Guy on our deer lease did the same with his brand new rifle that he had just wrapped with camo wrap. He found it a few weeks later while refilling his feeder.
You gotta get that specialty mud from the congo 149.99 a lb. Or if you want that gucci shit get that siberian tundra mud. Frozen for thousands of years so when it thaws its got that perfect sticky to creamy ratio that you cant replicate with the modern synthetic stuff.
I love this idea of “what story are you telling” because it’s universal to how we present ourselves 24/7. Do your street clothes invite unwanted attention, do your carry yourself with strength and confidence, do the stickers on your car telegraph information that really shouldn’t be on display.
The story I'm telling is that I am a free American who will wear whatever the F I want; who won't be peer pressured into wearing non-utilitarian dress clothing just to please the Matriarchy.
@@virtualcombat6425 :-) i could not explain it - but IMHO CCE really works better in breaking the human shape - maybe cause of those bigger spots ?! The bright areas ? Still looking for a 120 Liter Backpack Cover ..
@@easygroove I just think the colours more "mellow" and saturated tone on the CCE looks better than the more jaring tone of green juxtaposed against the dark brown on the m81. I also think your tance against the m81 dogma I've seen online is very brave, and for that I salute you.
1. You can make any camo look great OR useless by setting up a background. 2. Any camo that match your area will work. I live in Europe in climate similiar to Illinois/Ohio. Any woodland type camo works. 3. It's a skill not a fabric to be unseen. I mostly hear people (and they hear me) before i see them.
You overlook one important factor, one that's literally invisible to the naked eye. IR reflection. I've tried a few like Tekari truetimber, Splav DPM knockoff, and dark gray wrangler atg and they look white under night vision because of IR. Both "image intensifier" green kind and the more common black and white kind like Ring cameras and game cams. Some guy could have a cellular game cam in some woods near his house and you walk by at night in "performance" hunting gear and it looks like you're wearing a white painters suit. It's bad.
I keep a small camo veil in a jacket pocket instead of carrying camo face paint. It's hot as hell during the summer in Pennsylvania and I sweat a lot so paint doesn't last long when I apply it. I just drape it over myself if I'm stationary and it acts as a kill-flash so I don't have to buy an expensive cap from somebody like One Hundred Concepts. I can also remove it and use it as a small gear hide if I have to ditch equipment which is nice as well. Historically, veils saw a ton of use by German SS troops during WW2 and proved to be incredibly effective in stationary positions and emplacements.
@@chizorama yeah you think that's bad? Come to Florida lmao it's humid and hot AF year round and the mosquitoes are so thick they'll carry you away 🤣 not to mention all the animals here want to kill you like in Australia
@@chizorama yeah we honestly get pretty bad weather in both extremes. Not extremely bad winters (depending on the year in question), but still pretty bad winters and also very hot summers.
Utah is so hard to get the right Camo for. You can drive 50 miles and be in 5 different biomes. Desert, mountains, snow, forests, badlands, fields, ect
@OldNavajoTricks hey man, how many other states have been willing to go to war with the federal government with no other state backing them up? The Army was so scared of Mormons hiding in the mountains picking them off they called off their invasion.
Being backlit is also a camo killer. If you are facing your observer and your shadow is falling in front of you, you probably look like a solid human form. Another thing to look out for is the 2-D camo prints with 3-D camo imagery, where they'll have the pattern sewn into your garment upside-down, so that the shadow falls in the wrong direction.
I have bought all my current camo at the following: 1. Goodwill 2. other thirft stores 3. antigue malls 4. flea markets 5. yards sales 6. big box stores on clearance I think $25 was the most I ever spent on a piece and the best I have ever done was $2 on a gortex parka at a yard sale. Anyways have a couple of storage bins full of all kinds of stuff that occasionally gets used and a closet full of stuff that get worn on a regular basis because I live in rural Kentucky and we wear camo every where.
On my way to one to pick up some camo right now 😂 grew up playing paintball, and around hunters. Learned quick it doesnt have to be expensive or fancy to work 👍
In the Marine Corps infantry we're taught that the most important part of camo is emplementation, The 10 elements of camo'ing something is: 1. Shape 2. Shine 3. Shadow 4. Surface 5. Silhouette 6. Sound 7. Space 8. Color 9. Contrast 10. Movement
I feel like digital woodland as close to Marpat as possible is slept on a lot. In the hills of Appalachia you have more roofed forests making everything a few shades darker and any type of multicam starts to stand out with the lighter colors. For my area multicam is reserved for walking the fields and treelines because once you get in the woods even at midday everything looks like it's always 7-8pm. Also an added bonus, digital camo looks sick when it isn't UCP.
Yes. Marpat is the next uniform that I am looking for. I want the woodland, and the desert. I live in MS where the Delta and the hills meet. Woodland for the woods, and believe it or not, desert (maybe even that desert flectarn, not sure of its actual designation) works well in the Delta. There is a lot of gravel road and exposed dirt. If you are in between crop rows, you are on exposed dirt, and desert patterns work better than greens. Also fields don't always have live crops.
With the flektarn its cause it has this rusty red splashed in it that the marpat don't have and with all the pine and dead wood from where they logged us heavy over the years it just blends perfect
Was playing airsoft in florida with 4 friends all in marpat, 2 of us layed down in some knee high brush and the guys to our right had no idea where we went
The talk of silhouettes reminds me of having a ghilli suit as a kid. Me and my cousins played hide and seek and I went to the edge of the woods and I just slumped over in a strange shape next to a brushy stump. Eventually I was the last one left and I began calling people over. Within TEN FEET of me none of the five seekers saw me. Since then I’ve been a big fan ghilli suits and trust them pretty well
Despite later seeing a different kind of service...the eye-opener for me was maybe 20+ years ago playing airsoft. It was a great example of how practical or impractical camouflage could be. I remember, almost without fail two things stood out: boots and guns. All the kids were wearing any camo they could find...then running basic black boots and black AEGs, etc. You'd see boots and black rifles moving around in the woods. That experience stuck with me into the later days.
In an airsoft environment you know you are sorrounded by "guns" and the human brain is very capable of picking up and recongnizing shapes and even possible shapes (meaning repeating patterns). So anything looking like a gun will catch your attention. It will be even easier if they're black since that color creates harder contrast with its background. Yes, I'm a camo nerd and play airsoft LOL
Every deer I've ever taken, I've been in blue jeans and flannel. My grandfather told me the story of his first buck. He had just finished his shift at Westover AFB in Massachusetts and was still in his OD work uniform and was sporting a brand new bright red flannel coat and a furry trapper hat. He was sitting on a stump smoking a cigarette and the deer walked right past him. I've still got that deer's skull cap hanging on my wall.
For those who can't pay attention for more than 2 minutes, get multicam because Camo is made to hide you from animal eyes, whereas multicam is made to hide you from human eyes.
@josephjones1232 remember the old realtree commercial where they say look for hunter, see nothing and then 5 oeople start waving their arms. I'll keep the regular old-school bdus and my mossy oak. But I live in the mossy oaks and real trees. We'll not in them but surrounded by them. Does that make me in them?
As a person who grew up hunting and then spent 4 years in the Army, I can comfortably say most military people couldn't properly hunt turkeys with their level of camo.
Aye, maybe. But turkeyd don't have NODs nor drones, nor anything like that, nor any armament to shoot at you from hundreds or thousands of yards away.😅 Hunting turkeys is one thing. But fighting against humans? Now that's hunting.
@@johnathonmeadows72 best to you man. I have to imagine some turkeys are easier than others? Maybe I was chasing a dumb flock. When I am set up on their natural walking area I have better luck. I think they go in giant circles. I've seen them do that every day for years.
What pattern did people wear before the 20th century? 🤔 Camouflage is about knowing where to be more than what you're wearing. There's a guy who used to put out VHS tapes and showed how to become invisible without any magical camo pattern.
frogskin here , to save money , try this method , buy full brown , get multipoe camo covers such as guille or tarps , 3:44 frogskin for here is okay but better for tropical greens
A missing part of this video is where hunting camo isnt designed to function. A big one is range. Most hunting camo patters are 200 yards and in because thats distances animals will spook easier. Take a lot of the darker Mossy Oak patterns and at 300 yards plus the pattern blacks out turning you into a clearly defined shape. Second is materials. Actual modern military camo is designed to operate under IR light where as a lot of hunting camo can white out under IR light when observed through NODs.
