HUSH LOOK! Wicked Christian god!👈 We want justice & fair monotheism! We don't need your Euro Jesus to die on the cross for our sins! And we don't need your evil three-dimensional complex monotheism! We need a fair Judgement Day! Not your UNFAIR satanic 👉✝
ISLAM : AN UNWANTED USELESS RELIGION 1) 1400 years ago God sent a software update which each human must download otherwise burn in hell forever Now everyone will be judged on the basis of Quran. 2) A God who sends people to eternal hell based on their identity religion belief system can never be God. 3) Belief in one God is possible without accepting Islam . Belief in Mohammed doesn't mean anything. So Islam is only about accepting Quran as word of God also you have to accept it's final because if it's not final that means it can be changed or new book can be chosen which Islam can't handle. Even if there is a God, belief is not required but even if you believe in God Islam is not required. 4) Quran dedicates so many verses to prove the prophethood of Muhammad and authenticity of the revelation. And for this Quran uses stories from Bible and torah it's very obvious that Muhammad knew of this stories because he lived where Christians & Jews were living & he was in contact with them. Instead of focusing on giving spiritual truth Quran delicates too many verses for this task. 5) Muhammad was born in a pagan family but he was attracted with the Abrahamic religions he tried to connect Allah with the God of the Abrahamic religion ended up creating a huge mess out of it. 6) Many of the rituals & practices in Islam are just a continuation from the pre Islamic Arabia there is no originality in them. If there are good things in Quran like : Charity Human intelligence is enough to know what's good & bad like charity. But Quran also has verses supporting Sexslavery. In surah 33:50 even Mohammed himself has slaves. If I was Allah I would give straightforward message like:: "Anyone who harms a woman in any manner, forces himself on her, enslaves her, will suffer worst torment in hell" Conclusion :: So basically Mohammed has forced himself on entire humanity. If he really was a spiritual person he could have focused on giving spiritual messages. He didn't have anything new to say anything good to say. But he was extremely good at fear mongering & Threatening.
@A-the-list Jesus is the only way: John 14:6, NIV: “Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. You are a sinner in need of a savior: Romans 3:23, NLT: "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard." Your words word defuse you: Mark 7:15, KJV: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man." Your speech shows who you are and what you are like: Mathew 7:15-20, NKJV: 15 (B)“Beware of false prophets, (C)who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 (D)You will know them by their fruits. (E)Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, (F)every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 (G)Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Jesus claimed to be God and yet there is only one God: John 8:58-59, NIV: 58“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
"you took the teachings of seventh century judaism. the teachings of seventh century heretical christianity that was in the middle east, the teachings of the pagans like going to the pilgrimage and walking circles around the kaaba, the teachings of various groups... it looks like you took everything around Muhammad at his time and STUCK IT INTO A BIG BLENDER.... and Islam is what came out of it" ~ David Wood History of the emergence of islam within under 1 minute!
Im an atheist I have a huge respect for david wood bcz he's a chill dude, he argues with you without yelling, without interrupting, just smooth discussions Unlike some of the muslim apologists that i can name
man how can you be atheist ? God talks to you and works in your life man seriously check and see before you label yourself a believer in meaninglessness brother, the only disappointment you'll have is that you took so long to see the truth God want's to communicate with you personally and privately and in a way you will know without a doubt he is real and powerful
@@Streetecho07 why this is a serious topic, why would u follow someone who tempts people and tempted Hitler to do what he did? Jesus loves u he died just so u can be saved
Speaking from an ex Muslim living in middle East (Me) , let me say that.. the biggest problem for Islam is #THE INTERNET REVOLUTION and i can't even confess here about my point of view because of fanatics people here.🙂😞
@@bestryfulhd2102 “For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)” Mark 7:19 You can not point to the Torah to say what Christians follow, because your aren’t following the Testament for all time to follow. All foods are clean, as Jesus declared. Also, Alcohol is a gift from God. Getting drunk is a sin. I’m gonna end this off with a passage, if you’re willing to listen to so much of the Bible, listen to this: “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,” Colossians 1:15-19 “But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.” Hebrews 1:8-10 “Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”” John 20:28-29 “For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” John 5:18 Stop abusing scripture to fit your incorrect narrative, you’re embarrassing yourself more than anything.
@@feduntu that Muhammed guy lost that debate. He was just better at generating a spectacle. I forget which of the two it is (and indeed I forget which of the two said it), but I believe it was "TO the prophet." Either way, Muhammed actually AGREED with David Wood in Wood's analysis of that debate after the fact. I remember that much, the very thing Wood was suggesting, Muhammed parrots acurately.
Islam is ROCKET SCIENCE for unbelievers. Allah tricked false preachers like David Wood and Christian prince and Apostate Prophet to ADMIT THEY ARE UNDER CONTROL OF SATAN using Satanic verses...and those preachers and their followers STILL DONT GET IT even when I explain them in details. It just shows if God does not give you wisdom to understand thing you wont be able to get it even if you have PhD like David Wood.
@@andrewdoraiswamy2199 I feel like it's slowly happening but if something happened on a large scale and the bubble bursted for everyone at the same time...I'm scared for WW3....
David's top 3: 1. The Islamic Dilemma (The Qur'an claims the Bible is preserved, yet Muslims claim it's corrupt) 2. Qur'an plagiarism from other religions/fables in 7th century Arabia 3. The arguments that Islam is true fall apart at the smallest bit of scrutiny (such as the argument that the Qur'an is beautifully written, that the Qur'an has been preserved, when there's entire chapters that are missing). AP's top 3: 1. The scientific mistakes in the Qur'an 2. Islam's strict imposition/control over your life (36:30) 3. Islam's violent intolerance.
but when the christians sincerely address these important issues 1.trinity 2. difference between father & son 3. corrupted bible according to chrsitian scholars (not muslim scholars)
@𐒛 𐒁 𐒆 𐒛 𐒐 𐒖 "... then fight and slay the Pagans [i.e. the non-muslims] wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)..." - The noble quran, 9:5
@39abat what about the gharquad tree? Hadith That States that in the end days the rocks and trees will say. “Come Muslims, there is a Jew behind me hiding, kill him” but only the gharquad tree will shield the Jews. It’s clearly showing an animosity towards Jews still in the end days. Clerics say that is why Jews are planting gharquad trees allover the world, but as a Jew I didn’t know about the gharquad tree until I studied Islam
Jixya extortion designed to drive Christians and Jews into poverty, the pact of Omar, outlines discrimination on the day to day living, the theft of Christian children and turning them into soldiers like the Janissary. If you are so sure that chapter 9 refers to a time of war, prove it. It says you are to kill because of what they believe, not because any other reason.
Muslims are FOLLOWERS OF GOD so in other words UNGODLY MAN is concerned who UNGODLY people are treated and disregards followers of God. Do you even LISTEN TO YOURSELF..you are literally siding AGAINST GOD.
Keep seeking truth and asking the true God to reveal himself and you soon will be, but please don’t delay too long.......Jesus is coming soon ❤️🤗🙏✝️😎👍🤩
@Jamal Ramadan If you made a video game, would the characters ever be able to see you through the screen? No. Does that mean they can say that you don't exist? They probably would unless you give signs that you do exist through other characters and the environment - this is what God has done with the prophets. We won't see God till the day of judgment, our lives have purpose or we would just ravage and destroy and kill for fun and commit suicide if there is nothing after death. Its silly to think the universe started from nothing
@Vicenzo Romeo Did you know that the burial cloth that Jesus was buried in has been preserved & is still in existence today? it's actually called the shroud of Turin & it's proven to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ proving His crucifixion & there's also evidence of His resurrection within the burial cloth. This also proves that the description in the gospels about the crucifixion & resurrection is accurate & wasn't made up like many atheists claim. This shroud contains physical scientific & forensic evidence proving that Jesus was crucified & rose from the dead & proves that the Bible is true. Here is the documentary. Watch it then comment after. peertube.fr/videos/watch/471f8d11-c42f-494d-b4b8-8702fda5e9c9
Appreciate AP’s patience in responding to overly cringey and over-optimistic Christians thinking they can easily slide him over into their religion. Please let the guy make his own conclusions. Love AP’s and DW’s commitment to freedom of thought a huge uniting factor for both. See- it’s possible to be friends if you disagree on something. Even possible to have respectful discussions without insulting and trying to shame another’s point of view. Thanks to both for making it happen.
THIS ☝️ my best friend is Catholic, I'm Luciferian. We both respectfully talk about our beliefs. She knows she will not change mine, I know I will not change hers. Doesn't change how we feel about each other.
David is taking way too much, AP can hardly get a word in, and his facial expression looks a bit bored or annoyed sometimes when David won't stop. I mean David is great and I love listening to him, but we want to hear AP too!
