I love how this slowly turned from, and don't take this the wrong way, a more 'fanboy-like' interview at the start into an actual podcast. Everyone feels much more comfortable with eachother each episode.
@@joannep5785may be Oscar should of not given up his position quiet a few times this year that has been going all the way back to Melbourne where he should of finished third so that means lose of points by missed by him as well so a lot of what if.
Not really, if he did go against team order, it would have ruined the team dynamic. And in which in turn could make them see Piastri as the number 1 driver.
Guys first time listener here and enjoyed it. You seem to be ignoring that had the lead driver pitted first he would have had a substantial margin over Lando going into the last stint, and won on his own merits..
Really enjoy the format you've put together with Guenther. Equal parts entertaining and motivating. A Case study for unrivaled determination. All three of you are genuine and work super well together.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING ASTONS LACK OF SWAP - thank you for reading comments. I think they made a deal where Alonso is lance’s hype man bc the car sucks this year.
This is by far the best episode of this podcast thus far Gunter seems to be settling into this whole thing and is starting to give some back to the red flags boys this episode was fantastic and I’m glad Gunter is accepting the role of being the main host more and I can only hope that this podcast continues after this season and I love that Gunter has stood up for the red flags guys in the past as well
The entire vibe of the podcast is so stupid and silly, I love it, even though I don't watch formula 1 anymore. Fan of Guenther since the Jaguar days, the other two boys are alright too. Keep it up!
What is this whole people saying Lando should’ve won. No. He should’ve held his position from the start there is NO excuse he was in the front from the start. It doesn’t work like that, if he loses the championship that’s only on him. There shouldn’t be 1 race to dictate his championship because he lost his position from the start. No one should claim they’re a good driver by winning off of technicalities- love this podcast
Norris is not a number 1. Mclaren dont have number 1's. Even Senna wasn't a number 1. I applaud that - that's what a race team does. Mclaren don't exist so that "new media" can pretend there is excitement back in the drivers championship. The only way you will find one driver expecting to support the other is if the championship is on with only a few races to go. We are only half way through the season for goodness sakes. I expect Piastri to beat Norris at Spa too btw
I dont know why this is so hard to understand. I think they are to fixated on the very slim chance Lando could catch Max. Oscar is not in that team to play a number 2 role, its really as simple as that. Oscar led all race and deserved the win.
Does anyone remember René Arnoux? He didn't let Alain Prost win the 1982 French Grand Prix after ignoring team orders. This was Renault's first one-two in Formula One. His Renault career was effectively over after that.
Arnoux didn't do it to protect his own title chances though, he was trailing Prost by quite some margin in the championship. A more fitting comparison would be Gilles Villeneuve obeying team orders in Monza '79 and, by doing so, relinquishing his own chances to win the title. The beneficiary in this case, however, was his teammate Jody Scheckter... not a driver from a rival team! Such an absurdity is quite unheard of in Formula 1... until last Sunday, that is.
You gentlemen are truly lucky to have witnessed those moments live at the time. F1 seemed far more exciting back then compared to the last two decades. The sound of those V10s would’ve done it for me alone back then!
@@maximumlevel99 I was born the day Wolfgang Graf Berghe von Trips died. My father took me to the Hockenheimring in 1966 when Jim Clark had his tragic accident. Can't say I remember much... but my first hero was Jochen Rindt and since that fateful Saturday at Monza in 1970 I just couldn't bring myself to get "emotionally attached" to a driver, guess the stars of the show have always been the cars for me ever since, especially those in scarlet red. If you want to know more about the episode I have mentioned above, I can recommend a documentary you may find interesting: "Villeneuve Pironi", a recent Sky production, I believe.
Lando should have switched back due to getting the lead from 2 undercuts and then he could have raced for the lead. Lando left it to the last lap, that wasn't the teams doing. The Oscar should have pitted first argument doesn't hold much water. The undercut and switch back strategy to secure the 1 2 lockout is not unheard of.
i know right - totally obvious that was what was going on, but unfortunately the average IQ of an F1 fan these days is showing the Drive to Survive effect. To be fair, I think Lando had lost the race by the second round of pitstops as they were allowed to race up until the mid 40's laps, by prior agreement.
