Is murder really stronger than insanity? Mirrored insanity retake analyzation.
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
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Dust clears. Like Insanity barely has any feats. This because Zero’s (OG creator) didn’t make a depth story about Insanity, it more felt like a concept rather than a actual story.
The only good thing Insanity has is:
- Strength
- Infinite stamina
- DT (can just reset at best)
Downside:
- Speed. It’s unknown how fast he is. So, currently speed is unknown.
- IQ/BIQ. He literally has little to no thoughts. If he hears anything he’ll just immediately attack it without any thinking.
- Durability. Dude is extremely weak. He is described to be one shot.
- Doesn’t uses Gaster Blaster. He just won’t use them at all. He finds them boring.
So, from what I can gather from Ask-DustTale, Dust is much stronger than Classic in every category. Which is speed, strength, IQ/BIQ, and durability.
Although, speed and strength are a bit questionable, but I do think Dust would win in terms in luck. Simply because Insanity hasn’t shown any speed feats, and it also doesn’t help that he’s extremely weak in terms durability. Yes, Insanity has infinite stamina but ONE good hit from Dust, and Insanity is good as dead.
Yeah I fell flat on the Biq part
Insanity is faster than normal sans, to what extent cannot be said because there needs to be a "feat" physically or something.
Insanity's durability would also be theoretically high, with his maximum HP being in the higher end of the several hundreds. He's only a 1-shot because of how much damage he's already taken.
He does use blasters, but only out of necessity. It's not like he doesn't use them at all, that's blatant flanderisation.
@@__UTF__ wow man, didn't expect you here. But I mean, guess a few stuff is cleared outta the way
@@__UTF__ huh, I wasn’t expecting you.
Anyways, I’m a little confused with Insanity’s gaster blaster. I couldn’t find any info of him using them for emergencies. Was it on a replied comment? Did he gave you a draft? Because I had to re-listen to Insanity’s story, and it’s nowhere stated that he’ll use them for emergencies. It would be nice to have a bit more info about Zero’s Insanity.
You’d be correct that Insanity would have high durability/HP, but the guy didn’t bother to heal himself. Since apparently, Insanity was to busy stalking the human before meeting him in the judgement halls.
Speed is still a bit questionable since we’re not given context as to how long did he took to kill every monster. Sure, it does say he’s faster but like how fast? Is he 1% faster than the original? Is he Minecrafter speedrunner? Context would be nice.
@@IDK-qq7ct Ive asked Zero about his sights on insanity before he gave me ownership. He has envisioned insanity using blasters before, i got this through DMs on Discord.
Insanity hasn’t healed himself due to several reasons, one being that he doesn’t feel hunger and another being that he cannot save when the human falls down. He would definitely be able to save against murder though.
Speed itself is complicated, but i’d say he’s way faster than classic. He can easily outrun Frisk, even when they’re sprinting.
When you realise insanity has 1 hp + sans "dodging" is actually just him slowly moving left to dodge frisk's slow ass slash
He has 20 hp
@@Jupiter12th find at least 1 proof that he do .
love the video, well made and finally started putting some slight respect on insanity!sans, HOWEVER
- insanity in no way gets battle iq unless it's in context of a physical (hand to hand) fight, which would be a whole different point, murder has much more effective tactics and strategies, even when he chooses to go berserk he plans it.
- insanity having durability would be correct, however it is heavily implied murder has fought people like undyne (undying is outright confirmed) and asgore and take beatings at low lv. however insanity would get endurance, since he can take more of a beating and continue fighting.
- some things you didn't mention as well, murder has stuff like chemicals (that could possibly make insanity's body tired without him being such, confusing him and giving opportunity) and items (such as legendary hero and sea tea, which would buff him), and, unlike insanity, still has kr as a judge, any hit to insanity WILL HURT.
I do think murder wins both cases, however if insanity jumps him it's more of 70% 30%, insanity has the chance if he plays his cards right, but like... yeah
not really sure but you seem to be referencing the novel version if im correct, a version where he was able to speedblitz undying. putting HIM against insanity would be like hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby, also for battle IQ. its in a way where due to murders thinking logical factor, he would likely not land much hits since insanity is unpredictable, also murder likely only killed every monster once. while insanity did it countless of times, not to forget EVEN if he got tired it wouldnt affect him as its confirmed papyrus's skull is a key factor at having him awake due to constant crying and tearing.
