watching this nearly a decade later because my friends and I are gonna play CoH soon and I need a Brit strat :) Thanks for sharing, and hope you're well!
@rabadooda this doesn't always work. 1) one recon section can be easily drawn out from the +10/16 territory and you'll have nothing else because your HQ is moving;2) lieutenant can be easily killed even by pioneers;3) see 1);4) StuH42 kills the PIAT squad in 2-3 shots. Also no decent player will let u build Bofors without pressure;5) if enemy keeps pressuring your base, you proly won't have res to buy cromwells/commandos;6) when your base finally succumbs, you won't have anything to hold VPs.
Since the captain is pretty close to the battlefield why don't you make the squads at the base retreat to Cpt so they can get to the front faster than just walking there.
lol if he used only one mortar team you would have been doomed... but what really surprised me the most was that you only built 1 deference building and 2 trenches... which opposes the brits' strategy of -rush -fortify -regroup -attack... due to the lack of unit specialty...
HELPFUL REPLY... I can answer 2 and 3 2) a control group is when you draw a box over units then press CTRL 1 to assign them to group 1. Then when you press 1 it will auto select that group. I suspect this is how question one was accomplished. 3) when moving a tank for example if you hold right click you can choose which direction the tank will face as denoted by the arrow.
When the pioneers weren't shooting,the house didn't have windows facing towards your Infantry Sections in the trench. So they were unable to shoot lol.
I tried clicking on "Continue" when the match was over. Strategy works well btw, but i usually build 2 recon squads max, and upgrade secure recoursing which helps alot for the "button" and sniper abilities.
Placing your base closer to the front line makes it easier to hold as you can get forces faster to the front line and it gives some defensive bonuses, some may say that then the foe can just kill it off, but it is actually quite hard to kill and if you would to loose all your forces you would loose the game anyways and if the enemy were to focus down the base then he would obviously loose the fight. It's gives you better defense in any case.
I don't mean that, I don't use artillery in 1v1/2v2, I try to use strategy smilar to yours seen in this video, i just seem to lose all the time, either get outnumbered, or get overweaponed by something BIG... and have absolutley no idea what could I change in my strategy...
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong playing as British or what but it seems like every time I do 1v1s i get my shit wrecked by 1 tank and alot of infantry spam. They load all there guys up with rocket launchers then get a panzer or some thing like that and just destroy me. I don't know how to prevent infantry spam because it seems like everyone I've played so far is doing that. Please help
You know what hurts me more than wasting your time on recon sections? Not using control groups and building strong defenses. Brits have the broken early game advantage of building as many artillery pieces as possible in the early game once they hit tier 2. And I disagree with you saying Brits not needing fuel because it's what's needed to level down the opponent's base to nothingness, and oh, tanks too. Edit: your opponent is n00b WTF bro?!
i think you and i are infantry minded commanders. in assault i always use first infantry and the armored force are for the suppoert of my infantry only stay back then assisting my assault force.
I hate to be a noob, but ive played the Tutorial 10 times over and over.. How do you make Infantry go from 1 Cap point to the next without having to reorder them to go to the next capture point you want?
3 cromwells will beat a panther if u know how to micro manage and use flank spead properly, and the firefly will really do some dmg while out of range of the panther. brit tanks are only weak if u dont use them properly and just attack head on.
Thanks so much for sharing your strategy. My question is why bunker mortars are not so good I feal they can be good in beginning of the game, or for example in your game you could build one in middle since you capture and secure it well? What you think is it good or not, because Wermacht has good tactics against it fire, etc...
This is a beginner coh play, even more so from a wehrmacht player. Chosing assault grenadiers ability first would have helped a lot against trenches. Why no mortar/sniper combo? No schrecks on grenadiers... If you use flamers you gotta use a couple of them at once, and preferably vet them... Well. Brits are fairly easy to counter with werhmacht... ))) Especially if you are able to make 2-3 snipers and KEEP them, as brits are costly to reinforce (like PE grens). -------- As for the british player: Mistakes were made too. SO much infantry is unnecessary... Max 2-3 squads and 1 piat (or two if you see him popping out tanks as mad) = so like 4 alltogether... CCS IS A MUST!! To heal your guys. Personally I like to go fast cromwells, and spam them. Them I like to rush his base and destroy his buildings and/or bunkers OFCOURSE a good flank is necessary to surprise him and kill as much as possible, so you have to distract him by fighting with your soldiers SO during one of his engagements you simultaniously attack his base, uyou have to be prepared and sneaky. ---------- --------------------- It doesn't matter what faction you're playing, in this game it's all about the control of sectors and cutting the other guy off the resources. Harassment and sneakiness. Suprise attacks. AND you got to be able to drain his manpower more then he is draining yours. Who's better at this will win the game!!
