Why Nicolas Uribe Our painted lives is not fine art painting, a response to Stephen Bauman Form
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I am not having the dumbing down of Fine art painting and drawing, that is why i had to make this video. Painting is not a popularity contest, it is a search for the truths in the human condition through ones experience. Basic drawing has form mass and space. Read Harold Speed. Robert Henri and Leonardo da Vinci, to understand form values in drawing. Other videos Part 1 • Art Video rant, why co... Part 2 • Fine art figurative dr... Part 3 • Why Atelier Art renewa...
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I am not having the dumbing down of Fine art painting and drawing, that is why i had to make this video. Painting is not a popularity contest, it is a search for the truths in the human condition through ones experience. Basic drawing has form mass and space. Read Harold Speed. Robert Henri and Leonardo da Vinci, to understand form values in drawing. Other videos Part 1 ruclips.net/video/a4zEYvRmTwc/видео.html Part 2 ruclips.net/video/s44SXntl_Jc/видео.html Part 3 ruclips.net/video/j1-FOAGLHDM/видео.html
@@BetterCallSol-hn2yl No they use photos, their approach is awful i explain this in my other videos on them, because like you they believe the dumbed down nonsense that painting is a form of photographic copying and illusion, when it has to do with understanding what you paint in terms of form, mass colour, and space. Painting is not about a prescribed technique, the technique is based on the principle of understanding and expressing what you are painting.
No i know the artists, they use photos as well. I know people who have attended. Many of the teachers there also paint from photos like Cesar Santos. It is not just solely about painting the model, it is the mentality behind your understanding of the model in terms of form mass light colour and how 'you' interpret. They see painting as a photo and a uniform photographic technique, painting and drawing is much more complex than that, that is why the work does not work, like Uribe's . Painting is fundamentally related to sculpture and not the photo.@@BetterCallSol-hn2yl
I explain all this in my art videos, because they misinterpret the Bargue plates as a form of 2d copying, this was not their purpose. so they fundamentally they start teach the student that painting is a photographic copy, when it is form of translating the three dimensions. It is not simply a technique of rendering. Yes good they teach and structure, but they then represent it in a superficial way like Uribe, that does not convince of the drawing qualities i speak of, it is also about looking, your own eye understanding and comprehending. @@BetterCallSol-hn2yl
@@BetterCallSol-hn2yl I state clearly what is wrong in my videos in my 3 videos the Bargue plates. It is about a mind set that is being incorrectly taught, that sees painting as photographic illusionistic copying, when is is not that. I know what goes on there as i know people who attended them, i know the artist who teach their and know they use photos. The problem is people like you who do not comprehend panting and drawing, and who get their understanding from rubbish Uribe videos. If i was you i would study painters from the past because you clearly do not understand the subject.
@@BetterCallSol-hn2yl Good, it is a shame they forget about it like Uribe has done.
I am lucky enough to have worked alongside Nicolas Uribe, painting for many hours from life. He is a remarkable draftsman and teacher. Maybe find out more about him before you judge him only on his RUclips channel?
I know about him and know people who have modelled for him, it is a shame that he has tailored his work to be popular, rather than a true fine artist of any depth. I know the top critics in the UK and the top artists. so you can stop patronising me.
What's the point of bragging about the people you know ? Post at least some of your work instead of ranting about someone else work. You seem way too dogmatic to me. @@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164
You are a simpleton, that is why@@MunisaiShinmen
Woah!!!! This trite bullshit is actually real?
Sir you are an absolute blow hard and it’s hilarious how fucking upset you are with your own skills to make a RUclips channel to shit on an extremely lovely painter who absolutely paints from life and captures so much emotion in his subjects
lol. You act so educated but are so unaware. Brit’s lol
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164where can we check out some of your artwork? I'd be interested to see it. :)
And I’m not sure it’s fair to say Uribe is “copying” he explores the 2d image and reinterprets it. He reinterprets light, color, and often line. His work doesn’t look like photos. I don’t think he is setting out to “trick” people. His work is genuinely his
It is illustration, not figurative fine art painting in the drawing sense.
Don't side with these commercial artists, they are scams, uribe is garbage
Sir. You are a dipshit.
Illustration is when you are doing work for someone else to illustrate their concepts or ideas and getting paid for it.
He is painting to paint and educate. How are you so upset with your self?
Do you actually have an idea of what Fine Arts is? You are talking about academic classicism your ideas are stuck in neoclassicism... Also your three dimensional vision might be damaged if you can't see the volume in Uribes paintings and drawings.
No it is just basic drawing practice, it is taught in any basic book of drawing. Read Harold Speed , you clearly are clueless.
