honestly, i thought 4M will slay the charts but i didnt expect Gfriend to actually win a lot. their song is good but all 3 of their songs sound the same/similar. i appreciate groups/idols who actually compose/write the lyrics (im aware most korean fans dont really appreciate such things either) and if GFriend DID write the lyrics then props to them for the wins. seriously, id expect at least WINNER, AOA, RAINBOW ect to win but man, 14 wins??!! smart move of the company to go for this concept and i have a feeling they got the idea from SNSD's concept when they debuted, they have similar music too. idk it may just be me. wish us international fans can vote or something too.
Well gfriend cant win anymore because they reached triple crown. Plus how come when snsd reached like 12 wins or something with gee and they dont get hate?
+Henry Truong Cause SNSD (though it low key pains me to say this) they do have charm and a stage presence that just draws you in. I'm not gonna say Gfriend doesn't have visuals (cause it's Kpop every group has visuals) but they don't really bring anything unique or different... Like at all. SNSD (from my knowledge) came during the 3rd-ish generation of Kpop where every genre was experimented and they were one of the first to nail the naturally innocent yet spunky concept.
iScream Love were they also the first one to nail the army concept too? a lot of their concepts were actually successful (or at least what im aware of) except the bad girl concept
I'm extremely upset that 4MINUTE didn't win NOT AT LEAST 3 trophies ! 1 would NOT be enough but at least 3 or 5. 4MINUTE put more work into this comeback (the vocals, rapping, dancing, visuals ... The fact that they had to freeze their ass off for this) than GFRIEND & any group so far this year! ... I truly love Gfriend but Rough isn't a song that deserved to win 14 times against Hate. I'm so frustrated because this world is so UNFAIR !
hate deserves to win, and all other songs deserve to win too based on those music shows ranking criteria, just have to know the criteria and act, buy their albums, download, digital sales, stream the music, vote on line, text/sms vote etc, it take not only time but money... its all commercial...
I'm crying watching this. They've tried so hard but they're not winning and I don't want them to disband. They're such a unique and amazing group. 4Minute deserves so much better.
Even though it was cut short, it's my favorite performance of this song because it's nice to hear their voices loud and clear! There's a lot of dancing, so it's refreshing and, even, impressive.
i feel proud for 4minute bc singing and dancing at the same time isnt that easy.. Im a fan of gfriend tho but im a fan of 4 minute too so both of u guys just keep on fighting!! yay!
i cant believe repetitive songs are winning on this awesome kind of performance, their mini is sooo darn good, i really cant believe it even after a month....
I literally love this song and 4minute in general. I am a BUDDY (a.k.a Gfriend's fandom), but seeing people comments whining why GFriend got so many wins in music shows make me felt mixed feeling to fellow 4nias. Everyone deserved the wins. Rough got many wins because Korean fall in love with the song. Dont judge the song like that because everyone has their preferences.
Just b/c its Koreans preference doesn't mean they should win, obviously 4m works harder so they should win, I'm a buddy too, but 14 wins is too much 4 minute should've won at least once
It's ok 4nias even though they didn't win they won in our hearts! Let's hope that everything goes well for ours girls and we will support them %100. 4minute fighting
Poor 4minute, because this song didn't do well on Korean chart so they get treated like that. Their performance got cut almost 1 minute and the name of their song doesn't even write properly on the title.
im so sad now,4minute is the first girl group i have know in kpop industry.they look really tired.they really deserve at least 1 throphy.they also a hit on 2009 which also one of the group that leads kpop.plsss cube ent dont disband them.i live them so much 😢😢
I feel like 4M like I really do. I'm not a stan but I know they deserved like 3 wins. Gfriend to me isn't even all that good¿? Like I'm sorry (not really) but they literally got famous because of their viral video of that one girl eating stage. (Yes, I'm coming off rude but I don't care rn.) Gfriend deserves a win yes but 14?!! You fucking kidding me rn?! 14?!?! Bitch bye. I haven't been this offended since YG sent Park Bom into the dungeon. Like what kind of fuckery is going on rn that 4M can't have a SINGLE win?!?!
4Minute fighting!! saranghae!!! love u all so much! :-) I love their outfit so much! it's so pretty! love Sohyun and Hyuna so much! everyone look so pretty !
so sad .. their last performances for this comeback .. they make a 'heart' sign also .. poor my ladies .. I dont know how can they dont won anything ..