I grew up deer hunting and duck hunting in South Louisiana with my grandfather. He always said that the best camo out there is called sitting still. And let me tell you, he never had problems killing a trophy buck or getting his limit of ducks and that was back in the 50s and 60s long before Treebark camo (the first hunting camo on the market) came out. To this day (I'm 51) I've used different patterns of both Realtree and Mossy oak and have had the same success.
This Video and The Video By Brent0331 Regarding The Military Application of Hunter Camouflage Are Indeed My Go To Videos on All Things Camouflage. Thanks For The Four-One-One.
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina : I Wouldn't Go To That Extraordinary Extreme But I Do Know What Works and What Doesn't. What Camouflage Patterns Work Best En La Republica de 🇦🇷 Adonde Usted Vive ? Me Gusta Saber Mismo.
@@MartyRodriguezOrthodoxWarrior Argentina is the 8th largest country in the world with all types of terrains possible. Thus our military has chosen to go the Multcam way which is a clever idea for armed forces but... this doesn't mean Multicam is the best choice for all of the country. If you visit my YT channel you will find several camotest videos where I try very different patterns and you will be surprised how they perform. Best Regards from Buenos Aires!
I've been on AD in the USAF for last 21 years which means I have now been issued 5 different camo patterns: BDUs, DCUs, ABUs, ACUs (not uniforms but gear like pouches and ponchos), and OCPs. I still have a few pieces of even the older stuff. For example, I still have BDU Gortex tops and bottoms. The old stuff is what I take hunting. The only 'hunting apparel' I wear is a cheap mesh mask I got on Amazon to cover my face and blaze orange during firearm season. 2 seasons ago, I shot a buck on opening season wearing that M81 Gortex. I couldn't get a firearms tag last season but I drew a tag to bow hunt a week in a state park. I was not in a free state last year and unfortunately, this was the best I could do. This place ended up being aweful for deer but I really tested how well old uniform items work for hunting and the answer is really well. I had several squirrels get within 10 yards and not see me. I had some non-game birds get pretty close. The funniest was on the 2nd to the last day, I was sitting on the edge of this clearing on the edge of the woodline where I saw 3 does the day before come out at dusk. About 200 yards behind me was normal park stuff like picnic tables but it wasn't a big deal because this whole wing of the park was closed for deer hunting. I was sitting on a little stool behind a small brush pile. Besides, a tree about 10 yards away from me, I was completely exposed on all angles except for looking at this woodline 50 yards in front of me. I was wearing old OCP blouse, pants, a boonie and the mesh mask all descented with Dead Down Wind. About an hour before dusk, 4 dogs suddenly appear and started playing in my shooting lane about 10-20 yards in front of me shortly followed by a woman in her 50s. They were near me for a good 2-3 minutes completely oblivious to my existence until the smallest dog went to sniff the brush pile I was behind. It was at that moment that I was busted. I definitely startled that poor woman. Lol. I had to explain to the woman at that time I was hunting and she isnt actually supposed to be there. TLDR; Military camo works just fine for hunting.
If I would have known how expensive surplus camo was gonna be, I wouldn't have changed oil, painted, and done other messy things in all of those BDUs over the years. I'm still looking for a pair of pristine M81 woodland pants that I never washed and only wore like twice. I kept a lot of stuff at my dad's storage room after a divorce, and I'm sure he took them. He doesn't think of himself as a thief, but I have come to realize that he is very much a thief.
Those Airsoft nerds are shockingly good at camo....they likely practice camo rather than talk to girls. If you go on an airsoft site, their camo kits are completely different than military type kits.
Bear in mind what colors your patterns will fade to. The whole reason we do this is for survivability/longevity, so we need to consider how our camp patterns will wear/fade over time, for when you can’t go get new sets. That is of course unless you can afford to buy a lifetime supply now. For example, multicam gets pretty dang bright tan when it fades.
I've noticed the FR variant of multicam doesn't fade as fast or as brightly as the standard uniforms. I kept a few pairs of the FR multicam trousers and they fit nicely in the alpine elk country i hunt in.
@@inkw4n-nd5iw might depend on the year they were made too, idk. I know my original FR Scorpions now look like straight up multicam arid, but I guess I never wore the Non-FR’s outside enough to really bleach/fade. Now I’m curious, I might lay a set out on the fence for a while and see what they look like in a couple months.
@@TUKByV1 that would be super cool to look into. I’ve got some grass stains and some clay/mud stains on some uniforms from a decade ago that still haven’t come out haha, actually a pretty good idea. I do know that was part of the fabric/color design theory for UCP’s, or at least that’s what some people who were way cooler than me told us. They stain very easily and will quickly start to mimic environments. Not sure if that was on purpose, but it was pretty true either way in my experience with them.
Sometimes the actual garment has certain features and they only make it in certain patterns. Pants and jackets with side zip ventilation is a big one. I spend ALOT of time in the woods with a pack throughout the year. Hiking some big hills WV PA type and being able to dump heat is a big deal as well as quick drying base layers. Getting dry fast when it's cold makes a difference if your spending days consecutively in the woods. I think the best camo for eastern woodland areas is a ghille cobra hood. Carcoujou makes a very nice one bit you pay the price. The actually pattern becomes less important with a solid ghille setup.
Being from southern AZ, I can think of several different biomes in the state where different camos could work. MARPAT out west near Yuma, MC Arid coming a bit closer east during the summer, MC in the lower mountains and around much of the southern part of the state, and M81 above 7500 or so. Even mixes of solid coyote browns, tans, FDE, OD green, and RG can work in a wide part of the state throughout much of the year. This was a good video, highly informative and gives me yet MORE to think about.
Honestly knowing how to walk in the woods and having just earth tone cloths on can get you most of the way there. A green top and kaki bottoms or vise versa (think game warden) can do very well and keeping you from sticking out. And a boonie cap and neck gator and you are pretty good.
i use british MTP. like multicam but more rugged, and cloth. But VERY comfy and works well in my area which is rolling hills and valleys and farmland with woods and caves mixed in.
I'm old enough to remember the only camo available was military surplus from WW2, Korea and Nam'. Mostly jungle stuff from Nam'. But what I did learn and still practice now in my 60's, is blending in by not moving, using existing foliage, being aware when someone or something is getting near. Loved this video !
I hunt with multicam bottoms on and hunting camo tops. The pants are just made better for what I want and made more consistent. The top is also what is seen more often where the bottoms are covered mostly by brush so even just kakis or any earth tone is generally fine.
11:17 you've addressed the issue with all the camo test videos on RUclips, that was spot on! On the other hand IMHO I believe you've missed a key that would help you blend almost everywhere: countershading (lighter bottoms and darker tops, just like animals).
If you are around trees, mossy oak and mossy oak vintage hoodies both work, year round, if you SIT STILL. Movement kills. Pants are often hidden, focus on tops.
Glad i waited til the end, almost the whole video i was thinking movement movement movement.. ive had people and animals walk right up on me and never saw me simply because I didn't move. People and animals both wont pickup on colors as much as they will movement so if your concealed well, DONT MOVE
Nothing is perfect, but ATACS patterns are really close. Lol, great video, and the netting is something folks don't understand how it can be utilized even while moving to become an inhuman shape while moving with the right posture and irregular movements.
DNC with a little accent of something like M81, Tiger Stripe, Flecktarn, or ATAX-FG actually works very surprisingly well in the southeastern US, mainly during spring/summer months
That's more or less the question I'm thinking of myself these days. But anyway, in the forrest I could have to "hide" sound is my first enemy. Whatever the color pattern or so, two steps on dry branches and everyone gets you. But thanks anyway for those userfull reflexions
I joined the Army before BDUs when we had only fatigues, field pants, and wool shirts in the winter. When BDUs came out we could only get one set at a time. I was in the infantry stationed in Germany, we were at the M60 machine gun range. And while waiting our turn to fire, and after, we waited in the wood line across the Tank trail from the range. I was looking over at a soldier in my unit wearing BDUs I could see him fine, then I saw a pair of black shiny boots sticking up out of the grass. I could barely make out the OD Green fatigue pants attached to the boots or the guy laid back against a tree only maybe four or five yards away from me. After that I wore my fatigues until they were no longer authorized a few years later. Our unit was authorized to wear what we called Baumholder Jackets that were custom made by our Battalion Taylor. Usually they were made from an old OD Green poncho or wet weather top, and a poncho liner or a wool blanket. Mine was made from a poncho and poncho liner with a hood and elastic waistband. It blended in well in the woods. If I cammied up with face paint, there were times you could nearly walk right on top of me before being spotted if then. At a distance it all blends in. So the pattern doesn’t matter much. Movement matters and so does skin color. A face will stick out like a beacon without cammy paint on. If I were hunting keen eyed animals. I may opt for hunter’s camouflage patterns. But for the sh*t hits the fan. I’ll go for my OD green field jacket and maybe some BDUs or whatever I can find. If it’s really serious perhaps I’ll make myself a ghillie suit.