I guess if you find a way to flank the AT guns then you could use the Stuart's shotgun something. The Firefly actually is great. Unfortunately, it's armor is too thin so you could partner it with a Churchill since those have good armor. You could use the Churchill as the main attack then the Firefly could attack from behind. And by the way, how do you get a Cromwell tank?
Dude, you're really good with Brits. I only use brits in 3v3 (4v4) cause I just support artillery, I always lose in 1v1/2v2... But I'm sure about on thing: You just got a new subscriber :D
Hi cmasupra, Thanks for the tip. I enjoy playing the Brits and I'm learning new things all the time. Wouldn't you agree though that this strategy of yours will require an extraordinary amount of micro-management of your infantries and near-masterful use of your PIATs? Wouldn't you agree as well that even if you don't need all those fuel points, you should take them anyway, just to prevent your opponent from taking them?
for me brits need fuel early in the game for the preparation of thier anti tank and armored assault force. but i always balance my logistic tactis for the needs of my infantry in defense and especially for offense!
very nice video mate, I was wondering if you could answered some questions I have. I use a similar tactic to this but i have problems with it. 1) Snipers, what would you say is best to deal with them? 2) Being rushed early in the game which I could not stop because he had two mg42's one covering my base and the other covering the first, how would you stop this? 3) when is it right to use emplacements as brits, which emplacements and in which situations? If any one has ideas pls just say :)
Hi, so i Tried this strategy on my friend who plays vermacht/panzer elite. He just spamms pioneers/panzergrenadiers and my recon squads are helpless. How to i handle that?
Good game but your opponent makes to many mistakes. If i've got cut off at this point i'd switch to the right side of the map. OP the munition south and get some schreck upgrades - this helps a lot against stuart and give you the opportunity to throw grenades or get some flamer pio or to spam mines. Trying to get a well covered point over and over again will always fail. Heavy cover on one point means low cover on other positions. That's when this strat fails against high level player...
My strat: Slap a grenade on everything Infantry: Grenades Sappers: Piat launchers Max lieutenants and artillery command section Bombard them with all your explosions KABOOM
the brits arent really that op at all. their infantry is easily countered with flamers (they take more flame dmg than any others). their emplacements can be killed easily with arty and nebs etc and their tanks are no better than axis vehicles. also their command trucks can be killed easier than base buildings. EVERY faction has strengths and weaknesses u just have to find out what they are and u win
I have the same problem. And I don't have a clue on how to cost-effectively defeat Pumas. They rape inf + stuarts and can damage a cromwell pretty bad as well, considering their low cost. I don't really feel the firefly is that great, and it isn't available when Pumas first hit the field. Plus I don't know how to effectively take out PAK 38 AT guns. infantry even with brens take so god damn long time to kill the crew. Wish I had nades.
ok i realize this videos is for british strategy,but seriously you could have had the south east/south objection point captured...it just drives me crazy xD
2018.... this game is still better than rest of the rts( although coh 2 is better but... this game doesnt require you to have a high end pc to play)))))
quite cheap taktik to cut him off, and he could easily counter ur taktik with blitzkrieg grenades, snipers if he had a nice mikro so he can keep them out of range of u ablility and faster stugs.
about the sniping part having most of your section as recon is indeed unexpected since what i see from most brits are blobs but i dont think your sniping early game is gonna work with a pe player that also goes unexpected and uses scout cars excessively early game just sayin
no countering that is pretty easy motorcycle to spot infantry in trench use mg and snipers to pick them out if thats not a option use pio with flames in trucks use smoke from mortars of other way so that the acc of his units is down while flames arent affected ....smoke+flames/snipers+pak+camo/2-6 pumas as Harassment back and forth/ light fast armor is a very big problem for a slow non flexible army such as a brits...