What a great podcast. I am a new comer to this podcast as of the format with Guenther although well played. You guys strip it all back and get the inside from the real deal. that is not easy so well done. We all love Guenther and I think guys have done a stella job to create something that is great to watch. U fuking Fwankers don't get center mental now haha ! Love this platform :)
McLaren Purposely called in Lando just so they would give him the undercut IN ORDER to give the team order. They KNEW that Lando was at that pint the faster driver and was chasing his teammate down and would have gotten around him. THAT is why they didn't call Piastri in first. Had they done so and Lando pulled closed the gap in that lap while Piastri was getting his tires up to temp, he would have made the overtake even easier, so by calling Lando in first, they strategically trapped him into having him give back the position because it appeared as though calling him in first is why he got the undercut done. The reality is that as the fuel loads come down, Lando has shown to be the more consistent and superior driver between them, which is why Lando finishes ahead of Piastri more often than not. On top of it all, Piastri made a few unforced errors that cost him a bunch of time whilst Lando drove completely error free start to finish. Piastri pitted after Lando and thus had slightly fresher tires but he was struggling to match Lando's pace who was going quicker Lap after Lap. McLaren was wrong to force Lando to give that Victory ti Piastri. Lando turned down better offers from other teams because he wanted to be loyal to McLaren and this is so NOT how to repay such loyalty. It is to date one of, if not theeee absolute worst team order ever given. WDC are extremely difficult to be in the running for, so when the opportunity is there for a driver, you help him as much as possible, period.
even if lando loses by 6 points its still the right decision. If he didnt give it back you never know what would happen later in the season. lando and oscar could find themselves clashing more instead o helping, piastri might not do the team thing because of the past. like you cant blame this result on it cause team moral is so important and not giving the race to piastri might have changed a whole lot.
1:04:46 I think Gunter forgot that Max will have the engine penalty, so it's going to be though with the 10 grid penalty maybe he'll end up in 3rd place.
Norris should have negotiated with the team and said I know you want to correct a mistake but let the faster car win. I’ll let him through and give him the same gap as before the pit stop, but if he can’t pull away and I’m faster, then that’s on him, you’ve done your bit. So, if he holds me up, you’ll then either have to tell him to move over or let me fight him for the win. A win should be earned, not given. Stella’s spin on the situation in the post-race interview was hilarious.
If Oscar hadn't got message that a swap is going to be done, I think he would have been faster. Now he saved the tires and "chilled" while Lando was racing furiously, I think that's why the gap increased before the swap. Lando himself said (after cooling down) that he wasn't robbed of any win. Lando lost out at the start and Piastri drove very well from the start and took 1st position on merit..
He already confirmed that Lewis is the best driver ever because he is the one who never makes mistake even under pressure meanwhile Max was good or even at louis' level when there was no pressure but now it can be said Max looks like a very average driver at the moment
General question to the three of you. Passing under breaking and they break 100 metres or less into a corner. Why does F1 in the rules somehow make the breaking less efficient so breaking distances can be much longer to see some really good dives under breaking?
Oscar is really becoming good quickly and has the potential to win the WDC but will he be able to achieve that with McLaren? I worry they will do him dirty just like they are doing Lando now. The team's mentality is a big problem despite having a very competitive car, unless that changes any driver at McLaren is not safe. Especially with how the pit wall is making the decisions and strategy calls they still have the mid-field mentality and they need to step up big time. When a team is not having a consistent 1-2, then trying to race fair will never win either of the driver a Championship when going up against individual Drivers having their teams full support. In Silverstone McLaren bottled a 1-2 through bad calls, not double stacking for Piastri and then not pitting Lando the right lap and putting him on mediums. The team is not complementing the efforts of both drivers. In Spa the strategy lost Lando his track position to Max and they quite didn't do anything to try and correct it (Oh they couldn't use team orders 💀). McLaren is failing both of their drivers big time!!
Regarding having two drivers at the same level in a top team. Formula E last race weekend showed how that can cock up a championship fight quite easily. Both Jag drivers in contention for the title but strategy couldn't be managed between them and ended up with Wehrlein for Porsche taking the title instead.