I'm an ARMY and frankly speaking, their song is really good and they deserve to win an award. Hate is really an addicting song, I can't get over to this song and I also like their Canvas it's pretty good. I hope they'll win on any music shows 😊 Hwaiting!! 😀
You guys are all complaining about why my queen cant have a single win? But when it comes to voting and buying album. You didnt do anything. Just supporting is not enough
fcking no back up dancer, fcking cutting jihyun's part, so much cut in the song. DID HALF OF THE KOREAN 4MINUTE FANS JUST DIED LIKE WHY DID THEY NOT WIN ANYTHING THEIR STAGE IS ABOUT TO END I AM SO UPSET OMFG
Btw, has anyone received Jihyun's hearts? Oh, I will really miss my queens ! They didn't win bcuz they didn't do well with this comeback in Korea, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good comeback because it was, actually one of the best! Hate is an amazing song, that's why it slayed internationally! I really want them to renew their contracts and to have another comeback this year! 4M is my favorite girl group
Despite the awful editing by MBC, our girls did enjoy the stage and had good mood today! Even our girls did not win this time, I am sure they are always the best in 4Nia's hearts❤ Hearts by Namji: 0:470:55 SoHyun: 2:05 and HyunA:2:54 They reminded me of the cute goodbye stage during Volume Up era lol Check it out!
I doubt very much 4min would disband, yes the album is technically a flop in Korea but it's doing so well internationally ('Hate' is no.1 in China and top 10 in other countries), it would be strange to just disband. 4min gets a lot of revenue abroad which is something you can't say for a lot of kpop groups. Kfans don't appreciate 4min but we international fans do. 4min has evolved musically and they're grown, they've outgrown Korea and that's pretty much it.
how come they didnt even win once?!?!?!?! they r one of the most successful girl groups and they get treated like this?!?! omg i wanna swear... they performed like 100 times i swear and won nothing
+Pamela Toh Well Jihyun did say (but not explicitly) that if this album doesn't do well, they won't renew their contract except mabye Hyuna because she has her solo career :'(
Justice need to be done seriously! I mean I don't expect 4 minute to have a lot of wins, I just want to see them win at least once! Is that so hard to ask for? Can Korean fans appreciate 4 minute's cool and unique music? UGH!😧😠
I really feel for 4M they haven't won yet but they are trying so hard, also i have noticed i feel like they have given up usually their peformances have so much energy but this peformance and some of the recent "Hate" peformances hasn't had much energy and they look tired and exhausted. This is just my opinion
how would you feel like ? honestly even in this video each one of them seem like they're about to cry , they worked so hard for this comeback yet they didn't won anything , literally nothing , and their contract is based a lot on this comeback , if this comeback doesn't success then they might disband and end their contract with cube , that's why everyone is upset / sad , most groups that won didn't really deserve to win , something seems really fishy though :/ Also loving your videos
x C y n d y x I agree with all of that, its so upseting i dodn't even wanna think about them splitting up or i will cry myself, ya ikr i feel like this year so fare its been really dodgy with who is winning, however all groups are gonna have their bad times they jsut need to fight through it and i bet their next comeback will be bigger and better and they will slay everyone, also atleast all us fans are supporting them through tough times! Also thanks haha
First time I've seen a 4MIN member that obvious of a mistake at 2:10 - Still, amazing performance, but I feel so bad seeing my favorite group being cut :(
como no equivocarse si les cortaron la canción de cualquier forma y una falta de tacto de recortar la última presentación de un grupo. Tendría que haber sido como el día que cantaron Hate entero y parte de Crazy
Instead of blaming mbc for cutting their perfomance i just want to think that, they did cut it because 4m are singing live and its kinda exhausting. #4minute
The song cuts mustve been made day of cause hyuna looked confused and messed up dureing the most simple part which i find not right..MBC needa let em do the whole song since its their goodbye stage...still gayoon vocals really slayed and my queens i love yall
I guess most of the Koreans doesn't appreciate this kind of music ... But international fans do :] . Kinda sad that they din't win anything in this comeback
so apparantly they diddnt win anything at all this entire comeback. How is this even possible! and now they even forced to cut down their song and performance. This is bullshit! I hope they know how much we liked this comeback. We love you 4minute!