If the opponent is able to spend that many resources, the British player isn't doing a good job using the sniper ability to dwindle the opponent's resources. Remember, when using this strategy, you're trying to cripple your opponent's Manpower in the early game so that he is far behind in terms of units and resources in the mid-late game.
You actually shouldn't. Instead, you should cut him off from any fuel points he owns and push him into his base. That way you prevent him from getting fuel without wasting time capping the fuel points yourself.
i know it gets cutoff a little bit later in the game but if he hadnt but barb wire around it, it wouldnt have been a lost an extra tank can always help
Your opponent didn't really know how to counter you. Also at the beginning he could have been cleared your trench out multiple times.. Some micro issues. :/
ImpThePimp Company of Heroes comes with Americans and Wehrmacht. Opposing Fronts comes with British and Panzer Elite. Tales of Valor comes with all 4 factions and the additional units you can use to replace a couple standard units in each faction if you want.
but our differences is you is defensive minded and when you attacking enemy you always facing the most powerful position of enemy but me im a offensive commander always flanking the enemy weakest point hurting them again and again until i reach my goal specially when i set up my intelligence and defense from royal commandos support and spreading terror in enemy territoy resulting a psywar, deception and destroying the will of enemy to fight!
the Brits are the most difficult faction by a mile - you can't just spew out cannon fodder. You have to think -a lot like the real deal of the time. To those who made comments about his way of speaking and then inferred his sexuality from that, who cares? Don't think about that, see if you're bright enough to play with them. history tells you you should be, if you can't, well, thank god you weren't about when it actually mattered.
![[COH] #28 - 2vs2 - IronRoman (PE) + Ambivalence (PE) vs neubine (Brit) + ntd (US)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/12hdXNBGbjQ/mqdefault.jpg)
watching this nearly a decade later because my friends and I are gonna play CoH soon and I need a Brit strat :) Thanks for sharing, and hope you're well!
Hey, do you play yet?
@@nikolasgalocego8826CoH1 is better than coh3, nothing can beat the COH1
Im a 45 yr old math teacher learning to play this chess game...well played. I would love to have u in my math class. Congrats :)
chess game ? rofl
Awesome mate! Are you still teaching math & playing / learning RTS games? I bet you'd do well with your analytical mind. Best wishes my friend :)
@@ramezmessaoudi4910 Yep, if you've ever played chess, you'd know it's a game of attack and counter, scissor-paper-rock.
The sniper ability of the Infantry Sections IS quite nice.
and OP too
TheStalenin
but easily countered with a german sniper. he can kite them because of his awesome range.
lookslikeEzio God, I love this fucking game. Just absolutely love it. I didn't think COH 2 was so great though.
BiscuitHead Look at the DLC ITS SO COOL why not buy some by looking at this catchy tune
allen payad I already own all the DLC, and my opinion is still what it is.
@rabadooda this doesn't always work. 1) one recon section can be easily drawn out from the +10/16 territory and you'll have nothing else because your HQ is moving;2) lieutenant can be easily killed even by pioneers;3) see 1);4) StuH42 kills the PIAT squad in 2-3 shots. Also no decent player will let u build Bofors without pressure;5) if enemy keeps pressuring your base, you proly won't have res to buy cromwells/commandos;6) when your base finally succumbs, you won't have anything to hold VPs.
Since the captain is pretty close to the battlefield why don't you make the squads at the base retreat to Cpt so they can get to the front faster than just walking there.
lol if he used only one mortar team you would have been doomed...
but what really surprised me the most was that you only built 1 deference building and 2 trenches... which opposes the brits' strategy of -rush -fortify -regroup -attack... due to the lack of unit specialty...
HELPFUL REPLY... I can answer 2 and 3 2) a control group is when you draw a box over units then press CTRL 1 to assign them to group 1. Then when you press 1 it will auto select that group. I suspect this is how question one was accomplished. 3) when moving a tank for example if you hold right click you can choose which direction the tank will face as denoted by the arrow.
When the pioneers weren't shooting,the house didn't have windows facing towards your Infantry Sections in the trench. So they were unable to shoot lol.
In my opinion,Company of Heroes is more bettern CoH2.
+NiNo The Prince it is no dame monny grabs for everything
I still not played the CoH2 soo i dont what's the better but CoH is awesome xD
I tried clicking on "Continue" when the match was over.
