Try Roger Price go on Roger price the rapture for a taste he gives all sides of the arguement and in a polite simple way i have all his studies from ccf tapes ir chitchester christian fellowship
I have struggled with that..L .forever...and I am so thankful to find this video teaching...I can say the Holy Spirit opened my eyes and gave me peace & hope to pray for my family and loved ones to come to know Christ...Thank you ...and thank God for you...!
I think one of the easiest ways to look at the “elect” or “appointed is this. Calvinists posit that God predestines individuals to a group called the elect. This is wrong. The Bible seems to indicate that God predetermines a group called the elect, to which any person can join if they repent and believe. Furthermore, predestined also has a meaning, such as to plan a destination in advance. I think God’s word here likely means that every person upon being saved is then predestined to redemption at the end. Belief is just the qualifying condition for one to be part of the chosen or appointed.
Re: Many are called, few are chosen..." I think it's as simple as, He knows who will receive Him, and that's who He chooses! Thank you Father!!!! Thank you JESUS!!!!
Romans 3:10-17. No one chooses God. It is only through the power of God that our hearts of stone are changed to hearts of flesh. He must regenerate us so that we then follow Him. No person has EVER chosen God in their natural state.
I'm trying to find the video where he talks about people claiming to have gone to heaven or hell and came back and about fake Christian movies and the wwjd stuff. Please help. It's for a good reason.
@Ronald J Dempsey I have just found this channel and would be interested to know on what ground, what proof do you say such bold accusatory statement. As I said, I just found this channel, I do like the way he teaches but don't know enough of the Word to yet have the discernment whether he teaches the truth or not; so I am intetested to read and see proof that back up your statement. Thank you.
This teacher is so concise, so deep.. Favorite by far! One sermon he mentioned Word of Life and I bout fell off my chair .. four of my seven children have worked the summer program at the NY campus for years and two attended the Bible college! What a blessing to be getting some of the teaching my kids sat under!
Once again reassured that I am justified by faith. Without question the most balanced, biblical teacher/theologian I have heard... and that's many. Bless you brother
I was sitting in Dr. Vernon Purdy’s Intro to Theology class in 1997 at Central Bible College, listening to perhaps my favorite theologian as he lectured on the “error” of Calvinistic doctrine. Out of the blue, the thought occurred to me that these two seemingly incompatible views might be merely two different perspectives on salvation. From God’s perspective, our names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life from the foundation of the world. But from our perspective, we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I have never heard anyone iterate that concept until this video. Maybe I’m not so crazy after all! Thank you for your videos!
Another perspective of working out your salvation is: because you are saved, do good works with fear and trembling. These are works that God has set up for us to do (Ephesians 2:10 for example) and we do them out of both duty and gratitude. We are essentially "working out our salvation" because we are saved to do these good works and glorify God.
Is it just me or does it make perfect sense? I’m not well spoken but I understand the predestination and election. God knows who will believe on Jesus Christ and who would not. He died for all. His blood is enough to atone for everyone. But in one of those verses, it points out repentance. Many people don’t repent and some do and don’t truly want Jesus to pay for it. In horror we hear of people who want to die for their sins in an act of ignorant pride to say their sins are greater than the blood of Christ. God should know who will be saved or not - that’s disconcerting if the One who authored this world doesn’t know who are His and aren’t 🥴 sometimes we run too far with doctrines and get away from scripture. Let scripture say what it says and the Holy Spirit will teach context and exposition. It really makes sense without all the big fancy words. God sees the heart and will make new creatures of His own. Through any other manner is not of the Lord and therefore not saved. May we all really analyze whether we be in the faith or not
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling is a phrase...the rest of the verse says FOR IT IS GOD WORKING IN YOU BOTH TO WILL AND TO WORK FOR HIS GOOD PLEASURE.
@@matrixghfilms6492 God does love us. He provides for everyone, even the worst of people. We've all been blessed in one way or another despite us all having sinned. We were made to be perfect but he gives us free will, and you can't have free will with no option of making wrong choices(in this case sin). God does love us, soo much so, that he gave us a way of being forgiven through Jesus.
@@matrixghfilms6492 if you, instead of having a child, made a robot that perfectly obeyed you, you still would not love the robot like you would love a son that Chooses to obey you. God loves us even if we disobey, He offers us forgivness of all our sins if we repent and have faith in Jesus. And God does not want us to go to hell, He wants us to go to heaven.
@@matrixghfilms6492 Free will, though it permits evil, makes possible any love, goodness, and joy worth having. While we all have impulsive "thought crimes", God knows our heart. My advice on this would be to not dwell on the thought. However if you have faith in Jesus, as I've said before, you're forgiven. If you gave your whole life to Christ and sin right before you die unexpectedly, with no time to confess, do you really think God is going to condemn you? Of course not, if you have faith in Christ God "...forgave us all our sins"(Colossians 2:13). This includes past, present, and future. You're salvation depends on what Jesus did. “For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit," (1 Peter 3:18)
@@matrixghfilms6492 had a hysterectomy due to cancer ...children are a blessing of the lord.. I have three...and I totally understand how the view on today's world is terrible...I think there is something else..has to do with judgment and having a large family.. unfortunately I'm not best at scripture memorization... but don't feel ignored...I felt guilty for choosing that option for a long time...God is good...he is a forgiving God...he is a loving God...kids need him with out a doubt 👊🏻
Thanks pastor/Dr. John Barnett for sharing your Bible teaching classes on YT. GOD bless you for all your & your wife's good works in the Christ Jesus. amen
I'm looking for the video where he talks about people claiming to have gone to heaven or hell and returned to tell about it and fake Christian movies and wwjd, please help it's for a good reason. Mostly trying to find out about the wwjd thing because they handed them out at my church today. Please help.
Thank you so much for this video. John is an amazing teacher, who is incredibly knowledgeable, while at the same time, is genuinely humble! A RARE combination! 🕊
I’m thanking God for Ps John, he explained the very complicated matter in a beautiful way to understand the very heart of father in this discussion . I’m not ashamed of the Gospel. I may not understand everything, but that doesn’t stop me from sharing gospel of Yeshwa.
These and sermons from David Wilkerson plus Derek Prince. We still have blessed sermons from these great men who have already gone bon to meet their Maker. The pastor here is still alive on Earth and hope I can meet him someday to thank. If not here, then one day in heaven.
In these last days finding a teacher and preacher like John MacArthur is a magnificent and glorious thing. I am so thankful for those preachers like John Burnett who are preaching the word of God without heresy and distortion. Besides that what a mass of mountain of information. After 50 years I am hearing things I thought I'd never hear. Truth hidden exposed. I believe I went through every single sermon of Jay Vernon McGee not saying I agreed with everything he said but I had a job I could listen to him and work. It was wonderful and so many others. But none like John and John
On some of the pastor John MacAthur's YT vids, he has been ending prayers with "... in your son's name, in his name, or in your name".... It has bothered me so much, I decided not to watch John Macthur's YT anymore. It seems pastor John MacAthur feels he is too holy to just say "in Christ Jesus, in our LORD Jesus" or even just "in Jesus name".... Am I the only one bothered about it by pastor John MacAthur's finishing his prayer like that?