Multicam tropic top and M81 bottom would be perfect around me. So would vietnam tiger strip bottoms and swedish m90 up top. In fact, any "dark" camo bottom and lighter green top would work really well. Here in Canada, we have a lot of boreal forests, which are almost neon green up high, so camos that are heavy with green work great up top, but there are lots of dark brown trunks, so darker camos work better for bottoms.
If you live in Utah Idaho or any other high desert state Kryptek (though a little pricey) works incredibly well for everything but winter. It’s also i bridge between hunting and military camo that can be scaled up or down for either purpose.
Kryptek is fashion camo that hasn't really survived any credible tests of effectiveness. It just looks like it might be good, and is priced to feel 'premium' without being expensive.
The old kryptek pattern has been discontinued I wanted to nab some Mandrake to put together a little kit to get into airsoft and found out they don't really make that original pattern anymore
I was hoping you guys would go into different camo signatures under night vision and how certain materials and even detergents have color intensifiers that light up under NODs. Most military camo is required to mitigate this, what most people don't realize is that the sweet accessory pouches they bought off ebay or amazon usually don't follow this standard nor do some name brand hunting camo. It's also a little complicated as well because green, live vegetation tends to illuminate under NODs and camo with a low NIR signature can stand out like dog balls if everything else is lit up, but works great in dead vegetation with low light signatures. Really you could probably do a whole video on camo under NODs just because of the amount of rabbit holes you can get sucked down. Awesome video though.
Im a bow hunter in the PNW... I run First Lite Spectre or what we call "hippy earth tones" and Ive never had an issue hiding from deer elk pronghorn or humans. A LOT (most) of camo effectiveness is understanding how not to walk or how to position yourself for better break-up of your silouette.
Something that has definitely occurred to me, that you kind of touched on in this with "what story are you telling" is what I think of as "plausible deniability" - there are ways to dress that allow you to blend in very well when you're hiding, which don't immediately make it obvious you're trying to blend in if someone just saw you out for a walk. Kind of like non-camo camo, like the natural coloured flannel plaids you mentioned. Depending on what's going on in the world and what scenario you're operating in, you may need to go full on military style camo and gear, or there may be scenarios where you need to be able to appear like a normal joe civilian, but also be able to "disappear" into the foliage wearing the same thing. Great video; you guys put out excellent content. Keep it up!
Funny thing about all the camo you look at creation and a white tail with its solid gray winter coat or brown summer coat can disappear after going just several yards in the woods. Maybe not so much in winter but I think a lot of us here have walked up on a deer not realizing it was there until it started running.
It’s important to consider what your target sees. For us and most animals, we’re excellent at detecting movement, especially lateral movement. Using terrain and vegetation to mask your movements is far more important than anything you’re wearing, there’s more layers to camouflage than clothing and face paint.
I really appreciate you talking about how what you wear tells a story, and how big a role movement plays. I think one of the best examples is these kids who show up to airsoft wearing a ghillie suit and end up being some of the most visible people on the field because they don’t sit still. The human brain knows bushes don’t get up and walk around. My dad always says about the same thing you did for hunting. Many a time he’s been out in jeans and a flannel and seen more deer than anyone simply because he knows how to sit still. My short advice to anyone reading is thus: spend time in the woods. Videos like this are fantastic but nothing will teach you like getting out there and experiencing some of this stuff, actually seeing how your buddy wearing jeans and a T-shirt can all but disappear because he stops moving, or how someone becomes practically invisible when you add camo to that.
Using a certain type of hunting camo is absolutely beneficial, like where I live using Mossy Oak Breakup absolutely turns you invisible in the woods, but once you leave the woods you're just a walking bush pile. I started using M81 because it stands out enough for my hunting partner to know where I am, but still enough to conceal me well enough for hunting deer.
@@JannyBesmircher that’s not too far. I feel like hearing dirty civ talk about communities we should have one for Canada considering how small our “prepper” community is or wtv you’d call us
@@Jeffplsgo Well, with our current government I'm weary about that. We would probably be called a right wing militia or some dumb crap 🤣. Theyre always looking for reasons to demonize the firearm community. Despite us having daily background checks and being screened by the RCMP before even getting our licenses.
For one "milsim" I did, there was a foot of snow on the ground as well as tons of grey/brown shrubbery and spruce trees. To this day its been the best camo I used. It was baggy clear white snow pants with marpat on top and OD Green PC with an OD Green helmet. the contrast between the white pants and the camo top broke up my silhouette like you wouldn't believe and the marpat with solid colors matched what was above the snow perfectly. My own teammates kept losing track of where I was 10 feet away
Buy the old pickle suit military pants and top, plus some cheap camo netting and scrim. Just drap stuff over your pickle suit and disappear. Different netting for different environs.
I’ve been preaching this for like 10 years! Real tree xtra is perfect for WA state. What the market needs, maybe you guys can produce it, is a reversible zipper hoodie that has real tree on one side and all black on the other. This way you can have instant urban or outdoor camo with you at all times.
1:46 Not sure if that statement applies nowadays. For instance, Russians and Ukrainians use multicam, and that forced them to put on different colored tape on their uniforms and that defeats the whole point of camouflage.
I hunted in the Eastern Cape region of South Africa for years, the best clothing I found for the job was South African Defense Force Nutria Browns or South African Police Pattern II...use the clothing that was designed around the area it was designed to operate in...that is all...
Honestly my best camo for my environment is a hard hat and safety vest with a pair of work gloves…. Throw in a clipboard and I’m both invisible but also have a surprising level of clearance to a lot of different places. (By that I mean you can kind of just access different areas by looking purposeful)
It's funny you say that. I've played around with "what if" scenarios regarding urban combat. My observation is that if you're trying to move discreetly through in urban environment in any kind of combat situation, literally dressing like everyone else or as a tradesman goes a long way to people ignoring you. The same applies to other environments: dress like what you see around you.
Multicam tropic is my favorite pattern hands down. I have had people drive by my within 10 yards on a sxs and never knew I was there. Plus it’s just the most appealing pattern for my eyes personally.
This can also apply in urban or otherwise human developed environments. A gray or similarly appropriate camo might help if you think your version of the end of the world calls for it but I'm also thinking of the all the days before then. Don't dress like a cowboy in a dense urban area, don't dress like a hipster in a very small town, don't dress like a stock broker in a very poor neighborhood. How you choose to groom yourself also factors in. Different hair and beard styles are more or less common in different places. Though I'm currently trying to see if I can catch ZZ Top so do as I say, not as I do.
Mixing camo is also great for areas with high contrast in color between the ground and the trees. Example, pine forest with snow, you could wear white pants and an m81 top.
Well for hunting I usualy have a green jacked and old BW trousers. I found out that most game wont mind how you are clothed as long as it looks like the natural surrounding color wise. The bigger thing is to brake up the shape of the human body, that is what I found out really helps. Particuar at the head and shoulder area.
I barely bother too much about hunting camo because I know full well being seen is the least of my worries. I worked on a whitetail deer ranch and learned a lot about deer. Including the fact they don't see the reds, yellows and oranges as they are they see them as muted greens and browns. Either way I worry about smell and sound over anything. A deers eyesight might not be great but its nose and hearing are fantastic and will give you away before they ever see you. But on the topic for the prairies the best camo I've found in the fall is Mossy Oak Shadowblades it mimics the look of tall grass and crops.