Thanks guys, for spreading the knowledge, to open the eyes of the blind, and giving understanding of those who want to learning, Lord Jesus bless you, and protect your family. 👍👍👍👍👍 🙏
@@keksl1703 high rates of sin? That truly depends on your definition of sin, i don’t believe in that in the first place and honestly couldn’t care less
Sister read the translation of the Quran with open minded, Islam is the last religion to humanity and Quran is the last holy book, the time is not in our hand, we will die eventually.
@@MD99111 Yes dear sister I absolutely agree with you that times are evil n eventually all going to die , so at this time humanity don't need any religion, humans needs Salvation, religion don't save any person from their sins, but the name of the LORD N SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST does,He died for you on the cross n rose again for your justification. Just believe in His Name n repent for your sins then you will be Saved, He is Messaiah of whole humanity. Ok if you have a hard time to believe that Jesus is Lord ,fine I understood, because I too faced the same situation, but try Praying to Him n ask him to reveal him to you , definitely he will do ,as he did it to me, till today he speaks to me . Remember believing in some religion, doing good deeds or something like that DONT cleanse your sins because the burden of our sins is so great that the Son of God came himself to bore that on himself. Religion can't save you , only blood of Jesus Christ.You are responsible for your sins right, then howcome you are depending on some religion to make you free .?? May the grace of our Lord n Saviour Jesus Christ be on you and guide you to Salvation.
And cult members can easily look the references up online and check they are true. Once they realise all the bad things about their scripture and cult founder, they realised they have been lied to all their lives and leave the cult.
If Allah did not preserve his Torah and Injeel, i just can't take him seriously. The only thing that supposedly can prove Muhammad is a Prophet is corrupted. Mohammed got no way now to prove he is a Prophet.
The logic is that many people must have come along and corrupted the truth, therefore everyone should throw away every known scripture and trust the retcon of a random guy who happens to give himself all the special privileges.
The funny thing is, if you read what the Islamic scholars in the tafsirs for example say on this topic, they argue that these texts have been preserved (based on what the Quran and Muhammad say)! Read Ibn Kathir on 3:78 for example: quranx.com/tafsirs/3.78 The scholars talk about people changing the meaning with their tongues, but never actually changing the texts.
@RetroMan but Muhammad got one prophesy right, he prophesied that "If anyone falsely claims to be a prophet Allah will kill him by cutting off his aorta" Muhammad in his dying bed repeatedly told Aisha that his aorta is being cut off and died soon after. He must be what he said untill the miracle of interpretation.
I agree 100% with your analysis of the rationale of Muslims when it comes to defending the validity of Islam and their Quran. And I give Jesus all the praise, adoration and worship for bringing me to his absolute knowledge. Jesus is and will always be the way , the truth, and the life.
We need more such friendly chats.. please introduce women vloggers too.. women listen to women.. let them speak up too.. ♥️♥️🙌🙌 as always, stay far away from 💥💥
Thank you , Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 for using this two men and for exposing the cult of Islam ☪️...I also pray one day AP will come to known you 🙏 😊 we known lord Jesus only you can make this kind of miracle 🙏 ❤...amen..
@@StonemanDW Yes Jesus Sayed I and the Father are one, but Jesus also Sayed in John 17:3 this is eternal life that they might know thee the only true God whom thee sent Jesus, according to Jesus the only true God is the Father, Jesus didn't Sayed directly I am father worship me, but in old testiment God directly informed prophets that he is God, the afterlife is very heavy for non believers, Jesus Pbuh is only a prophet from God same as Moses Pbuh.
AP and DW are men of our God sent to share the truth to the muslims and learn the difference of the Holy Bible from the confusing verses of the Quran. Praying for more wisdom, blessing, and protection of our God and reaching out more muslims to be enlightened
So true, muslim interpret their koran whatever they want for eg. koran said the earth was flat they all agreed and happy with koran and now we all know its not flat... now muslim said if you read the text carefully the koran say the earth is round. No consistency on muslim and their interpretation
EVERY religion is "The True Religion", to the exact same extent as every other religion. Just ask ANY follower of ANY religion- When you find one who says "Nah, my religion isn't The True Religion, but I decided to follow a FALSE religion", let me know.... You just traded one set of beliefs in magical occultism, for another belief in magical occultism...
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated who r u !?? I didn't ask ur suggestions, about Mary or anyone, ur comment is so irrelevant to my one.. Put ur copy pasted msgs somewhere needed 🔥
I'm only 10 minutes in where the discussion has been about reinterpretation re corruption of the Tawrat (Torah) and Injil (Gospels) - this corruption of interpretation has become a very common theme in the recent history of Islam - to support the notion that earlier books have been corrupted contrary to the Qur'an, to support "scientific miracles" in the Qur'an, to evade scientific mistakes in the Qur'an ("it's a metaphor!"), to evade historical mistakes in the Qur'an (e.g. Dhul Qarnyn is not Alexandar afterall) etc... ironically, some Muslims seem to have lost all respect for the Qur'an in their attempts to defend it. Unfortunately for them, they can't rewrite or erase all the tafsir, which tells us exactly how early Muslim scholars understood these verses and makes a nonsense of all their convolutions.
Hahahahhahahahahaha Do you compare the book of God to man made books .. You need to read Quran .. and see how it will change you .. either convert or either reject and know the consequences .
@@buddy9888 who is he ? There are muslims who leave islam ,, not because it has errors .. but because of their desires .. God say don't have alcohol .. some would reject Islam so that they can drink with out feeling its a sin ..
Interesting to see the development of these livestreams. So much is still the same, although you can clearly see some changes, such as the 1 hour stream goal.
We are so proud of you and prayed today for you and David wood all the bold Christian speaking truth of God. You are creating tsunami of people who are backing you and love you for making Lord Jesus proud and help enlitened many from generational lies
The only job of atheists is to "speak out against Islam." Islam has many good aspects, I have never seen an atheist talk about those good aspects. Why? you have very little knowledge about islam and Muslim. islam is an ideology which is clearly stated - how the country will run, who will be the caliph, what will be the law, how will the economy run, how to fight if necessary, how will the family run, how will the society run, how will the education run. Islam has its own separate Sharia law. There is a separate interest-free economic system based on gold currency. In Islam, there is everything! Even what you eat, what you can't eat, what you wear, what you don't wear, everything is clearly stated in Islam that no Muslim is never confused about these. Bearding, wearing hijab, even how to sleep is also told in Islam. islam is a global religion, it is called complete code of life.
Top problem of Islam? When you think of “the worst man ever” and call him the “greatest man ever.” It is over for you before it even starts. Imagine if Christians thought of Charles Manson as the greatest man ever. Imagine if Jews thought of Bernie Madoff as the greatest man ever. What a joke.
@@yusuffarah9790 Reference the two host of this show. They will tell you. I will tell you that a Savage people who cut heads off for drawing pictures from Mohamed & their blasphemy laws more than prove my point.
@@solvingpolitics3172 Where in the Quran does it tell us that we should cut peoples heads off if they draw the prophet? NOWHERE. People will interpret things wrongly just as the hosts are as well as you guys who they spoon feed misinformation. What blasphemy laws? You talking about Shariah Law? Do you even know about the true shariah law? You most certainly dont so EDUCATE YOURSELF on it. Watch videos on the "One message foundation" just as I have watched these videos. Do you even know about Islam truly or have you only been taught it through islamaphobes who cherry pick and take things out of context?
@@Agnostic6889 okey if you think that's true mention a verse in the quran that says that it's permissible to kill nonbelievers and rape people come one go ahead
@@salwahafid7946 Surah 3:151: “We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) ...” Surah 2:191: “And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them ... kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims).” Surah 9:5: “Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush ...”