Yeahhhh don't you kNoW he's been in the aRtS for 30 years??? He clearly knows about the thing
@@someones_daughter_ Yes he is an illustrator he does not do fine art, i am sure he know this himself. His work is light weight.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 no serious artist would use terms like lightweight and 'top level'. I think you need to lay off the blow my dude
@@someones_daughter_ I know my art, unlike you, who is youtube educated I personally know William Feaver who is Freud's biographer. Uribe is a photo copyist lightweight, whose work contains no drawing, and is as long lasting as bubble gum before you spit it out.
this gave me a good laugh. godspeed you little weirdo
You are thick
@mahonsunto best comment … ever.
@@esmershrillda You are thick too
I don't understand why you're so upset over people not following an atelier style of working when they don't claim to be following it. He's not trying to bamboozle anyone. People are allowed to have different goals for their work. Have fun being upset I guess.
True, i do not follow a atelier style, want people to know there is another side to fine art
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164but why doing that, by hating another person's work, who is not claiming to be those things you mention?
It is not hating, i have to stand up for fine art painting, it is not photo copying.@@alejandromoralesgonz
Lolol.
1. Nicolas has painted multiple times both from life and from imagination, so your point about him only "copying" photos kinda goes out the window.
2. Saying that his work as a whole looks "flat" is honestly quite hilarious, that is if you're joking of course. I can understand why you'd find some of his low contrast paintings "flat", but you should look into his older, more "formal" work.
3. Also, I don't understand why your working definition of "fine art" is limited to working from life. If you wanna use it, that's fine, but times change, and nowadays people work from photographs mostly because it's convinient both for the artist and for the models. I understand that working from life is different than working from a photograph, but this obession and puritanism with an arbitrary definition of an already arbitrary and subjective action such as art, comes across as both weird and, to be honest, envious.
Stop trying to put other people's work down because they don't fit your arbitrary definition of fine art and perhaps put more time and effort on enjoying your work. Hard to believe that this video came from someone who's been in the industry for 30 years. "The real Genius" lol.
You don't understand anything about drawing and painting
I have seen your work, says it all
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 that's not an argument, if you don't want people making any kind of criticism towards you and your arguments then disable comments 🤷♂️
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 this is the ad hominem version of art, hilarious
@@sergiarts I want informed comments , not some Nicolas Uribe wanna be photo copyist, who has no style of their own, thinks they are clever , when the are clueless about drawing and painting.
I see the point you’re making, but I still find his work inspiring and interesting to look at. He does a lot of things that I enjoy to experience in art
That is fine people enjoy pop art, but i want people to know there is another aspect to figurative fine art painting ,that you won't find in a Uribe video.
lol. People watching Uribe are well informed about fine art. And fully aware of the absolute classic cliche names you keep mentioning….
Like what!? You don’t think people know who the fuck Degas is?! They just think Nicolas invented fine art? Even when he constantly mentions the masters and their training.
Oof. Such a sad artist bro
"fine art" is a bygone era. The modern human does not have enough time, space, freedom or peace to become fine anymore.
Some of us are still out there
Haha "become fine" is a nice way to put it
whatever did he do to upset you?!-fine art does not mean photorealistic!
I am fed up with the dumbing down of fine art
This is not a criticism, it is just pure envy!
Your comment is pure ignorance.
I felt the same 😂 pure envy.
@@maikejeanart Engage brain
This guy has a mental problem just look at his videos..Conspiracy theorist and not a clue about fine art !
Absolute drivel.
Your brain is drivel.
Unfortunately you didn't have the chance to watch Nicolas Uribe painting face to face. He knows how to paint by observation and I had this opportunity to watch.
As a clever man that you are you should notice one thing, even using a photo as a reference he distorts the image.
Form, values, space is subjective. Matisse for me is totally flat (specially he last phase).
The biggest problem is reduce the Uribe's work saying: "he is a copyist who paints a imitation of fine art way to try fool people." People like you which comes that way is so close minded. Fortunately Nicolas Uribe is a genius of our Era and he can do Fine Art or Illustration. If my words don't convince you the time will.
I know he does, but his RUclips photo paintings are not find art.
Yes but Matisse always saw in terms of space and volumes, as did Picasso , this is what Modern painting was about, the play of flatness and volumes.
Now I understand why the virtuous artists think it unwise to become an intellectual
You need to study art
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 where did you study art? Was it Reddit?
@@someones_daughter_ I went to the top art schools in London unlike you who has no idea of basic drawing principles
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 I went to 3 more top art schools from all of Europe, even traveled back in time to work with Leonardo Da Vinci and hang out with his gigolos
@@someones_daughter_ Well there is no excuse for you not understand basic form values in drawing
Wtf is wrong with you? Why are bullying other artists? I attended live painting courses seeing him painting live models. He is an incredible talented artist and teacher.