I remember an excellent example of "if they aren't actively looking for you, you're invisible" that happened about a year ago. my buddy and I were out turkey hunting and got skunked on another friends property and its about 10:00am or so now and were walking the mile or so back to the built out barn in the CA foothills where everyone will be hanging out wearing out our tan color pattered upland game camo. we step literally about 10 feet off the road to get some water and piss, and 3 cars full of our friends who were coming up to meet us (for the bon fire than night) drive past and we just kinda stood there and watched them go, and not a single person in 3 fully loaded cars saw us standing 10 feet away as they drove past because we weren't moving. It was pretty interesting tbh. they werent looking for us, so they didnt see us. mind you this is a dirt road and they were going like 10 mph so it was a relatively slow roll on by, not blazing at like 45 mph.
Worked as a park ranger and our uniforms were a khaki tan shirt with OD green pants. There were countless times when my colleagues were backdropped by grey rocks, on a beach, or in front of green brush and at a distance of at least 60-100m my eyes had such a hard time picking them out. This was when they were moving around without any attempt to avoid detection. At closer distances, I could perceive them but didn't notice them, if that makes sense... like my eyes decided to "skip" over and ignore them. This was especially true with the pants against a forest background. I think a lot can be said for solid color earth tones in our world of multicam and tiger stripes.
My hypothesis at 0:30 is there is a difference between military uniform "camo" that is mainly for IFF and with solid general concealment features vs camo for true concealment, real tree camo or sniper suits.
Good video. Nice to see someone actually break down civilian and military camo, and show the theory behind it. Would love to see the argument of mixing the camos (IE Hunting camo top w/ military bottom). Would also love to see the plausibility of ghillie suits, since people still go crazy for them.
Shape, Shine, Shadow, Silhouette, Spacing, sudden Movement, and surface/Texture. Sounds of your gear and movement should also be considered, but thats perhaps another class😂. Im sure there are more as things evolve/change in how the military teaches, but thinking about yourself and whats in front, beside, and behind you when trying to conceal yourself or your unit. Even route selection to a degree can be selected with this thought in mind. Especialy with drones and other optical equipment available now. Overhead cover and cammo is king. Stay hard to kill friends.
Old sea story for ya: the NWU Type 3's, which at the time were only used by SpecOps, EOD, SeaBees. In 2011 they got extended to certain Master at arms commands like mine: PRP Bangor Washington. The current version of thebtype 3's are not as good as 2011 but i digress. I was on the convoy route with my partner when out platoon commander came up to have a word with him. My pole gate was in a clearing of about 50 yards, until the forest began. And being western Washington, it was a mix of dark and light forestry, mostly dark. I WATCHED them walk away to just before the forest starts again. I looked away to scan my surroundings, and i looked back to where they were. When i tell you the Marine had disappeared, i mean it. The ONLY reason i knew they hadn't gone further into the flrest was because i could barely see his hands. I couldn't even see the movement of his arms, just his hands. The Sailor next to him in Type 3's was almost as camouflaged as he was, and the only reason I "see" him was because he happened to be standing in from of a dark patch of forest. Even then, i could barely make him out. It was mind blowing. And to think the USMC spent only 250k to develop one of the best camo patterns to grace this earth
Thank you for giving good information to people who are not informed I still have my ghille suit from the military and it's OCP with a boonie cap and netting you can be very creative if you make your own camo and you learn what works better over time me I love ocp, a-tac, dcu due to the light colors and patterns as I was taught go light n color because it's always easier to go darker on the ghille
So I’m from the northeast where we have distinct seasons so my choice of hunting attire changes throughout the year. When stuff is still green like right now, usually I’ll just wear olive drab. Old school mossy oak green leaf works well in green wooded areas, and so does m81. When everything is brown during the fall, old school bottomland is a good choice for me, but sometimes I just wear a brown/tan flannel coat and some coyote brown pants and I can have game come extremely close to me(I’ve had deer at roughly 15 feet away while sitting on a log wearing just that). For snowy woods my favorite is hands down old school trebark. But the cover around you is equally as important as what you wear, your latest greatest Camo clothes don’t do you any good standing out in the open.
I had a Camo jacket. Hung it in a tree, Never saw it again.
Bruh it’s crazy how that shit actually happens. I can’t even count how many times I lost some gloves, hats and jackets
Guy on our deer lease did the same with his brand new rifle that he had just wrapped with camo wrap.
He found it a few weeks later while refilling his feeder.
lol
They sale glow in the dark rope. You can sew it into the trim.
😂😂😂
I saw Predator, the best camo is mud
Some people actually believe mud masks your thermal signature.
You gotta get that specialty mud from the congo 149.99 a lb. Or if you want that gucci shit get that siberian tundra mud. Frozen for thousands of years so when it thaws its got that perfect sticky to creamy ratio that you cant replicate with the modern synthetic stuff.
@@Bigbossman12624our*
Mud can indeed hide you from thermal. It's been tested.
@@Bigbossman12624Funnily enough the Off Topic Podcast guys and Corridor Digital crew actually tested it. Surprisingly enough it worked.
I love this idea of “what story are you telling” because it’s universal to how we present ourselves 24/7. Do your street clothes invite unwanted attention, do your carry yourself with strength and confidence, do the stickers on your car telegraph information that really shouldn’t be on display.
This is why I wear a cowboy hat and poncho
@@flopus7 if that’s what it takes to blend in!
@@blakslee720 im trying to telegraph that I watch too many clint Eastwood movies
I carry concealed lol but everyone knows I'm packing. 😅 My Batman utility belt hard to hide under shirt. 😅
The story I'm telling is that I am a free American who will wear whatever the F I want; who won't be peer pressured into wearing non-utilitarian dress clothing just to please the Matriarchy.
Dirty Civilian: "There is no perfect camouflage."
M81 Woodland: "Am I a joke to you?"
French CCE > M81
@@easygroove based
@@virtualcombat6425 :-) i could not explain it - but IMHO CCE really works better in breaking the human shape - maybe cause of those bigger spots ?! The bright areas ?
Still looking for a 120 Liter Backpack Cover ..
@@easygroove I just think the colours more "mellow" and saturated tone on the CCE looks better than the more jaring tone of green juxtaposed against the dark brown on the m81.
I also think your tance against the m81 dogma I've seen online is very brave, and for that I salute you.
Alpenflage is literally a primitive predecessor to multicam. Do you have any idea the number of environments where it just works?
1. You can make any camo look great OR useless by setting up a background.
2. Any camo that match your area will work. I live in Europe in climate similiar to Illinois/Ohio. Any woodland type camo works.
3. It's a skill not a fabric to be unseen. I mostly hear people (and they hear me) before i see them.
You overlook one important factor, one that's literally invisible to the naked eye. IR reflection. I've tried a few like Tekari truetimber, Splav DPM knockoff, and dark gray wrangler atg and they look white under night vision because of IR. Both "image intensifier" green kind and the more common black and white kind like Ring cameras and game cams.
Some guy could have a cellular game cam in some woods near his house and you walk by at night in "performance" hunting gear and it looks like you're wearing a white painters suit. It's bad.
I keep a small camo veil in a jacket pocket instead of carrying camo face paint. It's hot as hell during the summer in Pennsylvania and I sweat a lot so paint doesn't last long when I apply it. I just drape it over myself if I'm stationary and it acts as a kill-flash so I don't have to buy an expensive cap from somebody like One Hundred Concepts. I can also remove it and use it as a small gear hide if I have to ditch equipment which is nice as well. Historically, veils saw a ton of use by German SS troops during WW2 and proved to be incredibly effective in stationary positions and emplacements.
Pennsylvania heat sucks bad.
i just run a hot weather balaclava 🤷
A lot of peole not from PA have no idea how humid PA gets. Not deep south humid, but it ain't too far from it in July & August, ugg...
@@chizorama yeah you think that's bad? Come to Florida lmao it's humid and hot AF year round and the mosquitoes are so thick they'll carry you away 🤣 not to mention all the animals here want to kill you like in Australia
@@chizorama yeah we honestly get pretty bad weather in both extremes. Not extremely bad winters (depending on the year in question), but still pretty bad winters and also very hot summers.
Utah is so hard to get the right Camo for. You can drive 50 miles and be in 5 different biomes. Desert, mountains, snow, forests, badlands, fields, ect
Dress as a charity collector.
