Just How Hard is the Galibier? (Two Amateurs Attempt Tour de France Cut-Off Pace)

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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @MitchBoyer
    @MitchBoyer 5 месяцев назад +168

    This was such a fun ride! I’m glad we filmed it so I could see what the top of the climb looks like-I was so deep I only saw the road in front of me 😂😂

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад +14

      The next day was the one that hurt me the most!

    • @MitchBoyer
      @MitchBoyer 5 месяцев назад +9

      @@CamNicholls me too 😵 excited to start editing that one!

    • @Meno0583
      @Meno0583 2 месяца назад +1

      I hope you climbed the other side. As a french guy it was my first great col I climbed at maybee 13 years old and a very good souvenir. The other side from saint Michel de Maurienne is longer and harder.
      If you come back to France Mont Ventoux is an absolute must do. Due to the fact that contrary to zwift, the weather is a really large part of its complexity. I just did this year le grand Colombier from Artemarre, this one has a 400m passage at average gradient of 18%, really impressive moreover with not a smooth pavement. I think it is a must do too. But as you know a lot of cols are part of the tour de France legend and they are all in my opinion to be climbed.
      Nice vidéo guys and funny to see how altitude impacted your performances. All in one you are bye far better than me and what you did was courageous and more when taking into account nearly 12h jet lag.

    • @MitchBoyer
      @MitchBoyer 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Meno0583 We climbed it (and a few other climbs) the next day. It's the latest video on my channel if you wanna check it out :)

    • @Meno0583
      @Meno0583 2 месяца назад +1

      @@MitchBoyer i'm gonna watch it now. Thank you 😍

  • @ryangolder705
    @ryangolder705 5 месяцев назад +111

    “Sorry Mitch, is it alright if I call you a dickhead?”
    Classic hahahaha

    • @Lillee1969
      @Lillee1969 5 месяцев назад +2

      At least he asked politely 😆

  • @global_nomad.
    @global_nomad. 5 месяцев назад +71

    rode the galibier in the Etape 2022 - 1hr 37 and 2.6w/kg av Watts 212W for the segment on strava - i was 54 at the time....seeing this just reminds us that when watching on tv, it's really hard to do justice to the speed the pros are going up

    • @timpattydaechsel5988
      @timpattydaechsel5988 5 месяцев назад +5

      Awesome! I also rode the 2022 L’Etape ….. , got up the Galibier fairly easily, around 3 watts/kg….. but struggled mightily going up the Alp D’Huez at about little over 2 watts/kg …… the pros just don’t seem to get tired as Sepp Kuss set a new KOM AFTER doing Galibier and Col de Fir and it was as hot a day for them as it was us …… that’s incomprehensible next level

    • @global_nomad.
      @global_nomad. 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@timpattydaechsel5988 ha ha, dont talk to me about Alpe d'huez...had to stop several times on the way up on both etape and marmote

    • @gourami7
      @gourami7 5 месяцев назад

      They really looked like they were flying up, especially Pogicar

    • @LukeSkywalker-io2bh
      @LukeSkywalker-io2bh 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@timpattydaechsel5988They've got lighter bikes, better gear, a team taking care of them and their inhalers. Use to think they were awesome. Not anymore.

  • @rsam346
    @rsam346 5 месяцев назад +28

    More of this content Cam! This is great. So good to see you having fun with it

  • @PixelVibe42
    @PixelVibe42 5 месяцев назад +7

    My favourite climb! Have completed it 8 times now, but thankfully only ever felt the impact of altitude once - and that was a surprise when it happened. Best day on a bike was doing the Galibier with my son, we enjoyed it so much we turned around at the bottom and went straight back up again!

  • @deanluke2182
    @deanluke2182 5 месяцев назад +7

    The views are awesome. Thanks to the both of you for keeping it real.

