Woah this is a hard feat. Our language rely so heavily on sound, style and pronunciation rather than formalities. You do patios much justice by your teaching. Respect.
Appreciate dat! Believe it or not...I had no idea how much structure our patois had till I started working on this...sure I still have more to learn but I enjoyed sharing what I uncovered.
Hi, I'm having trouble with differentiating between open mouth and closed mouth short O words. I don't think we have that in English, it's either long or short. For example, the short o in opposite is pronounced the same in English as the short o in opportunity. Can you explain what makes one open and one closed? And open, and obey are both long o's in English. What makes one open and one closed in Patwah? I love your lessons and I am learning a lot. Going to Jamaica in one week for Sumfest so I'm binge watching your classes to help me to better understand the lyrics. Thanks!
Hey Joan...that is going to be fun! Hope you have a great trip...alright suh, we only have a few words in Patwah that get's a long "O"...like "over"and a few others where it's emphasized...the rest mostly is short with the O ending up sounding more like an "uh" or a phonetic short "a"...so without being confusing, let's try this exercise...using the short o principle...whatever vowel between the phonetic u & a that it tends to sound like is what you go with...for exampe Regular English = Obese "Oh bese" Patwah short o = "uh-bese" because when you shorten up that oh...the O+B together tends to want to make an "uh" sound. Here's another one...Original "Oh riginal" short o = "uh-riginal...when you shorten the o...the O+R ends up sounding closer to a phonetic u.. Onion "Oh nion" short o = "uh-nion" same ting... The shorter O english words tend get the short a sound in the beginning...This can be tricky in the beginning until it becomes natural to you...so short o words like...office...ordeal...will sound like affice....ahdeal... I'll have to expand on this some more...but to give you another example of how close...2 words in the same family....offer & official - both with short o's would be "affah" & "uh-ficial"... Give me some feedback on this to let me know if it helped any...won't stop until you guys get it... :) -Andre
@@ChatPatwah Thank you Andre, that was a very good explanation but I tend to think it would take a while for me to be able to easily decide what sound the 'o' gets, uh or ah. I will watch for the shorter words beginning with "o" more often having an 'ah' sound than a 'uh' sound. Am I right in guessing the following? Operation, occlusion, occupation and obedience sound like 'uh'. Odyssey sounds like 'ah'? I'll continue to follow your series!
joan Thorne so Operation also being short in English gets the “ah”...occlusion has the long “o” in English gets the “uh”...occupation has the short o in English so it gets the “ah” ....obedience is the long o...that gets an “uh” and Odyssey is the short o so it gets the “ah”...this will take a little bit but we’ll get through it...still figuring it out myself and then trying to convey it...but keep the feedback coming! 😁
Ten years later i come here just to came to know that when Chris Martin was saying mi friend dem in the song it wasn't for a single friend , I'm Spanish native speaker btw
It depen pon di situation or setting dem inna. Usually inna school an class dem expeck yuh fi speak “proper” English, but inna everyday life a jus patois. If yuh watch di news an certain show pon TV yuh wi notice most a dem a English, but di music, an comedy an di odda local stuff a straight patois.
Because "dat" is more specific as to pointing something out..."seh" is more used in conversation as a figure of speech...so example we use this phrase a lot "Yuh si seh..." which means "You see that..." or "Mi know seh yuh never know dat"...See the difference...[Mi know seh] is just grouped into the phrase to demonstrate that I know this knowledge...but the use of "dat" at the end...specifies that its something in particular that you didn't know. Now if I had said..."Yuh si dat..." it would be something that I'm pointing out to you. Let me know if this makes any sense.
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Woah this is a hard feat. Our language rely so heavily on sound, style and pronunciation rather than formalities. You do patios much justice by your teaching. Respect.
Appreciate dat! Believe it or not...I had no idea how much structure our patois had till I started working on this...sure I still have more to learn but I enjoyed sharing what I uncovered.
Man a born jamaican mi know wul a dis🇯🇲🇯🇲
Tank fi di lesson again. Now mi cyan read comment dem here!
Glad wi coulda did help yuh! :)
Boy can also be spelled bwoy or boi
Hi, I'm having trouble with differentiating between open mouth and closed mouth short O words. I don't think we have that in English, it's either long or short. For example, the short o in opposite is pronounced the same in English as the short o in opportunity. Can you explain what makes one open and one closed? And open, and obey are both long o's in English. What makes one open and one closed in Patwah? I love your lessons and I am learning a lot. Going to Jamaica in one week for Sumfest so I'm binge watching your classes to help me to better understand the lyrics. Thanks!