@Coolmanthethird okay, let's do this.
- nah, not referring to the novel, like you said it'd be like a nuke vs a baby 😭
- murder has been said to keep killing everyone over and over, forever, as the human continues to reset
- murder, not only, is also unpredictable, but is quick to adapt to situations that he didn't think of, also how does insanity being unpredictable give him biq over murder?
@@justhorrorlol I don't have as much knowledge on murder as I do on insanity, so my bad if I screwed up. But novel would still be like that since insanity would get speed blitzed
Im new to this whole undertale stuff aswell so. I wasnt aware of the canon until like my second animation.
@@Coolmanthethird novel is in general a whole lot stronger, and it's alr
My interpretation of how murder came out on top is that in phase 3, insanity becomes so insane and aggresive to the point where he makes dumb decisions that are easily punishable/very readible. I think the only realistic way dust won is that he realized this fact, and utilized it to his advantage.
Here's my take on this match up
Atk
Dust's (unknown)
Insanity: 99
Def
Dust's (unknown)
Insanity: 99
Hp
Dust's: (unknown)
insanity: 1/??? (could be 100 in the low end or 999 at the high end)
Iq
Dust is just as smart as normal sans
Insanity is confirmed to be very dumb lol
Biq
Dust can be very strategic but also relentless in battle, adapting to opponents, calculating plans but he is quite impulsive as well but when he's nearly dead, he retreats so he can recover and attack
insanity's attacks are mostly random
Edit: it seems i didn't give insanity enough credit since he has some type of primal instinct that improves his fighting skills dramatically
Magic
Dust uses his magic really well since he changes his attacks every time the human comes back and take inspiration from other monsters attack patterns as well
Insanity i
Stamina
Dust could fight for a long, long, long time but he can still get tired eventually
Insanity has infinite stamina
Hax
Dust can remember resets, true resets and even when the world is erased
Insanity can resist death but he would revive with only 1 hp, can come back from death with the save point if he's the most Determined one in the underground (depends on the setting) also he can use the save point to heal but doesn't since he lacks the brain to realise he can do that
accomplishments:
Both killed everyone in the underground though dust has done multiple ways, since in later resets he kills undyne and asgore when they have their guard down
Insanity did kill everyone in the underground though in this timeline it was much earlier, since this was before the 4th human soul fallen down in the underground, even before gaster shattered across space and time
Overall
Tbh it's hard to say who wins, since murder doesn't have any confirmed stats except he has LV 19/20 but he did beat everyone in the underground so he should be capable of tanking some attacks and deal a lot of damage, as well being much smarter and strategic than insanity but insanity is physically more powerful but he's pretty much one shot since he never healed himself but that stamina is real issue for dust as well tho the biggest problem is the save point, depending on the setting murderer will eventually lose or fight eternally if the human isn't there.
Dust does have confirmed stats-
@Ririannana not really, since ask dusttale, who told us that they didn't thought about the stats and left it to our interpretation.
@@febajoe2773 ohh
You forget another thing, murder sans is likely to teleport away if he feels he'll lose.
And later on lure insanity into a death trap.
Which would lead to insanity's demise. As insanity may have the durability advantage but you gotta remember murder can still use KR. So insanity will get oneshotted.
You can’t just tap out of battle
@@gamercentral2417 yeah but if we take long term battles then yeah, murder could simply slightly tap out and come back with a stupid trap.
@@gamercentral2417 if you call that running cowardly then I could say the same for insanity as he would unpredictably run away.
@@SansINess53 no. Like he literally can’t. The battle system only allows a flee if the monster is willing to let you flee
@@gamercentral2417 suddenly you want to bring undertale shit in.
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I don't see Insanity using much hand to hand combat as, well... answer this, if you give an insane person a gun, would he throw it to the ground and instead use his fists? probably not, so why wouldn't insanity spam his magic like an insane person? and for the murder starting it thing, doesn't insanity also canonically have Dt? Murder canonically doesn't, and Murder is almost never gonna start it as canon insanity doesn't wait and talk.