It is dumbing down figurative art
It;s just an envy hater and rascist of a colombian master painter.. Haters gonna hate, there's not space for love in their lifes..
I feel incredibly sorry for you, because you are dead mistaken. Gatekeeping "fine art" on snobbish definitions and trying to hold a sort of higher ground that not only differentiates Illustration from fine art (which shouldn't be separate) but also declares that drawing must be made from life without the aid of photography is incredibly misguided. "Dumbing down the fine art"? You are everything that is wrong with the snobbish, foolish world of art academia.
No to making shallow superficial photo paintings
I agree with you, sounds like a purist.
Why is this distinction between fine art and illustration so important to you? Your technical assessments are sound and I agree with them, but it feels to me like you are arguing for the validity of a hierarchy between these categorizations. You repeat a few times that you wouldn't care, but it "dumbs people down". Why is it important to you that people like what you do not? Is it because your own work feels undervalued as a consequence?
As art history progresses, humanity's collective body of cultural works grow. I agree that as access to artmaking becomes democratized that it can feel like the work of the great masters becomes diluted. Mountains of artwork made by those who did not have access to the same level of classical education, patronage, and freedom of expression now rise around those classical masters, and I agree with you that discerning eyes see the differences. Not everyone does see it.
I believe, however, that your argument tends towards an overly conservative fetishization of the work of the great masters, and suggests that "fine" art is the only "real" art. Uribe has never described his work as fine art, and his readiness to embrace the work of others suggests to me that he would consider that distinction to be unhelpful, and largely motivated by elitism.
Please, let people like what they like, and be more careful about conflating being better educated as being better generally. It is not your responsibility to teach others that they are dumb for liking what they like, and it will harm no one to refrain yourself.
Yes because people no distinction, when there is a big one. Yes i consider Fine art a more complex discipline that asks deeper questions. Painting is not a popularity contest, it is a search for the truths in the human condition through ones experience. Basic drawing has form mass and space.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 I agree with you that if someone makes art as an attempt to gain popularity, they are robbing themselves of the joy and struggle of discovery the unique voice of their own painting practice, and they will likely fail at their original goal anyway. I believe that painting from life is difficult and worthy of practicing regularly, but that it is a technical tool to strengthen one's art practice generally. No matter what their subject matter, medium, or style, a dedicated, enthusiastic, and serious artist will struggle to continuously challenge themselves. If we are to break our backs in our art practice, what is the purpose of attempting to do what has already been mastered hundreds of years ago? Is it not better for an artist to advance the course of art history and learn to paint like themselves rather than to attempt to paint like their influences? If the peak of the highest mountain of the world has already been summited, then why not climb the one that no one but yourself can climb?
I think I am beginning to understand why this distinction between "fine art" and "illustration" might be so important to you but feels so alien to me. Whether or not it is provocative, to me, both forms are difficult (albeit not equally difficult), and both enrich the world. Even if only the artist themselves take joy from it, that matters, and if others love it, even better. I envy any painter whose lifestyle allows them to sustainably make work.
The distinction I believe is important is whether or not they are making the work. Regardless of the strength of their work, or what art school they went to, or the aesthetic theories they subscribe to, or the art critics they know, if they aren't making the work, then they are not a real artist. If they make the work, they are a real artist.
On the other hand, what is easier than both fine art and illustration, and more provocative? Art criticism. Art critics don't need to make anything other than opinions, and the more they reject than they embrace, the more discerning they appear, and the more easily they can dismiss dissenters as naive or pedestrian or populist. Unlike in painting, in art criticism one may substitute hollow art speak, or citing their education or dropping the names of their colleagues in lieu of making something worthwhile.
@@pogoslogos Sounds like you have opted for the short cut photo get out clause, the point of the video is to call a duck a duck
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 what he's saying is that you calling a duck a "stupid fucking duck lower than us horses" is more dumbed down and lazy than trying to understand the duck
@@pogoslogos 👏👏👏 completely agree!
where can i look at your work ?
You are dumb
Rembrandt is illustration too. And Lucian Freud the same thing.😂
No Rembrandt is based on drawing and understanding drawing form and his perception of the world, Your comment is an example of the dumbing down i am talking about.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 Maybe if you could make it into an artwork to communicate what your idea is, people could understand it better. Maybe show it through art instead?
I do very clearly in this video, it is not my fault thick people who watch dumb downed photo painting videos from RUclips do not understand basic drawing practice.@@someones_daughter_
Very educational...you clearly have a genuine passion...would you consider showing any piece on your channel or is that trespassing on your privacy....in any case thank you from ireland 🇮🇪
Thanks, I have had too many threats against me, I also think it clouds the argument of the video. What i explain in this video were standard practices of painting in the past.
