I'm with many of you fans of this series: watching one time is not enough.There is always something new and fascinating to be gotten from these episodes, and the production values are marvelously high--definitely appropriate to the quality of the works. Philip and Fiona are just great as the explicators. Thank you for such a fine series.
This series is so hugely compelling! I cannot see it in one go, but rather dedicate to each segment my full attention. I learn so much every time, the first one of "The seven suspects" was such a who-done-it! Like a good Agatha Christie novel. Love, love, love this series.
What this series has taught me: if you make art, annotate your work. Comment on every sketch, every crappy practice session, every experiment, at every stage of your development. It would piss my ghost off to no end if I achieved some measure of success and someone came along after my death and said of one of my studies or experiments, “nah, that’s not hers.”
As an oil painter myself, I agree that the #4 Sisley painting was probably a forgery. I questioned the differences in the skies on the two same scene paintings.
Story #2- Following up, the gallery that the couple used to sell the painting is complaining that the show devalued the artwork which they believe was solely by Nicholson. The show didn't devalue it. The experts did. Story #4- So what were their reasons for rejecting it again even though the evidence was so compelling? Again it sounds like saving face on the committee's part. And Philip, just because the committee says it wasn't doesn't mean you have to completely jump on the wagon.
Found a May 2024 update at British Art Fair, under "An unsolved mystery in Cornwall". Apparently attribution has been disputed once again by an anonymous Ben Nicholson Catalogue Raisonné committee to which none of the three experts featured on FOF belong. The work was about to go to auction at Penzance Lay's Auctioneers for £40-80,000 but was withdrawn pending further investigation.
I think for the Sisley, the issue was that the painting shows no progress of time compared to the sketch. Impressionists enjoyed painting the same scenes over and over to express the change in the scene, affected by nature. However the two art pieces show an almost identical scene. And the fact that the lack of color one being the more detailed version makes little sense as well. Im not saying the committee was right, but the progress between the two art piece makes little sense when thinking in terms of impressionist ideology.
Sisley ~ The committee knows it's authentic they just don't want egg on their faces. The arrogance of the art world is staggering and seems quite dictatorial.
the final verdict failed to elaborate why the decision was stayed. one cant help but consider the politics at play in these high art associations and if there was other reasons why they refused to change this ruling. perhaps someone has a "complete collection" and doesnt want a missing piece to be found, etc, etc. theres many reasons this could be the case. The lack of reason for their final decison makes me skeptical.
So supposedly then, the Sisley “forgery” was done using the same materials, underpainting and subject matter that is concurrent with genuine Sisley works and was completed sometime within the 30 years after his death making sure not to use any “modern” paints…..that the panel somehow cracked and was cradled in that same period of 30 years time and all of this “forgery” effort was meant to portray a work by an artist who was not yet so well known by the time it was authenticated in Germany? I find it more likely that the Sisley committee just didn’t want to admit they were wrong the first time because they had not completed the forensic research and were looking at an uncleaned painting presented by eager Americans (Mon Dieu!) The secretiveness of the “committee” reeks of snobbery and self-protection. You are correct, this painting is a reflection of the dark side of the art world and I’m NOT speaking about forgeries.
The church lady, if given her way, would get rid of everything she didn't like. Forget the history importance of the item. 'No one looks at it, they won't miss it'...wow! Maybe with some history there would be more interest.
25:18 he calls the painting a “ super painting”. What is that? I don’t think he’s just saying it’s a great painting and a degree in Art History never mentioned “super” paintings?
i guess i just don't understand art at all -- Philip goes into pure rhapsody when describing the sketch but it has NO Value if found to be by someone other than Modogliani it????? We didn't pay the man while he was alive but whoever sells his stuff today is making the profit,,.... NOT THE ARTIST, whoever in the world sketched it! something's definitely upside down about that!
Grabbed my blanket, my dog and leftover pizza. 4 hour marathon!
Grabbing my glass of wine
It makes you want to have amazing art. But you gotta love the 4 hour marathon
Blanket, cat, a box of chocolate & hot coffee on tap... and a 4-hour marathon.
I'm with you, Cheers from Canada ☕
This show is the best❤
You giving that dog a Dutch oven?
One of the Greatest series of All Time, absolutely Magically Magnificent.
That verdict from the Sisley committee was insane
I'm with many of you fans of this series: watching one time is not enough.There is always something new and fascinating to be gotten from these episodes, and the production values are marvelously high--definitely appropriate to the quality of the works. Philip and Fiona are just great as the explicators. Thank you for such a fine series.