“…the charge of corruption of the Biblical texts makes no sense at all. It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those of their brothers, let us say in Syria and Europe, would have been obvious…We believe that these Gospel accounts are the true Gospel.”-Muhammad‘Abduh, Egyptian Islamic scholar,1849-1905
Please make a video about muslims using other people. A guy used me for nearly 5 years to teach him languages online and others disciplines for free; we NEVER met in real life but I was always helping him with everything he needed, even with advices. I was so stupid thinking that I was doing that for a friend, because my husband, kids and I saw a friend in him. He even promised to talk with my husband. But he kept talking to me but he NEVER saw me as his friend. I was his unconditional friend who always had time for him, no matter how busy or troubled because of my illnesses I was. I was always there. I was a very good friend. But as you know, in Islam friendship between women and men is forbidden, but this guy kept this kind of friendship while he could get something from me. He always told me that he was not my friend, while I always devoted him my time to help him as good as I could. He even chose the times for his classes and I always adjusted to them. But as soon as I told him that I was not seeing any reciprocity and he didn't do any favor for me and I felt treated as a tool, he changed. He always said that according to islam one should keep people who is helpful to you. But he never helped me. The only time he tried to help me with urdu classes he didn't have the patience with me that I had with him all those 5 years and he simply threw me away as garbage. He showed me the "cold shoulder" and dismissed me. My husband and family really saw him as a friend of the family but he never saw us like that. He kept us in his life as long as I could be useful for his purposes because islam says so. But as soon as I couldn't help anymore he simply threw all of us away as if we were garbage. I even told him that my father is dying at the hospital right now and he didn't care at all!! 😢😢 He wanted to get rid of me as soon as possible because it was haram talking to a person of the other gender!! But it was not like that as long as he was extracting knowledge from me... So are muslims: they never keep people in their lives because of good feelings like gratitude, solidarity, piety or generosity. They never keep you in their lives because of your good qualities as human. They never see people as living beings or as sentient souls. They see and disqualify people because of their genitals!!! or their XX, XY chromosomes!!! Soooo primitive they are!!! They are like beasts with very little control over their hormones and because of that they must have these stupid rules and treat people as objects instead of looking at the soul of those people and consider that it is not even their fault being born as a man or as a woman!! Islam is a very cruel religion, which excludes HUMANS BEINGS because of their gender. They will just throw you away without any mercy as soon as you are not useful for them anymore.😢
@@sponge7479 But you told me: """you had a bad experience with a Muslim but we are not all like this"". Who is "we"? But anyway, un Islam friendship between men and women who are not maharam (relatives) is haram. And that's cruel. With such a law it's logic that muslims only use people of other gender because they are not allowed to develop any sympathy for them!!😢😢 Good feelings is what make us be good with other people but when that people is taboo for you then as muslim you become a person disconnected from your feelings like psychopaths are and you will only use other people, without feeling absolutely anything like piety or empathy for them. Islam is a very exclusive religion and unnatural to human being...
@@anuuhana Its not easy to quit an ideology that confines you under one singular strategy, namely FEAR. Of hell hereafter and of ostracisation here now.
@@snl1754 I understand. Hopefully she can out. For a tender soul is unnatural being kind only to your own gender and a psychopathic robot to people of other gender who don't happen to be your spouse or mom.
when critique or rebuke islam, sometimes I think it's much easier when you're just leaving islam and be an atheis (or agnostic, or just don't believe islam). I mean, you don't have to deal with defending or attacks on other religion (or idea) as distractions. But as long as you stick to the topic or the object (which is islam with all the books -- quran, hadith, sira, etc) and never been distracted from it (we know muslims always do that -- switching topic to distract and avoiding to answer, right?) you'll be fine.
Apostate Prophet also looks handsome, but 're: mark Able handsome'... one might consider Able was the hunter and Cain the farmer. Whether or not Cain was able to catch Able, unaware, uh, the commentary by the one who we do not call rabbi but calls himself a rabbi is somewhat, ignorant overservation/hair splitting, since Judiam, acknowledges a line can be carried on by a brother and genetically we know it's true. So even though Cain killed Able, his brother was bound to come up in Cain's line. So the hunter lives on.
People may have their own non sensical beliefs as long as they keep them within themselves but the problem is when they try to thrust them upon others by intimidation and taking life that it really intrudes with those beliefs instead of allowing others to find the truth. This is what is not acceptable. Seeking the truth and realising them is one thing and believing blindly something without seeking the truth in it is another thing. Forcing to believe without allowing the seeking of truth is just a propagation of blind faith without truth.
At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people Yeah Baby
Sounds about as believable as Mohammed flying to the moon on a donkey. I always find it completely bizarre, hearing people who reject one set of nonsensical occult magical claims, while they cling desperately to another, virtually-identical set of nonsensical occult magical claims... -"Pffft, I can't believe how crazy and ridiculous THEIR magical beliefs are... but MY magical beliefs are totally different, and completely true and legit and rational..." [every Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Mormon, Jew, Scientologist, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, etc, when asked about any religion that isn't their own]
@@baconsarny-geddon8298 Did you know that the burial cloth that Jesus was buried in has been preserved & is still in existence today? it's called the shroud of Turin & it's proven to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ proving His crucifixion & there's also evidence of His resurrection within the burial cloth. This also proves that the description in the gospels about the crucifixion & resurrection is accurate & wasn't made up like skeptics claim. Here is the documentary. Watch it then comment after. peertube.fr/videos/watch/471f8d11-c42f-494d-b4b8-8702fda5e9c9
@@baconsarny-geddon8298 Jesus birth, life and death was so earth shattering that history was divided BC & AD . Historical fact Jesus died & rise again Archeologist e discovering new finds daily to collaborate my amazing Jesus. ABT a decade ago the high priest Caiphas the Jewish high priest who questioned nd condemned Jesus, his issierary was found & in it were two nails discovered to come from crucifixion. Be that as it may. If we are wrong & Jesus is a myth we will be ok at the end of this age, if we are right nd Jesus stands as ur judge will you say It us well with my soul.
The whole “no one can write anything better than the Quran” thing is easily disproven just by using writings of Rumi…who was Muslim! He was no prophet. He was a “mere” poet. Yet he beats the so-called “word of God” easily.
I swear all you have to do is read the first two chapters of the Quran and you will entirely see and agree with what these two are discussing. You hardly even need to read further than that.
I am an ex Muslim. Now Hindu. Hinduism allows me to worship one supreme God or multiple gods or female God or a stone or a phallus denoting creation or worship a quality- love or even be an atheist. Or even invent a new philosophy. Or consider religion as just psychology. I can go to a temple or not go to a temple at all.i can say Hinduism is flawed and go unharmed. No straight jackets here.
@@bestryfulhd2102 “For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)” Mark 7:19 You can not point to the Torah to say what Christians follow, because your aren’t following the Testament for all time to follow. All foods are clean, as Jesus declared. Also, Alcohol is a gift from God. Getting drunk is a sin. I’m gonna end this off with a passage, if you’re willing to listen to so much of the Bible, listen to this: “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,” Colossians 1:15-19 “But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.” Hebrews 1:8-10 “Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”” John 20:28-29 “For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” John 5:18 Stop abusing scripture to fit your incorrect narrative, you’re embarrassing yourself more than anything.
ISLAM : AN UNWANTED USELESS RELIGION 1) 1400 years ago God sent a software update which each human must download otherwise burn in hell forever Now everyone will be judged on the basis of Quran. 2) A God who sends people to eternal hell based on their identity religion belief system can never be God. 3) Belief in one God is possible without accepting Islam . Belief in Mohammed doesn't mean anything. So Islam is only about accepting Quran as word of God also you have to accept it's final because if it's not final that means it can be changed or new book can be chosen which Islam can't handle. Even if there is a God, belief is not required but even if you believe in God Islam is not required. 4) Quran dedicates so many verses to prove the prophethood of Muhammad and authenticity of the revelation. And for this Quran uses stories from Bible and torah it's very obvious that Muhammad knew of this stories because he lived where Christians & Jews were living & he was in contact with them. Instead of focusing on giving spiritual truth Quran delicates too many verses for this task. 5) Muhammad was born in a pagan family but he was attracted with the Abrahamic religions he tried to connect Allah with the God of the Abrahamic religion ended up creating a huge mess out of it. 6) Many of the rituals & practices in Islam are just a continuation from the pre Islamic Arabia there is no originality in them. If there are good things in Quran like : Charity Human intelligence is enough to know what's good & bad like charity. But Quran also has verses supporting Sexslavery. In surah 33:50 even Mohammed himself has slaves. If I was Allah I would give straightforward message like:: "Anyone who harms a woman in any manner, forces himself on her, enslaves her, will suffer worst torment in hell" Conclusion :: So basically Mohammed has forced himself on entire humanity. If he really was a spiritual person he could have focused on giving spiritual messages. He didn't have anything new to say anything good to say. But he was extremely good at fear mongering & Threatening.
Honest question: Do you believe in Hinduism by blind faith or do you actually think there is some kind of evidence that Being a Hindu is the right way?
I find the apparent complete lack of evidence, according to Dan Gibson, of anything that resembles a city with walls, houses, gardens etc, at the time of Mo, to be a very potent argument. If he is right, and absolutely no archaeological evidence from the 600's can be found, then that kind of validates the theories right there, in my opinion. According to Gibson, nothing has been found that is earlier than the 800's. Thats pretty fucking weird, if there was supposed to have been an entire city.... Remember the islamic texts describes Mecca as a fully fledged city, with city walls, houses, waterways and agriculture, something must be left, traces of foundations, stone structures, metal-finds, graves, dung-heaps...something...
Please tell us which archaeological expeditions, in and around Mecca, Dan Gibson has led or participated in? If he has never been to a dig in Mecca, then which official expeditions does he cite (along with their dates and team leaders) as returning little or no evidence of 6th century civilization in Mecca? If he cites no such expeditions, then what reasons do we have to believe his claims?
