I mean..my cell phone/PCs vs the guaranteed suffering of shortys.. I care about my coffee in the morning more than I care about these Minecraft Kids. F those Kids!
and this also ties to the biggest issue I have when people like Pordan Jesterson try to sell responsibility as a biggest virtue you can aspire to. Yeah, responsibility definitely can help but without reciprocity it can only lead to burnout
Asmongold was criticised for saying "artists opinion don't matter only the consumers opinions matter." Artists can make art but if consumers aren't interested to pay for it doesn't matter what the artists think.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757art is not magic. It's a subjective thing and it is in relation with the rest of the people's perception. A art work is a creation. If that creation is a communication form with the others but only the creator understands it, it is meaningless. If it is not a communication form, and someone just defecates on a piece of paper calling that a masterpiece, anything can be claimed as art. Is there a supranatural being above us who judges what is art and what is not art? Or is just us sticking bananas on walls and being pleased with ourselves?
@@clownphabetstrongwoman7305I mean ag the end of the day it will fall ai will take over that department yeah we can have this conversation over and over but we know that companies will continue to push out people for a profit ai laws are important but nobody wants to do the work to ensure laws are made
The problem with paying more for "ethically sourced minerals" is you just know that'll just become another marketing buzzword that companies can use to mislead consumers with, meanwhile also upping the price.
@@Parlimant_Strifey 👏👏👏👏👏 Someone with basic intelect. Youre force to obey and follow the system and the status quo. It you try to leave it they try to get you. MEN are the only net tax payers, MEN are the only ones keep society running, YET MEN HAVE ALL THE RESPONSIBLITY AND NO AUTORITH.
They always threaten that the cost will end up on consumers, but that's only because the corporations actually are too greedy to take even a 10% net profit decrease.
How many of our beliefs are genuine and how many are luxury beliefs dropped at the first sign of hardship (or rather inconvenience)? People who don't put their money where their mouth is don't actually believe in what they say, but they know what's socially acceptable and what isn't.
@JamesHawkeRUclips Says the enlightened atheist. Some beliefs are like self-fulfilling prophecies, they only become true if acted out in the world. For example "all human life has value" is not an objective fact. However, if we all act in a way as if it does, then it becomes "social truth", it starts to feel instinctively true to people who have been socialized in the same way. If you don't like the word "beliefs" then replace it with "convictions".
"People who don't put their money where their mouth is don't actually believe in what they say, but they know what's socially acceptable and what isn't." Not true, some people just aren't strong enough themselves to do the right thing, but tell others to do the right thing in the hopes *they are*. It's like eating junk food and telling the world that it's unhealthy and that (organ)meat is the only thing you really should be eating.
we're herd animals and easily manipulated, look at covid, despite the west priding itself on freedom it locked itself down and barred that freedom the moment people got scared enough, the consequences of which we still feel today and will for a long time
Eh, I don't actually know about that. You can be fully convinced of something, while still not wanting to lose your ability to provide for yourself just because you couldn't resist saying what you believed.
It's not the consumer's job to protect the workers. The workers are the ones looking after their own interests. If your job treats you badly, quit. If there are no better jobs ask your govt why they're stifling business. Whining for someone down the line to fix their problems will never work.
@@solaroid4442the business is usually the slave to govment though. Remember the business primary job is to act as the licensed tax collector, all that stuff you buy are just you paying for some form of access related widget. The means to the end of tax collection.
Problem is, there's pain and injustice throughout the world. And trashing my PC isn't going to help anyone, but keeping it will help me. So considering not one soul in this world, would give a shite if I didn't take my next breath, I will keep my PC.
The issue isn't trashing it once you have it. At that point, money has already changed hands, and you've funded whoever good/bad/neutral actors you're going to fund by buying those PC parts. The point of the video is to say: If people actually cared about this exploitation - and in a way, if they even had the ability to care about it - the only way to take a stand would be to simply not buy the items in question. There's no need to trash your PC even if it funded a warlord for example, because you've already indirectly paid that warlord by buying those parts, and trashing it would likely just equate to giving said (theoretical) mineral-hoarding warlord more money if you wanted to build another PC. Will we all give up the comfort and convenience of some of these things (i.e. PCs, smartphones) and stop buying them in the future, even if it helps humanity in general? Probably not.
It's also how big human race has gotten. For example if you live in a town of 50 people, you would feel disgusted if they were impacted by what you're doing to them indirectly. It's hard to care about 8 billion people.