I feel bad for my girls. It's so sad see this goodbye stage. 4Minute, we love you. Please, stay together for more 10 years. The world need your music. And I am really angry with koreans. These people just can buy songs from groups with same old concepts. KOREANS: I HATE YOU! I DON'T NEED YOU!
Damn. "angry with koreans" "these people" "KOREANS: I HATE YOU!" As a Korean who loves this song+4MINUTE and knows many other Koreans that feel the same way... that was really fucking rude and I hope you're like 12. how can you just generalize an entire country and an entire people because a song doesn't do well there -.- ugh
honestly, i thought 4M will slay the charts but i didnt expect Gfriend to actually win a lot. their song is good but all 3 of their songs sound the same/similar. i appreciate groups/idols who actually compose/write the lyrics (im aware most korean fans dont really appreciate such things either) and if GFriend DID write the lyrics then props to them for the wins. seriously, id expect at least WINNER, AOA, RAINBOW ect to win but man, 14 wins??!! smart move of the company to go for this concept and i have a feeling they got the idea from SNSD's concept when they debuted, they have similar music too. idk it may just be me. wish us international fans can vote or something too.
+Jay Vii they do not compose or write any of their songs
Well gfriend cant win anymore because they reached triple crown. Plus how come when snsd reached like 12 wins or something with gee and they dont get hate?
+Henry Truong Cause SNSD (though it low key pains me to say this) they do have charm and a stage presence that just draws you in. I'm not gonna say Gfriend doesn't have visuals (cause it's Kpop every group has visuals) but they don't really bring anything unique or different... Like at all. SNSD (from my knowledge) came during the 3rd-ish generation of Kpop where every genre was experimented and they were one of the first to nail the naturally innocent yet spunky concept.
iScream Love were they also the first one to nail the army concept too? a lot of their concepts were actually successful (or at least what im aware of) except the bad girl concept
If the international fans could vote then they probably wouldn't have gotten the 14 wins tbh.
I'm extremely upset that 4MINUTE didn't win NOT AT LEAST 3 trophies ! 1 would NOT be enough but at least 3 or 5. 4MINUTE put more work into this comeback (the vocals, rapping, dancing, visuals ... The fact that they had to freeze their ass off for this) than GFRIEND & any group so far this year! ... I truly love Gfriend but Rough isn't a song that deserved to win 14 times against Hate. I'm so frustrated because this world is so UNFAIR !
agree
hate deserves to win, and all other songs deserve to win too based on those music shows ranking criteria, just have to know the criteria and act, buy their albums, download, digital sales, stream the music, vote on line, text/sms vote etc, it take not only time but money... its all commercial...
agree:( I'm not even a 4nia but this is completely unfair :
yepp. i feel so bad bc i saw hyuna & jihyun cried in one of their performances :(
ikr :(
WHO ELSE WAS PERSONALLY OFFENDED WHEN THEY CUT JIHYUN'S SECOND PART
YES! I was waiting for that part.
I'm crying watching this. They've tried so hard but they're not winning and I don't want them to disband. They're such a unique and amazing group. 4Minute deserves so much better.
Their performance should not be cut! This song is amazing
WHY DO THEY HAVE TO CUT THEIR PERFORMANCE WHEN ITS THEY ARE THE MOST SENIOR ONE
+Bevan Wong I thought that it's their goodbye stage? :(
+鄧青青 I think that they still have a performance in SBS INKIGAYO tomorrow
+Bevan Wong Because the song is bad and isn't doing well at all.
Because the song didn't do well...
+DwwwD It's not bad.. it's just not doing well in charts.
Even though it was cut short, it's my favorite performance of this song because it's nice to hear their voices loud and clear! There's a lot of dancing, so it's refreshing and, even, impressive.
4minute are awesome and it makes me sad that they are not appreciated
right :'(
at least they have an international fanbase to love them.
+Moonlight yep! it shows that they'll always have fans ♡
Me too :,/
+Moonlight this is true:) I mean, I am from Greece (such a small country), where few people actually listen to k-pop.
also i hope korean music taste becomes more open rather than just an instant #1 for cutesy shit or because of a popular company
yes, im salty
i totally agree
Agree
One of the eldest group out there and not winning on music shows and get cut. Wow
Love gayoon for styling them. ...she does an amazing job
i feel proud for 4minute bc singing and dancing at the same time isnt that easy.. Im a fan of gfriend tho but im a fan of 4 minute too so both of u guys just keep on fighting!! yay!
not once , not twice
they should win over 10 times with this song
4minute fighting!!!