@@alanbishopman he has done research, and looked for any evidence that may have been found already. He claims nothing has been found, and the Saudi authorities say the same thing. This is according to this documentary: ruclips.net/video/JOWFPTzK7D4/видео.html Watch it yourself, many of his finds are interesting, but the lack of finds is the most interesting. Try to google for yourself, the lack of any evidence, any museum pieces, anything, is pretty compelling. According to Gibson, whatever archaeology there has been going on, nothing has been found. Is he right? Its definitely a possibility. I dont know for sure yet, and the islamic version of events still stands, BUT if he is right, the origins of islam is blown wide open. And like i said, searching on the topic reveals more or less nothing, no Saudi museums boasting finds, no researcher claiming any finds from the 600's. Civilization leaves traces, and if there are no traces, there was no Mecca in the 600's as the islamic history claims. Not having been part of digs himself, is not really an argument, he claims to refer to the Saudi authorities and Saudi archaelogists and historians. They ought to know, right?
@@Timeren2010 OK. I'll play along. Gibson claims that Saudi Authorities have openly admitted that they've failed to uncover evidence of civilizational artifacts in and around Mecca either at or prior to 600 CE. Now, did you check with the Saudi Authorities yourself? Or did you just take Gibson's word for this? If you can give me the name of a single paper published in any peer-reviewed Saudi Archaeological Journal ("Atlal" would be the most prominent, and every single edition back to 1977 is also available in English) which substantiates this claim, then I'll concede defeat. That's my challenge to you. Take an hour out of your day... and see if you can find any evidence of Saudi scholars making this claim in an academic journal. If you get tired running that fool's errand, here's a list of scholarly publications that describe exactly the sort of actual archaeological discoveries which Gibson says have never been found in Eastern Arabia; in, around and including Mecca. 1.) Potts, D.T. 1991. The pre-Islamic coinage of Eastern Arabia. Copenhagen: CNI Publications 14. 2.) Bawden, G., Edens, C & Miller, R. 1980. The archaeological resources of ancient Tayma: preliminary investigations at Tayma. Atlal 4: 69-106. 3.) Kennet, D. (2005). On the eve of Islam: Archaeological evidence from Eastern Arabia. Antiquity, 79 (303), 107-118. 4.) J. Kister , "Mecca and Tamím ," Journal of the Social and Economic History of the Orient, vol. 8 1965 , pp. 113- 63. Did Dan Gibson forget to mention those?
@@alanbishopman did you read them? I havnt, but from what i can see, for instance, Tayma is nowhere near Mecca, the rest mentions eastern Arabia(Mecca would be western Arabia), one of them mentions mecca. We are not debating whether or not people lived in the saudi area in the 600's, we are debating whether there was a big city called Mecca or not. Does reading your documentation prove that? I bet you dont know, since i suspect you did all you could to find something, just something, thats even near to finds that positively concludes there was a big city called mecca in the 600's, and you probably didnt read your own documentation. Now since im not able to read them myself right now, i just have to take YOUR word for it? Why dont you, since you obviously read your own documentation, just make a page with the relevant finds, i'll be sure to visit... Like i said, whether Gibson is right, is still open to me, but if he is right, then all his other arguments just get that much stronger. Furthermore, i would expect scholars, archaeologists, historians, to refute Gibsons claim wholeheartedly, i dont see that when researching, i see silence.
@@alanbishopman also, do you know about archeaology at all, how much civilizations leave behind? How new constructions are usually built over top of older foundations, most often leaving ditches, foundation stones, evidence of burning from hearths, small finds, pottery etc. behind. Take the roman presence in Britatin for instance, the romans where there from year 43 to 410, and there are finds all over the place, entire villacomplexes are uncovered, bathhouses, mosaicfloors, rooftiles, small finds and most notably glass and pottery, which is omnipresent more or less. I am not convinced, but prove me worng, point to the exact finds in you documentation....who knows, you may be right, though i doubt it.
Not even a Muslim and I tried to enjoy the Koran. I read it all in a single week and still feel traumatized at how horrible of an experience it was.
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ISLAM : AN UNWANTED USELESS RELIGION
1) 1400 years ago God sent a software update which each human must download otherwise burn in hell forever
Now everyone will be judged on the basis of Quran.
2) A God who sends people to eternal hell based on their identity religion belief system can never be God.
3) Belief in one God is possible without accepting Islam . Belief in Mohammed doesn't mean anything. So Islam is only about accepting Quran as word of God also you have to accept it's final because if it's not final that means it can be changed or new book can be chosen which Islam can't handle.
Even if there is a God, belief is not required but even if you believe in God Islam is not required.
4) Quran dedicates so many verses to prove the prophethood of Muhammad and authenticity of the revelation. And for this Quran uses stories from Bible and torah it's very obvious that Muhammad knew of this stories because he lived where Christians & Jews were living & he was in contact with them. Instead of focusing on giving spiritual truth Quran delicates too many verses for this task.
5) Muhammad was born in a pagan family but he was attracted with the Abrahamic religions he tried to connect Allah with the God of the Abrahamic religion ended up creating a huge mess out of it.
6) Many of the rituals & practices in Islam are just a continuation from the pre Islamic Arabia there is no originality in them. If there are good things in Quran like : Charity
Human intelligence is enough to know what's good & bad like charity.
But Quran also has verses supporting Sexslavery.
In surah 33:50 even Mohammed himself has slaves.
If I was Allah I would give straightforward message like::
"Anyone who harms a woman in any manner, forces himself on her, enslaves her, will suffer worst torment in hell"
Conclusion :: So basically Mohammed has forced himself on entire humanity.
If he really was a spiritual person he could have focused on giving spiritual messages. He didn't have anything new to say anything good to say. But he was extremely good at fear mongering & Threatening.
@A-the-list
Jesus is the only way:
John 14:6, NIV: “Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
You are a sinner in need of a savior:
Romans 3:23, NLT: "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard."
Your words word defuse you:
Mark 7:15, KJV: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man."
Your speech shows who you are and what you are like:
Mathew 7:15-20, NKJV: 15 (B)“Beware of false prophets, (C)who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 (D)You will know them by their fruits. (E)Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, (F)every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 (G)Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Jesus claimed to be God and yet there is only one God:
John 8:58-59, NIV:
58“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
@Golden Eye, I disagree with point number two but thank you for commenting. I hope you end up having an awesome weekend!
I guess I also disagree with the first premise as well…. But not here to argue.
"you took the teachings of seventh century judaism. the teachings of seventh century heretical christianity that was in the middle east, the teachings of the pagans like going to the pilgrimage and walking circles around the kaaba, the teachings of various groups... it looks like you took everything around Muhammad at his time and STUCK IT INTO A BIG BLENDER.... and Islam is what came out of it" ~ David Wood
History of the emergence of islam within under 1 minute!
That line killed me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
By far my favorite comment
A vile cocktail...
@@christian.hansen the hangover for which the world is still paying
Im an atheist
I have a huge respect for david wood bcz he's a chill dude, he argues with you without yelling, without interrupting, just smooth discussions
Unlike some of the muslim apologists that i can name
Sadly, I can't name them because there are numerous of them
man how can you be atheist ? God talks to you and works in your life man seriously check and see before you label yourself a believer in meaninglessness brother, the only disappointment you'll have is that you took so long to see the truth God want's to communicate with you personally and privately and in a way you will know without a doubt he is real and powerful
@@jezwright8052 bro if God existed, i'd worship Satan 🤘
@@Streetecho07sadly enough you already are
@@Streetecho07 why this is a serious topic, why would u follow someone who tempts people and tempted Hitler to do what he did? Jesus loves u he died just so u can be saved
Tribute to our brother Nabeel. it still hurts. Though he is in the Lord's sight, we miss him.
Amen I wish he was with us still we must pray for his Daughter and Wife
Speaking from an ex Muslim living in middle East (Me) , let me say that.. the biggest problem for Islam is #THE INTERNET REVOLUTION and i can't even confess here about my point of view because of fanatics people here.🙂😞
That's terrible. Thankfully you got out of the false belief.
You've been set free ...great....Jesus blesses and protects you.
Wow... Where you from brother?
I got no chance but to be from Syria 😴
@@bestryfulhd2102 “For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
Mark 7:19
You can not point to the Torah to say what Christians follow, because your aren’t following the Testament for all time to follow. All foods are clean, as Jesus declared. Also, Alcohol is a gift from God. Getting drunk is a sin.
I’m gonna end this off with a passage, if you’re willing to listen to so much of the Bible, listen to this:
“The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,”
Colossians 1:15-19
“But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.”
Hebrews 1:8-10
“Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.””
John 20:28-29
“For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”
John 5:18
Stop abusing scripture to fit your incorrect narrative, you’re embarrassing yourself more than anything.
The best thing about Islam is nobody even needs to make straw man arguments against it... their own arguments are already hilariously bad
Seriously?
@@salwahafid7946 Allah doesn't pray TOO mhmd, he prays FOOOR mhmd 😂🤣
@@feduntu wtf ??