Meh people could easily see the damage they were causing by opting for the convenience of big stores like Walmart in small towns all over, they just failed to see that once Walmart found it unprofitable they will gladly close up and leave behind a food desert. It happened all over many, many times. People sold out their local stores for corporate owned at the expense of their neighbors, so I would beg to differ.
@@thinking-ape6483 He has many living habits that are distressing to a lot of people, but his inattentiveness to cleanliness gives him a lot more time to ponder the universe.
Its like victims of natural disasters. Most of society doesnt give a shit about the people in so far as the personal tragedy they have experienced. They only care after the fact as in how it relates to them. I personally want to try and buy "ethical" versions of products, but the issue is the price. 99% of society is not in a financial position to care. Its why those in poverty are some of the largest polluters outside of large corporations and farmers. They don't have the luxury of choice. When it comes to video games, begars can't be choosers either. The wallet dictates how they can vote.
And often besides price, there is availability of options. For example Asmond says you could pay extra for Amazon prime but that isnt' even offered. Clothes are the same. You as the consumer almost can't find clothes that aren't made say in China or Vietnam.
While he makes a good point. Its entirely moot because he left out the fact that companies like amazon were allowed to form oligarchys, and some cases outright monopolies. We pay our government to protect us from bad actors both foreign and domestic. They failed us by marrying those bad actors. Our "representatives" are chosen for us. So i dont see how this is our fault. Most people who run will never get any air time. Which is the point. Why would they give a spot light to anyone who wasnt one of them? I do hvac and have seen first hand the no bid contracts that go to certain companies because of free work they did for people just in local city government. You think this doesnt happen with the federal government? Thats why they can afford to outcompete the competition of small businesses. Its 100% rigged. We are not to blame. Our rulers are. Do you blame employees for a company failing or the owner?
It's the people's fault for thinking they could rely on others. Representatives were hired because humans could not be trusted so they go and hire "humans". It's a stupid notion
Democracy is just another form of feodalism. Neo feodalism. What the true rulers now are the banksters. And now this is a global phenomenon. The west got great PR stunts to make illusions that their democracy is the best.
@@ashade2877 hate to break it to you but the people never had that choice to begin with. Powerful people with guns decided that for them. A noble class created America cause they didn't want to bow to a king and now rule uncontested instead. By the time we were given a vote, the game was already rigged. It's time to stop blaming your fellow peasants for the actions of the elite.
@@bone6495and those who are too stupid get to make decisions that are weighted equal to someone who’s not stupid and it’s a damn shame. Mouth-breathers essentially deciding how our future plays out
The point of consumers not caring about where things come from easily carries over to people not caring about each other. People "care" about others, people say they care about others. But do people go out of their way to actually help others? Generally no. Just as asmongold says there are exceptions to this as there are with anything, but the 99% majority wouldn't go out of their way if it was any detriment to them to help others. Perfect example is the male loneliness/dating epidemic. People say they care, people say they want to help, but really they don't care or want to help.
Most people don't even care about that lol. Men are shamed in greater society if they bring up ANY problem they have and then told essentially to man up and get back to work, cog. ⚙️
problem is also that most people are afraid to help others, partly out of fear of danger or loss of personal capital (which lets face it, it's not going to get a lot better in the future) but also fear of rejection or worse accusation of some ism or phobia ''what you think x needs help from a y? what are you Z?'' even though it's very unlikely that that would happen, people experience the world in different ways, they have different ways of how they experience the world and since a lot of people have gotten a poor education, divourced parents, few dating experiences, mental illness or people just teaching them false things about the world and people, so they don't even know how to be compassioned or open to others, they aren't even open to themselves. how do you solve the male loneliness/dating epidemic? you can't please everyone and bringing change means people who don't like change will be upset, it becomes a power dynamic, which in essence come down to male power projection vs female power projection and men have largely been poorly socialized, where as woman have been over-socialized, there is also the conflict of past generations dominating politics so there is a generational conflict as well. once the generational conflict ends (as old people die off) the power dynamics will become just male vs female and then it could come down to who is able to use and manipulate the most force, it could get nasty, it won't manifest exactly like this but the rise of far right and far left political ideologies, are a sign of things to come.
This goes with the climate activists , the lgbtq activists , the Palestine activists , political activists in fact all of America is hypocritical in the message vs the action being taken or would be taken
@@Deadhumour0 Most people live around the equator. There's a difference in the distribution of intelligence between people living in hot climates and people living in cold climates.