“If you give an insane person a gun”
That’s the problem. You’re trying to assign logic to insanity sans when he quite literally doesn’t have common sense.
@@phoenixsenju8984 I'm talking about the fact that he has magic, he would use everything in his arsenal wouldn't he? One moment, he'd go melee, the next he'd use magic. At that point he'd completely overpower Murder, even if Murder got the drop on him. I used the "if you give an insane person a gun" as a metaphor, if you give an insane person a gun, that's another addition to whatever arsenal he has. I'm saying that insanity wouldn't just completely go with melee and he'd switch to magic and melee at random. so that'd give him the advantage in both melee and magic, wouldn't it?
infact, insanity sans has artificial DT while murder sans has real DT, enough determination to see save points and to nullify their function.
@@bearthebeast5917he's stated to prefer hand to hand combat rather than using his magic. That also explains how he has cracks on his head. Simple as that.
@@how.mad.are.you0 I'm meaning when insanity does use magic... I'm pretty sure insanity is stronger in terms of magic anyway is he not? INF stamina means he can use as much magic as he wants, and wouldn't Murder technically melt if he had Dt or at least something about him gets messed up? Does Murder gain Dt later on? Does he already have it?
Good review. Keep you the good work.
Insanity just doesn't feel pain, he is literally just murder sans but dumber.
Finally I’ve always wondered who would win canonically though I still stand by my statement that dusts canon name is dumb I mean murder is just a bit weird like imagine calling dustdust murdermurder tho maybe we should call canon Dustdust that anyway nice video
@@dust_error0101 L take imo
@@justhorrorlol opinion respected
If we are using zero's insanity it would be a very close match
Insanity sans doesnt use blasters because he cant, he uses it because he doesn't want to. He wants the duration of the fight to last longer so he has his fun but i assume when he is in a tough situation, he WILL use them but not spam them. Next, considering insanity sans chooses to use hand-to-hand combat and bones most of the time we can know that Insanity sans gets close to his opponents to use these attacks and which in dust's case should be a bit tricky. Dust is still like sans but just stronger and a bit more strategic when it comes to fightting enemies but when it comes to an unpredictable speed demon like insanity trying to get close to dust, its over for him considering dust isnt really good at close combat.
Though, considering dust still maintains classic sans knowledge, he might be able to start changing his playstyle and play just like insanity sans considering insanity might just keep using the same playstyle over and over again. One hit from dust might be a killing blow because of his arsenal of attacks.
But then again, insanity sans durability might be insane(pun intended) and since he lost most of his emotions and senses, he might also lost the feeling to feel PAIN, thus he might break out of dust's combo and do one for himself.
So I agree, insanity sans takes the W most of the time
I don't quite agree with your analysis so i'll just put mine
Magical Strenght: Murder, he uses it better than insanity tbh
Physical Strenght: Insanity, he can oneshot frisk with one punch
Stamina: Insanity.
Durability: Murder, he has 84 hp while insanity is stuck at one because he probably got hit a lot in his genocide.
Experience: Murder, he went through 300+ genocides and killed everyone countless times.
LV: Murder, insanity didn't kill his brother.
BIQ: Murder, he can easily adapt and he's unpredictable as well, he also uses strategies
IQ: Murder, i don't need to explain this.
Overall: Murder no-low diffs.
Fair enough, also I messed up the biq part so that's my bad.
Why in durability Insanity Sans? I mean he got several damage to his skull but he stills having less DEF and HP than murder does, he could just dodge barely but still getting big injuries but still that Murder has better survivalist than Insanity, also count damage, AP and DC
He is more durable compared to murder, he took multiple hits to the head with 1 HP and survived
@@Coolmanthethird He just has a death resistance with high defense just to resist for low period of time in low hp
Here is the differences between murder and insanity.
Insanity fights like a 5 year old.
Murder sans mastered his abilities to such a insane level more insane than everyone else
Insanity has determination but he rarely takes advantage of it.
Murder doesn't but his soul can be said to be determined as in dusttale why would he just kill everyone to not be more determined than the human? And die? That wouldn't be the case, as murder sans canonically was shown time and time again to show signs that he is something like undyne.
So yeah.