@@feduntu that Muhammed guy lost that debate. He was just better at generating a spectacle. I forget which of the two it is (and indeed I forget which of the two said it), but I believe it was "TO the prophet."
Either way, Muhammed actually AGREED with David Wood in Wood's analysis of that debate after the fact. I remember that much, the very thing Wood was suggesting, Muhammed parrots acurately.
Islam is ROCKET SCIENCE for unbelievers. Allah tricked false preachers like David Wood and Christian prince and Apostate Prophet to ADMIT THEY ARE UNDER CONTROL OF SATAN using Satanic verses...and those preachers and their followers STILL DONT GET IT even when I explain them in details.
It just shows if God does not give you wisdom to understand thing you wont be able to get it even if you have PhD like David Wood.
The worst thing is the politics of Islam. Islam is only 30% religion. The other 70% is about you and me.
The biggest miracle is that Islam still exists in the 21st century AFTER we have the internet 😱 Hoping the internet will be Pislam's downfall
ruclips.net/video/PgPGeASPCRk/видео.html
No hoping it's imminent.
@@andrewdoraiswamy2199 I feel like it's slowly happening but if something happened on a large scale and the bubble bursted for everyone at the same time...I'm scared for WW3....
That's because most of them are kept ignorant....not allowed to be educated too...all their education has to be from the Koran.
Pislam lol
The miracle of reinterpretation 😄😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Media Muhammad 😂😂✌️
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Islam Exposed ( Follow my Ch )
@@SinghisKing791 happy to 👍
Such a stupid religion...
David's top 3:
1. The Islamic Dilemma (The Qur'an claims the Bible is preserved, yet Muslims claim it's corrupt)
2. Qur'an plagiarism from other religions/fables in 7th century Arabia
3. The arguments that Islam is true fall apart at the smallest bit of scrutiny (such as the argument that the Qur'an is beautifully written, that the Qur'an has been preserved, when there's entire chapters that are missing).
AP's top 3:
1. The scientific mistakes in the Qur'an
2. Islam's strict imposition/control over your life (36:30)
3. Islam's violent intolerance.
Important comment
LP
The reference which David wood give at 33:16 can anyone tell me the spelling I want to look it up
Thank you
but when the christians sincerely address these important issues
1.trinity
2. difference between father & son
3. corrupted bible according to chrsitian scholars (not muslim scholars)
Kindly regaurds from Afghanistan.
I’m very lucky to see your likes are much than dislikes.
My biggest objection with Islam is "peaceful" Islamic expansionism.
In Islam, Peace means absence of opposition to Islamic oppression.
I wish these live streams were longer to be honest. This was very informative. GOD bless you both abundantly.
Nice coat. Congratulations on finifing your nice coat.
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One of the main objections I have is the way Islam treats those who aren’t Muslims
@𐒛 𐒁 𐒆 𐒛 𐒐 𐒖 "... then fight and slay the Pagans [i.e. the non-muslims] wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)..."
- The noble quran, 9:5
@39abat what about the gharquad tree? Hadith That States that in the end days the rocks and trees will say. “Come Muslims, there is a Jew behind me hiding, kill him” but only the gharquad tree will shield the Jews.
It’s clearly showing an animosity towards Jews still in the end days.
Clerics say that is why Jews are planting gharquad trees allover the world, but as a Jew I didn’t know about the gharquad tree until I studied Islam
Jixya extortion designed to drive Christians and Jews into poverty, the pact of Omar, outlines discrimination on the day to day living, the theft of Christian children and turning them into soldiers like the Janissary. If you are so sure that chapter 9 refers to a time of war, prove it. It says you are to kill because of what they believe, not because any other reason.
Muslims are FOLLOWERS OF GOD so in other words UNGODLY MAN is concerned who UNGODLY people are treated and disregards followers of God.
Do you even LISTEN TO YOURSELF..you are literally siding AGAINST GOD.
In Bible unbelievers are lesser both than Jews and Christians. Did you even read Bible??
I am not a christian , but i fully suport you guys 👍
I'm not a Christian but I appreciate that.
@@ApostateProphet Well i am very happy about that 👍 And i love your great work ❤
I am a Christian and I appreciate what Christ did for both of you🤗
Keep seeking truth and asking the true God to reveal himself and you soon will be, but please don’t delay too long.......Jesus is coming soon ❤️🤗🙏✝️😎👍🤩
@@ApostateProphet
Did you and David ever debate each other?
Leave Islam, accept humanity
The Apostate Prophet, peace be upon him, and the rightly guided Caliph, David Wood
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My bigest objection about islam
Is
There is no GOD IN ISLAM.
ONLY A STONE.
AND A GUY MOHAMMAD WHO HISTORICALY NEVER PREACH IN MEKKA.
ruclips.net/video/PgPGeASPCRk/видео.html
Even stone worshiping is haram is piSlam
@Jamal Ramadan bro I recommend u read 4agreements
@Jamal Ramadan If you made a video game, would the characters ever be able to see you through the screen? No. Does that mean they can say that you don't exist? They probably would unless you give signs that you do exist through other characters and the environment - this is what God has done with the prophets.
We won't see God till the day of judgment, our lives have purpose or we would just ravage and destroy and kill for fun and commit suicide if there is nothing after death. Its silly to think the universe started from nothing
@Vicenzo Romeo Did you know that the burial cloth that Jesus was buried in has been preserved & is still in existence today? it's actually called the shroud of Turin & it's proven to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ proving His crucifixion & there's also evidence of His resurrection within the burial cloth. This also proves that the description in the gospels about the crucifixion & resurrection is accurate & wasn't made up like many atheists claim. This shroud contains physical scientific & forensic evidence proving that Jesus was crucified & rose from the dead & proves that the Bible is true. Here is the documentary. Watch it then comment after. peertube.fr/videos/watch/471f8d11-c42f-494d-b4b8-8702fda5e9c9
Appreciate AP’s patience in responding to overly cringey and over-optimistic Christians thinking they can easily slide him over into their religion. Please let the guy make his own conclusions. Love AP’s and DW’s commitment to freedom of thought a huge uniting factor for both. See- it’s possible to be friends if you disagree on something. Even possible to have respectful discussions without insulting and trying to shame another’s point of view. Thanks to both for making it happen.
It's the friendship and genuine respect for each other that speaks to me
@@filnwo870 Me too Religious belief or not doesn’t get in the way of these two friends..
THIS ☝️ my best friend is Catholic, I'm Luciferian. We both respectfully talk about our beliefs. She knows she will not change mine, I know I will not change hers. Doesn't change how we feel about each other.
@@NosuchthingastransI love your username
From the Philippines 🇵🇭
Very nice to have you both... again 🤩!
I am also from the Philippines
"We're going to keep it to an hour long," they said...
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@@karldunne5595 Have you been taking lessons on irony and sarcasm from David's wife?
David is taking way too much, AP can hardly get a word in, and his facial expression looks a bit bored or annoyed sometimes when David won't stop. I mean David is great and I love listening to him, but we want to hear AP too!
@@joanneginever1890 AP needs a button to signal DW to wrap up his thought whenever he gets a bit too verbose.
@@tintinismybelgian agree, or something like have a certain number of minutes each for each point, roughly, doesn't need to be strict times.
Thanks guys, for spreading the knowledge, to open the eyes of the blind, and giving understanding of those who want to learning, Lord Jesus bless you, and protect your family. 👍👍👍👍👍 🙏
Did you just mention Jesus. The Bible is the most messed up book with lots of contradictions in it than any other book!
Respect to you both. Excellent work.
I honestly think that the world will be in a better place if Momo wasn’t born.
or my Quran was not into existence.
Is that way highest murder rates and sin in world are in Christian nations?
I fully agree with you
@@keksl1703 high rates of sin? That truly depends on your definition of sin, i don’t believe in that in the first place and honestly couldn’t care less
@@-flo4688 you all are believer in there's no God , and we are believers in God
It's an eye feast to see you both in one screen!
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Why is even Isa Al Masih in the Qur'an revealed as having power to create a bird from clay and breathe life into it ?
@@stevennorris9575 what does this have to do with the post lol
Sister read the translation of the Quran with open minded, Islam is the last religion to humanity and Quran is the last holy book, the time is not in our hand, we will die eventually.
@@MD99111 Yes dear sister I absolutely agree with you that times are evil n eventually all going to die , so at this time humanity don't need any religion, humans needs Salvation, religion don't save any person from their sins, but the name of the LORD N SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST does,He died for you on the cross n rose again for your justification. Just believe in His Name n repent for your sins then you will be Saved, He is Messaiah of whole humanity. Ok if you have a hard time to believe that Jesus is Lord ,fine I understood, because I too faced the same situation, but try Praying to Him n ask him to reveal him to you , definitely he will do ,as he did it to me, till today he speaks to me . Remember believing in some religion, doing good deeds or something like that DONT cleanse your sins because the burden of our sins is so great that the Son of God came himself to bore that on himself. Religion can't save you , only blood of Jesus Christ.You are responsible for your sins right, then howcome you are depending on some religion to make you free .?? May the grace of our Lord n Saviour Jesus Christ be on you and guide you to Salvation.