@Tensorcrack This fact was uncovered by scientific studies. As to why this is, one could presume the prolonged proliferation of life in a cold climate would require a delayed gratification stimulus at the very least.
Thing is that the people in Congo aren’t suffering and exploiting each other because people are buying from them. They were doing that well before Europeans had contact with them.
That's more human nature than anything else. You could say the same thing about Europe with their continuous wars and the constant political games between the Church and the rulers.
Joy abound when fear is dead By vivid circuses and delightful bread. Who is concerned about the sights so red? So if you dare distract me from the delightful bread. I will return to the cruel dread. And realize that fear was never dead.
This is why i don't refer to myself as "a good person". And usually don't like when people try to call me that. Most of all, i despise hypocrisy. And with that lens, and with honest assessment, you realize that morality is far more complex and scary than we thought.
Case in point- modern Germans are by most accounts a good example of decent, civilized human beings. Yet only a couple generations ago, the majority of their ancestors followed Adolph Hitler into the deepest, darkest bowels of self-inflicted hell rather readily. Civilization and morality are truly just a veneer.
To be fair, if Jeff Bezos took a miniscule paycut and just treated his workers fairly there'd be no need to force 25% more of the cost on the customer, but companies like Amazon, Walmart, ect. are super greedy and seem to get off on treating their employees badly
I don't think Asmon is "harsh", in fact he seems rather kind and empathetic and also when his mother died he was destroyed and showed it openly and also took time off. but what really is his superpower is how he absolutely doesn't give a single f about what some anonymous internet trolls say. that is where his resilience shines.
I routinely lecture people about the power of the consumer and they usually roll their eyes hard. I don't get it. The conservatives almost killed anheuser-busch, it can be done.
They didn't almost kill Anheuser Busch. They started strong but forgot about pressing hard past a single financial quarter. They even had 💩 heads like Kid Rock and other right-wing types come out and say "they learned their lesson so get back to consooming". This has been a trend for a while, even Matt Walsh still consooms the NFL despite everything. It is like the right only has the endurance to fight for a news cycle and nothing more.
I never drank bud lite to begin with but i did look up what other brands they own so I quit drinking Modelo, then I realized It was pointless because a lot the people who quit bud light bought Modelo instead and they’re sales went up. People are incredibly short sighted
@@genzen6129 Unfortunately it didn't seem to cause a change in behavior. Instead of buying higher quality beer or just not drinking it at all, people just switched out this swill for that swill. The most effective boycott would have been for those consumers to stop buying from corporate brands entirely, since they all have the same views and policies that Bud Light does. Sad that people just went to another InBev product, though. It feels good to feel like you're doing something, until you realize you've done nothing.
I agree with Asmongold. It is fact but without those terrible jobs, with terrible pay a lot of these people in the third world wouldn't survive, they get paid pennies. Still If we take those jobs away, people will die, people won't be able to support their families. If we pay them more, they won't get paid more, the owner of the sweat shop or whatever the case just makes more money. In other words, there's no way to fix this. My conscience is clean. There's nothing you can do. If you did, you may make it far worse. The only way to fix it is to fix human beings on a biological level.
There are ways to fix it, but not at the hierarchie level you live in. In other words: There is no way FOR YOU to fix it. And this is why it is not your responsibility at all.
The problem with this libertarian argument is that is morally justifies large corporations. Don’t give them that. It takes away your leverage when it affects you.
There is no way to solve that humanity is deeply mentally ill. We're living a life of The Decline in Action. Humanity got far though, I will admit, but fortune gives and fortune takes.
Urinating in bottles and sixteen hour days just to live in your car is the American dream. We must all pick ourselves up by the bootstraps I'm told. Yay crapitalism.
The issue is simple: in a society of 100 people, your individual impact is 1/100. In a society of 1,000,000,000 people, your individual impact is 1/1,000,000,000. Human nature is to care proportional to the amount of responsibility one feels for a given outcome. If you yank that responsibility away, rip it up into a billion pieces and distribute those pieces among a billion people, nobody will care. This is why I will never complain about population collapse.
Just to shine a light on the opposite side. The people on another continent would care just as much or even less than, for people on this continent. It's not a one-sided thing. Society has also figured out ways of caring for people without directly caring for them in ways you would for your son/brother etc. The fact you can dial three numbers and humans who specialise in protecting you will answer and respond would be a miracle to ancient humans. Even the copious amounts of money we donate to the UN shows we've set a system that cares for those we don't care about.