Not to mention insanity having no damage effect so he would get damaged but won't feel it at the same time so it's a weakness and a strength of insanity. (Insanity probably has the same stats as murder)
Murder can feel pain.
There is a notable thing in undertale that people never use as a ability for sanses.
It's that sans literally dodges, like he negates your own attacks. To dodge them.
But there is a thing, insanity might be so insane to not even dodge.
Murder sans would dodge but some people think he can't.
Murder has insanely good stamina.
Insanity has semi-infinite levels of stamina.
Insanity rarely uses his blasters.
Murder uses them 24/7.
So who would win in a fight?
It is actually very close when you think about it.
Murder mastered his abilities.
Insanity lost his mastery in his abilities so he uses them recklessly.
Insanity has the higher stamina.
Murder has the smarts as a fighter.
As much as you all think, insanity would win.
It all comes down to either if murder becomes another 5 year old.
If he does, it's game over for murder.
If not, then insanity is way more screwed.
Since there is another factor, in the story of dusttale.
Murder can change up his attack patterns to be insanely unpredictable. (He literally can pull off a idutshane on insanity)
He can pull off idutshine? 💀
@@Murderer_Sans by knocking insanity out if he really tries to.
@@Murderer_Sans plus insanity has so much stacked on his mind so he won't be able to think.
@@Murderer_Sans remember if he fights seriously then imagine what he could do.
I'm sorry but I think what you defined as battle IQ is incorrect
Murder 100% has better battle IQ, it's just that battle IQ wouldn't apply as well against someone like insanity
Yeah my bad on that one
seeing you give durability to insanity even tho it was confirmed his durability is on par with classic is insane
It isn't? It was confirmed he has 1 HP due to all of the hits he got by magic. Possibly even surviving asgores trident which opened his mouth. He is durable.
should i make content related to this?
I have a question. It does not make sense for insanity sans. To only have 1HP Considering that sans in the actual game can still do one damage to the player if you're not including kr. I know insanity can withstand being hit by a train. But I don't know how much that makes sense considering if I am correct. He only has 99 defense. I always thought insanit's had much more HP Then just 1HP. Could you please explain that to me?
@@gdrum3040 it was confirmed from zer0 himself insanity had 1 hp, but he likely has durability to make up for that, so dont really know.
@@Coolmanthethird ok. Thank You for answering my comment.
@@gdrum3040to give context as to why Insanity has 1 HP. It’s because during his killing spree Insanity would just fight monster without any caution. This led monsters to attack Insanity head. At the end, Insanity didn’t bother to heal himself for unknown reasons.
@@IDK-qq7ct Oh oK, so if he healed himself, then his hp could even possibly be 99. Thank you very much.
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You should do error sans vs classic sans
If you consider this I can give you some information about error and most of his feats
@@finalyt219 wouldn't that be kinda overkill for classic sans?
@@Coolmanthethird error sans has:
Small building level attack
Small building level durability
IQ Small crying child’s IQ
BIQ: small caring child’s BIQ
Weaknesses: eye sight, touch, reboot. Lost to Underswap papyrus
Sans:
Has enough iq to murder this main with high difficulty
@@finalyt219 probably because i never finished the aftertale comics, but hey, thanks for clarifying.
0:58, Insanity doesn't have ONE hp, he just has less than 20. And at 2:52, Insanity would probably recover REALLY quickly, as he'd probably go right back to assaulting Dust before he can even process his chance. I know I'm being a nerd, I'm just an Insanity fan. (Also I just tend to think Dust is extremely overrated... I'm gonna get killed for that.)
I recall it was confirmed by zero or UTF that he had 1 HP. But I might be wrong nontheless.
@@Coolmanthethird Let's just assume he has atleast 2 HP, otherwise he wouldn't be able to have those wounds.
@@TinpotCo I mean, dont ask me. Im kinda new to undertale fandom myself. And the owner said that so... don't ask me about the logic.
@@Coolmanthethird Fair, but it's either 2 hp minimum or the lb approach.
@@TinpotCo he has 52 (confirmed by utf new owner of insanity) and no hit the entire underground and then got a direct hit by asgores red trident and went to 1 hp (Which sent him all the way through the wall from throne room to judgement hall meaning hes like high wall level durability)
Am lazy to read that so
No. Insanity destroys