After Spa they need to have a half-time meeting. Lando has more points, they potentially have a championship winning car on their hands. Lando has more points so he needs to be supported, if Oscar can up his game then maybe that can change things but he has less right now.
Sector 1 has some interesting bumps at the #BelgianGP based off what we see from FP1 & FP2 which will make Q1 interesting if the fuel loads are accurate. Also the change of grass seed style and colour at straight 2 is distracting for drivers picking brake zones points
Oscar is going to be a cross between Vettal and Kimi and worth far more investment than Lando. Out of both drivers, one's father made deals with McLaren and the other got in on skill / making the team payout $18,000,000 to Danny Ricc.
So who else thinks Webber made sure there's a release clause in Oscar's contract that if the team favours the other driver too much, then he can f off somewhere better?
He (Zak) went to Toronto because Rossi broke his thumb in a crash and wanted to be "there" to make sure T.K. didn't drive and PoorChair got there on time.
Andrea Stella now has one job and one job only until the end of the season... make sure Lando Norris doesn't get anywhere near within 7 points to Max Verstappen. Did Guenther just refer to McLaren's "(our) bet"? Maybe someone at McLaren/Mumtalakat has a nice bet riding on Verstappen to win the title? It would explain why they gifted him 7 points.
WOW u guys. Let the Man Speak. Instead of tripping all over yourselves. And ask more sport related questions instead of closing it up all the time. U guys are waiting your precious interview.
Double stacking was not viable as Piastri was just under 2.5 seconds ahead of Lando. Doing soo it could have lost Lando some time (then in such situation double stacking could be costly in the event the first pit stop is not mint, maybe the wheel gun is a bit faulty) Hamilton undercut Lando and if they didn't pit him quickly (the next immediate lap), the undercut was going to work and Lando loses the track position to Lewis (no more 1-2) and given how it was difficult to overtake on track as it's very petite. Piastri not being up to pace is what made things even weirder.
The reasoning behind covering Hamilton is legit wise. Hamilton pitted first (doing an undercut on Lando, the driver ahead of him). With fresh tyres he had very good lap times and if Lando didn't pit immediately he would lose the second position to Lewis as he would rejoin behind him (once he pits later on), that would not have been ideal for Lando as it was beginning of the last stint and overtaking on track was difficult (even with good pace and tyre advantage, the circuit is soo petite). Soo by not pitting Lando quickly to respond to Lewis undercutting it could have most probably have had Lando finishing third. The main problem was it's Piastri who was leading and Lando pitting before him (an undercut) was most definitely going to work as the gap between them was below 2.5 seconds. If it had been Max who was leading and Lando undercut him and it was successful, Lando would have won the race with no guilt and team orders.
The team is not complementing the efforts him and Oscar are putting out on track. In Silverstone both of them had chance to win (especially Lando who was ahead all along) but the strategy calls f*cked that up, 3-4 at the chequered flag. The team is consistently making big mistakes each grand prix with strategy calls. At the end there are no good results (esp a win) and it will have Lando questioning if he is good enough for the championship.
Lando vs max and Oscar vs max. Oscar is more likely to be able to pull off 2021 because he’s less emotional than Hamilton. And Stella is more political savvy and sensible than Toto.
Do u remember the way Stella was crying after Austria? Outright said the 2021 thing was robbed and he doesn’t think max is a great etc. crying like a baby, toto was still in his senses
Guenther is legend ... to me, he is himself. But those guys ... they are definetly overacting ... tooooooooo much (i mean ... those fake laughs ...brrrr). Tone it a bit down guys ... please ...
bruh you guys are so annoying. I feel like the chances of you adding something to the conversation is based on the flip of a coin. Please think before you speak and stop trying to be entertaining.
It's very low of you to mention Nicole and a prediction that his son is going down. Despicable. Just stop mentioning her and go about your business, why don't you?
In my opinion, McLaren should have got the 1,2 at silverstone, but the team shot themselves in the foot. Time to fully back Lando and stop Mr Horny Horner
@@dmpunk85 The chances Lando is actually going to chase Max down for the championship is so small that going down that road would probably outweigh the damage it could do between the garages.
