A SMALL CORRECTION: WHEN DESCRIBING THE 700 YARD SHOT AT THE WAGON BOX FIGHT. IT WAS PRIVATE SAM GIBSON THAT MADE THE SHOT. ALTHOUGH HE WAS RIGHT BESIDE JOHN GARRETT WHEN IT HAPPENED . THIS MISTAKE WAS DO TO A MISPRINT IN MY BOOK.
The amount of information covered from prototype, production, to field service is awesome. Keep it up! Also the Tails to the Trails podcast is an amazing compendium.
Another excellent video, on par with your Colt deep dives, well done. There are two things I think would have improved this: First, a more detailed examination of the ammunition and the reasoning that went into it--a lot of information about this can be found in "Metallic Ammunition for the Springfield Breech-Loading Rifle-Musket. Ordnance Memoranda No. 8, 1870." Second, a discussion of the rifle's ballistics, which again, can be found in Memo 8. This is an important, and often ignored, aspect of historical weapons, but understanding the external and terminal ballistics (particularly) is crucial to understanding their use, especially with regards to what was called the "dangerous space." This is the distance from "first catch" (head hit) to "first graze" (foot hit) when aiming at the waist for each given sight setting, or, in other words, if you aim at the waist, how close do you have to estimate the range at each given sight setting in order to hit the enemy somewhere from his head to his foot? You made a good point by talking about the private who was skilled at distance estimation, but there's so much more to it. This subject was carefully taught by the military (see CPT Stanhope Blunt's books of the period), because without this skill long-range combat marksmanship was impossible. One other interesting aspect of the ammunition covered by the Memo is the grease; as you pointed out, it was bayberry tallow, but it also included graphite (8:1 ratio tallow to graphite), which I have never seen anyone try.
Very well done! I can only imagine what firing one of these for the first time must have been like for the guy fully accustomed to a standard muzzleloader. What a change! 👍👍
Hey that Bannerman 1866 sure looks familiar. Thanks again garrett for offering me my first trapdoor. I really love it already. I definitely like the length and can see why this gun would have been perfect for a family in the 1870s
I was able to purchase a 1853 Enfield that was converted by Remington Arms for Hiram Berdan in 1866. It is stamped on the opposite side of the lock plate, "Patented Feb. 28, 1866". The lock plate is stamped as the maker being Barnett. The design is the first type with no ability to lock the breach in place after being fired other than the hammer resting on the firing pin. It is in excellent condition with deep tiger's tail striping throughout the stock. It also has the ramrod channel maker stamp. Unknown as to if it was confiscated by the Federal Government after the War from confederate surrender stock is not known. The original ladder sight is moved forward to accommodate the trapdoor on the breach. It also has not been restored and has a barrel and all furniture brown. It is equipped with a Springfield musket ram rod in brown from the passage of time. It is possible it was issued to the Maryland Guard after the War at some point. From what I understand Berdan planned to get a contract with the British Government to adopt a breach loading rifle because like the United States they knew the future in warfare would make muzzle loading muskets obsolete. Making due with old stock Enfield musket's to fill the gap until a design dedicated using a true breach loading firearm could become a reality. As everyone knows the British did not choose the trapdoor model and adopted the Snyder version. I believe most people believe Berdan "stole" the trapdoor design from another inventor. (Allen)
Great Video. Educational and entertaining. AS many times as you guys mentioned how hot the barrel was, I kept expecting you to stick in a clip from the movie "Springfield Rifle" when a young Martin Milner tells Gary Cooper, "Sir, these things get hot".
oh yeah bang bang forgot to mention ive just traded some old .30 carbine parts for a hawken a rifle ill post a video when i get the rifle pretty excited
Speaking of Buffalo Bill, have you been to Buffalo Bill's Well, the other Buffalo Bill, Bill Mathewson? Not much there but it's still historically neat.