Thank you so much Pastor John for this video...God the Holy Spirit use this teaching to enlighten me more about the Doctrine of predestination and Tulip..specially about limited atonement. You and your program is a blessing to all God’s people.
God's desire is that none should persih,yes,BUT GOD NEVER PREDESTINATED ON HIS DESIRE,BUT BY HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE HE PREDESTINATED NAMES IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD CAUSE GOD IS INFINITE,HE KNOWS ALL THINGS,THE BEGINNING TO THE END......WHAT A MIGHTY ALL KNOWING GOD WE SERVE🙏
Sarah Ward. We should make sure we are already secure in Christ then we would not have to worry. God is always waiting with His hand reaching out to His created beings. All we have to do is accept him as our Saviour and turn from our sinful ways..!
At 8 years old, the Holy Spirit told me the Love Of God came to earth as a man and totally God to Love the World and forgive all who have fallen short of His Glory. It PURE love that saves us all. We chose to receive that LOVE. Chose life.
Thank you so very much for this teaching, I do go to church that teaches the TULIP doctrine of grace and I have been so uncomfortable with it until hearing your teaching I can finally put it to rest, I believe what you taught is 100% biblical truth. I want to present this teaching to my pastors I’m not sure how it will go over but I pray that they would receive it and allow the Holy Spirit to use it to reveal truth🙏
God presented the gift of eternal life through the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is us who either except or reject the gift . He knows what decision that we will make but He gave us free will to make that decision .
Our free will is corrupted, that is why we need a savior , the Bible states the no one is good, Jesus said that nobody comes to him unless is been brought by the father. The father chooses, we are been given to Jesus by the father, he awakens us to Jesus through his Holy Spirit, and through his word, the Bible, only the Holy Spirit given by God , give us faith, and shows us how sinners we are, he convicts us of sin , he is our helper, and takes us to Jesus! Is by Faith, and Faith is a gift of God!! Everything is by grace, and given!!! So nobody glorify them selves!! Ephesians 2:8 New International Version 8 For it is by grace(A) you have been saved,(B) through faith(C)-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
Once the Holy Spirit opened my eyes, there was no decision to make. It was a foregone conclusion. Go to hell or accept Christ and His death burial and resurrection. I don’t think Paul could have rejected Christ once he got knocked off his horse.
@I belong to Jesus Christ limited atonement is not biblical at all, if god offered this free gift to all but he actually only gives it to some, it would mean god is lying, which he isn’t
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The correct understanding of predestination is that God already know who does what and he DOES ALL THINGS FOR OUR GOOD, so those that are lost will sometimes be used to save those that would be lost otherwise. Do you see?
Jamie, I hadn't heard it put exactly like that, but I can definitely see how God could use the lost to save others. I would have to study this more though. thanks
I love how its complicated yet not so complicated! With that said, if we knew we was all chosen and knew were all going to Heaven then folks would neglect God thinking why bother! Only God truly knows our hearts!
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37.
Except for the fact that you can be sitting in your room trying to read the bible having gone though tormenting thoughts etc only to be condemned for a thought that you tried to avoid having.
Glory To GOD!!! Thank you John Barnett! I believe what the Bible tells us in John 3:16, (That those who believe in/on JESUS CHRIST shall be saved.) I believe they are who are chosen unto SALVATION. Glory To GOD!!!
Many people in the church today are clueless and in a state of great confusion regarding what true Biblical predestination is and because of Calvinism's great influence in the churches, they will fall back on Calvinism's twisted definition that has been forcefully imposed into many seminaries, Bible colleges, theology textbooks, dictionaries, churches, and church constitutions for centuries. True Biblical predestination takes place AFTER a person comes to faith in Christ. The Christian is predestinated for 3 things which takes place in the future. True Biblical predestination ONLY applies to those that are saved. 1) They are predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST - Romans 8:29-30, 1 Corinthians 15:49 - And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Philippians 3:21 - Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. All saved people will be like Christ. We shall be like Him - 1 John 3:2. This is a future aspect at the Rapture. 2) They are predestinated to have an INHERITANCE in heaven - Ephesians 1:11, John 14:2-4. Again, this is a future aspect. 3) They are predestinated to have GLORIFIED ETERNAL BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE, the REDEMPTION OF OUR PHYSICAL BODIES just like Jesus resurrected body described in Luke 24:39, Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:23, Christ's newly resurrected glorified body is the prototype of what is to come for all saved Christians at the RAPTURE - 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 1 John 3:2. There is a world of difference between true Biblical predestination and election versus Calvinist "predestination" and "election." Calvinism will use the terms "predestination" and "election" interchangeably to mean the same thing, that is, salvation or damnation which is predetermined in eternity past by God. Calvinism has hijacked the words, "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" and "predestinate" and perverted the true definition. The true definition is NOT "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" for salvation.
Always see Scriptures from GOD's perspective and then from man(kind)'s perspective ! Scriptures have built-in ambiguity for the purpose of showing up our heart towards GOD !!
It amazes me that people forget, that God knows everything.. He knew about me & you before he created Adam.. Just because you know something is gonna happen does not mean you caused it to happen.. Techniqually..
Exactly, God has foreknowledge and already knows who will choose or reject him but he certainly doesn't make the choice for us, he wants OUR sincere love not his own love
Great teacher!!! However, the "L" which is limited atonement is a not a vague doctrine that we should set aside because it was not clearly stated in the bible. John 10:11 and 15 are so explicit that no one needs commentary to interpret these verses. John 10:11 states “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd LAYS DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THE SHEEP." John 10:14-15 is also clear on who Christ died for... "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep." Lastly, God so loved that He gave His life. The question is, who did He give it to? Was it everyone? John 15:15 states, "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." The limited atonement doctrine with the rest of the "Doctrines of Grace" humbles me in the sight of God knowing that God was not obliged to save me and yet even before time began, He already has loved me and set this everlasting love on me and not bypassed me. As Jeremiah 31:3 reads... "I have loved thee with an everlasting love. therefore with my lovingkindness I have drawn you to me."
Chuck Missler once said, the controversy with predestination comes from a misunderstanding of God's relationship to time. Many people think that God is someone with unlimited amounts of time. Not so, for God is someone outside of time. Time is his creation and, to him past, present, & future are all one.
2peter 3.9 is talking about the elects only (God is patient with YOU) this verse is confirming that all the elects will be saves present and future BECAUSE God is patient and the end will not come before ALL ARE SAVES.