@21:26 Hold your horses cowboy! It was LH who steered in to MV. MV was first at the apex, HE had the right to choose his line, LH stoically continued to get his own line. THAT caused MV to lock up his front. It doesn't matter if MV was upside down or backwards, he had the right to choose his line. And the what happened, LH steered in to him, twice, knowing MV locked his front and was not able to avoid a collision, the exact thing LH was required to do.👴🤷♂ @23:19 Right, it was very calculated when he steered twice into MV.👴👌 @23:34 Exactly, carefully watch LH from the front, and his left, brightly yellow gloved came significantly up and visible, twice.👴👌 @23:54 Just take a minute and carefully look back, it was as deliberate as deliberate can be, freezingly calculated.👴🤷♂ @24:37 From here it's just fantasy.👴👎 @26:17 YES, Brits undeniably love motorsport, especially F1. As long as there is a Brit leading.👴🤮 @28:31NO, every single driver must have that mentality.👴🤷♂ But I still like your podcast though...👴😁
max was at the apex first becuase he came barrleing down so fucking fast lewis had no idea he was going to do that. Your clealy obsess lmao, what aloser
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I love how this slowly turned from, and don't take this the wrong way, a more 'fanboy-like' interview at the start into an actual podcast. Everyone feels much more comfortable with eachother each episode.
He's actually a regular guest on the show, he's in most of the episodes !
Guenther's wisdom makes me calm.
If Lando loses by 7 points then he can only blame himself, ignoring Hungary, because he should have won several races by now.
Dam straight
@@joannep5785may be Oscar should of not given up his position quiet a few times this year that has been going all the way back to Melbourne where he should of finished third so that means lose of points by missed by him as well so a lot of what if.
Not really, if he did go against team order, it would have ruined the team dynamic. And in which in turn could make them see Piastri as the number 1 driver.
@Dazzerdt1885 Not sure what you're on about mate, but as Max would say, if my Mother had balls she'd be my Father.
@@joannep5785 if you have been following f1 all year you would of seen Oscar swopping with Lando a few times and Lando has acknowledge.
Guys first time listener here and enjoyed it. You seem to be ignoring that had the lead driver pitted first he would have had a substantial margin over Lando going into the last stint, and won on his own merits..
Really enjoy the format you've put together with Guenther. Equal parts entertaining and motivating. A Case study for unrivaled determination. All three of you are genuine and work super well together.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING ASTONS LACK OF SWAP - thank you for reading comments. I think they made a deal where Alonso is lance’s hype man bc the car sucks this year.
this 😂
Alonso lost 1 point... nobody cares and neither does Alonso.
@z4v3k newey, honda Aston might be different kettle of fish mate.
This is by far the best episode of this podcast thus far Gunter seems to be settling into this whole thing and is starting to give some back to the red flags boys this episode was fantastic and I’m glad Gunter is accepting the role of being the main host more and I can only hope that this podcast continues after this season and I love that Gunter has stood up for the red flags guys in the past as well
I can't wait to hear y'all question Gunther about Mattia and how long he knew that Mattia was taking over at Audi.
Lando is not WDC material at the moment. I personally don’t understand the hype but this is just my view.
How is ebrybady dooouuiiinnn???? Can’t wait for this one 😂
This is by far the best Formula 1 Podcast… these guys are just great combination
The greatest podcast that could possibly exist in our timeline 🙌🙌
The entire vibe of the podcast is so stupid and silly, I love it, even though I don't watch formula 1 anymore.
Fan of Guenther since the Jaguar days, the other two boys are alright too. Keep it up!
You gotta love Guenther. He is a rockstar himself
What is this whole people saying Lando should’ve won. No. He should’ve held his position from the start there is NO excuse he was in the front from the start. It doesn’t work like that, if he loses the championship that’s only on him. There shouldn’t be 1 race to dictate his championship because he lost his position from the start. No one should claim they’re a good driver by winning off of technicalities- love this podcast
Guenther is just great along with you guys. I look forward to every episode after a race
Gunther's perspective is gold. The guy is definitely a rockstar.
Norris is not a number 1. Mclaren dont have number 1's. Even Senna wasn't a number 1. I applaud that - that's what a race team does.
Mclaren don't exist so that "new media" can pretend there is excitement back in the drivers championship.