Well, all we do can cause a chain reaction that can affect someone else passively or directly in time, even if it does not at a given moment. To give an example, if you neighbour's house and garden is burning down and all between you is a single wooden fence, not calling for the firefighters or at least assisting in some way will result in higher chances of burning your own house down. So, apart from platonic care, we also care for others because we care for ourselves - it's a matter of foresight and the mythical, rare empathy
Agreed, and there ARE more obvious ethical decisions people make during shopping like choosing items that say not tested on animals. When the choice is clear cut and doesn’t break the bank a lot of people do the right thing. Also the old shopping cart example. Most people want to be considerate it’s just hard sometimes.
I used to be a good person, but after 30yrs of mostly selfish useless friends/family and strangers that just try to squeeze all the juice out of you.. I used to be naive, but now i realize that most people arent "good" but neither are they particularly "bad", people are mostly grey.
@@thenightwatchman1598 The whole RUclips structure isn't really designed for movements, as if a movement is important it wouldn't gain traction outside of it's own niche. It could be quashed if some bribes exchanged hands too.
people don't care because: 1. Other people also don't care, so why would you care about them 2. There are 8 billion people on the planet. Its tough to care about every single one of them. To you, the reader, i'm just a regular commenter passing by. You'll forget about me after reading and possibly replying to this comment. 3. People act in their own self interest (most of the time), so its obvious they care more about themselves than others. For the sake of convenience, they'll throw out moral values in order to "ensure survival".
Its interesting. Some things, like moral issues, people prefer to better themselves financially. But some things, like relationships, if you pay a woman for sex, she doesnt genuinely love you. If you go on a date however, and pay for the meals or whatever, she sleeps with you. Its a weird conundrum where if you remove money by a factor of 1, things change. Thats whats happening here.
A big problem is the obscurity of it. I remember when I started eating organic, a co worker mentioned some companies just take regular food and label it organic. So why would you pay more for the same stuff? I replied with what percent do that, let's say 30%, so now it's just a cost to eat organic that 30% isn't but 70 % is. At least 70% is. I have really bad allergies and they improved to the point of being non existent when I consistently eat organic. I feel the same with avoiding exploitation: it's very difficult to know, and sometimes you're paying more for the same problem. Buying local is one way of doing many things right simultaneously
@@uhnborhn5032 Ugh, don't know what kind of answer was I expecting. I hope you at least enjoyed your time well spent. Still have a nice weekend to you.
@@summerwinter89 the “hurdurr muh trad strongman women strip their muh rights so they can kick it at home” are actually the biggest whiteknight mangina feminists of them all.
This video hits home after finding out the disturbing history of chocolate recently. Because I believe a majority of people have the close-minded view of “If it doesn’t happen to me, it mustn’t happen at all” and nonchalantly sweep certain issues under the rug until it somehow effects them or someone they know. Also, don’t forget about the whole "separating the art from the artist" approach to an extent regarding this as well.
As an online artist myself, I HATE when other artists try to make moralistic arguments against A.I. It's like, MF your computer was made by child-labor. Get over yourself. Not to mention, have you interacted with your typical online artist? Jesus Christ, if you haven't I genuinely envy you...
So insane how much those artists rather complain than do art. Like twitter stuffed with these nuts, crazy when they’re surprised most people don’t want to hear their opinions. Honestly hope Ai art gets better so people can be one man teams than work with toxic artists forcing views on people/openly hating on their fan.
As a programmer I'm honestly mostly opposed to AI. I don't think AI will replace programmers any time soon. But it will help with all the stupid little things that cost a lot of time. Why is that a bad thing? Well, for me it is, because I had no problem with these. Means I lose quite a bit of my competitive edge. Otoh I don't think untalented people will be great beneficiaries - smart people will just figure out how to be 10 times more effective with AI. I guess in some way this is the "I'm too old for this" argument. Well, it is what it is. In the end I think we are moving too fast already. The next rat race begins.
do lots of ai work myself and ive actually seen a few artists learning from ai, its just another tool they can use to help improve, hopefully artists can get around to working with ai instead of fighting it
As an artist you can also totally capitalize on A.I. with your own production and improve on your own ability to provide to those who like your stuff. Many people already push out rough prompts with generation to perfect afterwards with their manual skills.