Strategy works well btw, but i usually build 2 recon squads max, and upgrade secure recoursing which helps alot for the "button" and sniper abilities.
When asked for the rematch he merely says "Nah".
11:25 you do need your lieutenant at the front lines to accumulate and apply veterancy to offensive operations.
oh and plant demos around your trenches then detonate them but you screwed if they throw a grenade
you're right about that because two sections of infantry with bren will earn the marder,gracias por responderme en español
Placing your base closer to the front line makes it easier to hold as you can get forces faster to the front line and it gives some defensive bonuses, some may say that then the foe can just kill it off, but it is actually quite hard to kill and if you would to loose all your forces you would loose the game anyways and if the enemy were to focus down the base then he would obviously loose the fight. It's gives you better defense in any case.
I don't mean that, I don't use artillery in 1v1/2v2, I try to use strategy smilar to yours seen in this video, i just seem to lose all the time, either get outnumbered, or get overweaponed by something BIG... and have absolutley no idea what could I change in my strategy...
I don't play coh anymore but i remember that in all games u need to use thoose medics tents there are useful
Im thinking this would only really work as well as it did on this map, just because the bottle neck is so horrible.
Hello, can you post a video playing as British on Angoville against Wehr, annihilate? Or do you have one posted already?
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong playing as British or what but it seems like every time I do 1v1s i get my shit wrecked by 1 tank and alot of infantry spam. They load all there guys up with rocket launchers then get a panzer or some thing like that and just destroy me. I don't know how to prevent infantry spam because it seems like everyone I've played so far is doing that. Please help
You know what hurts me more than wasting your time on recon sections? Not using control groups and building strong defenses. Brits have the broken early game advantage of building as many artillery pieces as possible in the early game once they hit tier 2. And I disagree with you saying Brits not needing fuel because it's what's needed to level down the opponent's base to nothingness, and oh, tanks too.
Edit: your opponent is n00b WTF bro?!
Tigers and king tigers aren't acquired in 10 minutes.
i think you and i are infantry minded commanders. in assault i always use first infantry and the armored force are for the suppoert of my infantry only stay back then assisting my assault force.
I hate to be a noob, but ive played the Tutorial 10 times over and over.. How do you make Infantry go from 1 Cap point to the next without having to reorder them to go to the next capture point you want?
why dident you build a turrent by all the bridges?
couldn't agree more ! though i like a stuart against early PE
3 cromwells will beat a panther if u know how to micro manage and use flank spead properly, and the firefly will really do some dmg while out of range of the panther. brit tanks are only weak if u dont use them properly and just attack head on.
You give him trench ? Verry big misstake. Why you didnt destroy it with "double delete"
how to i counter the early flamethrower falh tracks he uses to kill my infantery
I still play it. I'm not sure who else you're talking about.
do u have anymore stradegy guides this one came really useful
Thanks so much for sharing your strategy. My question is why bunker mortars are not so good I feal they can be good in beginning of the game, or for example in your game you could build one in middle since you capture and secure it well? What you think is it good or not, because Wermacht has good tactics against it fire, etc...
This is a beginner coh play, even more so from a wehrmacht player.
Chosing assault grenadiers ability first would have helped a lot against trenches.
Why no mortar/sniper combo?
No schrecks on grenadiers...
If you use flamers you gotta use a couple of them at once, and preferably vet them...
Well. Brits are fairly easy to counter with werhmacht... ))) Especially if you are able to make 2-3 snipers and KEEP them, as brits are costly to reinforce (like PE grens).
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As for the british player:
Mistakes were made too.
SO much infantry is unnecessary... Max 2-3 squads and 1 piat (or two if you see him popping out tanks as mad) = so like 4 alltogether... CCS IS A MUST!! To heal your guys.
Personally I like to go fast cromwells, and spam them. Them I like to rush his base and destroy his buildings and/or bunkers OFCOURSE a good flank is necessary to surprise him and kill as much as possible, so you have to distract him by fighting with your soldiers SO during one of his engagements you simultaniously attack his base, uyou have to be prepared and sneaky.
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It doesn't matter what faction you're playing, in this game it's all about the control of sectors and cutting the other guy off the resources. Harassment and sneakiness. Suprise attacks.