  • @altern8tive
    @altern8tive 5 месяцев назад +23

    The other side from Valloire is more a challenge but your main view is limited somewhat by a wall of mountain lol. The landscape on the Lautaret side, especially looking over the Meije glaciers and down the valley to Briançon are to die for 👍

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад +7

      We did that the following day. I believe today they’re going up this side, hence the choice for this video 👍

  • @GCPerformance18
    @GCPerformance18 5 месяцев назад +19

    Cam got that 90 cadence, love to see it

    • @MitchBoyer
      @MitchBoyer 5 месяцев назад +4

      Wait until you see his cadence the next day on Alpe d'Huez

  • @rolandmarichal1250
    @rolandmarichal1250 5 месяцев назад +3

    My opinion, this is by far your best vid!

  • @vaughanc4919
    @vaughanc4919 5 месяцев назад +5

    Love it. The altitude is a very real 'thing'! I live at 1200m so am acclimatised to riding high, however when I return from a couple of weeks at sea level just climbing stairs is labourious

  • @klein-concept
    @klein-concept 5 месяцев назад +5

    Wicked episode guys. Good to see you both together 🫶

  • @nateconwi
    @nateconwi 5 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for the video. that view from the top is amazing.

  • @jamesfearn
    @jamesfearn 5 месяцев назад +3

    Great and funny video. Love the collaboration!

  • @Real28
    @Real28 5 месяцев назад +2

    Mitch absolutely sending his HR so far north of 190 for so long is crazy. Cardiac tissue got a nice workout but DAMN.

  • @eoincampbell-flyfishermana4737
    @eoincampbell-flyfishermana4737 4 месяца назад

    This was a great report! Well done for the attempt, guys!
    In June 1989 I retraced Stephen Roche's '87 Tour for charity and climbed the Lautaret & Galibier on the stage that started with the Glibber, then Madeleine and finished in the historic La Plagne ski resort. This took me right back. I'll be 60 in September and will attempt to redo this stage next late spring/early summer... Such torture we put ourselves through for the love of this 'activity'... and yet, what incalculable reward! 👌🇮🇪☘😉

  • @joegamas1194
    @joegamas1194 5 месяцев назад +2

    Talk about an epic ride, well done, well done 👍 awesome video 👏💪

  • @casparwhittey
    @casparwhittey 5 месяцев назад +1

    super entertaining - really cool content and super fun to actually see a decent competition for the top

  • @struancochrane753
    @struancochrane753 5 месяцев назад +3

    Great video, it just shows what Cav and others have to do today......not to mention the 2000meters of elevation gain they have done before the start this climb.

  • @derfx89
    @derfx89 5 месяцев назад +2

    Excellent video, love the banter and self-deprecating humor! 1:08 calling Col du Galibier a hill is certainly a first 😁

    • @Swampster70
      @Swampster70 5 месяцев назад

      Well, that side is a hill, in comparison to the other side. :P

  • @bike-minded
    @bike-minded 5 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, the scenery is awesome - pure gold.

  • @TheBassallyear100
    @TheBassallyear100 5 месяцев назад +3

    great job! love seeing you both collaborate

  • @CycoWarriorx
    @CycoWarriorx 5 месяцев назад +9

    Great video Cam… those views… 🔥🔥🔥…. I’m still 🤣🤣🤣 over that penetrated breathing… 😂😂😂

  • @Jamesashleycoyle
    @Jamesashleycoyle 5 месяцев назад +1

    Killer edit! Love the crossover content ❤

  • @karlburningham3604
    @karlburningham3604 2 месяца назад

    That footage is insane. Top efforts lads.

  • @CrescentRollCarl
    @CrescentRollCarl 5 месяцев назад

    I live in the US at just over 8000 feet in the Rockies. A similar altitude to the top of the Galibier. I always love watching sea level guys come up here and try to do some of our climbs. Altitude sickness is real. That said, you guys did great. Loved the video.

  • @robjones7556
    @robjones7556 2 месяца назад

    Great video Cam. Done a couple of trips to France (Alps and Ventoux) this summer and this was definitely the most scenic. I know it is the easy side but definitely worth doing, although that last km does have a nasty kick!

  • @gemmumma8354
    @gemmumma8354 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great vid, Cam. Really enjoyed.