Yeah those with great genetics with Ai will end the top 1% and become 0.1%. Look at average person with ai isn’t going really become magically more better at creating something entertaining. Which is going to make those amazing people stick out way more. Like how top athletes are freaks of nature, so will these naturally gifted people rise with Ai and use it like the tool it is. Going to be insane for average skill person to ever compete in future with someone who can use Ai to the fullest.
I genuinely believe that human selfishness and apathy will be the death of us all. And despite the fact that I am guilty of it as well, I’m not proud of myself. But some people are.
This whole line of thinking is bullshit. Companies will produce at the lowest possible price and sell at the highest the market will bear. They throw out this nonsense in order to be able to sell higher, and thus profit more.
We all suffer, some not as severe as others. That's why it is important to build friendships and families because it's all suffering under the same sky. You may never get another chance to hear their stories. Sometimes, that's all people ask. To be aware, instead of choosing to be neglectful.
Well someone summed it up: Existence is pointless. We exist just to know that existence is terrible and then strive to get back to non existence. Dont pick this is up the wrong way, non existence is just synonym for a harmonic state. Atleast if this is all there is to it, but Good Riddance to this clownworld for sure.
I disagree. Existence isn't pointless. But rather, existence is open ended for every single human. There is no set "point". You MAKE the point on your own.
An interesting hypothetical is: "would life in the Congo improve if all of those minerals were simply to disappear, leaving that industry no longer there to exploit people?" Almost all the evidence we have suggests that no in fact things would likely get worse. This shouldn't be seen as a justification of what goes on, nor does it absolve people in the west from profiting off of it. But it does highlight the difficulty of directly helping those affected. Even if you could indeed boycott those products, the evidence suggest that too would be selfish on your part; you're more or less trying to assuage your guilt, while not actually helping the people being exploited. I very much DO care what happens to these people and think it's abhorrent. But I not only can't stop it, it's impossible for an American in 2024 to not contribute to it in some way.
Tbh it probably would in the long term. I'm from Guyana and before oil the country was extremely poor, one of the poorest in the western hemisphere, but still miles ahead of most third world countries. Before the discovery of oil there was virtually no natural resources worth exploiting, but life was not that bad comparatively. There was no reason for corpos or western governments to mess with the place. If they never had the lithium to begin all the civil wars that btw westerners had a hand in its not solely the fault of the people in the congo, would never have happened.
I wouldn’t mind if _everyone_ ditched their phones and PCs due to moral reasons. The only reason I want a Phone/PC is because everyone else uses it and I would be at a massive disadvantage if I didn’t have those things.
You can't even get a job without a phone and PC. To abandon these devices is to risk becoming homeless. I believe being homeless and abandoning modern society is the only real alternative since society is not likely to willingly regress back to less technology. Many of us were unaware growing up, but we still all contributed. We are all sinners.
I would rather most everything be made in the USA. Yes, higher price, but also more jobs. Would be one of the parts of fixing our economy. Fixed economy would hopefully have the knock-on effect of prices coming into the correct range.
That's exactly what's happening to "us" as we continue to outsource our jobs to other countries. There's a slow degredation of job security in the US as lower cost suppliers are used outside the US.
May be truth, but it doesn’t make his point on this matter any less true. One doesn’t have to be a completely righteous individual to make a truthful statement, or observation. Suggesting that that isn’t the case when we’re not discussing a person’s transgressions, is a common fallacy used to avoid the topic under discussion.
Alternative options aren't really presented to us in any meaningful way. People might actually surprise you if they were. Not everybody. But a lot more might step up than the doubters like to admit.
People dont care about the suffering of others, but they care deeply about being perceived as someone who cares about the suffering of others, in case they are themselves in need of help at some point.
There’s being aware of the reality and taking steps to change it and there’s being aware of reality and choosing to not care about it. Asmongold is aware but doesn’t care about changing it. If we as a society held companies accountable for their actions things would change, but we don’t. Those of us who do care don’t exist in great enough numbers to affect anything meaningful. So I guess what I’m saying is.. I’ll buy this gpu and feel like a piece of shit for doing it while asmongold will buy the gpu and feel just fine.
I care about myself, my family, my people and thats about it. This concept of a universal humanity might be great for the internet age but to me it is a falsehood and alien.
Every one get some abuse at work at life in general . That abuse drives people to become cold some dont care from the get go . Sadly those who still care get abused by those who dont yet another reason saying " no good deed gets unpunished" exist.
