Global National: July 10, 2024 | Canada to buy up to 12 conventional submarines for Arctic defence
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- While the NATO summit continues in Washington, D.C., the Trudeau government says it will buy up to 12 conventional submarines, as Russia and China's presence in the Arctic has raised concerns about their military ambitions. There is no timeline on when the submarines will be delivered, and no information of how much they might cost. But a senior government official says that it won't be enough to get Canada to the 2 per cent of GDP target. Mercedes Stephenson explains.
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Please don't buy used subs again.
Or made in Britain 🇬🇧
Or from the west ed mall
*NATO military industrial complex extortion that will be sold to future enemy nations when the military hardware approaches end of shelf-life. In fact, the purchase of "12 conventional submarines" is a purchase of end-of-life military hardware that is sold off to recover the cost of its initial investment.* We're supporting the war-profiteeting industry.
@@GhostRider-hp3te it was Canada’s fault they caught fire. They left the hatch open in rough weather and a wave got in. Hit a electrical panel and caught fire.
Buy US built Nuclear subs as we are a nuclear country.
Australia which is smaller than Canada just bought a Fleet of Nuclear Subs which are far better🤠
Good thing we're allies.
Ontario and Quebec thought they could dump their nuke waste in Manitoba, and the NDP passed a law no nukes here. Australia will glow in the dark.☢🤣😋
@@tgiddsOne more country to freeload off of, hey!
Liberal 'logic' at its finest
Those are subs that will never get delivered and cost each Aussie two arms and a leg.
@@bobsmith3983 Australian sailors will be in nuclear subs long before Canadian sailors are in functioning diesel-electric boats.
The last time we bought subs, they ended up breaking down and costing the lives of submariners.
2 diesel electric from England.
If we upgrade fleet of Subs let’s get behind this and make sure they are safe and up to date with the rest of the world.
We DO NOT WANT JUNK AND WE
WANT SAFTEY FOR OUR ARMED FORCES.
That’s all I have to say about that.
The problem with those 4 British submarines was they were improperly stored by the UK (while Canada was negotiating for them) = the subs suffered their whole remaining service life because of that!
*They also were 'hand me downs'...not exactly top tier gear!
@@natetaylor9002those subs were actually cutting edge and nearly brand new, but our government spent so much time humming and hawing, and dragging their feet… Then didn’t want to pay for upkeep while they were awaiting the closure of the deal, by that time we may as well have kept the old “O” boats. I wonder how they think we’re going to man 12 subs. And in any case, conventional subs are pretty much useless in the Arctic. 🤷🏻♂️
The lives lost on Chicoutimi were due to running with open hatches in high seas. The boat didn't just "break down".
It was 4. I remember I had just gotten posted to esquimalt on the west coast the week after the used sub hit the ground. I remember seeing that dent in the damaged sub 🤷♂️🤦♂️
For defence we really don’t need much more being neighbours like America lol
Because heaven forbid we actually build something for our military in our own country, and give people good paying jobs.
Exactly
Problem with building our own equipment is that Canadian companies view a government contract as a blank cheque, not held accountable to anyone, its a contractors dream to get a Canadians contract, just look at Irving shipyards
Why should we support the military when they nor the government takes care of our veterans
@@edlubitz2968 and US military contractors don’t? lol
Because Canada is going to get its last home built frigate in 2050.
If we tried to build a submarine, we'd be lucky to have them by 2100 - the year!
“23 billion for people harmed by the welfare system?” So the free welfare money was so harmful that they’re getting more free money? Makes all kinds of sense.
I agree .I'm getting so sick of them getting millions for this billions for that.not paying taxes....
@sherreywurz731 but my ancestors 400 years ago...
@@coryvincun5424 ...should have fought harder. Every square centimeter of land on this planet - save the Antarctic - belonged to someone else before it was taken away by force of arms. Even the "noble savages" fought and stole territory from each other. It is human nature.
@@MrGrumblier I get you. It's a 😃
@@coryvincun5424 I know, I was just replying to your hypothetical pearl clutching native activist.
Who will operate them? Massive shortage of military personnel.
I am sure they can work from home now.
Maybe some of these new (replacement) Canadians can step up and serve? Or is it just assumed that the last of the old stock Canadians will sacrifice themselves for this multicultural dystopia?
@Harbinger343 of course, why would they care about the good of Canada when they arrived with their hands out?
Who are we defending against?
@@mrbobo86 Russia, are you not aware that in 2021 Putin filed a submission to extend a claim to the Arctic, all the way into Canadian and Greenland (Denmark) continental shelf and economic zone, as part of Russia's continental shelf. In other words, a situation where they're claiming the entire Arctic Canadian and Danish continental shelf as part of the Russian continental shelf.