4Minute doesn't deserve the word " Best "
they are better than best!!
4minute fighting!!!
4nias fighting!!!
They did their best with these promotions (as always)!!! Slay 4minute!
4m still gets the most views!
ALWAYS FLAWLESS! I hate how most of the performances were cut -.-
Shout out to the passionate fans who screamed their way through. They convey the love international fans can't give. Thank you so so so much.
woww Hyuna has so mush confidence and energy in this ep.
i cant believe repetitive songs are winning on this awesome kind of performance, their mini is sooo darn good, i really cant believe it even after a month....
I think it's my favorite comeback
I literally love this song and 4minute in general. I am a BUDDY (a.k.a Gfriend's fandom), but seeing people comments whining why GFriend got so many wins in music shows make me felt mixed feeling to fellow 4nias. Everyone deserved the wins. Rough got many wins because Korean fall in love with the song. Dont judge the song like that because everyone has their preferences.
Just b/c its Koreans preference doesn't mean they should win, obviously 4m works harder so they should win, I'm a buddy too, but 14 wins is too much 4 minute should've won at least once
The screams made me cry omggg i wish i was there....
4minute fighting!!4nias will always support you!!
It's ok 4nias even though they didn't win they won in our hearts! Let's hope that everything goes well for ours girls and we will support them %100. 4minute fighting
Poor 4minute, because this song didn't do well on Korean chart so they get treated like that. Their performance got cut almost 1 minute and the name of their song doesn't even write properly on the title.
im so sad now,4minute is the first girl group i have know in kpop industry.they look really tired.they really deserve at least 1 throphy.they also a hit on 2009 which also one of the group that leads kpop.plsss cube ent dont disband them.i live them so much 😢😢
Im not a fan of 4M but i believe this song deserves a win
me too. MBC is so rude to cut some of their parts 😒
I feel like 4M like I really do. I'm not a stan but I know they deserved like 3 wins. Gfriend to me isn't even all that good¿? Like I'm sorry (not really) but they literally got famous because of their viral video of that one girl eating stage. (Yes, I'm coming off rude but I don't care rn.)
Gfriend deserves a win yes but 14?!! You fucking kidding me rn?!
14?!?!
Bitch bye. I haven't been this offended since YG sent Park Bom into the dungeon. Like what kind of fuckery is going on rn that 4M can't have a SINGLE win?!?!
For*
'FUCKERY' 😂😂😂😂
same
Exactly my thoughts.
Agree!!!
I think I have to listen to some 4minute songs, I start to like them
It's sad that they didn't win anything in Korea. They deserve international recognition and they deserve new company!
i'm impressed by the fanchant !!!
This must be the most comfy stage outfit ever in kpop history
Hyuna at the end... omg
4Minute fighting!! saranghae!!! love u all so much! :-) I love their outfit so much! it's so pretty! love Sohyun and Hyuna so much! everyone look so pretty !
so sad .. their last performances for this comeback .. they make a 'heart' sign also .. poor my ladies .. I dont know how can they dont won anything ..
Gayoon is so perfect !!!
HyunA's voice is really something❤ It's really unique❤
something's wrong
yep they got cut out and the sound track was awful
Exactly
and there's no dancers
MBC cut their performance ...
they cutted all the performances
I'm an ARMY and frankly speaking, their song is really good and they deserve to win an award. Hate is really an addicting song, I can't get over to this song and I also like their Canvas it's pretty good. I hope they'll win on any music shows 😊 Hwaiting!! 😀
Even if they cut the perfomance, it was sick! Great job once again, girls!
WHY THEY CUT OUR PEFECTION GROUP'S PERF?
When theyre senior tho
your profile say it all😂😂
Jihyun = cold face with heartau XD
I LOVE YOU
You guys are all complaining about why my queen cant have a single win? But when it comes to voting and buying album. You didnt do anything. Just supporting is not enough
4 Minute needs to WIN I LOVE THEM AND THIS SONG SOOOOO MUCH
fcking no back up dancer, fcking cutting jihyun's part, so much cut in the song. DID HALF OF THE KOREAN 4MINUTE FANS JUST DIED LIKE WHY DID THEY NOT WIN ANYTHING THEIR STAGE IS ABOUT TO END I AM SO UPSET OMFG
i can start a salt production company from the tears of 4nia.