The DWAP Chats! I love them. So insightful, I learn so much from you both. Thankyou.
David Wood goes straight from point A to B with textual facts . God bless this brother ❤
And cult members can easily look the references up online and check they are true. Once they realise all the bad things about their scripture and cult founder, they realised they have been lied to all their lives and leave the cult.
@@toddbeamer6131 amen . Knocking down walls one brick at a time . ✝️
Loved this video! Please do more!
God bless you brothers love from India 🇮🇳✝️
AP + Dr. DW, a nice pair against tyranny.
If Allah did not preserve his Torah and Injeel, i just can't take him seriously. The only thing that supposedly can prove Muhammad is a Prophet is corrupted. Mohammed got no way now to prove he is a Prophet.
The logic is that many people must have come along and corrupted the truth, therefore everyone should throw away every known scripture and trust the retcon of a random guy who happens to give himself all the special privileges.
@@phun1901 lol wow that's exactly what it boils down to. Unbelievable logic.
The funny thing is, if you read what the Islamic scholars in the tafsirs for example say on this topic, they argue that these texts have been preserved (based on what the Quran and Muhammad say)! Read Ibn Kathir on 3:78 for example:
quranx.com/tafsirs/3.78
The scholars talk about people changing the meaning with their tongues, but never actually changing the texts.
Dear if you wanna make urslf blind to the proofs ofcrs you're not gonna see them.
@RetroMan but Muhammad got one prophesy right, he prophesied that "If anyone falsely claims to be a prophet Allah will kill him by cutting off his aorta" Muhammad in his dying bed repeatedly told Aisha that his aorta is being cut off and died soon after. He must be what he said untill the miracle of interpretation.
Excellent livestream. Could someone write a pamphlet based on the six points? That would be a great resource for polemists.
I agree 100% with your analysis of the rationale of Muslims when it comes to defending the validity of Islam and their Quran. And I give Jesus all the praise, adoration and worship for bringing me to his absolute knowledge. Jesus is and will always be the way , the truth, and the life.
I will never stopping viewing if it is Dr. DW. God bless you and your family Dr. David.
You two are wonderful brothers who speak the truth which will set them free from the darkness of the world by the Grace of Al mighty God .
We need more such friendly chats.. please introduce women vloggers too.. women listen to women.. let them speak up too.. ♥️♥️🙌🙌 as always, stay far away from 💥💥
Intelligent minds listen to intelligent minds. 🧠
David Wood is EXCELLENT. His logic is FLAWLESS! Listen to this man. His explanations are beautiful!
Keep going brother
Thank you , Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 for using this two men and for exposing the cult of Islam ☪️...I also pray one day AP will come to known you 🙏 😊 we known lord Jesus only you can make this kind of miracle 🙏 ❤...amen..
JESUS CHRIST ❤️ The LIVING GOD !
Upravo tako.
Jesus christ is not God, but his father is the true God, who created Mary and Jesus and all humans and all creation.
@@MD99111no bro Jesus is God in human form. Book of John even states this that the father and Jesus are one.
@@StonemanDW Yes Jesus Sayed I and the Father are one, but Jesus also Sayed in John 17:3 this is eternal life that they might know thee the only true God whom thee sent Jesus, according
to Jesus the only true God is the Father, Jesus didn't Sayed directly I am father worship me, but in old testiment God directly informed prophets that he is God, the afterlife is very heavy for non believers, Jesus Pbuh is only a prophet from God same as Moses Pbuh.
What a dynamic duo!! Love you both.
Please keep it under an hour will be good. Thanks
Appreciate both of you
This was really helpful, thank you. Apostate Prophet, I pray you one day come to know Jesus Christ as your Savior.
Encouraging to hear you guys..u got a subscriber
thank you and i see the joy of the Lord from both of you. Greetings from Singapore🥰
AP and DW are men of our God sent to share the truth to the muslims and learn the difference of the Holy Bible from the confusing verses of the Quran.
Praying for more wisdom, blessing, and protection of our God and reaching out more muslims to be enlightened
You guys are the best in World youtube. Greetings from Poland 🙂👍
KEEP on sharing and we know discover the truth
Haa, did your pastor tell you that?
So true, muslim interpret their koran whatever they want for eg. koran said the earth was flat they all agreed and happy with koran and now we all know its not flat... now muslim said if you read the text carefully the koran say the earth is round. No consistency on muslim and their interpretation
I was a Hindu once, Now follows The True Religion ❤️❗❗ I further strengthened by ur videos guys!!
God bless you brother 🙏🏼
Love you brother. God bless you
EVERY religion is "The True Religion", to the exact same extent as every other religion.
Just ask ANY follower of ANY religion- When you find one who says "Nah, my religion isn't The True Religion, but I decided to follow a FALSE religion", let me know.... You just traded one set of beliefs in magical occultism, for another belief in magical occultism...
I was a Christian before now I follow the true religion of Amun Ra the Egypt God.
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated who r u !?? I didn't ask ur suggestions, about Mary or anyone, ur comment is so irrelevant to my one..
Put ur copy pasted msgs somewhere needed 🔥
David wood❤❤🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm only 10 minutes in where the discussion has been about reinterpretation re corruption of the Tawrat (Torah) and Injil (Gospels) - this corruption of interpretation has become a very common theme in the recent history of Islam - to support the notion that earlier books have been corrupted contrary to the Qur'an, to support "scientific miracles" in the Qur'an, to evade scientific mistakes in the Qur'an ("it's a metaphor!"), to evade historical mistakes in the Qur'an (e.g. Dhul Qarnyn is not Alexandar afterall) etc... ironically, some Muslims seem to have lost all respect for the Qur'an in their attempts to defend it. Unfortunately for them, they can't rewrite or erase all the tafsir, which tells us exactly how early Muslim scholars understood these verses and makes a nonsense of all their convolutions.
yeah, but if a haddith then it is weak, if tafsir then the scholar is suspect.
God bless you Amen ❤️
@Benjamin J Park amen is a word that means be as I say
@Timothy Connelly oh yah !
Two awesome guys! Love this!
53:58 *"I read the first book of Twilight...don't ask me why...and that book is MUCH BETTER THAN THE QURAN!"* ~AP-Ridvan Aydemir
Hahahahhahahahahaha
Do you compare the book of God to man made books ..
You need to read Quran .. and see how it will change you .. either convert or either reject and know the consequences .
@@bestryfulhd2102 The Quran is a man-made book.
@@bestryfulhd2102 remember Ridvan is an apostate he used to read it.
@@alphabeta1337 hahahaha
How.ignorant people are .. here in this comment section ...
Try to study islam ..
@@buddy9888 who is he ?
There are muslims who leave islam ,, not because it has errors .. but because of their desires ..
God say don't have alcohol .. some would reject Islam so that they can drink with out feeling its a sin ..
1:19:35 the best moment in the live stream 😄
Hey 🤣
😂😂😂
GREAT talk. Thanks guys!
Looking forward to next episode good work
Both of you are great. Its almost five years I have been listening to you. I wonder how I could not view this vdo till now.
Interesting to see the development of these livestreams. So much is still the same, although you can clearly see some changes, such as the 1 hour stream goal.
Guys please do it every week
I loved this video, please do more!
Im glad your RUclips channel exists 👌
Great job Apostat Prophet, and David Wood, may God reward both of you one day for a job well done.
Peace of CHRIST to all of us give light to the world with the WORD
We are so proud of you and prayed today for you and David wood all the bold Christian speaking truth of God. You are creating tsunami of
people who are backing you and love you for making Lord Jesus proud and help enlitened many from generational lies
Yes I tried to listen to audio Quran and yes I had a sickening head splitting headache not even a min later
Somewhere in the darkness came a sound... "Tick, Tock..." And somehow I knew, the time to rock had arrived.
The only job of atheists is to "speak out against Islam."
Islam has many good aspects,
I have never seen an atheist talk about those good aspects.
Why?
you have very little knowledge about islam and Muslim. islam is an ideology which is clearly stated - how the country will run, who will be the caliph, what will be the law, how will the economy run, how to fight if necessary, how will the family run, how will the society run, how will the education run.
Islam has its own separate Sharia law. There is a separate interest-free economic system based on gold currency.
In Islam, there is everything! Even what you eat, what you can't eat, what you wear, what you don't wear, everything is clearly stated in Islam that no Muslim is never confused about these. Bearding, wearing hijab, even how to sleep is also told in Islam. islam is a global religion, it is called complete code of life.
@Jamal Ramadan
That's your point of view, coz i think you never tried to understand islam with open mind without any reservation.