Pelosi telling Biden to step down, so tone deaf. She needs to retire also.
She said it was his decision you lying po_
@@PelonMusk She still has a district she represents. Hole
FJT
FJB and FN
@@angelofiron4366TKD and TND and THD?
FUA
Yes... but will they have the mandatory rainbows on them?
Or what would we name it gender neutral I guess eh
Submariners love seamen.
They could all be named for all those pride colours. Crews all dei and captain very woke. These subs would all fly the pride colours with white flags in reserve.
@pointfire94 last time the sea people's were key lose the ancient world collapsed
@@justadildeauloooooolllll
Why don't we design small nuclear reactors to save the environment? Can our navy put two and two together?
How about the environmental cost is negligible compared to the cost of our ability to defend ourselves? ... Why is everything about the environment? We need power for long underwater deployments.
@@edwardk3 Diesel submarines are junk. Too slow.
@@edwardk3I think the OP was being slightly facetious, Edward. It's just the best way to appeal to idiots who don't understand why we need a military at all. It just so happens to also be the best way to power submarines in the Arctic Ocean.
ask the free market why they don't and absolutely refuse to build nuclear reactors? or do you expect the government to pay for everything like some communist? Renewable is cheaper and takes a tenth of the time to get approved and built which is why the free market builds more and more renewables every single year while ignoring archaic decrepit nuclear power.
@@jnonya7743 energy infrastructure should be government owned if they can operate it well. We could have been like the Norwegians and built a sovereign wealth fund to rival theirs, but we're a nation run by fools beholden to their international financiers and creditors.
That's the same idiotic thing they did last time. Conventional subs to patrol the artic. Get a grip.
Do you have any better idea. The US is totally ripping off Australia by charging them $350 Billion for 8 subs.
Do you think Canada has $350 billion to spend on subs.
We don't even have the infrastructure and facilities to serve nuclear powered subs. Nevermind the trained staff to maintain, operate and serve them.
AIP subs can do that,which theyll likely get
@@mnufeld8448
AIP? My concern is range. The only power source practical for patrolling the Arctic is nuclear.
@@the_Kurgan Air Independent Propulsion ,a conventional sub design, designed to cut down /eliminate need for snorkeling, and therefore need to even approach the surface ,by using LOX ,liquid oxygen ,which obviously can be cracked to produce the atmospheric oxygn needed , and there was a Portuguese AIP sub, Portugal part of Nato ,which did an Arctic patrol this past winter /spring . And most of the subs now being looked at , primarily Swedish and German, are AIP subs
@@mnufeld8448
OK I Googled it. Interesting. Has some advantages but also some serious disadvantages. Anyway they'll buy the least practical most expensive option like always.
Never been an indefinite time-line Trudeau didn't like 😂
non nuclear means easily sunk.
Sorry what? Non nuclear means sunk.
Ah yes, the typical rage infested individual who knows nothing about the Canadian military doctrine.
Diesel electric submarines are arguably better than nuclear submarines depending on the purposes you require the submarines for.
German Type 212 submarine would be my preference for the new submarines.
@@collinplays1823 you may well be right
We better do something because currently we have no capacity to patrol the northern pass (outsourced to America) nor do we have the ability to defend even one province if canada was attacked. All of our security is outsourced to the USA. We will be lucky if one day the USA dosent just think ‘it would probably cost alot less if we just took a few parts of Canada instead of sending our troops over seas’… we have everything they need and we can’t defend it. But let me guess we are going to buy these subs from the USA…
tRump 😡
US doesn't make conventional power submarines. They will probably be South Korean, Swedish, German or French.
At least if the US took Canada we’d have more overhead budget.
@jimmyjones2901 Knowing tRump, he'd let Putin take us...he wants the NW passage 🤔
Used garbage from England. Chuckie needs money for his castles and such.
Trudeau wasted so much money on frivolous spending that he left Canada broke and deeply in debt . We're lucky to have enough to buy a rubber dinghy let alone subs.
Canada is a G7 nation and this comment is grossly misleading.
You live in a parallel universe @@JH-te1ct
@@JH-te1ctG7 in that our economy is large enough that the international lenders will still give us money we'll never be able to pay back. You'd think we would have paid off the first Trudeau's loans by the time his wife's son got into office, but nope.
Canada has the least amount of debt of all the G7 countries, very misleading comment.
@@pizzazzsnudge7800 Well we are deeply in debt, What does G7 have to do with anything? Nice diversion
Canada's future is the same way Greece used to be .
More like how India used to be under the Congress Party🤠
More like Rome being overrun by the Vandals. Our golden age was building the St Lawrence Seaway, it's all been steadily downhill from there, especially once the Bank of Canada stopped giving interest-free loans to municipal, provincial and territorial governments in the 70s because international bankers wanted to give us usurious loans instead.