Thank you so much, Dr. Barnett! This was such a brilliant explanation and may help many, some even in my family, who have become "confused" on this issue... It is being used by Satan to bring hopelessness to some who have known & walked with Jesus, even in ministry...but now believe they are not "elect", due to persistent sin/addiction. (What a tragedy!) However, this message will be passed on & shared many times! Many thanks!
For me the limited atonement is clearly explain here: rev.5.9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, We see that the word WORLD do not mean all peoples but peoples from all nations
The sovereign priest was not making the atonement once a year for the sins of all the world but for the sins of God peoples only (as Jesus) When the bible say " God so love the world" it's because before Jesus Redemption was only for Israel but after the cross it was for all the elects from all nations of the world including the Jews. So the word WORLD it's to make the new distinction of the new covenant that the wall of separation is broken between the Jews and the nations NOW.
I see limited atonement as ultimate atonement. Ultimately, only born again Christians have our sins atoned for, removed, erased in the eyes of God. We still need to evangelize to everyone, only God knows who will respond.
The doctrine of Predestination is clearly outlined in Ephesians 1:4-9 specifically. Also further found and grounded in the Doctrine of Justification read in Romans 8:27-30....Romans 9:11-13 give an example....2Peter 3:9 and those He doesn't will to perish refer only to his Children, not children of the devil.
Ephesian 1:4&5 according does he have chosen us in him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. They have been predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself according to the good pleasure of his will.
Have you ever heard anyone say that predestination is NOT in the Bible? Well, there are people that say that - maybe they take scissors and cut this passage from Ephesians out of their Bible. For a big chunk of my life I would not have wanted to deal with a passage like this. And I admit i'm still trying to understand and I know we have to balance it with the whole of scripture. This is one of those hot button issues and that is why we need to handle it with respect with our brothers and sisters.
And you guys always leave out "IN HIM", as if it was minor and meaningless. And because you have an a priori commitment to monergism, you ignore every scripture that negates monergism, that won't allow it to be true, which results in denying quite a few direct statements, but denying thousands more scriptures that show through implication that monergism cannot be true. If God would have us all be saved--His word says it is true--then He sincerely would have us all be saved. Hopefully, you would agree that it is both God's nature to be truthful, and that He has committed Himself to be truthful in His word--He could not possibly say sure, He would have all men be saved, IF you subtract the fact that He has predestined just a scant handful to be saved, and has also hopelessly predestinated most people not to be able to be saved (this, "for His good pleasure"), although He is going to punish them eternally for not getting saved, as if it was their idea, not His, to never be able to believe. How, then, could the Father; Jesus, the way, the truth, and the life; and the Holy Spirit of truth claim that God would have all men be saved, IF He is the unmoveable, and only, real reason that they won't be saved? Before the gnostic Augustine taught this, nobody read that into the verses on predestination, which were always about God predestinating particular things, NOT everything that ever happens, a pagan idea (the "merciless Fates"), not a Biblical one. Augustine was a slick, philosophical thinker, but not a godly Bible interpreter. In fact, he brought "Christians" murdering simple, Bible-believing Christians, into Christendom, and wrote the book that defended Church persecution _(City of God)._ Jesus had warned us that people would come along who would persecute and even kill us, and "this will they do, because they have not known the Father, nor me". If someone, through doing what the Bible condemns, and not repenting, shows that he _has not known_ the Father, nor Jesus, should we allow him to interpret the Bible for us? That unrepentant man would be someone we should never trust to guide us to understand the Bible. And yet, because of his intellectual reputation, and his being ensconced in power, very few evangelicals, even, can tear themselves away from his doctrines, taking them as nothing but _improved_ versions of Bible doctrines. And all of this extreme predestination and monergism is built on this supplanting of Biblical truth, with the glamour and spurious authority of Augustinian philosophy. We were warned not to let "philosophy and _vain deceit"_ rob us of our faith--the precious, trusting faith that the babes have in Jesus. Without the extreme demands of monergism, a God who says "come, let us reason together," could draw us as John 6 and John 12 say, to believe that our sins, though they are scarlet, shall be white as wool--yet further drawing would depend on our response to the light. Monergism condemns that, but the Bible teaches it: it is them who receive the light that has come into the world who are given the right to become the children of God. (John 1). To them who have, more will be given, but to them who have not, even that which they HAVE will be taken from them (that man HAD, but buried what he had, _calling_ it nothing). The condemnation is that light has come into the world, and MEN preferred darkness to light, because their deeds are evil (John 3). All of us have sinned and are sinners, but there are those who finally "do truth" (John 3), who turn to Him. Without the drawing of the Holy Spirit, this would not be possible, but with Him, all things are possible. Monergism condemns belief without being irresistibly regenerated beforehand, including obedience to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, calling salvation by grace _through faith_ a "works" salvation, if the one who believes makes any choices at all. But the Bible does not call faith a work. It never does; it contrasts faith and works. They are not the same thing.
Linda Johnson Amen sister!! This sick philosophy is the child of Augustine, a gnostic who is responsible for both the errors of Rome and the Reformation.
God said my Spirit will not always strive with man. He will continue to woo them by His Holy Spirit. But, He knows that there is a time when He gives them up to a reprobate mind. (For He knows that will not change their minds about their rejection of Him.)
I like Dr. Bartlett. And I do appriciate learning a little more, and getting a deeper understanding of a question or subject. ButI wish sometimes he would give a 10 or 15 minute explanation of a 5 second answer. Instead of an hour.
Honestly 2 Peter 3:9 gives everyone hope. We should hope for all to come to repentance. God doesn't want anyone to perish. This reminds me a bit of Romans 2:4 NIV "Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?" So I think it's clear what the will of God is. God's mercy is demonstrated by his patience is it not? Of course, there are many times where it seems as if other verses say the opposite, or at least imply the opposite. It's not possible to hold opposing views at the same time.
Romans 2:16 says all men will be judged by only one thing. Faith in the gospel. Those who believe and put they're faith in the gospel are believers , Gods children. Not because of anything we do or did or will do. It is a free gift .
Someone said that over the entrance to heaven are the words, “whosoever will may come”. Then when you have gone through the doorway, you turn around and see the words about Predestination. I have always found that very helpful. Everyone COULD come through, But not everyone will. And God knows those who come. He does not force anyone through, even though he wants”All people to be saved”
Yes God knows who will come because He has already chosen them before they were born. It is not our decision to make to choose Him, we come to him because He has chosen us - it's not based on anything that he knows we will do or not do.
I think one of the easiest ways to look at the “elect” or “appointed is this. Calvinists posit that God predestines individuals to a group called the elect. This is wrong. The Bible seems to indicate that God predetermines a group called the elect, to which any person can join if they repent and believe. Furthermore, predestined also has a meaning, such as to plan a destination in advance. I think God’s word here likely means that every person upon being saved is then predestined to redemption at the end. Belief is just the qualifying condition for one to be part of the chosen or appointed.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that “whosoever” believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@@aletheia8054 context says... Signifying by what death he would die. John 314 and as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness even so the son of man must be lifted up All who looked at the serpent in the wilderness were healed. And just as all who believe in Jesus should not perish but have eternal.