Hey Joan...that is going to be fun! Hope you have a great trip...alright suh, we only have a few words in Patwah that get's a long "O"...like "over"and a few others where it's emphasized...the rest mostly is short with the O ending up sounding more like an "uh" or a phonetic short "a"...so without being confusing, let's try this exercise...using the short o principle...whatever vowel between the phonetic u & a that it tends to sound like is what you go with...for exampe
Regular English = Obese "Oh bese" Patwah short o = "uh-bese" because when you shorten up that oh...the O+B together tends to want to make an "uh" sound.
Here's another one...Original "Oh riginal" short o = "uh-riginal...when you shorten the o...the O+R ends up sounding closer to a phonetic u..
Onion "Oh nion" short o = "uh-nion" same ting...
The shorter O english words tend get the short a sound in the beginning...This can be tricky in the beginning until it becomes natural to you...so short o words like...office...ordeal...will sound like affice....ahdeal...
I'll have to expand on this some more...but to give you another example of how close...2 words in the same family....offer & official - both with short o's would be "affah" & "uh-ficial"...
Give me some feedback on this to let me know if it helped any...won't stop until you guys get it... :)
-Andre
@@ChatPatwah Thank you Andre, that was a very good explanation but I tend to think it would take a while for me to be able to easily decide what sound the 'o' gets, uh or ah. I will watch for the shorter words beginning with "o" more often having an 'ah' sound than a 'uh' sound. Am I right in guessing the following? Operation, occlusion, occupation and obedience sound like 'uh'. Odyssey sounds like 'ah'? I'll continue to follow your series!
joan Thorne so Operation also being short in English gets the “ah”...occlusion has the long “o” in English gets the “uh”...occupation has the short o in English so it gets the “ah” ....obedience is the long o...that gets an “uh” and Odyssey is the short o so it gets the “ah”...this will take a little bit but we’ll get through it...still figuring it out myself and then trying to convey it...but keep the feedback coming! 😁
Chat Patwah I’ll work at it. Thanks!
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See the boi deh o͟v͟a͟ deh so
Ten years later i come here just to came to know that when Chris Martin was saying mi friend dem in the song it wasn't for a single friend , I'm Spanish native speaker btw
Welcome amigo! 👊🏾🇯🇲
Respek!
Everytime! 👊🏾🇯🇲
Wah gwaan mi bredda, tank yuh very much fi dis vidio mi learning nuff wid yuh fish
Yuh did nuh talk about nuff
Wow, big op bredda! 🫡 Greeting dem from Poland! ❤
Nuff respeck!! Greetings 👊🏾🇯🇲
Wah gwaan. Mi have question. Pickney dem inna Jamaican dem chat patois inna every dey situation. Or dem speak Jamaican English. Thenk yuh.
It depen pon di situation or setting dem inna. Usually inna school an class dem expeck yuh fi speak “proper” English, but inna everyday life a jus patois. If yuh watch di news an certain show pon TV yuh wi notice most a dem a English, but di music, an comedy an di odda local stuff a straight patois.
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Thenk yuh. Mi sincerely hope patois flourish and mi luv it suh much. 🇯🇲
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Chat patwah suh much fun inna wi life. Sounds like music. Suh nice rhythm.
@@zulkiflijamil4033 come natural fi wi...but mi andastan...really unique
@@ChatPatwah Yeah yuh deh right. And wi haffi guh do some experiment.
Mi learn gud. keep it up! Tanks
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Tanks fi di support mi boss...spread di word...more lessons soon come. Bless.
Excellent
Tank yuh, mi bredda
Yeah man...respeck!
Why did you use Seh for that instead of dat?
Because "dat" is more specific as to pointing something out..."seh" is more used in conversation as a figure of speech...so example we use this phrase a lot "Yuh si seh..." which means "You see that..." or "Mi know seh yuh never know dat"...See the difference...[Mi know seh] is just grouped into the phrase to demonstrate that I know this knowledge...but the use of "dat" at the end...specifies that its something in particular that you didn't know. Now if I had said..."Yuh si dat..." it would be something that I'm pointing out to you. Let me know if this makes any sense.
Makes sense thank you
@@lynngraves6294 "mi si seh yuh andastan now"..."yuh know seh mi deh yah fi help oonuh"..."waan oonuh fi know dat". [just a little re-enforcement :) ]