THEY FREAKING KILLED THIS COMEBACK.
THEY TOTALLY DESERVED THOSE 3 WINS.
It was because of 4minute I got obsessed with Kpop , so sad they disbanded forever a Gayoon Stan 💗💗
Jihyun is so cute with the hearts :3
i love 4m. ❤THEY DESERVE TO WIN.
Btw, has anyone received Jihyun's hearts? Oh, I will really miss my queens ! They didn't win bcuz they didn't do well with this comeback in Korea, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good comeback because it was, actually one of the best! Hate is an amazing song, that's why it slayed internationally! I really want them to renew their contracts and to have another comeback this year! 4M is my favorite girl group
2:05 Sohyun why you're so cuuute ❤️
ill probably that one fan who's screaming their lungs out when i go to a concert
me too
one statement.
4 Minute deserves to win.
jihyun's love sign at 0:56 looks so sad i gonna cry T___T
another perfect song after crazy
ALREADY MISSING THE QUEENS ❤️👑❤️👑❤️👑❤️👑❤️👑😭😭😭😭😭
Despite the awful editing by MBC, our girls did enjoy the stage and had good mood today! Even our girls did not win this time, I am sure they are always the best in 4Nia's hearts❤
Hearts by Namji: 0:47 0:55
SoHyun: 2:05 and HyunA:2:54
They reminded me of the cute goodbye stage during Volume Up era lol Check it out!
they really should have won at least once for this song ugh. their song got cut and they haven't won for this song and it's so sad.
i love 4 minute so much
4Minute deserves better 😔
Ok mbc i understand that you need to make time for other performances but this is 4minute's freaking goodbye stage! Let them have their moment
I doubt very much 4min would disband, yes the album is technically a flop in Korea but it's doing so well internationally ('Hate' is no.1 in China and top 10 in other countries), it would be strange to just disband. 4min gets a lot of revenue abroad which is something you can't say for a lot of kpop groups. Kfans don't appreciate 4min but we international fans do. 4min has evolved musically and they're grown, they've outgrown Korea and that's pretty much it.
Hyuna was so cute at the end :D
how come they didnt even win once?!?!?!?! they r one of the most successful girl groups and they get treated like this?!?! omg i wanna swear... they performed like 100 times i swear and won nothing
Their music is being appreciated by international fans, but not really by Korean fans.. :(
Pamela Toh ye... How can this not be a hit in korea.. i thought they liked western styled music
Rosie Lee I guess they don't really like all western like songs. :/ I'm afraid 4 minute's contract won't get renewed.. 😧
+Pamela Toh Well Jihyun did say (but not explicitly) that if this album doesn't do well, they won't renew their contract except mabye Hyuna because she has her solo career :'(
Daphné Pauline Oh no, I really want them to continue together as 5. What we can only do is just hope they won't get separated..
Justice need to be done seriously! I mean I don't expect 4 minute to have a lot of wins, I just want to see them win at least once! Is that so hard to ask for? Can Korean fans appreciate 4 minute's cool and unique music? UGH!😧😠
I love 4M and more Jihyun!
I realized why they give a love sign with their hands. they need the support... (sorry for the english laungage)
why why did they cut their performance? THEY ARE SENIORS AND THIS COMEBACK SLAYS
They're doing the LOVE gesture to all fans
Seriously?The LAST PERFORMANCE?
So sad to heard that : (
I really like the song>_
I really feel for 4M they haven't won yet but they are trying so hard, also i have noticed i feel like they have given up usually their peformances have so much energy but this peformance and some of the recent "Hate" peformances hasn't had much energy and they look tired and exhausted. This is just my opinion
how would you feel like ? honestly even in this video each one of them seem like they're about to cry , they worked so hard for this comeback yet they didn't won anything , literally nothing , and their contract is based a lot on this comeback , if this comeback doesn't success then they might disband and end their contract with cube , that's why everyone is upset / sad , most groups that won didn't really deserve to win , something seems really fishy though :/
Also loving your videos
x C y n d y x I agree with all of that, its so upseting i dodn't even wanna think about them splitting up or i will cry myself, ya ikr i feel like this year so fare its been really dodgy with who is winning, however all groups are gonna have their bad times they jsut need to fight through it and i bet their next comeback will be bigger and better and they will slay everyone, also atleast all us fans are supporting them through tough times! Also thanks haha
+x C y n d y x Whats fishy... no back up dancers?
