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Thanks Darlene. I’m confident that the algorithm will improve over time. I’m not at all sure of if this is photography or some other creative creation. The ethical implications are mind boggling. I sincerely your shepherding us through the process.
Wow, you really put. alot into making this video,very much appreciated! I use GenErase a lot, a bit of Swap but haven't tried Expand yet.. and now I think I will wait for an update 🤣
I'm not convinced as yet. A lot of what I've generated don't look very realistic and I can get better results by downloading stock images and using layers to incorporate into my photos. I can also then move and re-size to suit the photo. More effort I know but more realistic. Love your videos!
Thanks for the video. Good job! I've played around with Adobe's Photoshop Generative Fill and Firefly versions enough to start forming an opinion. I was stunned by Photoshop Generative Fill's ability to enlarge paintings I got off of Google to fill in the gaps for certain formats. I did some birthday posters using Firefly's illustration feature. So many style choices! I did one of two squirrels dancing in a party scene and it came out killer. Sometimes details in the illustrations were half baked but the overall creative design is amazing. I am glad Skylum is implementing this but I am afraid that Adobe's resources will give them a big edge. Their photo and illustration library I think, is simply far larger than Skylum could ever put together. When I use this AI, I deeply groan inside (this use to take me hours to do) but get giddy with the fun of using it.
Hey Darlene. Thanks for this so helpful and instructional video. I'm looking forward to trying this out! Just a question - at 5:52 you said you can type in 256 "words". To be sure, its is "words" or "characters"? Thanks again for making these videos for us!
Luminar should give more options for each prompt. Thank you for your tutorial video. Very well described. Wish you a Happy New Year. Your latest subscriber 🙏
Had a good giggle at this new technology and thought " how to waste ones time and even get frustrated if you really wanted that ability".... my view is, it should be stated if used but then I'm in the senior age group that would have my grandchildren rolling their eyes 😂😂
Again very well presented Darlene However, I don't think very many will find this tool useful compared to the effort, time and cost it probably took to develop thus tool.
Do you own a lifetime license that you bought last year? If so you need to get the Creative Journey Pass or switch to the subscription. Use my code DPM10 to get 10% off it's on sale right now too and that code should still work
I don't care about the should, I don't really use it to add things but I'm using the AI in PS to remove things on every pic almost. It's really useful.
Keep in mind if you use PS to do that as of November 1st they are on a credit system. Every time you hit Generate you use one credit and you have a limited number each month then they'll charge you more.
@@DigitalPhotoMentor I don't think my small amount of editing will come close to using up my credits. I saw the numbers somewhere and they didn't alarm me. Plus I read that there isn't a charge only a slow down on results. So no worries on that count.
Well yes it is. Those things both use existing actual images, possibly even the photographer's own. Generative tools create something out of thin air, it's not real and doesn't exist anywhere in real life. So yeah it's different.
Hi Darlene, Thank you for your detailed demonstration of the Luminar Neo GenSwap feature. After experimenting with it, I must say that my experience was underwhelming. It's becoming increasingly clear that Luminar seems to be focusing on adding plugins that, while innovative in concept, unfortunately fall short in execution when compared to more advanced software in the market. The GenSwap tool, in particular, lacks the sophistication and depth found in tools like those in Photoshop. Photoshop's advanced features, user-friendly interface, and comprehensive editing capabilities set a high standard in photo editing, a standard that GenSwap doesn't quite meet. This disparity is especially noticeable in complex editing scenarios where precision and a wide range of options are crucial. It's disappointing to see Luminar focusing on hyped features that ultimately don't deliver the expected performance or quality. As a user, I'm looking for reliable tools that can enhance my workflow, not second-rate plugins that only mirror the capabilities of existing, more refined software. While I appreciate the effort to innovate, I believe Luminar needs to focus more on quality and performance to truly compete in the highly competitive photo editing software market.
Hi Darlene, do you have any information about the extent to which the results of GenSwap can be used commercially? Is it possible to conflict with other copyright holders?
It looks like they are trying to play catchup to Photoshop, but this is far behind. I’m afraid Adobe has more resources for this kind of technology with AI, server farms, depth, number of images to train and draw from. Photoshop already allows enlarging borders and does a good job, provides multiple variations to choose from and more. I think the studio lighting and face lighting, eye and mouth enhancements are pretty good and easy to use. I don’t know what to think, if they should try to compete in the generative AI space or not.
personally the only downside of this is one, i had to rely on the Internet and two, the hit and miss of the results that i might end up spending more time than doing it myself. I can't see it's something that I'd be using much, perhaps if it's comes with the software I might try it once or twice if at all. but I can't see it much helpful for me to pay extra for it.