  • @michaelb1716
    @michaelb1716 5 месяцев назад

    Fantastic video! This puts into perspective how the likes of Mark Cavendish and the other sprinters are incredible climbers capable of beyond what the vast majority are able to do. When then makes the true climbers seem even more freakish! You fellas are miles above average and rode a great climb! 💪

  • @Dav0London
    @Dav0London 5 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, it hurts to watch this video. Kudos to you both for reaching the peak. Peace.

  • @shannonparker7404
    @shannonparker7404 5 месяцев назад +5

    Bloke. Seriously. When you reflect on your start on the Yoootoobs and then you create this mad content, it must be hard to believe the journey you have made. Bravo. Nice work. Holding over 320 watts for 12 minutes is no average effort. Swap to Marlboro menthols?

  • @hunters641
    @hunters641 5 месяцев назад +1

    The joys of altitude without acclimation. Very entertaining 😊

  • @richardggeorge
    @richardggeorge 5 месяцев назад +3

    If you want a cycling altitude challenge try riding Idaho Springs (altitude 2208m) to the summit of Mt Evans (4307m) in Colorado. 45km climb of 2208m! Took me 4 hours at fat ass 93kg (sprinter). It certainly was a shock to the system after flying in from Australia !

    • @richardggeorge
      @richardggeorge 5 месяцев назад

      Love your work! Stay safe over there. I found it was quite easy to crack 100km/h at altitude.

  • @kennedystuart5685
    @kennedystuart5685 5 месяцев назад

    Way to go guys. You guys are beasts on the bike. Truly inspired by the climb. Time to get my ass moving. Lol.

  • @shaunluckham1418
    @shaunluckham1418 5 месяцев назад +1

    A school friend and I did the Galibier same week as we did Alp D’Huez and I’d say I found the Galibier more fun, maybe I was better prepared than when we did Alp D’Huez. We were both in our 40s when we did them.

  • @goodcompanycoffee
    @goodcompanycoffee 5 месяцев назад +1

    Sick editing and choice of music

  • @n22pdf
    @n22pdf 5 месяцев назад +1

    Brilliant guys love this kind of vid.. hard ride man wow well done dudes.. altitude looks like a killer.. Pete 🚴🏻👍💪🚴‍♀️

  • @nicholkid
    @nicholkid 5 месяцев назад +1

    What a beautiful climb, would love to do it.

  • @davidanderson215
    @davidanderson215 5 месяцев назад

    A few years back I drove from sea level to Lone Pine. The next day I climbed Mt Whitney (8,000' to 14,505'). Interesting experience.

  • @TESTA-CC
    @TESTA-CC 5 месяцев назад

    Quality Lads, Thanks from the UK 🖖

  • @chriswitek9455
    @chriswitek9455 5 месяцев назад

    drove from around 640 feet of elevation where i live to colorado where the start of pikes peak is like 7400 feet and rode to the top of that. 4 hours at 55rpm and like 170bpm later i "sprinted" at the top with like 600w cuz thats all i had left

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f 5 месяцев назад +9

    Probably the two most likable guys on RUclips. Very interesting premise, and then to see live data during the ride. I WILL NOT be trying this 😀

  • @kevinteig8693
    @kevinteig8693 5 месяцев назад +1

    That was a good watch!

  • @duanebosch9508
    @duanebosch9508 5 месяцев назад +3

    My wife and I took 3 1/2 hours to get up Monte Grappa. The record is less than an hour.

  • @songfta
    @songfta 5 месяцев назад

    I rode the Galibier 5 days after you and that last bit after the tunnel is definitely hard! I maintained about 3.1 w/kg over the whole distance from the Col du Lauteret and it was a LOT. It's a helluva climb, though, and the scenery distracts from the pain.

  • @newday89
    @newday89 5 месяцев назад

    What a great production.. so entertaining and inspiring.. great job guys

  • @zingleraster9124
    @zingleraster9124 5 месяцев назад

    Awesome ride & video. On my Wishlist….