😂
@OldNavajoTricks hey man, how many other states have been willing to go to war with the federal government with no other state backing them up? The Army was so scared of Mormons hiding in the mountains picking them off they called off their invasion.
@OldNavajoTricks everyone's gangster till the trees start singing church hymns.
White shirt, with khaki tie and pants
@@tylerbryanhead I was thinking more that people try NOT to see charity beggars lol.
Being backlit is also a camo killer. If you are facing your observer and your shadow is falling in front of you, you probably look like a solid human form. Another thing to look out for is the 2-D camo prints with 3-D camo imagery, where they'll have the pattern sewn into your garment upside-down, so that the shadow falls in the wrong direction.
I have bought all my current camo at the following:
1. Goodwill
2. other thirft stores
3. antigue malls
4. flea markets
5. yards sales
6. big box stores on clearance
I think $25 was the most I ever spent on a piece and the best I have ever done was $2 on a gortex parka at a yard sale.
Anyways have a couple of storage bins full of all kinds of stuff that occasionally gets used and a closet full of stuff that get worn on a regular basis because I live in rural Kentucky and we wear camo every where.
On my way to one to pick up some camo right now 😂 grew up playing paintball, and around hunters. Learned quick it doesnt have to be expensive or fancy to work 👍
In the Marine Corps infantry we're taught that the most important part of camo is emplementation,
The 10 elements of camo'ing something is:
1. Shape
2. Shine
3. Shadow
4. Surface
5. Silhouette
6. Sound
7. Space
8. Color
9. Contrast
10. Movement
Sssssssccm for short
@@warrenharrison9490Sounds like my front brakes on my bike. Time to rebuild the caliper...
You could remember all of that?!
@chiz😂orama
@@GiacomoRavioliin military they drill that into their memory
I feel like digital woodland as close to Marpat as possible is slept on a lot. In the hills of Appalachia you have more roofed forests making everything a few shades darker and any type of multicam starts to stand out with the lighter colors. For my area multicam is reserved for walking the fields and treelines because once you get in the woods even at midday everything looks like it's always 7-8pm. Also an added bonus, digital camo looks sick when it isn't UCP.
Yes. Marpat is the next uniform that I am looking for. I want the woodland, and the desert.
I live in MS where the Delta and the hills meet. Woodland for the woods, and believe it or not, desert (maybe even that desert flectarn, not sure of its actual designation) works well in the Delta. There is a lot of gravel road and exposed dirt. If you are in between crop rows, you are on exposed dirt, and desert patterns work better than greens. Also fields don't always have live crops.
I live on the Cumberland Plateau flektarn blends better than anything I've found marpat second best
Multicam (and even ACU 🤮 to an extent) can be greatly improved for Appalachia with a round or two of tannin dye.
With the flektarn its cause it has this rusty red splashed in it that the marpat don't have and with all the pine and dead wood from where they logged us heavy over the years it just blends perfect
Was playing airsoft in florida with 4 friends all in marpat, 2 of us layed down in some knee high brush and the guys to our right had no idea where we went
The talk of silhouettes reminds me of having a ghilli suit as a kid.
Me and my cousins played hide and seek and I went to the edge of the woods and I just slumped over in a strange shape next to a brushy stump.
Eventually I was the last one left and I began calling people over. Within TEN FEET of me none of the five seekers saw me. Since then I’ve been a big fan ghilli suits and trust them pretty well
Despite later seeing a different kind of service...the eye-opener for me was maybe 20+ years ago playing airsoft. It was a great example of how practical or impractical camouflage could be. I remember, almost without fail two things stood out: boots and guns. All the kids were wearing any camo they could find...then running basic black boots and black AEGs, etc. You'd see boots and black rifles moving around in the woods.
That experience stuck with me into the later days.
In an airsoft environment you know you are sorrounded by "guns" and the human brain is very capable of picking up and recongnizing shapes and even possible shapes (meaning repeating patterns). So anything looking like a gun will catch your attention. It will be even easier if they're black since that color creates harder contrast with its background. Yes, I'm a camo nerd and play airsoft LOL
I had an expensive hunter camp tripod out in the brush. It blended in so well I forgot it and never saw it again.
Nearly happened to me but I rigged up a joybuzzer to wind up over 2 hours then go off repeatedly using a little battery powered motor
I would almost argue jeans and a flannel have put more things in the ground than realtree. They didn't really use much camo back in the day 😂
Every deer I've ever taken, I've been in blue jeans and flannel. My grandfather told me the story of his first buck. He had just finished his shift at Westover AFB in Massachusetts and was still in his OD work uniform and was sporting a brand new bright red flannel coat and a furry trapper hat. He was sitting on a stump smoking a cigarette and the deer walked right past him. I've still got that deer's skull cap hanging on my wall.
The classic I do faded blues and earth color shirts
I’m always going to be an enjoyer of God’s Plaid, M81 Woodland.
The Lord’s Flannel
The Savior's Style
Christ’s Camo
The Messiah's Motif
Halleluja Fooled-ya's
I dig tiger stripe... im in ohio it works great in the summer, woodland works , Rodie is great in the fall ..
For those who can't pay attention for more than 2 minutes, get multicam because Camo is made to hide you from animal eyes, whereas multicam is made to hide you from human eyes.
Plus the NIR and SWIR factors.
This isn't entirely accurate. Most hunting camo works just as well for human eyes which is why Socom is using First Lite camo.
Which pattern from First Lite? @@josephjones1232
@josephjones1232 remember the old realtree commercial where they say look for hunter, see nothing and then 5 oeople start waving their arms. I'll keep the regular old-school bdus and my mossy oak. But I live in the mossy oaks and real trees. We'll not in them but surrounded by them. Does that make me in them?
Bro where have you been the past few months to sum things up for my ADHD ahh
As a person who grew up hunting and then spent 4 years in the Army, I can comfortably say most military people couldn't properly hunt turkeys with their level of camo.
Aye, maybe. But turkeyd don't have NODs nor drones, nor anything like that, nor any armament to shoot at you from hundreds or thousands of yards away.😅
Hunting turkeys is one thing. But fighting against humans? Now that's hunting.
I've hunted turkeys in blue jeans and a BDU top. Nothing else.
Nothing. Else.
Done the same with deer.
@@woodsghost9088deer I can understand, but TURKEYS!? I’ve hunted for YEARS but I haven’t had a lick of luck with those suckers
@@johnathonmeadows72 best to you man.
I have to imagine some turkeys are easier than others? Maybe I was chasing a dumb flock.
When I am set up on their natural walking area I have better luck. I think they go in giant circles. I've seen them do that every day for years.
What pattern did people wear before the 20th century? 🤔 Camouflage is about knowing where to be more than what you're wearing. There's a guy who used to put out VHS tapes and showed how to become invisible without any magical camo pattern.
frogskin here , to save money , try this method , buy full brown , get multipoe camo covers such as guille or tarps , 3:44 frogskin for here is okay but better for tropical greens
A missing part of this video is where hunting camo isnt designed to function. A big one is range. Most hunting camo patters are 200 yards and in because thats distances animals will spook easier. Take a lot of the darker Mossy Oak patterns and at 300 yards plus the pattern blacks out turning you into a clearly defined shape. Second is materials. Actual modern military camo is designed to operate under IR light where as a lot of hunting camo can white out under IR light when observed through NODs.
also depends where you are , a lot of the realtree work great in the Ontario north with all the rocks and scattered brush. The granite is greyish ...
I grew up deer hunting and duck hunting in South Louisiana with my grandfather. He always said that the best camo out there is called sitting still. And let me tell you, he never had problems killing a trophy buck or getting his limit of ducks and that was back in the 50s and 60s long before Treebark camo (the first hunting camo on the market) came out. To this day (I'm 51) I've used different patterns of both Realtree and Mossy oak and have had the same success.
This Video and The Video By Brent0331 Regarding The Military Application of Hunter Camouflage Are Indeed My Go To Videos on All Things Camouflage. Thanks For The Four-One-One.
The Master Yoda of Camouflage!
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina : I Wouldn't Go To That Extraordinary Extreme But I Do Know What Works and What Doesn't. What Camouflage Patterns Work Best En La Republica de 🇦🇷 Adonde Usted Vive ? Me Gusta Saber Mismo.