I take offense to you saying he's dumbing down his audience. He actually talks about his feelings and his philosophy on the process of painting. Your arrogance for talking to your channel like you know more than all of your viewers is crazy. I like realism, yes I paint more realistic than this artist, but I enjoy his style all the same. Name dropping masters to stroke your 3 inch ego isn't really supporting your argument at all. He doesn't strike me as fine art, but did you sell anything for 6 figures to be a fine art artist?
It is dumbing down, it has no drawing, your dumb ignorant comment is offensive
This sounds extremely pretentious. You really sound like you are belittling other artists and their techniques.
Photo painters yes
There's no way to make someone who's seen art as a tradition for 30 years see art in a different way no matter how many times i call you ignorant but all i can tell you is there is nothing you can do about art becoming more accesable. There are different techniques and teachings that help us achieve art which will always be a thing but this way of thinking is bound to decease, for good reason imo. You can try to apprechiate and understand the things people convey trough their "non-fine art" art or dumb yourself down into this superior tradition to its grave
No it is basic drawing practice.
Do you know about the camera obscurer? Was it widely used? I bet there are some stories about those who used them.
Yes it has been massively promoted in our pop culture, but it was a useless tool back then, it was not practical to use, we also have no documents it was used widely. It may have been used by Vermeer, but only to get the perspective, everything else done from life. Technology makes weak drawings paintings, we can see this with the advent of the photo.
I don't think u used the word genius in this vid but that's the bottom line here it's an exclusive club.
Not exclusive but you know what I mean
Thanks for posting this, would you mind doing a video talking about contemporary artists who actually paint fine art?
There are not many
Hey what a great idea
Right. We know you don’t have many paintings. We’re saying to talk about masters while you paint like Nicolas
Nicolas es un artista super destacable, de una factura maravillosa. Lo que el hace no es facil de hacer para nada. Si esta muy relacionado con la ilustración como bien indicas, pero no copia de una foto y ya, hay mucho mas en su obra y bajo el filtro de una gran sensibilidad artística.
No se porque centrarse en aspectos negativos que realmente no suman nada. Mi punto de vista es que el es uno de esos artistas que sirven de nexo para traer a el publico de la ilustración al de la pintura. Eso no es algo que pase con frecuencia.
Decir que su trabajo es puro copiar fotos y pop art demuestra una mirada totalmente reducida y obtusa del mundo del arte de la pintura.
Es un ilustrador que anda tonto
abajo lo que es bellas artes. esta copiando
La persona que hace el video en medio de su frustración y mala vibra se nota que intenta deslegitimar una obra y una pintura de la mas alta calidad actual. La obra de Uribe lo dice todo y el que no sepa verlo es porque está sujeto a envidias y/o incapacidades cognitivas de percepción. Este tipo del video lo que es es un bobo!
Can't even get to the end of it. I get your point, but it's too riding, too attached to an 19 century idea of what painting is. Ok, bye
No it is basic drawing practice
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 look, you want to put a fence around "fine arts", fine, have fun inside that circle, people will keep pushing in different directions, and it's fine for me, don't even think Nicolas really cares about not being in the fine arts club
@@marceloperalta4530 It is basic drawing, i got not problem with Uribe being a pop photo artist. But he is not a serious fine art artist.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 is the only problem them the use of the word "fine artist"?
@@marceloperalta4530 Now you are being silly
Stephen = crown, Bau = business as usual/builder, man 🤣
TCB 😂
Ohh. Intersting. Blessings
Who says the world is 3d? The world is flat and it's 3d that's the illusion.
You know when you paint you're not sculpting, you're looking at the subject, memorizing a shape you see which is a 2d image in your mind, and then copying that image onto the canvas.
Painting from photos just makes things more convenient.
No you are uneducated, a perfect example of dumbing down
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 you're overeducated. I suggest you do more painting and less talking
@@tjs9876 I suggest you learn the subject, instead of playing computer games
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164it feels good to criticize doesn't it. One day you'll realize you're just another grumpy, lost old man.
Truly amazing painting! Wow! Look at all the wonderful details!
Painting is more than details
Fallen Angel with a Sword and Shield was found by Miners in Siberia.
Simpsons did an episode on this & calamity followed its discovery.
This lad's not fully roofed in.
You are a thick retard, who knows nothing about painting.
I still paint by numbers that ok? 🙂
Yes that is fine
You are doing great! Even Bonnard was kinda painting with numbers. he used to look at his painings and pointing at colours he used to say "1 -2-3..." :)
More Art please.