Brown Greece or brown Argentina you mean.
Canadians live pretty good, standard of living is higher then the US. We do have our share of freeloaders though, they cry none stop.
@@freebolt5913 and they're being imported non-stop. It's sunset for the west. Pray you don't live to see night fall. It won't be cinematic.
I hear Port Burwell, Ontario has one for sale 😂😂
Too modern
@@bradyakubovic2550 I'm assuming you mean the rust is too modern
They'll be after something in the range of "broken down and rusting in the same spot for at least 50 years" to "has rusted to dust but we can patch it"
How much ?
With what money? I'm sorry but I'm tired of paying high taxes in Canada.
Yea lets just not fund our military or fulfill our commitments to NATO, great idea 👍🏼
Don’t you know? All politicians will take a pay cut, Hahahaha
Hopefully with all the money we send out of this country every year. It’s about damn time we put Canada first for once.
maybe we could use some of that 18 BILLION dollars we use to subsidies the Oil industry in this country?
Don't forget that this is a conservative priority, hence the poorly armed ice-breakers commissioned during the Harper government.
Please buy the tested and proven US subs and not the crappy British ones
Send them Trudumb Castro
The Canadian People need housing, doctors, food, work, low rents, service for those afflicted by substances. The number one enemy of the Canadian People is this actual government!
The days of reckoning on this land are approaching.
and we also need to protect us all, and our friends...
Having a military _is not some sort of optional frill._ It's vital.
Breaking news: Canada needs re-building in absolutely every single area. Housing, doctors, addiction care, defense, the works.
Never mind a brand-new bag, Papa needs a brand-new _everything._
@@dixonpinfold2582 Not really. Russia is not looking to invade Canada. The way geopolitics is done now, we'd rot from the inside from foreign interference than military invasion.
China hasn't invaded a single African country but essentially has multiple vassal states through lending them huge amounts of money at high cost through the Belt and Road initiative.
Canada is just funneling money away. Trudeau doesn't care if this country has subs or not. He doesn't care about Ukraine. He doesn't care about Haiti. Stop thinking any of these people have good intentions with this reckless spending.
Where would we be today, if during the depression if the people thought the same as you and didn't want to arm or fight against Germany in WW2? Speaking German only now the danger is Russia and Putin's wants the Canadian Arctic, if he achieves that he likely will want the more of Canada for it's natural resources.
@@franceyneireland1633 Canada not long ago applauded a izaN in Parliement. Freeland is a daughter of a izaN collaborater.
It's great to buy the submarines, but does Canada have the submariners? And the woke culture will not cut it.
Nope. Never will either.
These submarines are harmful to the environment. Which can be harmful to women!
None of them can probably even swim 🐋
What nonsense lol
Not under a left government ever, would you serve with this ndp liberal government? I think not.
Cannot wait for my grandchildren to see these once they roll off the line in 2050! Only to find they didnt think of the proper infrastructure for them. Go Procurement!
This is the only kind of military spending we should be doing right now.
We should push for a stronger air force
@@cripplingdepression981 Why would we when we live next to the first and second largest air force in the entire world and no country has the means to send an airforce at us??? What we need to do is assert sovereignty over the Artic passage ways before its too late.
@@jnonya7743you know the RCAF has been intercepting Russian aircraft in our ADIZ up north for 75 years, right? It’s like the main thing they do to directly protect Canadian sovereignty. Russia absolutely has the capability to send their Air Force at us, they test it all the time.
@@jnonya7743 Canada owes everything to the secure world order upheld by the West at great cost. It's morally wrong to benefit from it without materially contributing to it. That includes efforts at sea, on land and in the air. Our allies are (rightly) sick to death of our free-lunch attitude.
@@jnonya7743 Considering we are not spending 2% of our GDP on defence. Trump said if a country is not spending 2% of GDP on defence, Russia can do what ever it wants, so if Trump is elected we can't depend on the US to help.
Canada is at the forefront of nuclear energy and we need to build nuclear subs to run under the ice. and nuclear ice breakers not diesel
@@Another-Address Nuclear power is much cleaner and more efficient than fossil fuels ever could be 🤨
US has nuclear subs
Tridents I think
Can stay under/ at sea for +6 months.
@@Another-Address What nuclear waste disposal issue? Are you just inventing a problem in your own head? Nuclear waste disposal isn't an issue at all. This isn't The Simpsons dude.
Diesel subs are junk. Too slow.