@MartyRodriguezOrthodoxMarine : 😉‼️
@@MartyRodriguezOrthodoxWarrior Argentina is the 8th largest country in the world with all types of terrains possible. Thus our military has chosen to go the Multcam way which is a clever idea for armed forces but... this doesn't mean Multicam is the best choice for all of the country. If you visit my YT channel you will find several camotest videos where I try very different patterns and you will be surprised how they perform. Best Regards from Buenos Aires!
I've been on AD in the USAF for last 21 years which means I have now been issued 5 different camo patterns: BDUs, DCUs, ABUs, ACUs (not uniforms but gear like pouches and ponchos), and OCPs. I still have a few pieces of even the older stuff. For example, I still have BDU Gortex tops and bottoms. The old stuff is what I take hunting. The only 'hunting apparel' I wear is a cheap mesh mask I got on Amazon to cover my face and blaze orange during firearm season. 2 seasons ago, I shot a buck on opening season wearing that M81 Gortex.
I couldn't get a firearms tag last season but I drew a tag to bow hunt a week in a state park. I was not in a free state last year and unfortunately, this was the best I could do. This place ended up being aweful for deer but I really tested how well old uniform items work for hunting and the answer is really well. I had several squirrels get within 10 yards and not see me. I had some non-game birds get pretty close.
The funniest was on the 2nd to the last day, I was sitting on the edge of this clearing on the edge of the woodline where I saw 3 does the day before come out at dusk. About 200 yards behind me was normal park stuff like picnic tables but it wasn't a big deal because this whole wing of the park was closed for deer hunting. I was sitting on a little stool behind a small brush pile. Besides, a tree about 10 yards away from me, I was completely exposed on all angles except for looking at this woodline 50 yards in front of me. I was wearing old OCP blouse, pants, a boonie and the mesh mask all descented with Dead Down Wind.
About an hour before dusk, 4 dogs suddenly appear and started playing in my shooting lane about 10-20 yards in front of me shortly followed by a woman in her 50s. They were near me for a good 2-3 minutes completely oblivious to my existence until the smallest dog went to sniff the brush pile I was behind. It was at that moment that I was busted. I definitely startled that poor woman. Lol. I had to explain to the woman at that time I was hunting and she isnt actually supposed to be there.
TLDR; Military camo works just fine for hunting.
Thanks, Zach and Cody. Yall do good work here
I wear camo while painting and such...it hides stains really, really well
If I would have known how expensive surplus camo was gonna be, I wouldn't have changed oil, painted, and done other messy things in all of those BDUs over the years.
I'm still looking for a pair of pristine M81 woodland pants that I never washed and only wore like twice.
I kept a lot of stuff at my dad's storage room after a divorce, and I'm sure he took them. He doesn't think of himself as a thief, but I have come to realize that he is very much a thief.
@letsdothis9063 glad im European and surplus is cheaper than a burger from a restaurant
@@G36C-556 i can buy M62 for 10 euros a piece lol.
@@G36C-556I think burgers in the US are now more expensive than our surplus, & that's saying a lot...
Those Airsoft nerds are shockingly good at camo....they likely practice camo rather than talk to girls.
If you go on an airsoft site, their camo kits are completely different than military type kits.
Its called autism
With western dating culture nowadays who would blame them?
Not really , alot of airsofter (me included) run impression kits or at least inspired by real dudes
The guys that don't have mostly cursed kits
@@Alckee Fair point. Virgin =)~
@@KevinWood44 ain’t no way lil bro took it personally 😭 man child 😂
Bear in mind what colors your patterns will fade to. The whole reason we do this is for survivability/longevity, so we need to consider how our camp patterns will wear/fade over time, for when you can’t go get new sets. That is of course unless you can afford to buy a lifetime supply now.
For example, multicam gets pretty dang bright tan when it fades.
This makes me wonder about the shelf life of dyes, and the viability of dyes extracted from local natural sources.
I've noticed the FR variant of multicam doesn't fade as fast or as brightly as the standard uniforms.
I kept a few pairs of the FR multicam trousers and they fit nicely in the alpine elk country i hunt in.
@@inkw4n-nd5iw might depend on the year they were made too, idk. I know my original FR Scorpions now look like straight up multicam arid, but I guess I never wore the Non-FR’s outside enough to really bleach/fade. Now I’m curious, I might lay a set out on the fence for a while and see what they look like in a couple months.
@@TUKByV1 that would be super cool to look into. I’ve got some grass stains and some clay/mud stains on some uniforms from a decade ago that still haven’t come out haha, actually a pretty good idea.
I do know that was part of the fabric/color design theory for UCP’s, or at least that’s what some people who were way cooler than me told us. They stain very easily and will quickly start to mimic environments. Not sure if that was on purpose, but it was pretty true either way in my experience with them.
Sometimes the actual garment has certain features and they only make it in certain patterns. Pants and jackets with side zip ventilation is a big one. I spend ALOT of time in the woods with a pack throughout the year. Hiking some big hills WV PA type and being able to dump heat is a big deal as well as quick drying base layers. Getting dry fast when it's cold makes a difference if your spending days consecutively in the woods. I think the best camo for eastern woodland areas is a ghille cobra hood. Carcoujou makes a very nice one bit you pay the price. The actually pattern becomes less important with a solid ghille setup.
Being from southern AZ, I can think of several different biomes in the state where different camos could work. MARPAT out west near Yuma, MC Arid coming a bit closer east during the summer, MC in the lower mountains and around much of the southern part of the state, and M81 above 7500 or so. Even mixes of solid coyote browns, tans, FDE, OD green, and RG can work in a wide part of the state throughout much of the year.
This was a good video, highly informative and gives me yet MORE to think about.
Honestly knowing how to walk in the woods and having just earth tone cloths on can get you most of the way there. A green top and kaki bottoms or vise versa (think game warden) can do very well and keeping you from sticking out. And a boonie cap and neck gator and you are pretty good.
As an avid camo enjoyer, the best camo is Splittertarn night or MCB on a mannequin with me about 200yds away covered in mud and leaves.
Bingo
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i use british MTP. like multicam but more rugged, and cloth. But VERY comfy and works well in my area which is rolling hills and valleys and farmland with woods and caves mixed in.
I'm old enough to remember the only camo available was military surplus from WW2, Korea and Nam'. Mostly jungle stuff from Nam'. But what I did learn and still practice now in my 60's, is blending in by not moving, using existing foliage, being aware when someone or something is getting near. Loved this video !
I hunt with multicam bottoms on and hunting camo tops. The pants are just made better for what I want and made more consistent. The top is also what is seen more often where the bottoms are covered mostly by brush so even just kakis or any earth tone is generally fine.
@Utah2ofem really that seems really green for most of the season excluding archery? How well does it work?
@Utah2ofem the bottoms I mean. The top looks great.
11:17 you've addressed the issue with all the camo test videos on RUclips, that was spot on! On the other hand IMHO I believe you've missed a key that would help you blend almost everywhere: countershading (lighter bottoms and darker tops, just like animals).
Stone glacier gets into this subject pretty good on their website when people ask them why they dont make things in camo, definitely worth a read
Dude, always when i’m thinking about a topic, they release a video about it, thats so good
If you are around trees, mossy oak and mossy oak vintage hoodies both work, year round, if you SIT STILL. Movement kills. Pants are often hidden, focus on tops.
Glad i waited til the end, almost the whole video i was thinking movement movement movement.. ive had people and animals walk right up on me and never saw me simply because I didn't move. People and animals both wont pickup on colors as much as they will movement so if your concealed well, DONT MOVE
Nothing is perfect, but ATACS patterns are really close. Lol, great video, and the netting is something folks don't understand how it can be utilized even while moving to become an inhuman shape while moving with the right posture and irregular movements.
This channel is top tier for practical civilian defense. I always get something useful out of each episode. 👍🏻
DNC with a little accent of something like M81, Tiger Stripe, Flecktarn, or ATAX-FG actually works very surprisingly well in the southeastern US, mainly during spring/summer months
SOP is cool too, having frens who can all wear the same obscure camo with you is fun.
I wear gray all the time because it blends with my mom's basement
the artillery will not see you either.
That's more or less the question I'm thinking of myself these days. But anyway, in the forrest I could have to "hide" sound is my first enemy. Whatever the color pattern or so, two steps on dry branches and everyone gets you.