John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." In the seed and sower parable, the seed is spread everywhere, not just in certain spots, but it's only the seeds that fall on the good soil that make it. Meaning Jesus draws everyone to him, but not everyone accepts him. Romans 8:29: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters" God foreknew who would be conformed, therefore he predestined them. If Calvinism was true, the word "foreknew" wouldn't have to be included
DTBM OnlineVideoTraining DTBM OnlineVideoTraining It says "all people." I think you are adding different meaning to scripture when you say it means "all kinds of people," which we must be careful not to do. And on what basis does God choose His elect? Simple logic tells us that there must be a reason why God chooses certain people and not others. The bible teaches that salvation is a free gift from God, but never says that faith is a free gift from God. Jesus does not fail to save those who have believed in him.
"Then Christ does seem to fail to save those He died for..." wow! The failure of that reasoning is that the value of a gift is determined and fixed by the price the PURCHASER/ GIVER is willing to pay before the addressee even knows a gift is en route or has received or rejected it. If my mom buys me a ferarri leaves the keys in the ignition and I refuse to RECEIVE the gift .. the value of the gift remains the same because it is a fixed value paid by the PURCHASER before it is given.... she can not fail at giving the gift nor is the value of the gift diminished or rendered a failure because I refused to receive it. I don't know any people who assign the value (success or failure) of a gift or the Giver to be determined by the ungrateful idiot who refused to actively receive it. And since Paul uses the words GIFT and RECEIVE.. (2Thes2:10, Rom 5:11, Rom 5:17 etc etc) we might want to take him seriously and not blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ. just sayin'
There’s more people who are NOT coming to the Lord, than who are responding and coming. God Himself opens the eyes and hearts of all those who come to Him and are saved. Jesus died for those who come and are saved. “"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matthew 7:13-14 NASB
Calvinism is something I’ve struggled with since coming out of the RCC. So much of what you see in the world and in lost self proclaimed “Christian”. Support predestination. For me, it’s been a hard pill to swallow. It’s seems more like a Truth that I’m fighting that a false doctrine.
Well said, bro. I felt it was weird when some folks said that God doesn't love some people because they are already predestined for hell. Foreknowledge? Absolutely. Predestination? Nah.
Exactly. As my pastor puts it: It is like a presidential pardon. The president may issue a pardon to anyone; however, it does not take effect until the person accepts it. Only then is the person pardoned.
@Maryam Maghen The pardon is not forced upon them. Of course almost everyone accepts it...but they do not have to. Such in the case of United States vs Wilson. 1833. Supreme court ruled in favor of Wilson who refused the pardon. So you see, in reality my analogy does work. Prisoners ARE given the option. Anything else you like to nitpick at lady??
@Maryam Maghen Then I certainly do not understand the original point you are making. It is almost like you believe no one who has ever lived will ever go to hell...and that is not true. You accept the pardon by accepting Jesus as savior thereby releasing you from death (hell). Or you do not accept Jesus as Lord and refusing the pardon, thereby facing the consequences of that refusal which is death (hell). That was my original point. I was on target. You said I was wrong about the pardon. If I refuse the pardon then I accept the consequences. I ONLY am granted freedom if I willfully accept the pardon. The Bible is crystal clear about this. I do not understand why you could possibly say otherwise.
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John does the best job teaching the Word on RUclips. Heard every video three times need more !!!!!!! I hunger for God's word.
What is his last name?
christian vanvleet, his name is Pastor John Barnett.
Try Roger Price go on Roger price the rapture for a taste he gives all sides of the arguement and in a polite simple way i have all his studies from ccf tapes ir chitchester christian fellowship
Try Chuck Missler 👍
I hunger too
I have struggled with that..L .forever...and I am so thankful to find this video teaching...I can say the Holy Spirit opened my eyes and gave me peace & hope to pray for my family and loved ones to come to know Christ...Thank you ...and thank God for you...!
Are you “elect” (in the calvinist sense of chosen before the foundation of the world)?
I think one of the easiest ways to look at the “elect” or “appointed is this.
Calvinists posit that God predestines individuals to a group called the elect. This is wrong.
The Bible seems to indicate that God predetermines a group called the elect, to which any person can join if they repent and believe.
Furthermore, predestined also has a meaning, such as to plan a destination in advance. I think God’s word here likely means that every person upon being saved is then predestined to redemption at the end. Belief is just the qualifying condition for one to be part of the chosen or appointed.
@@jedimasterham2you can't elect yourself. You cant chose yourself. To be elected is to be chosen by someone else.
@@youngdonreborn Elected for what?
I think these are some of the best classes I've ever heard I just really enjoy them so much!
i like his classes too...he knows how to work a board too..not boring ..and uses the scriptures too...relax...
Free will?! What happened to THAT?!
You have to REPENT of your sins when they happen, if you take them for granted, you take HIM for granted
Best bible teaching because he is so knowledgeable of God’s Word.
Hell yea dawg.
Re: Many are called, few are chosen..." I think it's as simple as, He knows who will receive Him, and that's who He chooses! Thank you Father!!!! Thank you JESUS!!!!
@Blue Collar Theology The bible says no one can snatch us from the Father's hand. So If we are His, we will stay His.
Romans 3:10-17.
No one chooses God. It is only through the power of God that our hearts of stone are changed to hearts of flesh. He must regenerate us so that we then follow Him. No person has EVER chosen God in their natural state.
@Blue Collar Theology No.
A true spirit-filled theologian who speaks so that we understand.
John by far has to be the best Bible teacher, expositor in America or the world. He truly goes the extra mile to make sure he explains fully.
This guy is an excellent teacher. I get the overwhelming impression from him that he is sincere.
I'm trying to find the video where he talks about people claiming to have gone to heaven or hell and came back and about fake Christian movies and the wwjd stuff. Please help. It's for a good reason.
@Ronald J Dempsey
I have just found this channel and would be interested to know on what ground, what proof do you say such bold accusatory statement.
As I said, I just found this channel, I do like the way he teaches but don't know enough of the Word to yet have the discernment whether he teaches the truth or not; so I am intetested to read and see proof that back up your statement. Thank you.
This teacher is so concise, so deep.. Favorite by far! One sermon he mentioned Word of Life and I bout fell off my chair .. four of my seven children have worked the summer program at the NY campus for years and two attended the Bible college! What a blessing to be getting some of the teaching my kids sat under!