The only way you will find one driver expecting to support the other is if the championship is on with only a few races to go. We are only half way through the season for goodness sakes.
I expect Piastri to beat Norris at Spa too btw
I dont know why this is so hard to understand. I think they are to fixated on the very slim chance Lando could catch Max. Oscar is not in that team to play a number 2 role, its really as simple as that. Oscar led all race and deserved the win.
Is so great to have Guenther head around this topics, love the podcast
You could tell both Mclaren drivers did not enjoy the 1/2. Its easy to see on Oscars face he felt he was given the win.
Does anyone remember René Arnoux? He didn't let Alain Prost win the 1982 French Grand Prix after ignoring team orders. This was Renault's first one-two in Formula One. His Renault career was effectively over after that.
Arnoux didn't do it to protect his own title chances though, he was trailing Prost by quite some margin in the championship.
A more fitting comparison would be Gilles Villeneuve obeying team orders in Monza '79 and, by doing so, relinquishing his own chances to win the title. The beneficiary in this case, however, was his teammate Jody Scheckter... not a driver from a rival team! Such an absurdity is quite unheard of in Formula 1... until last Sunday, that is.
You gentlemen are truly lucky to have witnessed those moments live at the time. F1 seemed far more exciting back then compared to the last two decades. The sound of those V10s would’ve done it for me alone back then!
@@maximumlevel99 I was born the day Wolfgang Graf Berghe von Trips died. My father took me to the Hockenheimring in 1966 when Jim Clark had his tragic accident. Can't say I remember much... but my first hero was Jochen Rindt and since that fateful Saturday at Monza in 1970 I just couldn't bring myself to get "emotionally attached" to a driver, guess the stars of the show have always been the cars for me ever since, especially those in scarlet red.
If you want to know more about the episode I have mentioned above, I can recommend a documentary you may find interesting: "Villeneuve Pironi", a recent Sky production, I believe.
Lando should have switched back due to getting the lead from 2 undercuts and then he could have raced for the lead. Lando left it to the last lap, that wasn't the teams doing. The Oscar should have pitted first argument doesn't hold much water. The undercut and switch back strategy to secure the 1 2 lockout is not unheard of.
i know right - totally obvious that was what was going on, but unfortunately the average IQ of an F1 fan these days is showing the Drive to Survive effect. To be fair, I think Lando had lost the race by the second round of pitstops as they were allowed to race up until the mid 40's laps, by prior agreement.
Who the fuck gives up 4+ seconds with 20 laps to go?
It was a fun episode guys, thanks for doing this.
What a great podcast. I am a new comer to this podcast as of the format with Guenther although well played. You guys strip it all back and get the inside from the real deal. that is not easy so well done. We all love Guenther and I think guys have done a stella job to create something that is great to watch. U fuking Fwankers don't get center mental now haha ! Love this platform :)
I need to buy Guenther a beer.
this is the best podcast right now
I have my popcorn ready
Had to post up🤣🫡
McLaren Purposely called in Lando just so they would give him the undercut IN ORDER to give the team order. They KNEW that Lando was at that pint the faster driver and was chasing his teammate down and would have gotten around him. THAT is why they didn't call Piastri in first. Had they done so and Lando pulled closed the gap in that lap while Piastri was getting his tires up to temp, he would have made the overtake even easier, so by calling Lando in first, they strategically trapped him into having him give back the position because it appeared as though calling him in first is why he got the undercut done.
The reality is that as the fuel loads come down, Lando has shown to be the more consistent and superior driver between them, which is why Lando finishes ahead of Piastri more often than not. On top of it all, Piastri made a few unforced errors that cost him a bunch of time whilst Lando drove completely error free start to finish. Piastri pitted after Lando and thus had slightly fresher tires but he was struggling to match Lando's pace who was going quicker Lap after Lap. McLaren was wrong to force Lando to give that Victory ti Piastri.
Lando turned down better offers from other teams because he wanted to be loyal to McLaren and this is so NOT how to repay such loyalty. It is to date one of, if not theeee absolute worst team order ever given. WDC are extremely difficult to be in the running for, so when the opportunity is there for a driver, you help him as much as possible, period.