In Dom Irrera's voice, "Who died and left YOU boss?"
Do you have a brain cell?
No technology needed for pure creativity💖 thank u for this message
While I see the point you're trying to make I feel it's too black and white. It seems to me that you are referring to fine art as a certain way of painting that was defined at some point as being something specific. In this case the adherence to working from life. But I ask you this: what about painting from imagination? Wouldn't this just diminish the works from all artists that paint from real life? It's without a doubt harder and more personal than even painting from life can be. Painting from life can be seen as painting from 3d reference. So it's working from reference too. But what if an artists uses reference and interprets it in his own way and changes things about it. Just in the same way a painter from life reinterprets his subject a painter that's working from 2d reference can choose to break free. And this breaking free is the thing that we would call creative. To create something new.
Now I have seen a lot of art and a lot of paintings that have been done from life and honestly a lot have been extremely uninspiring. There's this trend where the art all looks the same. Even the artists end up seeming interchangeable. They all wear a white shirt and either a vest or some apron and try to look like some renaissance painter and paint the same things people 200 years ago painted. They take pride in grinding their own pigments and using all the expensive hand made brushes and mediums. But that's not inspiring or refreshing. It's as you agree the breaking away from the reference that makes a painting better. To me it doesn't matter if this reference is 2 or 3D. What's important is what is made with it.
New times bring new possibilities and that's why art evolves too.
I think you miss the point, form values is a type relationship that the artist has to seeing space, form, light ,colour, most artists who painted from their imagination in the past have this, although artists who paint from life are also using their imagination too, as painting is a form of translating what you experience, not a flat copy. This is the problem with Uribe's work, when you paint you have express form whether you paint from your imagination or life, you have to think in terms of form, space, light and colour or the work will fundamentally lack what is Fine art. Watch my other art videos it will explain more, the standard of art education today is appalling, these are basic concepts which were taught in the past no matter how you painted.
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Okay I will have a look at the other ones.@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164
opinion about the grand central atelier ?
Looks like a good course, but in painting and drawing you have to find your own voice. These ateliers are better than no drawing, but a good artist sees it through their own eyes, it is not simply copying a method, it is more about understanding what you see. Watch my art videos
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 i understand.
still got an other question.
what do you think about the lyme academy of art ?
i‘m looking for an atelier to finish my art education.
whats your opion, which atlelier could help me more ?
greetings.
I like the Lyme Academy, Hollis Dunlop is good artist although his colour is a bit off at times. Think it looks like a really good place, but remember what i told you develop your own eye@@ramonhausmann9496
What are your thoughts on the painters Catherine Kehoe or Martin Campos?
They are both more fine art than Uribe, Kehoe is trying to understand the form. I prefer Uglow.
just to be clear you're saying fine art is only done from life?
No, but it is important to study the language of drawing based on the observation of nature especially if you pretending to be a figurative painter who is painting fine art tradition as Uribe pretends to do. The figurative tradition is based on understanding form and space so it reads, it also comes from the artists own eyes, it is translation. This is the fundamental problem of photo painting, is that it is copying and people are unaware of form, space, light and colour. Uribe's work is Pop Art that appeals to a dumbed down consumer social media based culture.
Really interesting, thanks for sharing your opinion and knowledge. I would appreciate it if you give your opinion about egon Schiele work. I have the understanding that although he draw and paint "al natural" he also like to used photos. Would you consider his work fine arts?
Yes his work is fine art because it comes from him, comes from his own eyes and he understands drawing.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 Thank you very much for your reply.
So you can paint a good fine art portrait using a photo as long as you have an understanding of the drawing and an interpretation of the subject that comes from yourself?
By the way, do you know of any figurative fine art artists besides egon or francis bacon who sometimes paint using photographs?
@@handercadavid3169 Yes drawing is the most important thing. But
Schiele did not over use photos like Uribe. Bacon is fine art stroke illustration, but at least he interprets the medium, it is not copying it straight with no brain. Ideally you paint from life. and draw form and space.
Who is this fool..?
You are thick
I draw these days mostly from life every day. In straight ink in fact…on napkins. A friend of mine who does high end Prostetics and admires fine art, thinks because I do these on napkins and not “nice” paper…that these are some how devalued by the materials. This is of course ridiculous. What is fine art. 30 years of experience saying you’re doing fine art? That’s absurd. Many if not all of the fine artists of the Renaissance used optics to create their pictures. To deny this is to deny reality. The fact is, fine art has no real definition. It’s a made up term. NUribe is doing fine work. He’s a fantastic talent. To slag him in this way say more about you and your work than it does about him. End of story.