@@eanerickson8915 You know nothing about modern diesel electric submarines then
Why are we not buying into AUKUS? we have the largest uranium deposits in the world
This news station is a joke
Why you watching it? Just to say it`s a joke?🤡
Goebbels news at its finest
@@user-pp1ln8lr5lbecause the best way to be informed is to listen to several different outlets. I'm a conservative, but I still watch CNN and MSNBC. However, I also watch Fox News along with several conservative outlets online.
@@user-pp1ln8lr5l I know it shocks those inhabiting their own little media bubbles, but many people with actual brains consider it important to stay abreast of what news _other people_ are seeing and reading, even if the process of finding out turns their stomachs.
And so are you.
We need high end subs and drones for sea and air ,with a robust ground force free of "flavor of the day" politics....
why? who is attacking us and what do you think a few subs is going to do to stop them? we need to get our economy together because that is where the real battles of today are fought.
@@pattygreen8064 The boomer generation has been so inundated with propaganda over their lifetime, they can't get over being wrong on nearly everything all their lives. The most selfish generation ever and they won't ever stop being war hawks, it's been programmed into their psyche by now.
Didn't Canada order some very high tech drones from the US? A fleet of 11 MQ-9B Reaper drones, built by U.S. defence contractor General Atomics.
Let's all wonder what new tax will be forced on us to pay for the submarines and then let's all just say no thank you
Would you rather give up territory to Russia? In April 2021 Putin filed a submission to extend a claim to the Arctic, all the way into Canadian and Greenland (Denmark) continental shelf and economic zone, as part of Russia's continental shelf, which will impact the Northwest passage. In other words, a situation where they're claiming the entire Arctic Canadian and Danish continental shelf as part of the Russian continental shelf. Russia had 8 fully armed arctic military bases built in the last 15 years. In 2018 Beijing agreed it would cooperate with Russia on a new Arctic silk route, signing 20 bilateral documents and agreeing to invest in the region. As part of this Beijing will build several Chinese docks across Russia's north in ports. If Canada isn't capable of patrolling the Arctic or defending it Canada will loose it. If Russia gains Canada's arctic do you really trust Russia and China won't push further? Ukraine didn't believe Russia would invade even as Russia was building up a military are their border. A good defence is a deterrent against aggressive countries, unless of course you'd rather learn Russian and live under Russian control. Don't count on the US defending us, especially if Trump is elected, he already stated if you're not spending 2% of your GDP on defence, Russia can do what the hell it wants.
@@franceyneireland1633 Territories have already been given up to the Russian, the Americans and the Danes. They just have not taken possession.
@@franceyneireland1633 Trump doesn't respect Trudeau and why should he? Nobody else does. Russia is more than capable of crushing Canada in a matter of hours, new subs or not. The war in Ukraine is about money for big business. Everyone benefiting has plenty of freshly printed cash to promote the killing of innocent people but there's not a dime going into any attempt at peace. Spend 32 years in the CAF, watch the absolute destruction and current ideology for yourself, then come back and edit your comments.
Sorry, but this is something we really do need, like yesterday!
Enjoy all this spending? Wait for the chinese tariffs on EVs!!!
That's Trump... he has no clue how tariffs works
@@gryph01 No. It is what doug ford said to trudeau. Wait for them. They are coming!
Are you kidding me?
The Libs can't even plant trees.
Even if we bought the submarines imagine the hubris thinking that you could operate them at the same time as pushing your DEI culture you're just going to get a bunch of sailors killed
You are just another troll that loves buzzwords
Buying obsolete subs 😂
Oh, Canaderp...
The Canadian government is talking with many European and Scandinavian countries in regards to the subs. They dont know how much 12 of them will cost or when they could receive them.
It'll be separate funds aside from the ship building program used to purchase the subs. Several countries even offered to let Canada join their existing and state of the art ship building programs and Korea even offered to set up facilities in Canada for a joint ship building program.
Where are you gone get the money from more carbon tax?
Non-Nuclear? Really, in a time we're so focused on fighting carbon producing emissions we're choosing to go diesel powered the least efficient for submarine use? While breaking the backs of all Canadians with a carbon tax? Really?
It took forever to decide on helicopters and now we need submarines. No in my lifetime. 🌊Another dismal joke and embarrassment.
Please buy brand new submarines!!
Canada needs to get to 2% spending.Or else we just look like idiots
TRUDEAU ON NATO: Climate change spending a part of Canada’s commitment He is nuts
We already look like idiots under Trudeau 🤨
Canada should be a neutral nation. All ee keep doing is painting a large target on the provinces and cities. All of this is total rhetoric. Canada has no war with Russia.
or we could simply build infrastructure, better healthcare and education for Canadians. It's our tax dollars.