AND you got to be able to drain his manpower more then he is draining yours. Who's better at this will win the game!!
how do u do that thing when u tell them to do something and to do something after it????
i bought the new steam version which comes with the older one and people i know have gotten the british without buying tales of valor
and how do i counter the walking stutka or wtf it's called /rockets
I guess if you find a way to flank the AT guns then you could use the Stuart's shotgun something. The Firefly actually is great. Unfortunately, it's armor is too thin so you could partner it with a Churchill since those have good armor. You could use the Churchill as the main attack then the Firefly could attack from behind. And by the way, how do you get a Cromwell tank?
Your enemy is total noob. A good wehr player would have crushed you.
By the way brit is my favourite faction.
@cmasupra i know i am annoying as HELL but it says: failed downloading the patch try again later..................... what i do? -.-
Dude, you're really good with Brits. I only use brits in 3v3 (4v4) cause I just support artillery, I always lose in 1v1/2v2... But I'm sure about on thing: You just got a new subscriber :D
Any tutorial how to download this game for free? Because all I have in this COH is the American and German version,
@ cmasupra what CoH v is this? or mode? and how can i play it online like, with u? :)
Hi cmasupra, Thanks for the tip. I enjoy playing the Brits and I'm learning new things all the time. Wouldn't you agree though that this strategy of yours will require an extraordinary amount of micro-management of your infantries and near-masterful use of your PIATs? Wouldn't you agree as well that even if you don't need all those fuel points, you should take them anyway, just to prevent your opponent from taking them?
for me brits need fuel early in the game for the preparation of thier anti tank and armored assault force. but i always balance my logistic tactis for the needs of my infantry in defense and especially for offense!
very nice video mate, I was wondering if you could answered some questions I have. I use a similar tactic to this but i have problems with it. 1) Snipers, what would you say is best to deal with them? 2) Being rushed early in the game which I could not stop because he had two mg42's one covering my base and the other covering the first, how would you stop this? 3) when is it right to use emplacements as brits, which emplacements and in which situations? If any one has ideas pls just say :)
Good game, but you should have had your second truck on a muni point instead of in your base territory.
Great Tutorial! Liked Do you have any more of the other factions?
lets play sometime. i'd love to learn
my british strategy, FIREFLY SPAM!!!!
are u using engineers, commandos or artillery?
I meant command abilities, but as I saw when actually watching the entire video, you just waited until you needed them.^^
what version of the game is this? if you remember?
Hi, so i Tried this strategy on my friend who plays vermacht/panzer elite. He just spamms pioneers/panzergrenadiers and my recon squads are helpless. How to i handle that?
so basically you just spam sniper?
Cant really use the Brits due to their infantry being to expensive, Any suggestions?
Good game but your opponent makes to many mistakes. If i've got cut off at this point i'd switch to the right side of the map. OP the munition south and get some schreck upgrades - this helps a lot against stuart and give you the opportunity to throw grenades or get some flamer pio or to spam mines. Trying to get a well covered point over and over again will always fail. Heavy cover on one point means low cover on other positions. That's when this strat fails against high level player...
No doc?
The Brits sound cool. They're all about style. So cool. Style (and ammunitions).
maybe hes not using the other bridge because he cant get effective tanks over
E.g Stugs,Panzers
dude what are you computer spec the game runs so good on what looks like highest settings
My strat:
Slap a grenade on everything
Infantry: Grenades
Sappers: Piat launchers
Max lieutenants and artillery command section
Bombard them with all your explosions KABOOM
Im not too crazy about your help use of recon snipes, that's a lot of munitions for one man.
Thanks dude i just got the game yesterday, so this is a great help!
this strategy got me to level 23 with the brits thanks a lot
the brits arent really that op at all. their infantry is easily countered with flamers (they take more flame dmg than any others). their emplacements can be killed easily with arty and nebs etc and their tanks are no better than axis vehicles. also their command trucks can be killed easier than base buildings. EVERY faction has strengths and weaknesses u just have to find out what they are and u win
wich game is this TAles of valor or exposing front's
I have the same problem. And I don't have a clue on how to cost-effectively defeat Pumas. They rape inf + stuarts and can damage a cromwell pretty bad as well, considering their low cost. I don't really feel the firefly is that great, and it isn't available when Pumas first hit the field.