I need 4minute to win! Come on let them win at least once!
not fair! this song deserve at least one win aish!!
the 4nias screaming for 4minute's win :'( I feel you :(
I can't believe that they cut their performance holy shit they are 4minute and not any group O.O WTF is going on ....
First time I've seen a 4MIN member that obvious of a mistake at 2:10 - Still, amazing performance, but I feel so bad seeing my favorite group being cut :(
Oh! I didn't notice that. Hyuna & Gayoon do the same..
como no equivocarse si les cortaron la canción de cualquier forma y una falta de tacto de recortar la última presentación de un grupo. Tendría que haber sido como el día que cantaron Hate entero y parte de Crazy
what a pity!! they deserve NO.1
why why WHY ?!!! I want 4minute to win so MADLY!!! at least once 😢😢😢😢
this amazing girls deserve to win!!
SLAYIN LIVE PERFORMANCES
Dude awesome performance, but the screams though oh my god
God damn you MBC !!! How dare you to cut 3 times per smog 👿👿👿👿👿
4Minute this was a great stage ❤
Love you forever 😍
Ellas merecen ganar un premio :(
this song is perf😍
I love 4M
Instead of blaming mbc for cutting their perfomance i just want to think that, they did cut it because 4m are singing live and its kinda exhausting. #4minute
why??!!!! -_- why did they cut it??!!!!!! shirroooo!! why did thry do this to the sunbaes??? how cruel....their last performance why??
What are they going omg you kiddo me
hyuna socute
4minute fighting!!!!!fighting!!!!!fighting!!!!!fighting!!!!!fighting!!!!! I always support all you !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kind of loving the fact that the korean for "hate you" sounds like "cheater" haha
They look exhausted... but always put on a great stage!
+BasalKibble I feel they are upset because of MBC asking to cut the song.
4minute fighting!!!!!
always be your fan!!!!!
MBC how can you cut 4minute's performance when their performance on MBC from only 3 weeks ago has over 1million views!
Ikr ?.. It breaks my heart . I hate MBC now
i am satisfied with just the 1 second 2:55
The song cuts mustve been made day of cause hyuna looked confused and messed up dureing the most simple part which i find not right..MBC needa let em do the whole song since its their goodbye stage...still gayoon vocals really slayed and my queens i love yall
Why 4MInute not get win in this comeback??
I guess most of the Koreans doesn't appreciate this kind of music ... But international fans do :] . Kinda sad that they din't win anything in this comeback
Christina Koh yeah, fans local not appreciate, international fans really apreciate!
Koreans are more in into the "Cute" concept. 😂😭
+Nicole Wooz 😣😣😣
Nicole Wooz yeah, like GFriend
urghhh....u gotta win my wueens u deserve all the wins..Cube Fighting your the best
so apparantly they diddnt win anything at all this entire comeback. How is this even possible! and now they even forced to cut down their song and performance. This is bullshit! I hope they know how much we liked this comeback. We love you 4minute!
2:10 Hyuna and Gayoon fail :/
They cut the original song in so many differents parts that's why they messed up.
I feel bad for my girls. It's so sad see this goodbye stage.
4Minute, we love you. Please, stay together for more 10 years. The world need your music.
And I am really angry with koreans. These people just can buy songs from groups with same old concepts.
KOREANS: I HATE YOU! I DON'T NEED YOU!
wow. the stupidity within this one is real.
+Nich B what happened!!! i dont understand
can u explain me what it means "goodbye stage"????
karen gonzalez they're last time performing this specific song on live music shows.
Damn.
"angry with koreans" "these people" "KOREANS: I HATE YOU!"
As a Korean who loves this song+4MINUTE and knows many other Koreans that feel the same way...
that was really fucking rude and I hope you're like 12.
how can you just generalize an entire country and an entire people because a song doesn't do well there -.- ugh
Sena Park even 12 years olds have more sense than that prick. i wouldn't be one bit surprised if theyre 21 or hell 45