This series is so hugely compelling! I cannot see it in one go, but rather dedicate to each segment my full attention. I learn so much every time, the first one of "The seven suspects" was such a who-done-it! Like a good Agatha Christie novel. Love, love, love this series.
Love this show. Wish they still continued
They are still continuing. 4 new episodes out so far in 2024.
Where can i find it @@sirrathersplendid4825
Babe wakeup... more art history just dropped!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
What this series has taught me: if you make art, annotate your work. Comment on every sketch, every crappy practice session, every experiment, at every stage of your development. It would piss my ghost off to no end if I achieved some measure of success and someone came along after my death and said of one of my studies or experiments, “nah, that’s not hers.”
As an oil painter myself, I agree that the #4 Sisley painting was probably a forgery. I questioned the differences in the skies on the two same scene paintings.
So glad I found this series. Absolutely fascinating and so enjoyable to watch such a well-documented and incredibly satisfying show.
YAY!! I absolutely love this series!! And Fiona & Philip are perfect hosts for it!
Thank you very much..
I watch your videos with great pleasure..💖
Best series ever! Thanks so much for making more of these..
Excellent! Love this stuff. I’m starting late, so saved in case I go 😴
Story #2- Following up, the gallery that the couple used to sell the painting is complaining that the show devalued the artwork which they believe was solely by Nicholson. The show didn't devalue it. The experts did.
Story #4- So what were their reasons for rejecting it again even though the evidence was so compelling? Again it sounds like saving face on the committee's part. And Philip, just because the committee says it wasn't doesn't mean you have to completely jump on the wagon.
A got to see a massive show of the Flemish greats when I was in Köln years ago. It changed my life.
CAPTIVATING!!
The SISLEY would have been authenticated if the owners were French or at least English. The evidence was overwhelming. Great job 👏!!!
anyone know if the Ben wall painting sold?
Found a May 2024 update at British Art Fair, under "An unsolved mystery in Cornwall". Apparently attribution has been disputed once again by an anonymous Ben Nicholson Catalogue Raisonné committee to which none of the three experts featured on FOF belong. The work was about to go to auction at Penzance Lay's Auctioneers for £40-80,000 but was withdrawn pending further investigation.
I think for the Sisley, the issue was that the painting shows no progress of time compared to the sketch. Impressionists enjoyed painting the same scenes over and over to express the change in the scene, affected by nature. However the two art pieces show an almost identical scene. And the fact that the lack of color one being the more detailed version makes little sense as well.
Im not saying the committee was right, but the progress between the two art piece makes little sense when thinking in terms of impressionist ideology.
Sisley ~ The committee knows it's authentic they just don't want egg on their faces. The arrogance of the art world is staggering and seems quite dictatorial.
the final verdict failed to elaborate why the decision was stayed.
one cant help but consider the politics at play in these high art associations and if there was other reasons why they refused to change this ruling.
perhaps someone has a "complete collection" and doesnt want a missing piece to be found, etc, etc. theres many reasons this could be the case. The lack of reason for their final decison makes me skeptical.
So supposedly then, the Sisley “forgery” was done using the same materials, underpainting and subject matter that is concurrent with genuine Sisley works and was completed sometime within the 30 years after his death making sure not to use any “modern” paints…..that the panel somehow cracked and was cradled in that same period of 30 years time and all of this “forgery” effort was meant to portray a work by an artist who was not yet so well known by the time it was authenticated in Germany? I find it more likely that the Sisley committee just didn’t want to admit they were wrong the first time because they had not completed the forensic research and were looking at an uncleaned painting presented by eager Americans (Mon Dieu!) The secretiveness of the “committee” reeks of snobbery and self-protection. You are correct, this painting is a reflection of the dark side of the art world and I’m NOT speaking about forgeries.
You don’t get it, Kevin. Luigi doesn’t care if it’s wrong by your standards. It’s right by his. What this CEO and others have done is murder.
It is the green that is the clue.
How so please?
The church lady, if given her way, would get rid of everything she didn't like. Forget the history importance of the item. 'No one looks at it, they won't miss it'...wow! Maybe with some history there would be more interest.
25:18 he calls the painting a “ super painting”. What is that? I don’t think he’s just saying it’s a great painting and a degree in Art History never mentioned “super” paintings?
old shows:(
It is from manniarism
I beg your pardon! 3 hours and 53 minuttes, NOT 4 hours!
i guess i just don't understand art at all -- Philip goes into pure rhapsody when describing the sketch but it has NO Value if found to be by someone other than Modogliani it????? We didn't pay the man while he was alive but whoever sells his stuff today is making the profit,,.... NOT THE ARTIST, whoever in the world sketched it! something's definitely upside down about that!
Amazing this fart world.
Those old paintings are so very ugly .