You sound like a complete fool. You have watched to many rubbish RUclips painting videos. Please study the subject before leaving absurd childish comments. Figurative painting which this video is about has a long tradition of drawing being fundamental to its practice. I explain that drawing is a comprehension of form, not photographic copying. Hockey has been completely debunked and again shows your lack of education. If you are going to say anything is fine art and it has no standards what's the point of its practice.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 first off…calling me a fool shows who you are as a human being. You’re nothing. Your art is pedestrian. You bring nothing to the table but arrogance. I’m glad you showed how ridiculous you are.
creo que para hablar de alguien, deberias investigar un poco mas en como aborda la pintura, y como fue su desarrollo como pintor, creo que hablar que las bellas artes solo tienen una forma eurocentrista de verlo, es demasiado retrogrado. Dejar la fotografia de un lado, seria negar que los impresionistas lo usaban en sus talleres como DEGAS, quien esta documentado que varios de sus trabajos se utilizaba la fotografia. segun para la forma en la que ves me estas diciendo que la pintura oriental no tiene de bellas arte porque no da una experiencia de profundidad?... muy superficial la forma de ver esto.
Necesitas estudiar el tema de la pintura y su historia, si lo hicieras no escribirías un comentario tan tonto que no tiene argumento. Sí, Degas usó algunas fotos en su trabajo, pero muy pocas veces, a diferencia de Uribe, Degas también entendió los principios del dibujo.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 🤔.. La historia de la pintura?.... Cual pintura, la europea?... Objetivar basándose solo tomando como referencia a los maestros clásicos europeos ( a los cuales admiro y respeto), es muy superficial.... Creo que hay que salir un poco de la caja europea, o conoces la historia de la pintura India, japonesa, china?.... Bastante cuestionable. Hablas que el dibujo y la pintura es la experiencia del individuo con la vida, sabes porque el pinta a partir de fotos?... O por lo menos sabes que uribe en sus inicios igual realizaba pinturas y dibujos estructurales en sus inicios?.... Hay que Investigar amigo
@@michaelortegon4499 No, no tienen dibujo, eres ignorante del tema porque no entiendes la práctica básica del dibujo. Sí me refiero al dibujo del arte figurativo en Europa y los demás países también. Es una tradición de dibujo escultórico que trata sobre el espacio y la forma, ese es el argumento del video, no considero a Uribe parte de esa tradición, sino un copista ilustrador de revistas y pop art.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 amigo el dibujo escultorico es de tradicion italiana, pero estas generalizando que esto es bellas artes, eso es lo que dices en tu video, osea todo lo que no entra en esta deficion que enmarcas lo dejas por fuera, para argumentar que Uribe tiene o no la tradicion de las bellas arte, estas sacando todo el tipo de arte, pintura o dibujo que no es de tipo escultorico, y eso es una concepcion muy reducida de las bellas arte, que te guste el dibujo escultorico o la pintura de este tipo ( aclaro que me gusta mucho este tipo de dibujo igua, sobre todo la escuela tradicional rusa con su aproximacion del dibujo), pero de que me guste a que eso me lleve a decir que lo q no entra en ello no es bellas arte, muy poco objetivo el argumento. Siempre he pensado que quienes son criticos de un trabajo y otro es porque su trabajo los respalda, tienes donde se pueda ver lo que haces?, tus aproximaciones en pintura y dibujo?.. supongo sigues al pie de la letra las tradiciones italianas del disegno
@@michaelortegon4499 No es solo un estilo italiano, se enseñó en toda Europa y fue su educación artística básica de lo que fue la educación en bellas artes. En mi video, soy específico de lo que es el dibujo de bellas artes tal como se enseñó. Lo que se considera bellas artes cambió en el siglo XX, mi punto en el video es que el trabajo de Uribe no se puede definir como bellas artes porque no trata con la tradición del dibujo, su trabajo es una copia fotográfica relacionada con el arte pop y la ilustración, lo cual es un hecho. , porque él mismo lo admite. Tú eres el problema con tu falta de comprensión del dibujo básico.
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Por favor más videos en español!! Sigue adelante tus vídeos son muy buenos!
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Keep these coming. I value your videos addressing painting.
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Wow, artist beef - not what I was expecting when I opened yt this morning!
The way I look at is this, we'll all be dead fairly soon and none of this will matter a jot.
We are alive
I understand what you are saying. I see these artists in a new light now. Thanks.
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Nonetheless interesting. Thank you. I love it when you touch this subject, finally someone is saying it.
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@@prometheus_beard That is part of the reason why i do these videos
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I think we are in an age where the lines of art are blurred. The idea of calling something “fine” as to categorize or differentiate it from a “lesser” form of art is just pretentious.
No it is not, we should not accept dumbing down.