Plus I don't know how to effectively take out PAK 38 AT guns. infantry even with brens take so god damn long time to kill the crew. Wish I had nades.
ok i realize this videos is for british strategy,but seriously you could have had the south east/south objection point captured...it just drives me crazy xD
Awesome commentary, really interesting!
2018.... this game is still better than rest of the rts( although coh 2 is better but... this game doesnt require you to have a high end pc to play)))))
coh 2 is trash man
quite cheap taktik to cut him off, and he could easily counter ur taktik with blitzkrieg grenades, snipers if he had a nice mikro so he can keep them out of range of u ablility and faster stugs.
Why no globals?
I think I played with you recently (Killeroo).
what button to u press so u can give him orders .. the one after the other to follow ? pls answer !!!
Right-click the first place you want the squad to go, then hold down Shift, and then right-click the places you want them to go afterward.
+dimitrisre1 hold shift
Why u didnt make cromwells or 17 pounder? ps: very helpfull strategy :)
about the sniping part having most of your section as recon is indeed unexpected since what i see from most brits are blobs but i dont think your sniping early game is gonna work with a pe player that also goes unexpected and uses scout cars excessively early game just sayin
nice video, can't wait for coh2. after seeing some leaked coh2 gameplay, it seems that coh2 will be on par with coh1 if not better.
Very helpful strategy liked and subscribed.
no
countering that is pretty easy
motorcycle to spot infantry in trench use mg and snipers to pick them out
if thats not a option use pio with flames in trucks use smoke from mortars of other way so that the acc of his units is down while flames arent affected ....smoke+flames/snipers+pak+camo/2-6 pumas as Harassment back and forth/
light fast armor is a very big problem for a slow non flexible army such as a brits...
If the opponent is able to spend that many resources, the British player isn't doing a good job using the sniper ability to dwindle the opponent's resources. Remember, when using this strategy, you're trying to cripple your opponent's Manpower in the early game so that he is far behind in terms of units and resources in the mid-late game.
***** your right i presented the chooses you can make on the players preference and battlefield conditions .. you dont have to use all of them ...
thanks I will give that a try and thanks again for replying
sniper dies by tank
and brits are only really good for defense the 17 pounder takes out tigers in three shots
how do you make them follow ?
17 pounders and slit trenches all the way
Didn't the Wehrmachtplayer suck? can't say it looked like a difficult match
great vid man
Never mind
Cmasupra now you make me think that brit are so good at this game
You guys still play coh? Steam version??
nice quality! good job is a pleasure for my eyes
you should still cap the fuel so he cant get it
You actually shouldn't. Instead, you should cut him off from any fuel points he owns and push him into his base. That way you prevent him from getting fuel without wasting time capping the fuel points yourself.
i know it gets cutoff a little bit later in the game but if he hadnt but barb wire around it, it wouldnt have been a lost an extra tank can always help
Your opponent didn't really know how to counter you. Also at the beginning he could have been cleared your trench out multiple times.. Some micro issues. :/
Thank you very much.
really nice gameplay thanks
Guys please, how to heal comanders and leutnats?? :) thx
+Ondrej Palat Infantry section can build healing station in friendly territory that heals for 40 munitions everyone around it.
how many factions comes in the base game?
ImpThePimp Company of Heroes comes with Americans and Wehrmacht. Opposing Fronts comes with British and Panzer Elite. Tales of Valor comes with all 4 factions and the additional units you can use to replace a couple standard units in each faction if you want.
thank you very much
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but our differences is you is defensive minded and when you attacking enemy you always facing the most powerful position of enemy but me im a offensive commander always flanking the enemy weakest point hurting them again and again until i reach my goal specially when i set up my intelligence and defense from royal commandos support and spreading terror in enemy territoy resulting a psywar, deception and destroying the will of enemy to fight!
hi im from philippines my favorite faction in allies and COH is tommies and i master the brits
Well ive done this since i started coh... Im just the kind of skirmish commander...
Why players make squad retreat when enemy uses snipe ability.
Nazir Ahmed Because it’s cheaper to repair a squad than replace one.
the Brits are the most difficult faction by a mile - you can't just spew out cannon fodder. You have to think -a lot like the real deal of the time. To those who made comments about his way of speaking and then inferred his sexuality from that, who cares? Don't think about that, see if you're bright enough to play with them. history tells you you should be, if you can't, well, thank god you weren't about when it actually mattered.