Do I detect prejudice for the Trapdoor action over the Rolling Block? You are aware that Custer had acquired a Rolling Block in 50/70 by 1874? There are photos of him with it and game he had taken during the Black Hills campaign. I have learned if it was a Remington, or a clone made at the Springfield arsenal. I have read where he purchased commercial brass cased ammunition rather than use government issue rounds. It ids the rifle that he carried to the Little Big Horn. And yes, I prefer the Rolling Block over the Trapdoor action.
Yes, I am aware of custers rolling block. I have original rollingblocks and trapdoors and I like them equally however the i do think trapdoor was the superior military weapon having a half cock that could be safe when loading. It had ejection where the rolling block only had extraction. Lastly, the trapdoor has gas ports. When a case fails, it sprays gas sideways, whereas the rolling block blows gas straight, backing the face of the shooter when a case fails. Now I do believe that the rolling block is a better big game civilan rifle.
Off topic again. Sorry. But my conical bullets wont fit in the (pietta) remington... so instead of filing this, and boring that, i just took a bastard file to the conicals and made wad cutters.
A SMALL CORRECTION: WHEN DESCRIBING THE 700 YARD SHOT AT THE WAGON BOX FIGHT. IT WAS PRIVATE SAM GIBSON THAT MADE THE SHOT. ALTHOUGH HE WAS RIGHT BESIDE JOHN GARRETT WHEN IT HAPPENED . THIS MISTAKE WAS DO TO A MISPRINT IN MY BOOK.
I’m loving these TD videos. I appreciate all the work you guys put into them. Can’t wait til we hit 1881😉
lol well im gona have to get to work that will be like ep 08
@@Real11BangBang I figured it would be a bit but I will still enjoy the ride there👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
The amount of information covered from prototype, production, to field service is awesome. Keep it up! Also the Tails to the Trails podcast is an amazing compendium.
Thanks!
Outstanding video brother and everyone else
thankyou very much.
You are welcome my friends and thank you for sharing your aboudance of information
I cant wait. Looking forward to this for some time.
I really hope you enjoyed it
@@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods definitely!!
Keep watching this trailer just to hear Rose of Alabamy
Another excellent video, on par with your Colt deep dives, well done. There are two things I think would have improved this: First, a more detailed examination of the ammunition and the reasoning that went into it--a lot of information about this can be found in "Metallic Ammunition for the Springfield Breech-Loading Rifle-Musket. Ordnance Memoranda No. 8, 1870." Second, a discussion of the rifle's ballistics, which again, can be found in Memo 8. This is an important, and often ignored, aspect of historical weapons, but understanding the external and terminal ballistics (particularly) is crucial to understanding their use, especially with regards to what was called the "dangerous space." This is the distance from "first catch" (head hit) to "first graze" (foot hit) when aiming at the waist for each given sight setting, or, in other words, if you aim at the waist, how close do you have to estimate the range at each given sight setting in order to hit the enemy somewhere from his head to his foot? You made a good point by talking about the private who was skilled at distance estimation, but there's so much more to it. This subject was carefully taught by the military (see CPT Stanhope Blunt's books of the period), because without this skill long-range combat marksmanship was impossible. One other interesting aspect of the ammunition covered by the Memo is the grease; as you pointed out, it was bayberry tallow, but it also included graphite (8:1 ratio tallow to graphite), which I have never seen anyone try.
i may try to fit that in the next video
@@Real11BangBang I just emailed you a copy of the Memo.
Great work, fellers. Love the shooting and the history!!! Keep it up.
thankyou very much santee
The Wagon Box Fight! OMG, someone actually presents History! Thank You!
Lol your welcome
Thanks for all your wonderful work Garrett appreciate the video
thankyou very much for watching!