Check your house for carbon monoxide bc this is the most insane thing I have ever read
even if lando loses by 6 points its still the right decision. If he didnt give it back you never know what would happen later in the season. lando and oscar could find themselves clashing more instead o helping, piastri might not do the team thing because of the past. like you cant blame this result on it cause team moral is so important and not giving the race to piastri might have changed a whole lot.
1:04:46 I think Gunter forgot that Max will have the engine penalty, so it's going to be though with the 10 grid penalty maybe he'll end up in 3rd place.
Guenther’s laugh is just so contagious!
Why not go live on Sundays after the race?
You complaining?
Gunther is literally working with other networks too
16:01 "ouh ja just a little bit" 😂😂
Oscar's contract has the "Multi-21" clause
Best F1 podcast guys well done
Guys, do a deep dive on Sakhir Grand Prix 2020 when Russell drove for Lewis because Lewis had covid. See what Guenther says
Guenther is golden! But don't try to sell him, it's just a figure of speech 😆
Günther’s look of betrayal when you guys said Oscar’s mom watches the podcast 💀
Norris should have negotiated with the team and said I know you want to correct a mistake but let the faster car win. I’ll let him through and give him the same gap as before the pit stop, but if he can’t pull away and I’m faster, then that’s on him, you’ve done your bit. So, if he holds me up, you’ll then either have to tell him to move over or let me fight him for the win.
A win should be earned, not given. Stella’s spin on the situation in the post-race interview was hilarious.
If Oscar hadn't got message that a swap is going to be done, I think he would have been faster. Now he saved the tires and "chilled" while Lando was racing furiously, I think that's why the gap increased before the swap. Lando himself said (after cooling down) that he wasn't robbed of any win. Lando lost out at the start and Piastri drove very well from the start and took 1st position on merit..
@@bennylloyd-willner9667 good point. I hadn’t considered that Oscar was in chill mode while Lando was in “foaming at the mouth” mode.
Clearly Oscar is determined to win, he left Australia at the age of 14 and moved to England in order to get better into F1.
Mclaren should employ GP (from Redbull) to keep their drivers in check 😁
He already confirmed that Lewis is the best driver ever because he is the one who never makes mistake even under pressure meanwhile Max was good or even at louis' level when there was no pressure but now it can be said Max looks like a very average driver at the moment
Lando & Oscar didn’t fight they played Monopoly on the plane on the way home
Sainz at Alpine would be wild.
Sainz at RB would be better.
I love gunther’s accent sm 😭😭😭😭😭💞💞
General question to the three of you. Passing under breaking and they break 100 metres or less into a corner.
Why does F1 in the rules somehow make the breaking less efficient so breaking distances can be much longer to see some really good dives under breaking?
Love it, thank you boys
Gunter is hilarious 😂
I am having trouble with all this talk of Lando winning the WDC, He will not, Oscar will be WDC before him.
Oscar is really becoming good quickly and has the potential to win the WDC but will he be able to achieve that with McLaren? I worry they will do him dirty just like they are doing Lando now. The team's mentality is a big problem despite having a very competitive car, unless that changes any driver at McLaren is not safe. Especially with how the pit wall is making the decisions and strategy calls they still have the mid-field mentality and they need to step up big time.
When a team is not having a consistent 1-2, then trying to race fair will never win either of the driver a Championship when going up against individual Drivers having their teams full support.
In Silverstone McLaren bottled a 1-2 through bad calls, not double stacking for Piastri and then not pitting Lando the right lap and putting him on mediums. The team is not complementing the efforts of both drivers.
In Spa the strategy lost Lando his track position to Max and they quite didn't do anything to try and correct it (Oh they couldn't use team orders 💀).
McLaren is failing both of their drivers big time!!
I’ve finally found my home with Gunther n the boys. I’m such a wanker🎉😂
I think we need some max radio rage merch andddddd lets get Nico on the pod !
Regarding having two drivers at the same level in a top team. Formula E last race weekend showed how that can cock up a championship fight quite easily. Both Jag drivers in contention for the title but strategy couldn't be managed between them and ended up with Wehrlein for Porsche taking the title instead.
After Spa they need to have a half-time meeting. Lando has more points, they potentially have a championship winning car on their hands. Lando has more points so he needs to be supported, if Oscar can up his game then maybe that can change things but he has less right now.