@@Hunterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr886 and thus not nice( only applies to baf ones)
WE LOVE TO PRAY FOR YOUR BROTHERS
God bless you both 🙏 ❤ 🙌
Top problem of Islam? When you think of “the worst man ever” and call him the “greatest man ever.” It is over for you before it even starts.
Imagine if Christians thought of Charles Manson as the greatest man ever. Imagine if Jews thought of Bernie Madoff as the greatest man ever. What a joke.
Go on, show where it says that in the Quran please
@@yusuffarah9790 Reference the two host of this show. They will tell you. I will tell you that a Savage people who cut heads off for drawing pictures from Mohamed & their blasphemy laws more than prove my point.
@@solvingpolitics3172 Where in the Quran does it tell us that we should cut peoples heads off if they draw the prophet? NOWHERE.
People will interpret things wrongly just as the hosts are as well as you guys who they spoon feed misinformation.
What blasphemy laws? You talking about Shariah Law? Do you even know about the true shariah law? You most certainly dont so EDUCATE YOURSELF on it.
Watch videos on the "One message foundation" just as I have watched these videos.
Do you even know about Islam truly or have you only been taught it through islamaphobes who cherry pick and take things out of context?
@@yusuffarah9790 dude can u think for yourself without reference? That's the problem... u can't, because you've been indoctrinated since birth
@@yusuffarah9790 Oh my mistake. Name one people on earth Islam can get along with?
I came to know more about the cult religion from these two guys , you both are fire 👍keep going
It's a religion not a cult be respectful
@@salwahafid7946 religion which tells to hate non believers , fight until it dominates , rape non believers
@@Agnostic6889 okey if you think that's true mention a verse in the quran that says that it's permissible to kill nonbelievers and rape people come one go ahead
@@salwahafid7946
Surah 3:151: “We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) ...”
Surah 2:191: “And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them ... kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims).”
Surah 9:5: “Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush ...”
@@salwahafid7946 i don't have much knowledge in those things , if you have guts, debate with AP, david, al-fadi or any other..no objection 👍
I will always love "tick tock, time to rock" as meaning "time for a new AP and DW video", even though it doesn't belong at the end.
The best advert for Christianity is Islam 🙏🙏
“…the charge of corruption of the Biblical texts makes no sense at all. It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those of their brothers, let us say in Syria and Europe, would have been obvious…We believe that these Gospel accounts are the true Gospel.”-Muhammad‘Abduh, Egyptian Islamic scholar,1849-1905
Anthony Rogers or Sam Shamoun..."Anthony is probably gonna be more calm". Never a truer word was spoken
Please make a video about muslims using other people. A guy used me for nearly 5 years to teach him languages online and others disciplines for free; we NEVER met in real life but I was always helping him with everything he needed, even with advices. I was so stupid thinking that I was doing that for a friend, because my husband, kids and I saw a friend in him. He even promised to talk with my husband. But he kept talking to me but he NEVER saw me as his friend. I was his unconditional friend who always had time for him, no matter how busy or troubled because of my illnesses I was. I was always there. I was a very good friend. But as you know, in Islam friendship between women and men is forbidden, but this guy kept this kind of friendship while he could get something from me. He always told me that he was not my friend, while I always devoted him my time to help him as good as I could. He even chose the times for his classes and I always adjusted to them. But as soon as I told him that I was not seeing any reciprocity and he didn't do any favor for me and I felt treated as a tool, he changed. He always said that according to islam one should keep people who is helpful to you. But he never helped me. The only time he tried to help me with urdu classes he didn't have the patience with me that I had with him all those 5 years and he simply threw me away as garbage. He showed me the "cold shoulder" and dismissed me. My husband and family really saw him as a friend of the family but he never saw us like that. He kept us in his life as long as I could be useful for his purposes because islam says so. But as soon as I couldn't help anymore he simply threw all of us away as if we were garbage. I even told him that my father is dying at the hospital right now and he didn't care at all!! 😢😢 He wanted to get rid of me as soon as possible because it was haram talking to a person of the other gender!! But it was not like that as long as he was extracting knowledge from me... So are muslims: they never keep people in their lives because of good feelings like gratitude, solidarity, piety or generosity. They never keep you in their lives because of your good qualities as human. They never see people as living beings or as sentient souls. They see and disqualify people because of their genitals!!! or their XX, XY chromosomes!!! Soooo primitive they are!!! They are like beasts with very little control over their hormones and because of that they must have these stupid rules and treat people as objects instead of looking at the soul of those people and consider that it is not even their fault being born as a man or as a woman!! Islam is a very cruel religion, which excludes HUMANS BEINGS because of their gender. They will just throw you away without any mercy as soon as you are not useful for them anymore.😢
@@sponge7479 so you dont follow islam (THE BOOK) per se yet you claim to be a muslim, how does that work?
@@sponge7479 But you told me: """you had a bad experience with a Muslim but we are not all like this"". Who is "we"? But anyway, un Islam friendship between men and women who are not maharam (relatives) is haram. And that's cruel. With such a law it's logic that muslims only use people of other gender because they are not allowed to develop any sympathy for them!!😢😢 Good feelings is what make us be good with other people but when that people is taboo for you then as muslim you become a person disconnected from your feelings like psychopaths are and you will only use other people, without feeling absolutely anything like piety or empathy for them.
Islam is a very exclusive religion and unnatural to human being...
@@anuuhana She is just there, waiting for that one push someone might give her to jump out. So the predicament is understandable.
@@anuuhana Its not easy to quit an ideology that confines you under one singular strategy, namely FEAR. Of hell hereafter and of ostracisation here now.
@@snl1754 I understand. Hopefully she can out. For a tender soul is unnatural being kind only to your own gender and a psychopathic robot to people of other gender who don't happen to be your spouse or mom.
You make valid points and arguments ..God bless you
I'm in love with your tea cup.
You two really jibe well in your live chats!
Love you both loads... God bless you abundantly... 💖
when critique or rebuke islam, sometimes I think it's much easier when you're just leaving islam and be an atheis (or agnostic, or just don't believe islam). I mean, you don't have to deal with defending or attacks on other religion (or idea) as distractions.
But as long as you stick to the topic or the object (which is islam with all the books -- quran, hadith, sira, etc) and never been distracted from it (we know muslims always do that -- switching topic to distract and avoiding to answer, right?) you'll be fine.
David looks remarkably handsome.
Apostate Prophet also looks handsome, but 're: mark Able handsome'... one might consider Able was the hunter and Cain the farmer. Whether or not Cain was able to catch Able, unaware, uh, the commentary by the one who we do not call rabbi but calls himself a rabbi is somewhat, ignorant overservation/hair splitting, since Judiam, acknowledges a line can be carried on by a brother and genetically we know it's true. So even though Cain killed Able, his brother was bound to come up in Cain's line. So the hunter lives on.
@@man2mountain why is this relevant 🤣
Thank you
AP and Dave are gifts to humanity.
People may have their own non sensical beliefs as long as they keep them within themselves but the problem is when they try to thrust them upon others by intimidation and taking life that it really intrudes with those beliefs instead of allowing others to find the truth. This is what is not acceptable. Seeking the truth and realising them is one thing and believing blindly something without seeking the truth in it is another thing. Forcing to believe without allowing the seeking of truth is just a propagation of blind faith without truth.
This comment doesn't get enough appreciation
@@notyourbusiness1626 Truth is not about appreciation. But it is to be said. Blind people can't see, how they will appreciate?
this is get better and better with every day. it's a comedy lately with hadiths, 'reliable sources', this is hillarious.
At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people
Yeah Baby
Sounds about as believable as Mohammed flying to the moon on a donkey.
I always find it completely bizarre, hearing people who reject one set of nonsensical occult magical claims, while they cling desperately to another, virtually-identical set of nonsensical occult magical claims...
-"Pffft, I can't believe how crazy and ridiculous THEIR magical beliefs are... but MY magical beliefs are totally different, and completely true and legit and rational..."
[every Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Mormon, Jew, Scientologist, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, etc, when asked about any religion that isn't their own]
@@baconsarny-geddon8298 let's hear your sendible claims Einstein
@@baconsarny-geddon8298 Did you know that the burial cloth that Jesus was buried in has been preserved & is still in existence today? it's called the shroud of Turin & it's proven to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ proving His crucifixion & there's also evidence of His resurrection within the burial cloth. This also proves that the description in the gospels about the crucifixion & resurrection is accurate & wasn't made up like skeptics claim.
Here is the documentary. Watch it then comment after. peertube.fr/videos/watch/471f8d11-c42f-494d-b4b8-8702fda5e9c9
@@baconsarny-geddon8298 Jesus birth, life and death was so earth shattering that history was divided BC & AD . Historical fact
Jesus died & rise again
Archeologist e discovering new finds daily to collaborate my amazing Jesus. ABT a decade ago the high priest Caiphas the Jewish high priest who questioned nd condemned Jesus, his issierary was found & in it were two nails discovered to come from crucifixion.