But thanks anyway for those userfull reflexions
I joined the Army before BDUs when we had only fatigues, field pants, and wool shirts in the winter. When BDUs came out we could only get one set at a time. I was in the infantry stationed in Germany, we were at the M60 machine gun range. And while waiting our turn to fire, and after, we waited in the wood line across the Tank trail from the range. I was looking over at a soldier in my unit wearing BDUs I could see him fine, then I saw a pair of black shiny boots sticking up out of the grass. I could barely make out the OD Green fatigue pants attached to the boots or the guy laid back against a tree only maybe four or five yards away from me. After that I wore my fatigues until they were no longer authorized a few years later. Our unit was authorized to wear what we called Baumholder Jackets that were custom made by our Battalion Taylor. Usually they were made from an old OD Green poncho or wet weather top, and a poncho liner or a wool blanket. Mine was made from a poncho and poncho liner with a hood and elastic waistband. It blended in well in the woods. If I cammied up with face paint, there were times you could nearly walk right on top of me before being spotted if then.
At a distance it all blends in. So the pattern doesn’t matter much. Movement matters and so does skin color. A face will stick out like a beacon without cammy paint on. If I were hunting keen eyed animals. I may opt for hunter’s camouflage patterns. But for the sh*t hits the fan. I’ll go for my OD green field jacket and maybe some BDUs or whatever I can find. If it’s really serious perhaps I’ll make myself a ghillie suit.
Camo is like the swordsman, its all the matter how he adapts and uses it in his terrain and environment.
Multicam tropic top and M81 bottom would be perfect around me. So would vietnam tiger strip bottoms and swedish m90 up top.
In fact, any "dark" camo bottom and lighter green top would work really well.
Here in Canada, we have a lot of boreal forests, which are almost neon green up high, so camos that are heavy with green work great up top, but there are lots of dark brown trunks, so darker camos work better for bottoms.
Swedish m90 has good colours but the pattern is bad for breaking up outline
FINALLY somebody listened. I've brought this up before. It's camo for and "regular" attire in some places. Realtree works tons of places here in AZ.
If you live in Utah Idaho or any other high desert state Kryptek (though a little pricey) works incredibly well for everything but winter. It’s also i bridge between hunting and military camo that can be scaled up or down for either purpose.
Kryptek is fashion camo that hasn't really survived any credible tests of effectiveness. It just looks like it might be good, and is priced to feel 'premium' without being expensive.
Kryptek has no useful benefits, that's why it was never adopted by the govt
The old kryptek pattern has been discontinued I wanted to nab some Mandrake to put together a little kit to get into airsoft and found out they don't really make that original pattern anymore
You can get cheap surplus camo gear from military surplus stores. I got a ACU top, dyed it green, and now it properly blends in almost any environment
I was hoping you guys would go into different camo signatures under night vision and how certain materials and even detergents have color intensifiers that light up under NODs. Most military camo is required to mitigate this, what most people don't realize is that the sweet accessory pouches they bought off ebay or amazon usually don't follow this standard nor do some name brand hunting camo. It's also a little complicated as well because green, live vegetation tends to illuminate under NODs and camo with a low NIR signature can stand out like dog balls if everything else is lit up, but works great in dead vegetation with low light signatures. Really you could probably do a whole video on camo under NODs just because of the amount of rabbit holes you can get sucked down. Awesome video though.
Yeah, that is a whole video of its own and requires a ton of prep work to do right. But, it is already in development.
Im a bow hunter in the PNW... I run First Lite Spectre or what we call "hippy earth tones" and Ive never had an issue hiding from deer elk pronghorn or humans. A LOT (most) of camo effectiveness is understanding how not to walk or how to position yourself for better break-up of your silouette.
I find jeans and a Hawaiian shirt blend in to every environment, and looks great accessorized with a JPC.
Something that has definitely occurred to me, that you kind of touched on in this with "what story are you telling" is what I think of as "plausible deniability" - there are ways to dress that allow you to blend in very well when you're hiding, which don't immediately make it obvious you're trying to blend in if someone just saw you out for a walk. Kind of like non-camo camo, like the natural coloured flannel plaids you mentioned. Depending on what's going on in the world and what scenario you're operating in, you may need to go full on military style camo and gear, or there may be scenarios where you need to be able to appear like a normal joe civilian, but also be able to "disappear" into the foliage wearing the same thing. Great video; you guys put out excellent content. Keep it up!
Funny thing about all the camo you look at creation and a white tail with its solid gray winter coat or brown summer coat can disappear after going just several yards in the woods. Maybe not so much in winter but I think a lot of us here have walked up on a deer not realizing it was there until it started running.
Why the camo debate is pointless
It’s important to consider what your target sees. For us and most animals, we’re excellent at detecting movement, especially lateral movement. Using terrain and vegetation to mask your movements is far more important than anything you’re wearing, there’s more layers to camouflage than clothing and face paint.
The texture of fur aids animals in reducing their visibility. It also acts as a motion detection system.
Orange tigers sneak up on people who should be able to see orange in a green jungle.
I really appreciate you talking about how what you wear tells a story, and how big a role movement plays. I think one of the best examples is these kids who show up to airsoft wearing a ghillie suit and end up being some of the most visible people on the field because they don’t sit still. The human brain knows bushes don’t get up and walk around. My dad always says about the same thing you did for hunting. Many a time he’s been out in jeans and a flannel and seen more deer than anyone simply because he knows how to sit still.
My short advice to anyone reading is thus: spend time in the woods. Videos like this are fantastic but nothing will teach you like getting out there and experiencing some of this stuff, actually seeing how your buddy wearing jeans and a T-shirt can all but disappear because he stops moving, or how someone becomes practically invisible when you add camo to that.
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Using a certain type of hunting camo is absolutely beneficial, like where I live using Mossy Oak Breakup absolutely turns you invisible in the woods, but once you leave the woods you're just a walking bush pile. I started using M81 because it stands out enough for my hunting partner to know where I am, but still enough to conceal me well enough for hunting deer.
In Canada I use Finnish M05 snow camo for the winter and Cadpat for the rest of the year. Cant beat that up here honestly.
Highly province dependent sadly
@@Jeffplsgo I'm in Northern Ontario but yea I would agree.
@@JannyBesmircher that’s not too far. I feel like hearing dirty civ talk about communities we should have one for Canada considering how small our “prepper” community is or wtv you’d call us
@@Jeffplsgo Well, with our current government I'm weary about that. We would probably be called a right wing militia or some dumb crap 🤣. Theyre always looking for reasons to demonize the firearm community. Despite us having daily background checks and being screened by the RCMP before even getting our licenses.
For one "milsim" I did, there was a foot of snow on the ground as well as tons of grey/brown shrubbery and spruce trees. To this day its been the best camo I used. It was baggy clear white snow pants with marpat on top and OD Green PC with an OD Green helmet. the contrast between the white pants and the camo top broke up my silhouette like you wouldn't believe and the marpat with solid colors matched what was above the snow perfectly. My own teammates kept losing track of where I was 10 feet away
Buy the old pickle suit military pants and top, plus some cheap camo netting and scrim. Just drap stuff over your pickle suit and disappear. Different netting for different environs.
I’ve been preaching this for like 10 years! Real tree xtra is perfect for WA state. What the market needs, maybe you guys can produce it, is a reversible zipper hoodie that has real tree on one side and all black on the other. This way you can have instant urban or outdoor camo with you at all times.
1:46 Not sure if that statement applies nowadays. For instance, Russians and Ukrainians use multicam, and that forced them to put on different colored tape on their uniforms and that defeats the whole point of camouflage.
I hunted in the Eastern Cape region of South Africa for years, the best clothing I found for the job was South African Defense Force Nutria Browns or South African Police Pattern II...use the clothing that was designed around the area it was designed to operate in...that is all...
"Why do people keep dropping entire paychecks on rhodesian and tigerstripe"
*Me looking at rhodesian and tigerstripe pants yesterday...* 😠
hahahaha. So relatable. Easily my 2 favorites. I felt like he was talking directly to me when he said that. Glad I'm not the only one.
Sometimes form matters, and Rhodesian & Tigerstripe are just plain good.
Who's wearing real tree to the big sombrero? Some loser?