Once again reassured that I am justified by faith. Without question the most balanced, biblical teacher/theologian I have heard... and that's many. Bless you brother
I was sitting in Dr. Vernon Purdy’s Intro to Theology class in 1997 at Central Bible College, listening to perhaps my favorite theologian as he lectured on the “error” of Calvinistic doctrine. Out of the blue, the thought occurred to me that these two seemingly incompatible views might be merely two different perspectives on salvation. From God’s perspective, our names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life from the foundation of the world. But from our perspective, we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I have never heard anyone iterate that concept until this video. Maybe I’m not so crazy after all! Thank you for your videos!
Another perspective of working out your salvation is: because you are saved, do good works with fear and trembling. These are works that God has set up for us to do (Ephesians 2:10 for example) and we do them out of both duty and gratitude. We are essentially "working out our salvation" because we are saved to do these good works and glorify God.
Ka66ir from means “since” not before.
Ka66ir it’s never by our works, but by the works of the Holy Spirit that indwells the believer.
Is it just me or does it make perfect sense? I’m not well spoken but I understand the predestination and election. God knows who will believe on Jesus Christ and who would not. He died for all. His blood is enough to atone for everyone. But in one of those verses, it points out repentance. Many people don’t repent and some do and don’t truly want Jesus to pay for it. In horror we hear of people who want to die for their sins in an act of ignorant pride to say their sins are greater than the blood of Christ. God should know who will be saved or not - that’s disconcerting if the One who authored this world doesn’t know who are His and aren’t 🥴 sometimes we run too far with doctrines and get away from scripture. Let scripture say what it says and the Holy Spirit will teach context and exposition. It really makes sense without all the big fancy words. God sees the heart and will make new creatures of His own. Through any other manner is not of the Lord and therefore not saved. May we all really analyze whether we be in the faith or not
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling is a phrase...the rest of the verse says FOR IT IS GOD WORKING IN YOU BOTH TO WILL AND TO WORK FOR HIS GOOD PLEASURE.
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
In Jesus name !!!
@@matrixghfilms6492 God does love us. He provides for everyone, even the worst of people. We've all been blessed in one way or another despite us all having sinned. We were made to be perfect but he gives us free will, and you can't have free will with no option of making wrong choices(in this case sin). God does love us, soo much so, that he gave us a way of being forgiven through Jesus.
@@matrixghfilms6492 if you, instead of having a child, made a robot that perfectly obeyed you, you still would not love the robot like you would love a son that Chooses to obey you. God loves us even if we disobey, He offers us forgivness of all our sins if we repent and have faith in Jesus. And God does not want us to go to hell, He wants us to go to heaven.
@@matrixghfilms6492 Free will, though it permits evil, makes possible any love, goodness, and joy worth having.
While we all have impulsive "thought crimes", God knows our heart. My advice on this would be to not dwell on the thought. However if you have faith in Jesus, as I've said before, you're forgiven.
If you gave your whole life to Christ and sin right before you die unexpectedly, with no time to confess, do you really think God is going to condemn you? Of course not, if you have faith in Christ God "...forgave us all our sins"(Colossians 2:13). This includes past, present, and future.
You're salvation depends on what Jesus did.
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,"
(1 Peter 3:18)
Was thinking on that too
@@matrixghfilms6492 had a hysterectomy due to cancer ...children are a blessing of the lord.. I have three...and I totally understand how the view on today's world is terrible...I think there is something else..has to do with judgment and having a large family.. unfortunately I'm not best at scripture memorization... but don't feel ignored...I felt guilty for choosing that option for a long time...God is good...he is a forgiving God...he is a loving God...kids need him with out a doubt 👊🏻
Thanks pastor/Dr. John Barnett for sharing your Bible teaching classes on YT.
GOD bless you for all your & your wife's good works in the Christ Jesus. amen
thank you, God bless you, and God bless us who listen to it.
This man is meek and humble and spot on in his teaching!
God bless you, and keep coming,more teaching.
I like the way Pastor John teaches the Word with passion and integrity. May the Yeshuva bless you John.
I'm looking for the video where he talks about people claiming to have gone to heaven or hell and returned to tell about it and fake Christian movies and wwjd, please help it's for a good reason. Mostly trying to find out about the wwjd thing because they handed them out at my church today. Please help.
@@travislee6032 sound like a quantum key score comment ☺️
I've had to watch this 3 times to really get this message. It's not easy! But thanks to Dr. Barnett, and glory to God and Jesus!
thank you so much ...this is the most sound doctrine on predestination I've heard.....
Hello friend I would recommend Prof Leighton flowers 👍🙏
Thank you so much for this video.
John is an amazing teacher, who is incredibly knowledgeable, while at the same time, is genuinely humble!
A RARE combination! 🕊
I’m thanking God for Ps John, he explained the very complicated matter in a beautiful way to understand the very heart of father in this discussion . I’m not ashamed of the Gospel. I may not understand everything, but that doesn’t stop me from sharing gospel of Yeshwa.
These and sermons from David Wilkerson plus Derek Prince. We still have blessed sermons from these great men who have already gone bon to meet their Maker. The pastor here is still alive on Earth and hope I can meet him someday to thank. If not here, then one day in heaven.
I am so blessed to have found this man, who speaks of the savior so knowledgeable
In these last days finding a teacher and preacher like John MacArthur is a magnificent and glorious thing. I am so thankful for those preachers like John Burnett who are preaching the word of God without heresy and distortion. Besides that what a mass of mountain of information. After 50 years I am hearing things I thought I'd never hear. Truth hidden exposed. I believe I went through every single sermon of Jay Vernon McGee not saying I agreed with everything he said but I had a job I could listen to him and work. It was wonderful and so many others. But none like John and John
On some of the pastor John MacAthur's YT vids, he has been ending prayers with "... in your son's name, in his name, or in your name".... It has bothered me so much, I decided not to watch John Macthur's YT anymore.
It seems pastor John MacAthur feels he is too holy to just say
"in Christ Jesus, in our LORD Jesus" or even just "in Jesus name"....
Am I the only one bothered about it by pastor John MacAthur's finishing his prayer like that?
I love the way he explains things. I enjoy listening, I always learn something new.
This man is an amazing teacher. I'm learning so much. I must watch every vid.
John Barnett is so amazing, that I'm compelled to praise God for the work He does through John.
Thank you so much Pastor John for this video...God the Holy Spirit use this teaching to enlighten me more about the Doctrine of predestination and Tulip..specially about limited atonement. You and your program is a blessing to all God’s people.
God's desire is that none should persih,yes,BUT GOD NEVER PREDESTINATED ON HIS DESIRE,BUT BY HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE HE PREDESTINATED NAMES IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD CAUSE GOD IS INFINITE,HE KNOWS ALL THINGS,THE BEGINNING TO THE END......WHAT A MIGHTY ALL KNOWING GOD WE SERVE🙏
I am so glad he referenced John MacArthur who I love, as JM’s teaching raised this question and was tugging at my heart and mind...PTL!