Lucian Freud is Sigmunds Grandson... wow now that's interesting. Have you met him bro?
No i have met the biographer and David Dawson his assistant
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 thank you bro. I checked after my comment he died over a decade ago ... crazy link ups. You know about Freud, Anna and Edward Bernays yeah? Masters of the mind!
@@homovivusinterra1735 Yes i do. the Freuds are a family connected to the Rothschild's
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 nice one bro. Also Epstein family. Sir Jacob Epstein married Kitty. All one big club!
@@homovivusinterra1735 Yes all one big club
It depends on the context if is in a gallery even an illustration can be fine arts.Using a reference is not a bad thing at all, thousand of fine arts artist use reference, in academy is wrong to use photo reference but i dont think that the art world is still attached to this idea. And the reference he use are all photos of his family, i dont understand why is wrong, is not the photo of marylin monroe, why is pop art if he doesnt paint pop culture icons like i dont know lacoste logo with the pink panther on a lamborghini. Even tough i think that paintibg from imagination is way more difficult but nobody says you have to do it to be a fine art artist. Or have a model in front of you. I think yes paintibg by only copying is limitating is better to develop a context i dont know like a political context for example and paint your feelings or experience ecc fron the war for example but without this context can lose meaning and be hollow and nihilistic but this is also an expression of something, i feel many hyperrealistic painting give me this like we are just suppose to appreciate just rhe technique even tough the painting is dry and lifeless. But yeah from your video sounds like fine art is just academic painting and drawing which i respectfully disagree. I think theres much more to be talked about than just forms and if is realistic or is not is just kinda boring and like an exercise to me.
It is bad if you are looking for drawing, as i said it is pop art, commercial photo painting of no depth. It very important to study the model, draw from life if you want to do figurative fine art, because it teaches you drawing is not copying , this is the problem with RUclips art teachers. You fundamentally do not understand drawing, watch my other art videos listed below.
Saw this last night in respect of the pieta. Quite horrific.
Pieta?
@@jacquelinecullen5873 Just shows you how done hill the Vatican has gone.
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A Bob Ross 🏔️ impersonator :)😉👍
I've an untrained eye but I can see exactly what you mean.
Bang on they destroyed art
Also, are you just gonna completely ignore the fact that the spanish painters that you mention in the video also used photographic reference at times? lmfao
No they did not again showing a poor level of education, it was rarely used
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 I've literally been to Sorolla's museum where they explained us which paintings were based on photographic reference, you really think he just painted children running through the beach from life? Lol
@@sergiarts No you misunderstood the talk, he was influenced by photos, but he hardly ever used photos to paint from. This is a fact as Sorolla wrote himself, that he hated painting from photos. He actually used life models, he probably saw photos of movement, but there are many drawing done from life before that final painting. Once again you show an awful level of education. Sargent and Sorolla hardly ever painted directly from photos. Fact
So what? Degas was also using photograph for his paintings. The invention of photography changed the direction of painting history. But he was not copying photos. He was using them as tools but not using them as models for paintings. Those were black and white low quality photos, and he had to invent colors, turnings, temperatures relations. This is why he was a genius and not a photography copist. Even Caravaggio and Ingred used the camera obscura but again that was a tool for their ability, not an images to copy.
@@claudiocecchetti3183 when you say "images to copy", you mean you think that Uribe is just copy pasting a photograph, despite him being known for almost always warping shapes, shortening value ranges, not relying on the colors of the image, etc? how transformative does a painting have to be from an image, for purists like you and the guy who made the video, to not be considered "photo copying"?
Why so angry, this says a lot about you.
Not at all, tired of photo painting being sold as fine art figurative painting.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 i understand your point but not everyone have access to models and practice, they just create with what Is on their hands, like photos. I wish to become a good painter but for the moment i am ilustrative even if i dont like It that way, everyone has Its process
@@batzeth You will always be limited as an artist by copying photos. Painting from life teaches you to understand space and form, watch all my art videos, you will learn a greater depth of knowledge.
@@batzeth You can get lots of props these days, draw from busts. Watch my drawing videos, i know what i am talking , I know William Feaver the biographer of Freud and Auerbach.
Art commentary 🪄😘 my fav. Keep them coming. ✨️
You certainly think a lot of yourself and that's probably for a reason. I'm sure to your educated mind it's a disgrace to witness what you are describing. But copying from Photos does not mean you are not trying to convey form. A low contrast and simplified shapes are just that, not dummed down. They are drawing and painting form, just not in a way that satisfies what you consider the right way. Now where you draw the line between Illustration and fine Art, that's your decision to make for yourself. I just really don't understand your anger when it comes to people doing there thing. No matter if you like any art or not, the artist made stylistic choices because they felt right to them. Stop acting like people make art to please you and to fit your needs. I know this comment will probably not change your solidified views on art, but maybe just generally try to be a little nicer.