Uum the crazy tax we pay should have all that and then some ,but trudope is the worst leader this country ever saw, @@jackwody7774
Hope not from the England, the last one leaked a lot and could not go safely on patrol
Subs that you couldn't DIVE and ships that couldn't FLOAT. Spent a year in Victoria and talking to procurement and Univ. types working p/t at the Federal yard.
LOL Diesel powered subs in the arctic , trudeau working for our axis again !
They had to get this settlement money grab done before the next election
First thing they will throw on is a 🏳️🌈
Do the subs come with their own fire departments
God I am so damn proud of Justin Trudeau.NOT
“A senior government source warned that the announcement would be light on details” LOL
And no timeline or budget attached to the submarine announcement.. Just a worthless announcement.
We all live in a Canadian submarine, Canadian submarine ....
NO MONEY FOR US WHO NEED HELP EATING AND HAVE PAID INCOME TAX FOR 30 YEARS THOUGH !
Canada could solve poverty with a UBI program. Currently, billions are spent to fund a variety of social service programs. UBI would replace them. There are indirect costs to poverty, including but not limited to health care and policing. UBI would reduce those costs. Billionaires and corporations can afford to pay more taxes to fund UBI.
Oh really! Canada bought from the UK the HMCS Victoria, Windsor, Cornerbrook and Chicoutimi for at least 1.4 billion. It cost the taxpayers billions to fix and upgrade the subs. For what we spent we could have bought the German type 212A fuel cell submarines and tailor them for Canada. Since we have a FREE Trade deal with the EU this should be a no brainer i hope. Cost is 2 billion EU
48 billion there's only 40 million people in Canada ffs
All I can say it’s about time we increase defence spending fancy technology being sold to the United States isn’t going to get us by forever
Canada should have beefed up defense when tRump first got into the Whitehouse, now it's even more critical 🤔
why is that?
@pattygreen8064 because for 1 tRump won't back us and for 2 it would employ a lot of people
Biden is pushing the world towards ww3 but good luck.
You must be blind, look what’s going on in Ukraine and Gaza…
@@Windsofchange2023 All created by the west and nato.
We don’t have money for Ontario science centre roof but we have money for subs? No money for food banks but we’ve got money for subs?
Would you prefer we allow our Arctic resources (including oil) be claimed and taken by Russia and China? Our land and waters are only sovereign as long as we actively assert sovereignty over them.
@@va3svd Balderdash.
@@bobsmith3983 Sorry, my bad. Our territorial sovereignty is easily maintained by imaginary lines on a map and positive vibes and healing crystals.
As a kid back in the 70s, the Ontario Science Center was cool. I returned back to Canada in 2014 only to discover that the OSC was nothing but a shell of its former glory. Halls once filled with interactive and hands-on displays were now just visual displays. Let it rot.
@@va3svd You're not going to war with Russia. As for China, they're far more willing to beat you internally and through soft power.
You having the resources but then having sweetheart deals with China will screw you over but keep people like you with the façade that your country is still totally independent.
Lab secrets stolen, elections interfered in, and yet we still have stupid deals like how we almost entirely subsidize light mail shipping costs from China because we still consider them a "3rd world country." What a joke. The US is our guarantor. They can talk all they want about letting NATO go but Canada is right next to them and it's why NORAD is run and funded by the US. It's why the Chinese spy balloon going over Canada was shot down by the Americans.
Ironic, in the 1990s the DND published a white paper recommending the creation of a 3 fleet navy. Pacific, Atlantic and Arctic. The Arctic whould consist of subs that could sail under the ice. This paper was presented to Brian Mulroney and was quashed as too expensive. 30yrs later and were back to were we began. Shows the level of bureaucracy and ineffectiveness of the government. I'd laugh if it takes 10yrs before we actually get the F-35s and by the time we received it all the other nations are already using 2nd generation stealth aircraft and drones.
The uk is ridiculous. Trying to ban pointy knives and now crossbows. Nobody tell them how deadly the combination of PVC pipe, twine, and a sharpened wooden dowel can be.
And now you know why the Spork was banned 😁
The UK politicians have been afraid of talking about the acid/alkaline attacks though.
Canada and Canadian people are broke we have no money and everything is way Way unaffordable 😑🇨🇦👎🏻
Saurry bauddy saurry bauddy
😍😍🇮🇳🇮🇳
Don't forget that this is a conservative priority, hence the poorly armed ice-breakers commissioned during the Harper government.
@@craigtucker1290 " priority from decades ago and done nothing 🇨🇦😑👎🏻
It is not as bad as during the depression of 1930's, yet we stood up against Nazi Germany. Canada went into a war time economy with rations, started manufacturing armaments. Canadian industry produced more than 800,000 military transport vehicles, 50,000 tanks, more than 16,400 aircraft ,40,000 field, naval, and anti-aircraft guns, and 1,700,000 small arms. All the Canadian military that went overseas were volunteers. Thankfully as we all would have been speaking German. That generation is referred to as the greatest generation but it appears the generation of today is not.