I really enjoyed this. Can't wait to see what you do next. Thanks for all the time you spent on this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very well done! I can only imagine what firing one of these for the first time must have been like for the guy fully accustomed to a standard muzzleloader. What a change! 👍👍
oh yes. many troops thought of these the same way ww2 guys thought of the garand
Another great video, thanks fellas
Glad you enjoyed it
Absolute excellence as usual!
thankyou very much
Thank'ee to the Woods. -an old Oregon Hillbilly
thankyou Pilgrim
Nice intro, I like it
Oh thanks
Hey that Bannerman 1866 sure looks familiar. Thanks again garrett for offering me my first trapdoor. I really love it already. I definitely like the length and can see why this gun would have been perfect for a family in the 1870s
I was able to purchase a 1853 Enfield that was converted by Remington Arms for Hiram Berdan in 1866. It is stamped on the opposite side of the lock plate, "Patented Feb. 28, 1866". The lock plate is stamped as the maker being Barnett. The design is the first type with no ability to lock the breach in place after being fired other than the hammer resting on the firing pin.
It is in excellent condition with deep tiger's tail striping throughout the stock. It also has the ramrod channel maker stamp. Unknown as to if it was confiscated by the Federal Government after the War from confederate surrender stock is not known. The original ladder sight is moved forward to accommodate the trapdoor on the breach. It also has not been restored and has a barrel and all furniture brown. It is equipped with a Springfield musket ram rod in brown from the passage of time. It is possible it was issued to the Maryland Guard after the War at some point.
From what I understand Berdan planned to get a contract with the British Government to adopt a breach loading rifle because like the United States they knew the future in warfare would make muzzle loading muskets obsolete. Making due with old stock Enfield musket's to fill the gap until a design dedicated using a true breach loading firearm could become a reality. As everyone knows the British did not choose the trapdoor model and adopted the Snyder version. I believe most people believe Berdan "stole" the trapdoor design from another inventor. (Allen)
lol oh yes. lawsuits abound. we will be getting into the triangle of berdan maynard and allen in the next episode
Great Video. Educational and entertaining. AS many times as you guys mentioned how hot the barrel was, I kept expecting you to stick in a clip from the movie "Springfield Rifle" when a young Martin Milner tells Gary Cooper, "Sir, these things get hot".
haha i should have. I forgot about that
oh yeah bang bang forgot to mention ive just traded some old .30 carbine parts for a hawken a rifle ill post a video when i get the rifle
pretty excited
We will be looking for it!
Hey do you have a spare 1866 breech block? I have a nice 66 without one
lol unfortunately no
I want a trapdoor BAAAAD
lol they are a blast!
Speaking of Buffalo Bill, have you been to Buffalo Bill's Well, the other Buffalo Bill, Bill Mathewson? Not much there but it's still historically neat.
No I haven't il have to look that up!
@@Real11BangBang if I remember correctly, you can also see wagon ruts from the Santa Fe Trail as well.
Pretty sure that accident Ian had was a detonation in an AR.
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Do I detect prejudice for the Trapdoor action over the Rolling Block? You are aware that Custer had acquired a Rolling Block in 50/70 by 1874? There are photos of him with it and game he had taken during the Black Hills campaign. I have learned if it was a Remington, or a clone made at the Springfield arsenal. I have read where he purchased commercial brass cased ammunition rather than use government issue rounds. It ids the rifle that he carried to the Little Big Horn. And yes, I prefer the Rolling Block over the Trapdoor action.
Yes, I am aware of custers rolling block. I have original rollingblocks and trapdoors and I like them equally however the i do think trapdoor was the superior military weapon having a half cock that could be safe when loading. It had ejection where the rolling block only had extraction. Lastly, the trapdoor has gas ports. When a case fails, it sprays gas sideways, whereas the rolling block blows gas straight, backing the face of the shooter when a case fails. Now I do believe that the rolling block is a better big game civilan rifle.
Off topic again. Sorry.
But my conical bullets wont fit in the (pietta) remington... so instead of filing this, and boring that, i just took a bastard file to the conicals and made wad cutters.
Lol, how was waight consistency?
@Real11BangBang not that exact, but very similar with practice. I could weigh them tho I suppose.
@@Real11BangBang but I don't hit shi anyway. 😄