  • @benduncan4027
    @benduncan4027 5 месяцев назад +35

    If this is grupetto, then what the GC guys are doing 😳

    • @stevengordon-head2420
      @stevengordon-head2420 5 месяцев назад +10

      Simon Yates was tempo at 450w a few weeks ago then he took off for the stage win

    • @carl-axelhallgren9401
      @carl-axelhallgren9401 5 месяцев назад +1

      Likely above 7w/kg 😅

    • @serdiezv
      @serdiezv 5 месяцев назад +7

      Contador said that to be in top form for the Tour he aimed for 7 w/kg in the FTP test

    • @thedronescene7474
      @thedronescene7474 5 месяцев назад

      I see both of you are using the Coros Dura. Surprised 😮

    • @philipk4475
      @philipk4475 5 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah this is gruppeto pace, eg big sprinter boys like Jacobsen are doing this with weeks of racing in their legs

  • @Greg.Sutton
    @Greg.Sutton 5 месяцев назад

    Ridden that segment back in summer 2020 (yes lockdown) as guy i used to go to school with, owns a B&B is Le Bourg D'Osains and i stayed with him. I managed a whopping 54:33 @ 2.2wkg - trouble is i stopped for a further 8min 40secs so it was actaully 1hr 03min to cover the segement. Altitude really kicked my butt, i have to say, and this was the first time i felt it properly as had ridden a few "deux millie" cols prior but nothing this high.

  • @jerrycampion
    @jerrycampion 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great spin guys lots of suffering!

  • @xuchenglin6256
    @xuchenglin6256 5 месяцев назад

    Yeah the altitude is real! The first time I encounter that was when I went for a cycling trip to Qinghai Lake (3000 meter above sea level). When I was just ride along with family it all feels good except you become more easily out of breath. But later when I tried to do some effort... that is crucial... it mostly just moves your threshold. 250 watts feels like 300, which is about my threshold at sea level. And it takes way more effort to recover. It hurt me so much both physically and mentally so that I didn't bother sleep that night but went to do some researching into the impact of altitude to cycling performance. It turns out that at 3000m you should expect a 20% loss in power. However because the air is less dense, you should expect not as much a speed drop at flat. However it didn't feel exactly that way either... Lung just explodes! BTW there's an UCI stage race there and a lot of research data on altitude is from this race -- not so many pro races take place at this high altitude. However it's very different to feel it first hand even if you thought you know the theory. It's devastating! Plus side is when you return to your sea level, you'll have your super power, for... about 2 weeks. For me it's threshold pace becomes easy-ish pace and you'll suspect your watch's broken.

  • @Quivivravelo
    @Quivivravelo 5 месяцев назад +7

    OMG you came to my country haahah can't believe it !!!

    • @Mr_Zzzeee
      @Mr_Zzzeee 5 месяцев назад +1

      WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?!?!

    • @choanlpoto
      @choanlpoto 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Mr_Zzzeee like almost 0 right ??? who would came to France to road bike

    • @tt-tk9076
      @tt-tk9076 5 месяцев назад

      🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @veloperformance
    @veloperformance 5 месяцев назад

    So much fun, love it.

  • @bitminerbob6731
    @bitminerbob6731 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great vid. Got to admit that descent would have worried me, with those wet corners!! That looks sketchy af.

  • @NeilKasselman
    @NeilKasselman 5 месяцев назад +2

    I guess don't come to the Andes then... We start a 31km, 6% climb at 3000m and it summits at 4600m..thats the biggest road pass in my area though we have some bigger, higher gravel climbs.

  • @nicholasc.niggli6307
    @nicholasc.niggli6307 5 месяцев назад

    @MitchBoyer - Thanks for sharing this great ride and superb landscapes! What selfie stick is this, that you can attach to the front of the roadbike ? Thanks!

  • @jamesmckenzie3532
    @jamesmckenzie3532 5 месяцев назад

    Awesome to see the ride. I have planned to do the Zwift version tomorrow. I just need something to simulate the altitude.

    • @iddn
      @iddn 5 месяцев назад +1

      Cigarettes

    • @jamesmckenzie3532
      @jamesmckenzie3532 5 месяцев назад

      @@iddn Racers used to smoke, not anymore.

  • @dominicbritt
    @dominicbritt 5 месяцев назад +1

    More Alpine mountains please - my happy place.

  • @DaveWills23
    @DaveWills23 5 месяцев назад

    Just done Le Marmotte up it last week, horrific but incredible climb.