@@franceyneireland1633 it's worse than the Great depression of 1929 people can't afford food and are living on the street at -50 🙏👎🏻🇨🇦
Hey gloebel - how about some more on trump and project 2025?!
Do your job 😂😂😂
Anyone can present conflict scenario where those subs would play out?
"Biden says he's not going anywhere". How can you go anywhere, if you dont know where you are most of the time?
"Dr. John Gartner: The world is watching "a fundamental breakdown in Trump’s ability to use language". Experts say Trump's decline may be "caused by his incapacity to manage the stress caused by multiple indictments"
Trump continues to show more of these phonemic aphasias: “Venezuero” instead of Venezuela. He is also demonstrating semantic aphasias: “steak mountain or steak hill,” instead of “Snake mountain.” Trump is continuing to slur words. What is even more troubling is how Trump sometimes can’t form words at all but just makes sounds. “Saudi Arabia and Russia will…. bluh-ub-bll….” Salon
Ive been on a Canadian submarine. 'Course. It was in West Edmonton Mall. We were guarding The Gap 😅
And a big thank you for your service...
That's one they're putting in service
@@tylesveque2373 Well, the troops will be comfy then 🤣🤣
FFS IF THEY BUY USED SUBS AGAIN...
We need nuclear icebreakers and drones, not subs!
For those who do not live in coastal provinces, a submarine is a boat that operates primarily underwater. Useless and yet cool at the same time.
How much have we given to the Ukraine military.....😅 we can't fix our issues.
@jaymichaluk5261 Which also counts towards our 2% of GDP on defence. Military and financial assistance by one Ally to another, specifically to support the defence effort of the recipient, should be included in the defence expenditure of the donor nation and not in that of the recipient.
With respect to military and financial assistance to a partner country, Allies can report their contributions to eligible NATO-managed trust funds related to defence projects. Military equipment and weapons donated from national stocks to a partner country, as well as assistance by military personnel in training are already included,
I just hope we don't go for any more old British submarines.
I hope we get brand new German Type 212 submarines, they're brand new and modern and reliable. It's something I personally think Canada should have
No timeline to buy them, which means never.
The "up to" should be changed to "at least," or you know they're not gonna buy 12 subs. And NO used subs! 🤔
Didn't they already buy a bunch of decrepit subs? How did that work out?
These are new they said.
Like, 25 years ago. And the fire happened 20 years ago. They've worked fine since.
@@kutter_ttl6786 Because they spend most of their time in port.
Portugal also bought state-of-the-art subs many years ago. Took over a decade longer than expected to get them and then when they finally got them none of them worked properly.
Neither of these countries are arming because they think they need to. They're doing it to funnel money or pay back military contractors. So many people here still falling for it.
Look at the US go gung-ho over Ukraine, a country on the other side of the world than them. Canada has the US as its guarantor. We're in less of a need of a military than Iceland.
Great use of taxpayer money meanwhile no one can afford anything and more homeless everyday
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Ah, so let's just shut down the Canadian Armed Forces? Brilliant. You're invited to run for office on that platform.
@@dixonpinfold2582 Uh, you should restructure your expenses when you're in financial problems, yes.
Your style of argument is pathetic. Imagine your home is about to be foreclosed but you refuse to sell 2 of your 3 family vehicles, even though you would do just fine with 1.
The Soviet Union had immense military spending. Look how well it served them when it's the leading cause of their financial ruin.
@@CanadianEhHole The government of Canada wastes so much money that just turning off the taps on it would free up many billions for not only vital expenses but productive investment.
How about the $30bn Trudeau blew on the TMX pipeline? Response from Trudeau supporters and the Trudeau-cash-bloated corporate media: [crickets]
Just a quick question, how well did it work out with the previous 4 submarines your Liberal government bought?
INCOMPETENCE at it's finest.
Perhaps, we talk to the Germans about the Type 212. One of the BEST if not the BEST in the World.
Why are submarines required? Surface vessels are more appropriate for Arctic patrol.
@@bobsmith3983 Because they're funneling money to military contractors and usefulness is irrelevant. The best way to patrol the Artic is just to have a visible presence, so as to deter Russia. That's it. You're right. A war with Russia isn't worth some oil so anything covert is just asking for problems.
If we're buying non-nuclear, we should source from Sweden. They're not contracted to build for others so may have manufacturing capacity without delays. The Swedes have demonstrated these things are impressive: they've snuck up & "killed" US carriers in NATO games repeatedly.