Sarah Ward. We should make sure we are already secure in Christ then we would not have to worry. God is always waiting with His hand reaching out to His created beings. All we have to
do is accept him as our Saviour and turn from our sinful ways..!
Captivating!!!! WOW!!! Awesome way of explaining the Word of God. The best way I ever celebrated my 4th of July weekend 2021. 👍🏼😉
So glad the Holy Spirit led me to you Mr.Barnett! You are an amazing teacher!
At 8 years old, the Holy Spirit told me the Love Of God came to earth as a man and totally God to Love the World and forgive all who have fallen short of His Glory. It PURE love that saves us all. We chose to receive that LOVE. Chose life.
Thank you so very much for this teaching, I do go to church that teaches the TULIP doctrine of grace and I have been so uncomfortable with it until hearing your teaching I can finally put it to rest, I believe what you taught is 100% biblical truth. I want to present this teaching to my pastors I’m not sure how it will go over but I pray that they would receive it and allow the Holy Spirit to use it to reveal truth🙏
Thank you Dr Barnett, for your dedication to the teaching calling God has given you. 🦋💕🙏🏾🌹🕊
God presented the gift of eternal life through the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is us who either except or reject the gift .
He knows what decision that we will make but He gave us free will to make that decision .
Our free will is corrupted, that is why we need a savior , the Bible states the no one is good, Jesus said that nobody comes to him unless is been brought by the father. The father chooses, we are been given to Jesus by the father, he awakens us to Jesus through his Holy Spirit, and through his word, the Bible, only the Holy Spirit given by God , give us faith, and shows us how sinners we are, he convicts us of sin , he is our helper, and takes us to Jesus! Is by Faith, and Faith is a gift of God!! Everything is by grace, and given!!! So nobody glorify them selves!!
Ephesians 2:8
New International Version
8 For it is by grace(A) you have been saved,(B) through faith(C)-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
@@preciadocr1ss It's both. And the NIV is corrupted.
Once the Holy Spirit opened my eyes, there was no decision to make. It was a foregone conclusion. Go to hell or accept Christ and His death burial and resurrection. I don’t think Paul could have rejected Christ once he got knocked off his horse.
@@Tdizzle7775 do you look both ways before crossing the street? predestination is completely confounded
@I belong to Jesus Christ limited atonement is not biblical at all, if god offered this free gift to all but he actually only gives it to some, it would mean god is lying, which he isn’t
The correct understanding of predestination is that God already know who does what and he DOES ALL THINGS FOR OUR GOOD, so those that are lost will sometimes be used to save those that would be lost otherwise. Do you see?
Jamie, I hadn't heard it put exactly like that, but I can definitely see how God could use the lost to save others. I would have to study this more though. thanks
I am curious - does God love the whole world? Or only the elect?
Excellent biblical exegesis! I am listening to more and more of your videos!🙏Keep them coming!
I love how its complicated yet not so complicated! With that said, if we knew we was all chosen and knew were all going to Heaven then folks would neglect God thinking why bother! Only God truly knows our hearts!
This guy is the most awesome smartest teacher i evrr heard.I know God led me to his vidios.Thank you sir for teaching us honest viblical teaching
if you think he is the smartest - you must be very ignorant of scripture...he is wrong on so many topics...but the ignorant can't see it...sorry!
Praise God for the Holy Spirit blessing you with the wonderful gift of teaching Holy Sctipture
I agree with what you think. Let's add that Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
If I hear a pastor who makes me question.. I head to Dr Barnett to keep me biblically balanced!! Thank you !
This helped with so many questions outside of the original question. Thank you Jesus
thank you , i wish all people can listen to this.
Very thorough, thank you and God bless.
Oh, both the riches, and wisdom of our God, the Holy One of Israel!
John 12: 32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Great Biblical teacher, can get a good message over yet very easy to listen to.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37.
Thank you so much for your humble teaching of Gods living word. Such a blessing
Thank you for your teachings! Amen🍃
When you start talking, all I want to do is grab a pen and take notes! I love your teaching style and look forward to more study every day!!
since Jesus Christ died for the Whole world no one who is lost can say He did not die for me.
The whole world is accountable to the Living Lord
Except for the fact that you can be sitting in your room trying to read the bible having gone though tormenting thoughts etc only to be condemned for a thought that you tried to avoid having.
@Owen Hawthorne Just as I wrote you can try to be doing good and have a thought in your mind and be condemned.
Glory To GOD!!!
Thank you John Barnett!
I believe what the Bible tells us in John 3:16, (That those who believe in/on JESUS CHRIST shall be saved.)
I believe they are who are chosen unto SALVATION. Glory To GOD!!!
Many people in the church today are clueless and in a state of great confusion regarding what true Biblical predestination is and because of Calvinism's great influence in the churches, they will fall back on Calvinism's twisted definition that has been forcefully imposed into many seminaries, Bible colleges, theology textbooks, dictionaries, churches, and church constitutions for centuries.
True Biblical predestination takes place AFTER a person comes to faith in Christ. The Christian is predestinated for 3 things which takes place in the future. True Biblical predestination ONLY applies to those that are saved.
1) They are predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST - Romans 8:29-30, 1 Corinthians 15:49 - And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Philippians 3:21 - Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. All saved people will be like Christ. We shall be like Him - 1 John 3:2. This is a future aspect at the Rapture.
2) They are predestinated to have an INHERITANCE in heaven - Ephesians 1:11, John 14:2-4. Again, this is a future aspect.
3) They are predestinated to have GLORIFIED ETERNAL BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE, the REDEMPTION OF OUR PHYSICAL BODIES just like Jesus resurrected body described in Luke 24:39, Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:23, Christ's newly resurrected glorified body is the prototype of what is to come for all saved Christians at the RAPTURE - 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 1 John 3:2.
There is a world of difference between true Biblical predestination and election versus Calvinist "predestination" and "election." Calvinism will use the terms "predestination" and "election" interchangeably to mean the same thing, that is, salvation or damnation which is predetermined in eternity past by God.
Calvinism has hijacked the words, "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" and "predestinate" and perverted the true definition. The true definition is NOT "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" for salvation.
Right on. I totally agree.
Great question. Best explanation I've ever heard. God bless.
God gave each of us freedom of will.
I love listening to you ,,, thank you
Thank you pastor for this message of truth.
God is outside of time, there is no "pre", or "post", only "IS". When asked who He was, He responded, "I AM THAT I AM".
Always see Scriptures from GOD's perspective and then from man(kind)'s perspective !
Scriptures have built-in ambiguity for the purpose of showing up our heart towards GOD !!
It amazes me that people forget, that God knows everything.. He knew about me & you before he created Adam.. Just because you know something is gonna happen does not mean you caused it to happen.. Techniqually..
Exactly, God has foreknowledge and already knows who will choose or reject him but he certainly doesn't make the choice for us, he wants OUR sincere love not his own love
@@busybody1474 Romans 3:10-17.