  • @JanKowalski-pe9lo
    @JanKowalski-pe9lo 3 месяца назад

    That Mitch cassette... Bigger than mine mtb one xD. He did prepared himself for sure ;).

  • @andrewcaligiuri2722
    @andrewcaligiuri2722 5 месяцев назад

    How did you mount your insta360 camera? I have an S5 Cervelo which have wide/flat intergraded handlebars (similar to the BMC) and have struggled to find a mount that is secure enough to hold the weight of the camera with similar set up (carbon pole)

  • @rodcosta2345
    @rodcosta2345 5 месяцев назад +1

    Damn boys, great day!

  • @5teve85
    @5teve85 5 месяцев назад

    Absolutely fantastic video and music, well done! Will you get over to col de la Croix de fur / glandon? My favourite day on the bike, highly recommend!!

  • @briansteele2723
    @briansteele2723 5 месяцев назад +1

    You should sign up for La Marmótte guys, you get to do Croix de fer, Mollard, Telegraphe, Valloire, Galibier then Huez! I'm 51 and made it, just!

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад

      We did that the next day. Pretty much. Mitch will have a video up soon. You’re right, it destroyed me.

    • @mikemiller5052
      @mikemiller5052 5 месяцев назад

      I did that in 1987. Without planning to do it. I just happened to be in the area with my bike and decided to sign up. Very dumb move. Took me about 10 hours to get back to the base of Alp DHuez. I bagged it at that point.

  • @FaiscaaaH
    @FaiscaaaH 5 месяцев назад +10

    Welcome to the alps 💪💪💪
    Galibier said hello

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад

      I am still feeling the French Alps. I think I am sick TBH hahaha. The day after this one Mitch and I did a 188km loop. Almost killed me.

    • @FaiscaaaH
      @FaiscaaaH 5 месяцев назад

      @@CamNicholls You are a tough one, you can handle it !!! Chapeau mate

  • @hernanhernandez3861
    @hernanhernandez3861 5 месяцев назад

    Wout van Aert is also around 78 kilos. Imagine the watts he had to hold when he won on Mont Ventoux (2x ascent!). I like Mitch's "boom boom" move at the end....

    • @philipk4475
      @philipk4475 5 месяцев назад

      420 W +- 5% is my guess

  • @fastestmilkman3840
    @fastestmilkman3840 5 месяцев назад +1

    Try col de croix de fer from Vaujany side, the view is even more special.

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад +1

      We did a that the following day. It was a 190km loop I’ll never forget haha

  • @dominicbritt
    @dominicbritt 5 месяцев назад +1

    Did Mitch bin the gruppetto run to save for the race?😁

  • @Bazza1968
    @Bazza1968 5 месяцев назад

    At sea level oxygen is 20.9%...at 2,600m you're down to 15% or so.... I live at 300m and train between 3-600m(19-20%), always have a bit more "oomph" down at sea level when visiting the folks! (Could be worse on Everest it's 6.9%....)

  • @englishteacherdon
    @englishteacherdon 4 месяца назад +1

    This is what cycling looked like before EPO in 1991. People actually got tired.

  • @Seanobb
    @Seanobb 5 месяцев назад

    oomg... imagine if they had chest cameras on some riders during a stage like this during the tour. that would be insane!

  • @clairenelson3095
    @clairenelson3095 5 месяцев назад +2

    Ryan is in trouble on return!

  • @grantmcalpine6364
    @grantmcalpine6364 5 месяцев назад

    That was awesome.

  • @samuelabbott5181
    @samuelabbott5181 4 месяца назад

    Does anyone know what he uses to overlay the data on his videos? What equipment to get the data and what software to overlay it?

  • @global_nomad.
    @global_nomad. 5 месяцев назад

    stage 4 TdF 2024... UAE smashing it up the Galibier...awesome show of strength

  • @clint9470
    @clint9470 5 месяцев назад

    scenery is amazing ♥

  • @lukacalov1988
    @lukacalov1988 5 месяцев назад

    Amazing video
    Do Tourmalet next

  • @jaydeister9305
    @jaydeister9305 5 месяцев назад

  • @ThomasLantz-k9z
    @ThomasLantz-k9z 5 месяцев назад

    Great video! What's the second background music track from 1:15-4:10 ? Thx

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад

      I can’t recall off the cuff. I’ll try and come back to this.