We might be better set buying nuclear subs - the same ones Australia is buying. Between Oz & US purchases the volume might mean some economies of scale. Might also mean delays though.
The benefit of nuclear subs would be their ability to sit on the bottom & lurk in the Arctic on sentry duty, guarding against incursions from especially China, but also Russia & even the US.
> The benefit of nuclear subs would be their ability to sit on the bottom & lurk in the Arctic on sentry duty, guarding against incursions from especially China, but also Russia & even the US.
Totally asinine. Not even all the oil in the Arctic is worth starting a war with any of those countries. You want a physically visible presence to act as a deterrent. You do not want covert vessels.
The show of force is more important than the actual force available in this case. No sane person is under the mindset that Canada could hold its own against any of those 3 countries. And yes, NATO, but really that's just the US and the US will always fight for Canadian soil because of their vested interest. NATO isn't even needed for that, nor is Canadian military expenditures even.
Why subs when we have beavers?
Canadian beavers are not shaved therfore lose tactical advantage due to drag effects
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@@tylesveque2373 correct. What else would we have to defend the arctic?
@@JLineUp my igloo and polar bears
Please do news reports on Trump and his dementia
I don’t think Trump has Dementia.
This station, constant coverage of Joe Bidens debate for weeks... yet not a peep about the demetia gaffs of Trump or the crazy stuff he says every single day...
Thank god they got rain send it to BC
Interestingly, Australia predicted that a fleet of twelve submarines would allow the constant production of a submarine every two years to replace the submarines as they are decommisioned due to age hence preserving the expertise of the domestic labour needed to build them.
Canada should quit NATO
No, Canada should spend its 2 % instead of talking about it for the last eight years.
@@paulcarfantan6688 Why not, the only country that ever attacked Canada was the US
@@paulcarfantan6688 NATO is a warmongering organisation that wants to go to war with China next...
@@paulcarfantan6688 Why
Dismantle Nato or walk out, Ukraine War is not our War...with weak Economy, nation cant afford to spend money on Submarines
Weak economy? Where have you been?
Sorry but how about just buying one really high-quality submarine, at least they’ll function correctly.
Two nuclear subs instead of a dozen non nuclear.
I would rather better health care and better roads than 2 per cent of the gdp for the USA/Nato military .
Get out of NATO, get the Subs from Germany
NATO is the only reason we can get away with spending nothing on our own defense.
Might as well by dog sled teams. Conventional subs are no defence against the newer nuclear subs…
Get subs from Sweden, they got it all figured. They are compact and deadly.
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defend the arctic from who?. waste of money again
The USA says the North is an international waterway so no point in us defending it. Plus it’s a lie that other countries are operating in our Arctic.
Norwegian, Russian, Chinese, Americans using the artic commercial sea route. We should charge them to enter just like Suez Canal, Gibraltar, Panama, etc.
@@ngoctruongpaulnguyen6503 none of those countries recognize or claim to those waters. We’re conducting FON in the Taiwan straight with the USA, soon we’ll be doing that with the USA through the NWP. lol
@@jeffhedrich3551 it's not just about the nwp, which the US claims are international water ways. It's also about claim to resources opening up in the Arctic due to climate change.
@@ngoctruongpaulnguyen6503 I agree. but we dont need subs for that.
Still afraid of the big boy nuclear boats.
I’m surprised the comments aren’t turned off
Isn’t that just CBC?
Buy or rent to own? Will it get kicked out of rimpac for noise as well?
why are they for sale in the first place?
Poilievre would've bought nuclear subs
PP’s old boss made deep cuts to defence to “balance the budget”, he’ll do the same; he has no intention of meeting the 2% target. Why do you think he avoids talking about defence?
Oh dear god, the feds announce up to 12 diesel/aip/battery boats, any one got 50 years to waste to see all three leased from who knows where. Just know the arctic ocean is rough on conventional boats, there physically uncomfortable onboard in the cold.
Twelve floating mattresses to defend the Arctic is all we can afford.
Subs are fine but 2 Canadian made nuclear ice breakers could really create a northwest passage and they could break ice for many other ships that could follow them. We could rival the Panama Canal with the northwest passage. They could double for military and civillian uses
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Ada should have done this 30 years ago instead of now I don't know what the hell even sit why they've been sitting on this for so long and that also includes conservative governments as well. They've all failed, not just the liberals, so please don't just blame it. On the liberals, all the governments of the day have failed 30 years ago, this should have been done. Instead of shutting down shipyards, they should have open making them bigger and building bigger ships to protect the Arctic and to protect their sovereignty.Right now we're sitting ducks
@bobhearn7402 I agree! Diefenbaker cut Canada'a defense spending from 5% of GDP to about 2% over six years from about 1957-1964, Athough he was pressured from the US as the US wanted the majory of arms manufacturing done in the US to a NATO standard. Plus the voting public at the time having been thru WW1 and WW2 were known to say never again. Canada buys a lot of of its major military hardware from the USA. Since the 1970s under both the Liberals and Conservative military spending went down around 1% of GDP. The lowest percentage was under Harper at .09%.