Thanks for highlighting the current shortcomings of AI. These manipulative processes are not for me. If people wish to use them to create artwork of their own, then I have no problem with that - but it's not photography. Let's make sure we can make an honest separation between reality and artificiality. I love your work - keep going, please.
Why would they put that in the catalog area instead of under "edit"? That's just weird. Plus it looks really clunky. I wouldn't pay to add that to my copy. PS works far better even if it isn't perfect.
Because it can't be used just as a tool, it makes a new TIF file - as do all the others you see in the catalog area. As for Photoshop being better, yes it is - but only marginally. I've had some super odd results with PS as well but they have the advantage of being ahead by about a year. So review Luminar Neo's again in a year to compare.
How so? If you have the subscription you get everything. If you bought the lifetime license you just need the creative pass but it's optional you don't have to get it
You summed it up “subscription” - I bought Neo when it first came out - no subscription, brilliant I thought, what a nice change from Photoshop - and now they’re both doing it. Apple are continually upgrading IOS but I don’t have to pay a subscription for that. The whole subscription model bugs me and I won’t take part. @@DigitalPhotoMentor
My opinion.. it isn’t real. If you are going to use this I think it most definitely should be said. Photography to me is, getting a photo of what you see, with slight tweaking to enhance the photo, not putting in things that weren’t there! Is it cool? Yes, but as a photographer, it’s not real
Thank you Darlene. While Luminar GenSwap attempts to revolutionize photo editing with its AI-driven features, its downfall becomes apparent in the erosion of the artistry that comes with the human touch. The software, while powerful, often sacrifices the nuance and emotional depth that a human editor brings to the table. The risk of losing the essence and personal interpretation in favor of automated alterations can diminish the art form, ultimately distancing the connection between the creator and their craft.
This is no longer "the art of photography". I am a Neo user and have gen swap, erase, etc. but like you said, "I don't see much use in my workflow". It's really not even creative...IMHO.
I was soo disappointed in this new feature.. Its not realistic and pretty cartoonish.. Heres hoping that they improve it .. Its got a ways to go in my opinion to be of use to me. ;(
This seems a lot harder and time consuming than simply using a mask of the type object wanted. When you finally get an object you want it is frequently so cartoonish it's worthless.
Just another tool to further corrupt the art of photography. It should have to add a watermark that stated the image is no longer a photograph. I suspect many digital creators who would use these tools lack the integrity to note they did not create the image on their own but had AI create part of the image.
Well that's a whole can of worms right? It's a slippery slope for sure and photography associations and competitions are having a hard time figuring out how to deal with it.
AI is just another tool that has been added to an artist's toolbox. As long as the artist is not misrepresenting what their art is by calling it something that it is not, then it's just an evolution. Its no different about how painters felt about photography when it gained in popularity. It's also no different than the advent of PaintShop into the photographer's world. Certainly in the world of photojournalism, like PhotoShop before it, AI will be taboo. When AI starts being used for nefarious purposes, (as I'm pretty sure that somewhere it is), then regulatory agencies are going to have to keep up with things to ensure public safety and to prevent rampant fraud.
Please clarify your comment. RIp off is pretty accusatory. Luminar Neo is still one of the least expensive photo editing software and suites on the market and for what it does, and who it's for - it does it very well. So which part is a rip off in your opinion?
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I don't have any use for this technology right now. I am 85 years old and might not be able to use GenSwap before LifeSwap. Good presentation.
LOL good point, thanks for watching
Flyboy, are you a veteran?
Thanks Darlene. I’m confident that the algorithm will improve over time. I’m not at all sure of if this is photography or some other creative creation. The ethical implications are mind boggling. I sincerely your shepherding us through the process.
Yeah I'm skeptical at best about this technology, fearful at worst.
Wow, you really put. alot into making this video,very much appreciated! I use GenErase a lot, a bit of Swap but haven't tried Expand yet.. and now I think I will wait for an update 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm not convinced as yet. A lot of what I've generated don't look very realistic and I can get better results by downloading stock images and using layers to incorporate into my photos. I can also then move and re-size to suit the photo. More effort I know but more realistic. Love your videos!
I totally agree! And thank you!
Thanks for the video. Good job! I've played around with Adobe's Photoshop Generative Fill and Firefly versions enough to start forming an opinion. I was stunned by Photoshop Generative Fill's ability to enlarge paintings I got off of Google to fill in the gaps for certain formats. I did some birthday posters using Firefly's illustration feature. So many style choices! I did one of two squirrels dancing in a party scene and it came out killer. Sometimes details in the illustrations were half baked but the overall creative design is amazing. I am glad Skylum is implementing this but I am afraid that Adobe's resources will give them a big edge. Their photo and illustration library I think, is simply far larger than Skylum could ever put together. When I use this AI, I deeply groan inside (this use to take me hours to do) but get giddy with the fun of using it.