    • @ThomasLantz-k9z
      @ThomasLantz-k9z 5 месяцев назад

      @@CamNicholls appreciate it

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад

      @@ThomasLantz-k9z ruclips.net/video/bPENTmN3LpU/видео.htmlsi=MNRL8RsA_PwsZXMq

  • @burgess_and_his_bike
    @burgess_and_his_bike 5 месяцев назад

    Makes you appreciate the dudes sitting at the back. I think this provides perspective. Sprinters aren’t just phoning it in

  • @SeanWhite-k1m
    @SeanWhite-k1m 5 месяцев назад

    Cam,
    What did you use for gearing?

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f 5 месяцев назад

    At $40 USD per ounce, who is this Ketone stuff for? What do independent test and research say about it?

  • @tommyg5971
    @tommyg5971 5 месяцев назад

    curious what gearing you both used?

  • @jean-francoismoro6207
    @jean-francoismoro6207 5 месяцев назад

    I looked everywhere how to attach my insta360 to my aero handlebar but I couldn't find a good solution anywhere. I'm curious how you managed.
    thx and great Video 👌

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад

      Use a handlebar mount into a GoPro mount that sits under your head unit. It’s not intended for that but it works. There’s a piece on the handlebar mount that goes into a go pro mount.

  • @-P-Z-
    @-P-Z- 5 месяцев назад

    Legends!

  • @reddiver7293
    @reddiver7293 5 месяцев назад

    Striking difference in handlebar width. The narrower one seems too close for proper breathing on sustained, intense climbs.
    Props to both riders, though!

  • @JAViewer
    @JAViewer 5 месяцев назад

    Do you have a video explaining % and degrees?

  • @bicycle56
    @bicycle56 5 месяцев назад

    Cam. What gearing were you both using?

  • @Allthingsblaise
    @Allthingsblaise 5 месяцев назад

    Cam, tell us about your strength program. Your quad looks like that of a bodybuilder

  • @tariqcollins2609
    @tariqcollins2609 5 месяцев назад +1

    9:14 yo this looks so sketchhhhhh my goodness I’d be scared

  • @onlyonecjb001
    @onlyonecjb001 5 месяцев назад

    Nice one gents 👌🏻

  • @lodvaessen
    @lodvaessen 5 месяцев назад +1

    Are you on Galibier today?

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  5 месяцев назад

      Yes in the Visma back car / van

  • @shepshape2585
    @shepshape2585 5 месяцев назад +2

    I'd feel bad for you both, but alas, while not being able to keep groupeto pace up the climb, you still got to ride in some of the most beautiful scenery in the world. I'd rather ride up that climb at a super easy pace and enjoy the scenery than suffer up it and not be able to enjoy all of that.

  • @PizzaPizzaPizzq
    @PizzaPizzaPizzq 5 месяцев назад

    What is the last song?

  • @PW-CreakySaddle
    @PW-CreakySaddle 5 месяцев назад

    what gear ratio used?

  • @ronnyhormann262
    @ronnyhormann262 5 месяцев назад

    ... es ist ein harter anstieg !!!

  • @andreemurray7039
    @andreemurray7039 5 месяцев назад

    What was your gearing?

  • @dorseykindler9544
    @dorseykindler9544 2 месяца назад

    Would September be a good month to replicate this climb?

  • @AdamEwart
    @AdamEwart 5 месяцев назад +1

    I think the star of the show here is your lower jaw, Cam. Holding perfect extreme trauma pose the whole way up! 😅 (and you at least managed to avoid any traffic fines 😉)

  • @adamweb
    @adamweb 5 месяцев назад

    0:13 This is the first time I've heard penetrate used as an adjective LOL

  • @veganpotterthevegan
    @veganpotterthevegan 5 месяцев назад +1

    Mitch needed a full bidon full of ketones