At that time no one expected the likes of Trump who has said he wants to leave NATO and any country not spending 2% of GDP on defence that Russia can do what it wants. Canada needs to restart armaments manufacturing as we have the raw materials and it would create jobs and improve the economy. Although we lack the modern technology, Canada could approach US armaments industries to start manufacturing in Canada too or industries in other NATO countries to start manufacturing in Canada too. During WW2 Canadian industry produced more than 800,000 military transport vehicles, 50,000 tanks, over 16 000 military aircraft ,40,000 field, naval, and anti-aircraft guns, and 1,700,000 small arms.
Will the subs balance themselves ?
That is Conservative propaganda. "The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy and the budget will balance itself."
So just in case it is not painfully obvious, what Trudeau was saying was that when the economy grows, balanced budgets are more likely. Growth means more jobs. More jobs means more tax revenues to governments, which helps offset government expenditures, and should mean less government spending on the social safety net. Taken in context it seems entirely reasonable.
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@@davidblazevic3125 Instead of countering, you ask the favorite question of those who fall for conservative propaganda.
What's there to defend against? A polar bear? The protection money is so subtle
russia has claimed most of the Arctic ocean,almost all the way to Cdn waters, with russian and chinese ships in the Arctic past 2 years at least ,&almost for sure are russian subs inside Cdn waters in the High Arctic ,in and among the islands there .. and with the Northwest passage becoming a reality if it isnt already ,with gas and oil fields worth billions if not trillions of dollars becoming accessible
@@mnufeld8448 If you have submarines, stop it? Hit it? Sink it? Use sonar to warn it? Who do you think will be afraid? Russia has a lot of nuclear bombs, so what is there to be afraid of?
@@zhantangbai7295 sonar can be used yes ,active pinging to warn , this against other subs ,Canada with Arctic patrol ships now doing surface patrols in the Arctic ,also in concert with US vessels .. & things like pinging a peacetime measure , in wartime would be warshots,torpedoes being fired . as to nukes ,well if russia uses those, it dies too,Nato with just as many nukes as russia ,&Canada part of Nato .. I mean nobody wins a nuclear war ,I thought everybody knew that
@@mnufeld8448 Buying submarines won't change the outcome
@@mnufeld8448 Surface patrols, having a presence to deter Russian and Chinese entry, is the only real good use of Canadian military there. These subs for the Arctic are pointless. They can't engage, the point is to not be visible so they're not visible deterrence...
Let me guess though, these subs will have a higher price tag on them than the surface vessels Canada has.
How old is this garage we buying....
Do they float or sink ?
We should be spending money on surface ships like the Type 25 ships. They can do everything we need and they don’t just get crushed by a shock wave. Surface ships have aircraft on stow and they are multi purpose. Subs only have 1 purpose. That means they’re gonna be used in foreign waters.
Finally new submarines.
was ever anyone attacked Canada from the north?
April 2021 Putin formally enlarged its claim to the seabed in the Arctic Ocean all the way to Canada's and Greenland's (Denmark's) exclusive zones. A situation where they're claiming Canadian and Danish continental shelf as the Russian continental shelf. Be prepared to loose it if Canada can't run patrols or defend it. If you believe they will stop there you are naive. In 2018 Beijing agreed it would cooperate with Russia on a new Arctic silk route, signing 20 bilateral documents and agreeing to invest in the region. As part of this Beijing will build several Chinese docks across Russia's north in ports.
According to a 2011 report Soviet Cold-War-era nautical charts of the Canadian Arctic marked with the hammer and sickle symbol surfaced published by the Russian Hydrographic Service which are more accurate than those of Canada. These charts contained many more depth soundings than corresponding modern Canadian charts. Including Nares Strait is still choked with thick, hard, multi-year ice and would have been even more so 50 years ago, the only way the Soviet government could have acquired data for the charts is from nuclear submarines secretly patrolling it.
In the last 15 years Putin has restored an abandoned military base and built 7 or 8 new modern bases, which are used all year around and are fully armed. Russia has 40 or more icebreakers and nuclear subs capable of surfacing thru 1.5240 m of solid ice. If Canada is not capable of patrolling it's arctic 24-7 or defending it, be prepared to loose it. I have doubts if Russia will stop at Canada's arctic.