NO ONE chooses God, not in their natural born state. Man has to be regenerated by God.
@@douglasmcnay644 and I can quote a bunch of scripture that talks about Man's Free Will, interpret whatever way you wish
Best explanation on the subject I have heard!
THANKYOU FATHER GOD for JESUS Christ 🙏❤❤
Thank you Pastor I so get so much out of your teachings
Excellent presentation of a difficult and complex subject!
One of the best teaching with regarding to this subject
Great job this clarifies the issue for me after years of confusion
Almighty God always Grant's us the requests of our heart! Biblical narrative. Examine personally!🤨🤗🥰🤔🌏💯💝💞
I find my self answering this questions by, God knows the End From The Beginning. He already knows whom will except Jesus and whom will not.
AMEM! We prepare ourselves FOR Hell, unless we REPENT and CALL for the Lord & ask for FORGIVENESS! AMEN!
Great teacher!!! However, the "L" which is limited atonement is a not a vague doctrine that we should set aside because it was not clearly stated in the bible. John 10:11 and 15 are so explicit that no one needs commentary to interpret these verses. John 10:11 states “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd LAYS DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THE SHEEP." John 10:14-15 is also clear on who Christ died for... "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep." Lastly, God so loved that He gave His life. The question is, who did He give it to? Was it everyone? John 15:15 states, "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." The limited atonement doctrine with the rest of the "Doctrines of Grace" humbles me in the sight of God knowing that God was not obliged to save me and yet even before time began, He already has loved me and set this everlasting love on me and not bypassed me. As Jeremiah 31:3 reads... "I have loved thee with an everlasting love. therefore with my lovingkindness I have drawn you to me."
Thank you for sharing your message this May be the most amazing teaching! God e
he is ...
the best teach of the WORD to me
Chuck Missler once said, the controversy with predestination comes from a misunderstanding of God's relationship to time. Many people think that God is someone with unlimited amounts of time. Not so, for God is someone outside of time. Time is his creation and, to him past, present, & future are all one.
Eternal NOW
2peter 3.9 is talking about the elects only (God is patient with YOU) this verse is confirming that all the elects will be saves present and future BECAUSE God is patient and the end will not come before ALL ARE SAVES.
Thank you so much, Dr. Barnett! This was such a brilliant explanation and may help many, some even in my family, who have become "confused" on this issue... It is being used by Satan to bring hopelessness to some who have known & walked with Jesus, even in ministry...but now believe they are not "elect", due to persistent sin/addiction. (What a tragedy!) However, this message will be passed on & shared many times! Many thanks!
For me the limited atonement is clearly explain here: rev.5.9 And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
We see that the word WORLD do not mean all peoples but peoples from all nations
The sovereign priest was not making the atonement once a year for the sins of all the world but for the sins of God peoples only (as Jesus)
When the bible say " God so love the world" it's because before Jesus Redemption was only for Israel but after the cross it was for all the elects from all nations of the world including the Jews. So the word WORLD it's to make the new distinction of the new covenant that the wall of separation is broken between the Jews and the nations NOW.
Good point!
I see limited atonement as ultimate atonement. Ultimately, only born again Christians have our sins atoned for, removed, erased in the eyes of God. We still need to evangelize to everyone, only God knows who will respond.
The doctrine of Predestination is clearly outlined in Ephesians 1:4-9 specifically. Also further found and grounded in the Doctrine of Justification read in Romans 8:27-30....Romans 9:11-13 give an example....2Peter 3:9 and those He doesn't will to perish refer only to his Children, not children of the devil.
Amen! Fantastic lesson!
I have listened to John MacArthur, but I can't listen for more than five minutes without questioning/doubting my salvation.
I totally agree
John MacArthur got everything right but predestination . He got that wrong . That's his leaky Calvinism
Ephesian 1:4&5 according does he have chosen us in him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
They have been predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself according to the good pleasure of his will.
Have you ever heard anyone say that predestination is NOT in the Bible? Well, there are people that say that - maybe they take scissors and cut this passage from Ephesians out of their Bible. For a big chunk of my life I would not have wanted to deal with a passage like this. And I admit i'm still trying to understand and I know we have to balance it with the whole of scripture. This is one of those hot button issues and that is why we need to handle it with respect with our brothers and sisters.
And you guys always leave out "IN HIM", as if it was minor and meaningless. And because you have an a priori commitment to monergism, you ignore every scripture that negates monergism, that won't allow it to be true, which results in denying quite a few direct statements, but denying thousands more scriptures that show through implication that monergism cannot be true. If God would have us all be saved--His word says it is true--then He sincerely would have us all be saved. Hopefully, you would agree that it is both God's nature to be truthful, and that He has committed Himself to be truthful in His word--He could not possibly say sure, He would have all men be saved, IF you subtract the fact that He has predestined just a scant handful to be saved, and has also hopelessly predestinated most people not to be able to be saved (this, "for His good pleasure"), although He is going to punish them eternally for not getting saved, as if it was their idea, not His, to never be able to believe. How, then, could the Father; Jesus, the way, the truth, and the life; and the Holy Spirit of truth claim that God would have all men be saved, IF He is the unmoveable, and only, real reason that they won't be saved? Before the gnostic Augustine taught this, nobody read that into the verses on predestination, which were always about God predestinating particular things, NOT everything that ever happens, a pagan idea (the "merciless Fates"), not a Biblical one. Augustine was a slick, philosophical thinker, but not a godly Bible interpreter. In fact, he brought "Christians" murdering simple, Bible-believing Christians, into Christendom, and wrote the book that defended Church persecution _(City of God)._ Jesus had warned us that people would come along who would persecute and even kill us, and "this will they do, because they have not known the Father, nor me". If someone, through doing what the Bible condemns, and not repenting, shows that he _has not known_ the Father, nor Jesus, should we allow him to interpret the Bible for us? That unrepentant man would be someone we should never trust to guide us to understand the Bible. And yet, because of his intellectual reputation, and his being ensconced in power, very few evangelicals, even, can tear themselves away from his doctrines, taking them as nothing but _improved_ versions of Bible doctrines. And all of this extreme predestination and monergism is built on this supplanting of Biblical truth, with the glamour and spurious authority of Augustinian philosophy. We were warned not to let "philosophy and _vain deceit"_ rob us of our faith--the precious, trusting faith that the babes have in Jesus. Without the extreme demands of monergism, a God who says "come, let us reason together," could draw us as John 6 and John 12 say, to believe that our sins, though they are scarlet, shall be white as wool--yet further drawing would depend on our response to the light. Monergism condemns that, but the Bible teaches it: it is them who receive the light that has come into the world who are given the right to become the children of God. (John 1). To them who have, more will be given, but to them who have not, even that which they HAVE will be taken from them (that man HAD, but buried what he had, _calling_ it nothing). The condemnation is that light has come into the world, and MEN preferred darkness to light, because their deeds are evil (John 3). All of us have sinned and are sinners, but there are those who finally "do truth" (John 3), who turn to Him. Without the drawing of the Holy Spirit, this would not be possible, but with Him, all things are possible. Monergism condemns belief without being irresistibly regenerated beforehand, including obedience to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, calling salvation by grace _through faith_ a "works" salvation, if the one who believes makes any choices at all. But the Bible does not call faith a work. It never does; it contrasts faith and works. They are not the same thing.