Be that as it may. If we are wrong & Jesus is a myth we will be ok at the end of this age, if we are right nd Jesus stands as ur judge will you say It us well with my soul.
U are so right
Especially here in Malaysia
So many questions on trivial matters
Thank You!!!
People dont force him converting into Christianity. He has his own will. Thank you. 🙏🏻
The whole “no one can write anything better than the Quran” thing is easily disproven just by using writings of Rumi…who was Muslim! He was no prophet. He was a “mere” poet. Yet he beats the so-called “word of God” easily.
i've ever heard that Rumi was considered as a free thinker & some said he was agnostic
28:00 every time David says "bloods", i can't help but picture a bunch of gangbangers in red bandanas. Lol
Every time I saw AP & DW I am thingking I will write many topic come to my mind
*david wood and AP are my fav duo*
I swear all you have to do is read the first two chapters of the Quran and you will entirely see and agree with what these two are discussing. You hardly even need to read further than that.
I am an ex Muslim. Now Hindu. Hinduism allows me to worship one supreme God or multiple gods or female God or a stone or a phallus denoting creation or worship a quality- love or even be an atheist. Or even invent a new philosophy. Or consider religion as just psychology. I can go to a temple or not go to a temple at all.i can say Hinduism is flawed and go unharmed. No straight jackets here.
can you worship women's booties? is it allowed?
So what's the difference? Islam also worships the female sex organ...you the phallus. That's why there is so much sexual immorality in hinduism too.
@@bestryfulhd2102 “For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
Mark 7:19
You can not point to the Torah to say what Christians follow, because your aren’t following the Testament for all time to follow. All foods are clean, as Jesus declared. Also, Alcohol is a gift from God. Getting drunk is a sin.
I’m gonna end this off with a passage, if you’re willing to listen to so much of the Bible, listen to this:
“The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,”
Colossians 1:15-19
“But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.”
Hebrews 1:8-10
“Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.””
John 20:28-29
“For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”
John 5:18
Stop abusing scripture to fit your incorrect narrative, you’re embarrassing yourself more than anything.
ISLAM : AN UNWANTED USELESS RELIGION
1) 1400 years ago God sent a software update which each human must download otherwise burn in hell forever
Now everyone will be judged on the basis of Quran.
2) A God who sends people to eternal hell based on their identity religion belief system can never be God.
3) Belief in one God is possible without accepting Islam . Belief in Mohammed doesn't mean anything. So Islam is only about accepting Quran as word of God also you have to accept it's final because if it's not final that means it can be changed or new book can be chosen which Islam can't handle.
Even if there is a God, belief is not required but even if you believe in God Islam is not required.
4) Quran dedicates so many verses to prove the prophethood of Muhammad and authenticity of the revelation. And for this Quran uses stories from Bible and torah it's very obvious that Muhammad knew of this stories because he lived where Christians & Jews were living & he was in contact with them. Instead of focusing on giving spiritual truth Quran delicates too many verses for this task.
5) Muhammad was born in a pagan family but he was attracted with the Abrahamic religions he tried to connect Allah with the God of the Abrahamic religion ended up creating a huge mess out of it.
6) Many of the rituals & practices in Islam are just a continuation from the pre Islamic Arabia there is no originality in them. If there are good things in Quran like : Charity
Human intelligence is enough to know what's good & bad like charity.
But Quran also has verses supporting Sexslavery.
In surah 33:50 even Mohammed himself has slaves.
If I was Allah I would give straightforward message like::
"Anyone who harms a woman in any manner, forces himself on her, enslaves her, will suffer worst torment in hell"
Conclusion :: So basically Mohammed has forced himself on entire humanity.
If he really was a spiritual person he could have focused on giving spiritual messages. He didn't have anything new to say anything good to say. But he was extremely good at fear mongering & Threatening.
Honest question: Do you believe in Hinduism by blind faith or do you actually think there is some kind of evidence that Being a Hindu is the right way?
We have to save ourselves from Corona virus and Qurana virus as well
Great job love you guys.👍💖
I find the apparent complete lack of evidence, according to Dan Gibson, of anything that resembles a city with walls, houses, gardens etc, at the time of Mo, to be a very potent argument. If he is right, and absolutely no archaeological evidence from the 600's can be found, then that kind of validates the theories right there, in my opinion. According to Gibson, nothing has been found that is earlier than the 800's. Thats pretty fucking weird, if there was supposed to have been an entire city....
Remember the islamic texts describes Mecca as a fully fledged city, with city walls, houses, waterways and agriculture, something must be left, traces of foundations, stone structures, metal-finds, graves, dung-heaps...something...
Please tell us which archaeological expeditions, in and around Mecca, Dan Gibson has led or participated in?
If he has never been to a dig in Mecca, then which official expeditions does he cite (along with their dates and team leaders) as returning little or no evidence of 6th century civilization in Mecca?
If he cites no such expeditions, then what reasons do we have to believe his claims?
@@alanbishopman he has done research, and looked for any evidence that may have been found already. He claims nothing has been found, and the Saudi authorities say the same thing. This is according to this documentary:
ruclips.net/video/JOWFPTzK7D4/видео.html
Watch it yourself, many of his finds are interesting, but the lack of finds is the most interesting. Try to google for yourself, the lack of any evidence, any museum pieces, anything, is pretty compelling. According to Gibson, whatever archaeology there has been going on, nothing has been found.
Is he right? Its definitely a possibility. I dont know for sure yet, and the islamic version of events still stands, BUT if he is right, the origins of islam is blown wide open. And like i said, searching on the topic reveals more or less nothing, no Saudi museums boasting finds, no researcher claiming any finds from the 600's.
Civilization leaves traces, and if there are no traces, there was no Mecca in the 600's as the islamic history claims. Not having been part of digs himself, is not really an argument, he claims to refer to the Saudi authorities and Saudi archaelogists and historians. They ought to know, right?
@@Timeren2010 OK. I'll play along. Gibson claims that Saudi Authorities have openly admitted that they've failed to uncover evidence of civilizational artifacts in and around Mecca either at or prior to 600 CE.
Now, did you check with the Saudi Authorities yourself? Or did you just take Gibson's word for this? If you can give me the name of a single paper published in any peer-reviewed Saudi Archaeological Journal ("Atlal" would be the most prominent, and every single edition back to 1977 is also available in English) which substantiates this claim, then I'll concede defeat. That's my challenge to you. Take an hour out of your day... and see if you can find any evidence of Saudi scholars making this claim in an academic journal.
If you get tired running that fool's errand, here's a list of scholarly publications that describe exactly the sort of actual archaeological discoveries which Gibson says have never been found in Eastern Arabia; in, around and including Mecca.
1.) Potts, D.T. 1991. The pre-Islamic coinage of Eastern Arabia. Copenhagen: CNI Publications 14.
2.) Bawden, G., Edens, C & Miller, R. 1980. The archaeological resources of ancient Tayma: preliminary investigations at Tayma. Atlal 4: 69-106.
3.) Kennet, D. (2005). On the eve of Islam: Archaeological evidence from Eastern Arabia. Antiquity, 79 (303), 107-118.
4.) J. Kister , "Mecca and Tamím ," Journal of the Social and Economic History of the Orient, vol. 8 1965 , pp. 113- 63.
Did Dan Gibson forget to mention those?
@@alanbishopman did you read them? I havnt, but from what i can see, for instance, Tayma is nowhere near Mecca, the rest mentions eastern Arabia(Mecca would be western Arabia), one of them mentions mecca.
We are not debating whether or not people lived in the saudi area in the 600's, we are debating whether there was a big city called Mecca or not. Does reading your documentation prove that? I bet you dont know, since i suspect you did all you could to find something, just something, thats even near to finds that positively concludes there was a big city called mecca in the 600's, and you probably didnt read your own documentation. Now since im not able to read them myself right now, i just have to take YOUR word for it?
Why dont you, since you obviously read your own documentation, just make a page with the relevant finds, i'll be sure to visit...
Like i said, whether Gibson is right, is still open to me, but if he is right, then all his other arguments just get that much stronger.
Furthermore, i would expect scholars, archaeologists, historians, to refute Gibsons claim wholeheartedly, i dont see that when researching, i see silence.
@@alanbishopman also, do you know about archeaology at all, how much civilizations leave behind? How new constructions are usually built over top of older foundations, most often leaving ditches, foundation stones, evidence of burning from hearths, small finds, pottery etc. behind.
Take the roman presence in Britatin for instance, the romans where there from year 43 to 410, and there are finds all over the place, entire villacomplexes are uncovered, bathhouses, mosaicfloors, rooftiles, small finds and most notably glass and pottery, which is omnipresent more or less.
I am not convinced, but prove me worng, point to the exact finds in you documentation....who knows, you may be right, though i doubt it.