Sorry you do not understand drawing
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 Would you mind giving me your definition of "drawing" then? Enlighten me.
@@demnachung Listen to the video
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Comprendo que puedas tener opiniones negaticas sobre los artistas francisco Soriano y Nicolás Uribe, y es válido expresar tus puntos de vista sobre sus obras. Cada artista tiene su estilo y enfoque distintivo, y es natural que sus trabajos generen diferentes respuestas en los espectadores.
En el caso de Soriano, algunos críticos han considerado que su obra carece de técnica y profundidad conceptual, lo que ha llevado a opiniones negativas sobre su trabajo. Por otro lado, respecto a Nicolás Uribe, es un artista que ha sido reconocido por su originalidad y creatividad y gran técnica. Su obra ha sido elogiada por su habilidad y su capacidad para plasmar emociones y mensajes poderosos a través de sus creaciones.
Es importante recordar que la apreciación artística es subjetiva y varía según los gustos individuales. Lo que puede no resonar contigo puede ser profundamente significativo para otra persona y eso no significa que puedas calificarlo de ilustración o de bellas artes. En lugar de "salirse de madre" al criticar a Nicolás Uribe, es preferible fundamentar cualquier opinión negativa con argumentos sólidos y respetuosos, resaltando aspectos específicos de su obra con los que puedas no estar de acuerdo, sino puede parecer que expresas algo de envidia.
En última instancia, el mundo del arte es diverso y enriquecedor debido a las diferentes perspectivas y sensibilidades que cada artista aporta. Manten un diálogo respetuoso y fundamentado sobre las obras de arte te permitirá contribuir a una apreciación más profunda y significativa de la creatividad humana.
Ahora, en cuanto a Soriano pensandolo mejor si dale con toda. Es un mala madre aquel payaso y necesita de más escarmientos.
Es pintura a partir de fotografías, y no la tradición del dibujo-pintura, la que se basa en entender la forma, y un dibujo que comprender la propia percepción. Uribe es mucho mejor pintor que Soriano pero sigue copiando fotos, el arte fino es muy diferente..
Muy vaga tu perspectiva
Eres un bobo sin idea de la pintura.
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Well art is not all about technical mastery, is about ideas, emotions, philosophy, your background as a person and yes technic, stating that something is fine art just because it’s beautifully rendered (in the European tradition) it’s eliminating thousands of works of art from other cultures, you’re kinda saying that just European based painting it’s art, thats racist, it’s like saying that only 12 tone based music it’s art, you have a very narrow vision of culture, it’s ok if you don’t like Nicolas Uribe or any other contemporary painter, but please rethink what you’re saying about art, you’re disrespecting other cultures, eurocentrism is bad
Well figurative painting does have a certain focus and tradition. No i am stating Uribe's work is illustration, not the fine art tradition that has drawing. It has nothing to do with race, Uribe last time i checked is white and this shows how ignorant you are about art. I suggest you learn the subject, before making daft comments.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 racist against other cultures not Uribe, Chinese, Indian, ingenious, etc, this just shows how closed minded you’re
Figurative painting it’s more than European tradition, thousands of other cultures had depicted the human form, if you believe that just a small portion can be defined as fine art just because is rooted on European ideals is racist, the same with drawing so check that, if you’re so educated grab a book on other cultures you’ll find beauty in it, not European canon but beauty nonetheless
@@emiliosorni5800 I think you will find Uribe is painting in a European figurative style himself, not a pre columbian art. Please make educated comments.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 again I’m not talking about Uribe, I’m talking about you’re definition of “fine art” it’s rooted on eurocentric ideals, leaving the rest of the world out
Malignant narcissist
Yes you are, and thick too.
Mannnnn, you really dont know what you are talking about. Delete it 😅
Yes i do, you are thick.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 I would love to see some of your artwork, please link it
@@fredericodraw889 It is much better than you can do or Uribe, who copies photos.
@@fredericodraw889 It is far better than yours
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164just Send the link . Less talk more images
Curious to know what your qualifications are rather than the people you know… not saying if i agree or disagree but it seems odd to piggyback off ur connections to people in the art world
Far higher than yours
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 which are ?
@@jessl8423 I went to the top art schools in London won scholarships for drawing personally know William Feaver Lucian Freud's biographer What do you know? RUclips?
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 again, not interested who ur pals with it’s irrelevant and quite sad that u think that other people make you more interesting. and no i’m studying fine art at a top art school in london
@@jessl8423 See you can not even construct an argument, which one? Well they should then to teach you about drawing, because you are clueless.