Thanks for the comment. I have tried both PS and Luminar Neo for generative tools and find them pretty on par actually
Hi Darlene, really great video and a solid overview of the new tool 👍😀
Thanks so much that's a huge compliment coming from you.
Hey Darlene. Thanks for this so helpful and instructional video. I'm looking forward to trying this out! Just a question - at 5:52 you said you can type in 256 "words". To be sure, its is "words" or "characters"? Thanks again for making these videos for us!
Yes I made a mistake there it is characters. My bad!
Luminar should give more options for each prompt.
Thank you for your tutorial video. Very well described.
Wish you a Happy New Year.
Your latest subscriber 🙏
You're most welcome
Had a good giggle at this new technology and thought " how to waste ones time and even get frustrated if you really wanted that ability".... my view is, it should be stated if used but then I'm in the senior age group that would have my grandchildren rolling their eyes 😂😂
I'm not so far behind you lol
Thanks for the excellent explanation. Is it possible to move the new objects?
isn't that a good question!
Unfortunately not no
Again very well presented Darlene However, I don't think very many will find this tool useful compared to the effort, time and cost it probably took to develop thus tool.
I tend to agree but the market and the world is going this way so even if you and I don't use it or want it - others do unfortunately.
Hi, I have an updated copy of Luminar Neo but can't find any of the AI features
Do you own a lifetime license that you bought last year? If so you need to get the Creative Journey Pass or switch to the subscription. Use my code DPM10 to get 10% off it's on sale right now too and that code should still work
I don't care about the should, I don't really use it to add things but I'm using the AI in PS to remove things on every pic almost. It's really useful.
Keep in mind if you use PS to do that as of November 1st they are on a credit system. Every time you hit Generate you use one credit and you have a limited number each month then they'll charge you more.
@@DigitalPhotoMentor I don't think my small amount of editing will come close to using up my credits. I saw the numbers somewhere and they didn't alarm me. Plus I read that there isn't a charge only a slow down on results. So no worries on that count.
Ethically is this any different than photoshopping a model or even sky replacement?
Well yes it is. Those things both use existing actual images, possibly even the photographer's own. Generative tools create something out of thin air, it's not real and doesn't exist anywhere in real life. So yeah it's different.
Exciting stuff but equally sacry
Agreed
Hi Darlene,
Thank you for your detailed demonstration of the Luminar Neo GenSwap feature. After experimenting with it, I must say that my experience was underwhelming. It's becoming increasingly clear that Luminar seems to be focusing on adding plugins that, while innovative in concept, unfortunately fall short in execution when compared to more advanced software in the market.
The GenSwap tool, in particular, lacks the sophistication and depth found in tools like those in Photoshop. Photoshop's advanced features, user-friendly interface, and comprehensive editing capabilities set a high standard in photo editing, a standard that GenSwap doesn't quite meet. This disparity is especially noticeable in complex editing scenarios where precision and a wide range of options are crucial.
It's disappointing to see Luminar focusing on hyped features that ultimately don't deliver the expected performance or quality. As a user, I'm looking for reliable tools that can enhance my workflow, not second-rate plugins that only mirror the capabilities of existing, more refined software.
While I appreciate the effort to innovate, I believe Luminar needs to focus more on quality and performance to truly compete in the highly competitive photo editing software market.
You should email all that to Skylum! Send it to support@skylum.com
Thanks Darlene, I loved your down to earth honest presentation. I will be posting this on Insiders - I just hope Luminar Listen.
@@DigitalPhotoMentor
Hi Darlene, do you have any information about the extent to which the results of GenSwap can be used commercially? Is it possible to conflict with other copyright holders?
No you can use it commercially no issues. There is a link to their AI terms in the description below the video.
It looks like they are trying to play catchup to Photoshop, but this is far behind. I’m afraid Adobe has more resources for this kind of technology with AI, server farms, depth, number of images to train and draw from. Photoshop already allows enlarging borders and does a good job, provides multiple variations to choose from and more. I think the studio lighting and face lighting, eye and mouth enhancements are pretty good and easy to use. I don’t know what to think, if they should try to compete in the generative AI space or not.
Well they seem to feel they have to try. I have to agree - it's not for me but I think if they don't they will be left behind.
Not interested ln being connected to internet in order to edit my photos! This raises major security issues!!
Then don't use any of the Generative AI tools. If you just use the regular ones you'll be fine.
personally the only downside of this is one, i had to rely on the Internet and two, the hit and miss of the results that i might end up spending more time than doing it myself. I can't see it's something that I'd be using much, perhaps if it's comes with the software I might try it once or twice if at all. but I can't see it much helpful for me to pay extra for it.