Honestly my best camo for my environment is a hard hat and safety vest with a pair of work gloves…. Throw in a clipboard and I’m both invisible but also have a surprising level of clearance to a lot of different places. (By that I mean you can kind of just access different areas by looking purposeful)
It's funny you say that. I've played around with "what if" scenarios regarding urban combat. My observation is that if you're trying to move discreetly through in urban environment in any kind of combat situation, literally dressing like everyone else or as a tradesman goes a long way to people ignoring you. The same applies to other environments: dress like what you see around you.
15:15 is super real. Going to spot someone moving in the best camo over the person stationary in natural colored solids every time.
I tie dyed a set of overalls for hunting down here in AUS with muted natural colours. Pattern works surprisingly well, would recommend
Best camo: mimic your surroundings. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
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Multicam tropic is my favorite pattern hands down. I have had people drive by my within 10 yards on a sxs and never knew I was there. Plus it’s just the most appealing pattern for my eyes personally.
This can also apply in urban or otherwise human developed environments. A gray or similarly appropriate camo might help if you think your version of the end of the world calls for it but I'm also thinking of the all the days before then. Don't dress like a cowboy in a dense urban area, don't dress like a hipster in a very small town, don't dress like a stock broker in a very poor neighborhood. How you choose to groom yourself also factors in. Different hair and beard styles are more or less common in different places. Though I'm currently trying to see if I can catch ZZ Top so do as I say, not as I do.
Mixing camo is also great for areas with high contrast in color between the ground and the trees. Example, pine forest with snow, you could wear white pants and an m81 top.
Maine K9 police use realtree camo. Weird thing to see some dude in realtree with a 10,000 dollar rifle.
Sounds like the South 😅
@@ShaneBraaten camo just doesn’t matter us much as companies want us to believe.
Well yeah, you spend money on camo you don't want to be seen at all 😂
Well for hunting I usualy have a green jacked and old BW trousers. I found out that most game wont mind how you are clothed as long as it looks like the natural surrounding color wise. The bigger thing is to brake up the shape of the human body, that is what I found out really helps. Particuar at the head and shoulder area.
I barely bother too much about hunting camo because I know full well being seen is the least of my worries. I worked on a whitetail deer ranch and learned a lot about deer. Including the fact they don't see the reds, yellows and oranges as they are they see them as muted greens and browns. Either way I worry about smell and sound over anything. A deers eyesight might not be great but its nose and hearing are fantastic and will give you away before they ever see you. But on the topic for the prairies the best camo I've found in the fall is Mossy Oak Shadowblades it mimics the look of tall grass and crops.
I remember an excellent example of "if they aren't actively looking for you, you're invisible" that happened about a year ago.
my buddy and I were out turkey hunting and got skunked on another friends property and its about 10:00am or so now and were walking the mile or so back to the built out barn in the CA foothills where everyone will be hanging out wearing out our tan color pattered upland game camo. we step literally about 10 feet off the road to get some water and piss, and 3 cars full of our friends who were coming up to meet us (for the bon fire than night) drive past and we just kinda stood there and watched them go, and not a single person in 3 fully loaded cars saw us standing 10 feet away as they drove past because we weren't moving.
It was pretty interesting tbh. they werent looking for us, so they didnt see us. mind you this is a dirt road and they were going like 10 mph so it was a relatively slow roll on by, not blazing at like 45 mph.
Worked as a park ranger and our uniforms were a khaki tan shirt with OD green pants. There were countless times when my colleagues were backdropped by grey rocks, on a beach, or in front of green brush and at a distance of at least 60-100m my eyes had such a hard time picking them out. This was when they were moving around without any attempt to avoid detection. At closer distances, I could perceive them but didn't notice them, if that makes sense... like my eyes decided to "skip" over and ignore them. This was especially true with the pants against a forest background. I think a lot can be said for solid color earth tones in our world of multicam and tiger stripes.
10:19 I didn't see you until you moved. That is scary🤣
Add brush to your backpack, can backdrop your head for your "cobra hood", can breakup a solid color backpack, and is readily available.
My hypothesis at 0:30 is there is a difference between military uniform "camo" that is mainly for IFF and with solid general concealment features vs camo for true concealment, real tree camo or sniper suits.
Always a good idea to look up the camo map based on what region of America you are in
Nothing will ever beat Duck Hunter/Frog skin camo.
I love duck season camo
Good video. Nice to see someone actually break down civilian and military camo, and show the theory behind it. Would love to see the argument of mixing the camos (IE Hunting camo top w/ military bottom). Would also love to see the plausibility of ghillie suits, since people still go crazy for them.
This might be a hot take but I think prepared citizens should buy NV before armor.
Thermal
@@ShaneBraaten also very dope and super useful
Well, the reasoning is sound but for me armour works 24/7, NV works situational.
@@CiviTac Wait.... You guys have more than just a chest rig..!? Hopefully I last more than 12 hours then...
@@ShaneBraaten handgun rifle chest rig helmet pvs14. The goated civilian loadout
Love this, a lot of considerations that I didn’t think about.
When do they appear on screen or is this just b role footage of the forest narrated over?
Shape, Shine, Shadow, Silhouette, Spacing, sudden Movement, and surface/Texture. Sounds of your gear and movement should also be considered, but thats perhaps another class😂. Im sure there are more as things evolve/change in how the military teaches, but thinking about yourself and whats in front, beside, and behind you when trying to conceal yourself or your unit. Even route selection to a degree can be selected with this thought in mind. Especialy with drones and other optical equipment available now. Overhead cover and cammo is king. Stay hard to kill friends.
Multicam is fine for the larp, just remember that those who want to oppress you wear it.
Those who help keep you free also wear it - I wore that (or similar) uniform for 23 years, I still have the same beliefs.
I'm not going to stop and ask if you're one of The Good Ones first.
a rifle during October(archery season) in the south will definitely get a Game Wardens attention.
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A tan or grey long sleeve work shirt with grey pants works well in any environment. Any muted earth tone works. It’s really about the way you move.
"There's no perfect camo" obviously you've never used ACU.... 😂
Old sea story for ya: the NWU Type 3's, which at the time were only used by SpecOps, EOD, SeaBees. In 2011 they got extended to certain Master at arms commands like mine: PRP Bangor Washington. The current version of thebtype 3's are not as good as 2011 but i digress.
I was on the convoy route with my partner when out platoon commander came up to have a word with him. My pole gate was in a clearing of about 50 yards, until the forest began. And being western Washington, it was a mix of dark and light forestry, mostly dark.
I WATCHED them walk away to just before the forest starts again. I looked away to scan my surroundings, and i looked back to where they were. When i tell you the Marine had disappeared, i mean it. The ONLY reason i knew they hadn't gone further into the flrest was because i could barely see his hands. I couldn't even see the movement of his arms, just his hands. The Sailor next to him in Type 3's was almost as camouflaged as he was, and the only reason I "see" him was because he happened to be standing in from of a dark patch of forest. Even then, i could barely make him out. It was mind blowing.
And to think the USMC spent only 250k to develop one of the best camo patterns to grace this earth
my dad was a badass CAF 2RCR sniper veteran and he said "a person wearing camo is still person shaped"
Thank you for giving good information to people who are not informed I still have my ghille suit from the military and it's OCP with a boonie cap and netting you can be very creative if you make your own camo and you learn what works better over time me I love ocp, a-tac, dcu due to the light colors and patterns as I was taught go light n color because it's always easier to go darker on the ghille
Keep it coming! This is great, and I hope you guys dive deeper into it.
So I’m from the northeast where we have distinct seasons so my choice of hunting attire changes throughout the year. When stuff is still green like right now, usually I’ll just wear olive drab. Old school mossy oak green leaf works well in green wooded areas, and so does m81. When everything is brown during the fall, old school bottomland is a good choice for me, but sometimes I just wear a brown/tan flannel coat and some coyote brown pants and I can have game come extremely close to me(I’ve had deer at roughly 15 feet away while sitting on a log wearing just that). For snowy woods my favorite is hands down old school trebark. But the cover around you is equally as important as what you wear, your latest greatest Camo clothes don’t do you any good standing out in the open.
My 300 WSM is almost identical to his, from the butter creek scope caps, pad on the stock, bipod, and rattle can odg. I love mine