Linda Johnson
Amen sister!!
This sick philosophy is the child of Augustine, a gnostic who is responsible for both the errors of Rome and the Reformation.
Thank you, I found your channel,I learned a lot and important about the Bible Doctrine. Truth really matters in our daily walk as Christians.
God said my Spirit will not always strive with man. He will continue to woo them by His Holy Spirit. But, He knows that there is a time when He gives them up to a reprobate mind. (For He knows that will not change their minds about their rejection of Him.)
I like Dr. Bartlett. And I do appriciate learning a little more, and getting a deeper understanding of a question or subject. ButI wish sometimes he would give a 10 or 15 minute explanation of a 5 second answer. Instead of an hour.
Honestly 2 Peter 3:9 gives everyone hope. We should hope for all to come to repentance. God doesn't want anyone to perish. This reminds me a bit of Romans 2:4 NIV
"Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?" So I think it's clear what the will of God is. God's mercy is demonstrated by his patience is it not? Of course, there are many times where it seems as if other verses say the opposite, or at least imply the opposite. It's not possible to hold opposing views at the same time.
Romans 2:16 says all men will be judged by only one thing. Faith in the gospel. Those who believe and put they're faith in the gospel are believers , Gods children. Not because of anything we do or did or will do. It is a free gift .
Someone said that over the entrance to heaven are the words, “whosoever will may come”. Then when you have gone through the doorway, you turn around and see the words about Predestination. I have always found that very helpful. Everyone COULD come through, But not everyone will. And God knows those who come. He does not force anyone through, even though he wants”All people to be saved”
Sounds stupid
Yes God knows who will come because He has already chosen them before they were born. It is not our decision to make to choose Him, we come to him because He has chosen us - it's not based on anything that he knows we will do or not do.
Best explanation of this I have seen.
I think one of the easiest ways to look at the “elect” or “appointed is this.
Calvinists posit that God predestines individuals to a group called the elect. This is wrong.
The Bible seems to indicate that God predetermines a group called the elect, to which any person can join if they repent and believe.
Furthermore, predestined also has a meaning, such as to plan a destination in advance. I think God’s word here likely means that every person upon being saved is then predestined to redemption at the end. Belief is just the qualifying condition for one to be part of the chosen or appointed.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that “whosoever” believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 12:32 says if I be lifted up I will draw all men to me.
He was responding to the Gentiles in the crowd that wanted to see him.
@@aletheia8054 context says... Signifying by what death he would die.
John 314 and as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness even so the son of man must be lifted up
All who looked at the serpent in the wilderness were healed.
And just as all who believe in Jesus should not perish but have eternal.
I needed to hear this today. Thank you!
It is God's Grace that saves us, not We ourselves!
John 15 that says you didnt choose me I chose you was talking to the 12 Apostles specifically not believers. Context is key.
Absolutely Right. + Jn 3 : 16 .. God--+whosoever believeth in Him. Praise Jesus Lord
Amen sir. Calvinists mash it all together without heeding context
John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." In the seed and sower parable, the seed is spread everywhere, not just in certain spots, but it's only the seeds that fall on the good soil that make it. Meaning Jesus draws everyone to him, but not everyone accepts him. Romans 8:29: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters" God foreknew who would be conformed, therefore he predestined them. If Calvinism was true, the word "foreknew" wouldn't have to be included
DTBM OnlineVideoTraining DTBM OnlineVideoTraining It says "all people." I think you are adding different meaning to scripture when you say it means "all kinds of people," which we must be careful not to do. And on what basis does God choose His elect? Simple logic tells us that there must be a reason why God chooses certain people and not others. The bible teaches that salvation is a free gift from God, but never says that faith is a free gift from God. Jesus does not fail to save those who have believed in him.
"Then Christ does seem to fail to save those He died for..." wow!
The failure of that reasoning is that the value of a gift is determined and fixed by the price the PURCHASER/ GIVER is willing to pay before the addressee even knows a gift is en route or has received or rejected it.
If my mom buys me a ferarri leaves the keys in the ignition and I refuse to RECEIVE the gift .. the value of the gift remains the same because it is a fixed value paid by the PURCHASER before it is given.... she can not fail at giving the gift nor is the value of the gift diminished or rendered a failure because I refused to receive it. I don't know any people who assign the value (success or failure) of a gift or the Giver to be determined by the ungrateful idiot who refused to actively receive it. And since Paul uses the words GIFT and RECEIVE.. (2Thes2:10, Rom 5:11, Rom 5:17 etc etc) we might want to take him seriously and not blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ.
just sayin'
only if you believe irresistible grace. salvation is covenantal, if...then
There’s more people who are NOT coming to the Lord, than who are responding and coming. God Himself opens the eyes and hearts of all those who come to Him and are saved. Jesus died for those who come and are saved.
“"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
Matthew 7:13-14 NASB
Calvinism is something I’ve struggled with since coming out of the RCC. So much of what you see in the world and in lost self proclaimed “Christian”. Support predestination. For me, it’s been a hard pill to swallow. It’s seems more like a Truth that I’m fighting that a false doctrine.
Well said, bro. I felt it was weird when some folks said that God doesn't love some people because they are already predestined for hell.
Foreknowledge? Absolutely.
Predestination? Nah.
I believe the Father draws all men. Not all men respond to his drawing.
Exactly. As my pastor puts it: It is like a presidential pardon. The president may issue a pardon to anyone; however, it does not take effect until the person accepts it. Only then is the person pardoned.
@Maryam Maghen The pardon is not forced upon them. Of course almost everyone accepts it...but they do not have to. Such in the case of United States vs Wilson. 1833. Supreme court ruled in favor of Wilson who refused the pardon. So you see, in reality my analogy does work. Prisoners ARE given the option. Anything else you like to nitpick at lady??
@Maryam Maghen Then I certainly do not understand the original point you are making. It is almost like you believe no one who has ever lived will ever go to hell...and that is not true. You accept the pardon by accepting Jesus as savior thereby releasing you from death (hell). Or you do not accept Jesus as Lord and refusing the pardon, thereby facing the consequences of that refusal which is death (hell).
That was my original point. I was on target. You said I was wrong about the pardon. If I refuse the pardon then I accept the consequences. I ONLY am granted freedom if I willfully accept the pardon. The Bible is crystal clear about this. I do not understand why you could possibly say otherwise.