Sector 1 has some interesting bumps at the #BelgianGP based off what we see from FP1 & FP2 which will make Q1 interesting if the fuel loads are accurate. Also the change of grass seed style and colour at straight 2 is distracting for drivers picking brake zones points
If Landos season was a movie, he is either going into a redemption ark or a villain ark.
if he loses by 7 points its his own fault there was plenty of mistakes from other races and multiple races where oscar gave up first choice.
and if anything this win wasnt handed to him by lando when he kept the guy behind 40plus laps who just got a lucky undercut
Crazy how ocon was confirmed to hass less than a day after this
Which episode did Guenther said Magnussen text him about a phone number for another team boss?
Guenther for Audi team Principle!!
Oscar is going to be a cross between Vettal and Kimi and worth far more investment than Lando.
Out of both drivers, one's father made deals with McLaren and the other got in on skill / making the team payout $18,000,000 to Danny Ricc.
How tall is Günther? Saw him in an interview he looks huge
So who else thinks Webber made sure there's a release clause in Oscar's contract that if the team favours the other driver too much, then he can f off somewhere better?
Rockstar is the McLaren car. Vanka is the McLaren team.
Yes sirrrrrr let's go you just made my last hour of work not hell
He (Zak) went to Toronto because Rossi broke his thumb in a crash and wanted to be "there" to make sure T.K. didn't drive and PoorChair got there on time.
I see this video as a way to talk to Guenther. First, welcome back to N.C.. Throw this man s parade.
It was the stupidest decision forcing lando to be second does McLaren not want to win 😂😂😂😂
Andrea Stella now has one job and one job only until the end of the season... make sure Lando Norris doesn't get anywhere near within 7 points to Max Verstappen.
Did Guenther just refer to McLaren's "(our) bet"? Maybe someone at McLaren/Mumtalakat has a nice bet riding on Verstappen to win the title? It would explain why they gifted him 7 points.
Max wouldve watched all that back with real relish. Lando has his own team to fight as well as everyone elses. Psyche ****
NORRIS OVERRATED
WOW u guys. Let the Man Speak. Instead of tripping all over yourselves. And ask more sport related questions instead of closing it up all the time. U guys are waiting your precious interview.
i agree with Günther…
This drama felt a bit engineered
Heyyy Gene
what if Lando will be second in the last race and Piastri first, then Mclaren can ask Oscar to help him
37:39 🤣🤣🤣
Do you guys not realize you can watch sim racing on team redline twitch? Why are we so uninformed? DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
RUTHLESS!!!
The summer break is a reasonable time to tell Webber his guy is playing wing man now, and alot easier now Oscar has a win to his name
think of Hiroshi!
yellouwwwww Vankerrrrrrrrs
Could McLaren have double stacked and covered Hamilton?
Double stacking was not viable as Piastri was just under 2.5 seconds ahead of Lando. Doing soo it could have lost Lando some time (then in such situation double stacking could be costly in the event the first pit stop is not mint, maybe the wheel gun is a bit faulty)
Hamilton undercut Lando and if they didn't pit him quickly (the next immediate lap), the undercut was going to work and Lando loses the track position to Lewis (no more 1-2) and given how it was difficult to overtake on track as it's very petite.
Piastri not being up to pace is what made things even weirder.
Exactly! Lando is second in the points Why the FUQ would you do that to Lando!
How about he stops throwing race wins away? He won only 1 yet he has the best car for the last 7 races.
Exactly!
Oh come on, not stupid comment about an adult's bed time
They lost the chsmpionship with the mentality to cover Hamilton. Defending fresh air as MBrd says.
The reasoning behind covering Hamilton is legit wise.
Hamilton pitted first (doing an undercut on Lando, the driver ahead of him). With fresh tyres he had very good lap times and if Lando didn't pit immediately he would lose the second position to Lewis as he would rejoin behind him (once he pits later on), that would not have been ideal for Lando as it was beginning of the last stint and overtaking on track was difficult (even with good pace and tyre advantage, the circuit is soo petite).
Soo by not pitting Lando quickly to respond to Lewis undercutting it could have most probably have had Lando finishing third.