If you have the subscription it does come with it
Thanks for highlighting the current shortcomings of AI. These manipulative processes are not for me. If people wish to use them to create artwork of their own, then I have no problem with that - but it's not photography. Let's make sure we can make an honest separation between reality and artificiality. I love your work - keep going, please.
Thanks for your comment and kind words, I will keep it up!
Have been playing around with GenSwap numerous times and results were not realistic!
Very sub-par with all the hype!
Fair comments
Why would they put that in the catalog area instead of under "edit"? That's just weird. Plus it looks really clunky. I wouldn't pay to add that to my copy. PS works far better even if it isn't perfect.
Because it can't be used just as a tool, it makes a new TIF file - as do all the others you see in the catalog area. As for Photoshop being better, yes it is - but only marginally. I've had some super odd results with PS as well but they have the advantage of being ahead by about a year. So review Luminar Neo's again in a year to compare.
The results are terrible when I tried it.
You're not the only one
It's fun to play with, but it's not photography. It's more like playing with stickers.
Yeah kinda
Basic Neo is great but all these new add-ons are making it more and more expensive.
How so? If you have the subscription you get everything. If you bought the lifetime license you just need the creative pass but it's optional you don't have to get it
You summed it up “subscription” - I bought Neo when it first came out - no subscription, brilliant I thought, what a nice change from Photoshop - and now they’re both doing it. Apple are continually upgrading IOS but I don’t have to pay a subscription for that. The whole subscription model bugs me and I won’t take part. @@DigitalPhotoMentor
My opinion.. it isn’t real. If you are going to use this I think it most definitely should be said. Photography to me is, getting a photo of what you see, with slight tweaking to enhance the photo, not putting in things that weren’t there! Is it cool? Yes, but as a photographer, it’s not real
All valid points. We'll have to see where it goes.
It is not for me. Neo or Photoshop...it is not photography. For fun, maybe. For competition...no way. Thanks for the video, Darlene.
Thanks for sharing! Yes there is much to be discussed on this topic especially in the area of competitions.
Thank you Darlene. While Luminar GenSwap attempts to revolutionize photo editing with its AI-driven features, its downfall becomes apparent in the erosion of the artistry that comes with the human touch. The software, while powerful, often sacrifices the nuance and emotional depth that a human editor brings to the table. The risk of losing the essence and personal interpretation in favor of automated alterations can diminish the art form, ultimately distancing the connection between the creator and their craft.
Eloquently said. However Luminar isn't the only software doing this. Photoshop and others do too
This is no longer "the art of photography". I am a Neo user and have gen swap, erase, etc. but like you said, "I don't see much use in my workflow". It's really not even creative...IMHO.
Agrred, The only one I'm likely to use is GenExpand.
I was soo disappointed in this new feature.. Its not realistic and pretty cartoonish.. Heres hoping that they improve it .. Its got a ways to go in my opinion to be of use to me. ;(
Yes agreed.
This software add on is certainly not what I would use.
I don't use it much either probably
This seems a lot harder and time consuming than simply using a mask of the type object wanted. When you finally get an object you want it is frequently so cartoonish it's worthless.
Yes it's more challenging to get something usable
Don't like what I am seeing. Not what I thought it would be.
What did you think it would be like? Have you tried it?
Just another tool to further corrupt the art of photography. It should have to add a watermark that stated the image is no longer a photograph. I suspect many digital creators who would use these tools lack the integrity to note they did not create the image on their own but had AI create part of the image.
Well that's a whole can of worms right? It's a slippery slope for sure and photography associations and competitions are having a hard time figuring out how to deal with it.
AI is just another tool that has been added to an artist's toolbox. As long as the artist is not misrepresenting what their art is by calling it something that it is not, then it's just an evolution. Its no different about how painters felt about photography when it gained in popularity. It's also no different than the advent of PaintShop into the photographer's world. Certainly in the world of photojournalism, like PhotoShop before it, AI will be taboo. When AI starts being used for nefarious purposes, (as I'm pretty sure that somewhere it is), then regulatory agencies are going to have to keep up with things to ensure public safety and to prevent rampant fraud.
Interestingly enough I'm in a Zoom call right now with a camera club and association about this very topic!
Neo is now just a rip off...
Please clarify your comment. RIp off is pretty accusatory. Luminar Neo is still one of the least expensive photo editing software and suites on the market and for what it does, and who it's for - it does it very well. So which part is a rip off in your opinion?
It's not good enough to really do anything
I've had some success with it
Another useless tool for Luminar...
So far. What others do you think are useless?
This is embarrassingly bad
My video or the tool?
@@DigitalPhotoMentor the tool of course 🤭
@@thegreatujo whew! Thanks
@@thegreatujo whew you had me worried!