The main problem was it's Piastri who was leading and Lando pitting before him (an undercut) was most definitely going to work as the gap between them was below 2.5 seconds. If it had been Max who was leading and Lando undercut him and it was successful, Lando would have won the race with no guilt and team orders.
Good news he's not longer F1 Team boss ...pilots I think very happy he's out
I agree Lewis definitely turned in to Max.
Max is a hard core racing driver. He would never just accept P5.
For the last few races you can see Lando knows he can win a championship and everytime something is happening that works against him.
The team is not complementing the efforts him and Oscar are putting out on track.
In Silverstone both of them had chance to win (especially Lando who was ahead all along) but the strategy calls f*cked that up, 3-4 at the chequered flag.
The team is consistently making big mistakes each grand prix with strategy calls. At the end there are no good results (esp a win) and it will have Lando questioning if he is good enough for the championship.
Lando vs max and Oscar vs max. Oscar is more likely to be able to pull off 2021 because he’s less emotional than Hamilton. And Stella is more political savvy and sensible than Toto.
?? Oscar is not as good as Lewis. Needs way more experience, can we leave Lewis alone the man was 36 or some shit.
Dumb dumb
What??
Do u remember the way Stella was crying after Austria? Outright said the 2021 thing was robbed and he doesn’t think max is a great etc. crying like a baby, toto was still in his senses
5:21 Since when does Gunther have knowledge of how to deal with winning?
Guenther is legend ... to me, he is himself. But those guys ... they are definetly overacting ... tooooooooo much (i mean ... those fake laughs ...brrrr). Tone it a bit down guys ... please ...
bruh you guys are so annoying. I feel like the chances of you adding something to the conversation is based on the flip of a coin. Please think before you speak and stop trying to be entertaining.
Take your " bruh " word, and f.........
It's very low of you to mention Nicole and a prediction that his son is going down. Despicable. Just stop mentioning her and go about your business, why don't you?
In my opinion, McLaren should have got the 1,2 at silverstone, but the team shot themselves in the foot. Time to fully back Lando and stop Mr Horny Horner
Sounds like a good way to lose one of the best talents on the grid. Oscar is not there to play second fiddle.
@cj3087 I agree Oscar is going to be great, and if he was 2nd in the drivers championship, in my opinion, I'd say back him all the way.
@@dmpunk85 The chances Lando is actually going to chase Max down for the championship is so small that going down that road would probably outweigh the damage it could do between the garages.
G-Easy.. 😂😆 nope!!
@21:26 Hold your horses cowboy!
It was LH who steered in to MV.
MV was first at the apex, HE had the right to choose his line, LH stoically continued to get his own line. THAT caused MV to lock up his front.
It doesn't matter if MV was upside down or backwards, he had the right to choose his line.
And the what happened, LH steered in to him, twice, knowing MV locked his front and was not able to avoid a collision, the exact thing LH was required to do.👴🤷♂
@23:19 Right, it was very calculated when he steered twice into MV.👴👌
@23:34 Exactly, carefully watch LH from the front, and his left, brightly yellow gloved came significantly up and visible, twice.👴👌
@23:54 Just take a minute and carefully look back, it was as deliberate as deliberate can be, freezingly calculated.👴🤷♂
@24:37 From here it's just fantasy.👴👎
@26:17 YES, Brits undeniably love motorsport, especially F1. As long as there is a Brit leading.👴🤮
@28:31NO, every single driver must have that mentality.👴🤷♂
But I still like your podcast though...👴😁
Obsessionnn 🎶
@@PeterKKraus ?
max was at the apex first becuase he came barrleing down so fucking fast lewis had no idea he was going to do that. Your clealy obsess lmao, what aloser
As usual its everyone else that are responsible for Max doing crazy moves and have to avoid his mistakes...
@@daveruda As usual, an unsubstantiated, argument-less generic rejection of detailed arguments.👴😏🤷♂
I love this show so much !.............. Cheers to all from Quebec !
Love how they get Guenther on now so we can hear his opinions in all their glory. Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺
@@aidan7933
Crofty is so annoying.
Oops! I thought this was Guenther's podcast. Just two more egocentric opinions I dont need, peace to you and yours