I often click on videos with titles like "What AI can't do that artists can!" hoping for something insightful or interesting. But every time, it's just a roundabout, flowery way of saying that AI art lacks the human touch. The cope is strong.
It lacks origination. It's like seeing words and images in alphabet spaghettios. Regurgitating junk humans already made. It's throw up. You see, art had already taken a massive nosedive in the 20th century... didnt take much more tech to completely junk food it. AI writing and images are high fructose corn syrup
imo, digital "art" is not art. That solves the problem. I don't even consider film photography to be art, though I used to. I fully realize this is highly arguable. For instance, is what Andy Warhol used to do (photo silkscreen, and manufactured art, symbolized by repetition) art? The art world sure thinks so. But then where's the boundary?
@genestone4951 I agree. The boundary is raw media, hand made, no printers. Sure, graphic artists exist, but they also employ an arsenal of software that grants immunity from error and anonymity from actual construction. Furthermore, art isn't subjective. It's scrutinized by THE Elements and Principles of Design ie Balance, Depth, Contrast, Value, Directional Movement, Color etc... so if we actually apply that basis of standard, the works of Picasso, Pollock and others FAIL miserably. The fact is, much of what is called "art" today is anything other than art, especially anything that could be called GOOD art. The painting Nighthawks by Hopper is a wonderful example of REAL, GOOD Art. An example of fake art is anything made by art software and them dumped out of a printer. The "artist" is incapable of actually making a real oil on canvas painting. This was already a major problem 15 years ago, but now you have people who couldn't even draw a stick figure, using fancy "AI" software, and they think they're artists and want the rights to the trash a computer made. It's ridiculous
People literally can't care about what happens to strangers. You would go insane if you did, which is no small part of why most people who virtue signal come off as lunatics. They're most likely just pretending to care for clout, which people can detect, but some actually do care at least a little bit, and those people become completely deranged.
He has a first mover effect and relatability to a lot of Americans who grew up during the MMO era, that's his positives. The rest I find negative and the only reason I'm critical of him is because how large he is, perhaps others were more deserving of attention wealth etc. not just me but others at my level who have put a lot of time & effort in.
@@Bawkr He's just another clickbait youtuber who runs off of stupid e-drama while watching/reviewing other people's content. His takes on things are really shallow and I watched enough of his stuff to understand his whole shtick and now I have him blocked.
@@Nuttymike You mis-understand him & don't know his origin or at-least from what you have told me this far, you aren't telling me anything that I don't know, just saying. He was a MMO gamer back in the late beige PC era when DSL and T1-T3 became a thing, when computers started to become black & more stylish but there we're still a lot of beige ones. He made YT guide tutorial videos for years, I even followed one of his WoD ones when he was just starting to gain traction, what he has become wasn't what he always was & it doesn't sound like that you know based on your response to my comment.
@@Bawkr I played wow, but I haven't touched it since legion. I'm familiar with him, but I never cared for these e-personalities, and I don't need to go through the entire lore and backstory of this dweeb on how he became just another nihilistic youtuber farming for clicks who mostly uses other people's content.
I don't like these "Would you rather...?" hypotheticals designed to make people pick the lesser two evils. I usually say "f*ck both of those choices and FIX THE REAL PROBLEM". That is what I would rather.
Do you know what I did when I was working like a slave at amazon? I quit. Do you know what will happen if people stopped buying non-ethically sourced products? They'd force millions out of a job, of which likely the majority will starve. Since I first heard this argument (not from asmongold, that goes way way back) I never really understood why the consumer has to get all the blame. Sure, I am keeping an evil company running by buying these cheap pants, but how did said evil company manage to spring up in the first place? Most likely government corruption. Alrighty then, lets pretend you and i along with most people buy expensive pants from only ethical companies, can you guess what will happen to these companies once the product becomes too expensive to make, or the price of the product goes down due to demand and supply? Yes, they'll engage in the same practices that the evil companies engaged in. This happens all the time. Think cocacola, disney, nestle, etc. We accomplish nothing because the underlying problem is NOT the consumer. The problem is simply human nature. Either way, the employee along with the government is also at fault, more so i'd argue, but we want to just dump everything on people that just want to get by... bruh. I use arch btw
We are punished for caring about others. It's one thing if is no reward, but when the person you helped becomes an active threat to your life and livelihood, indifference is required for survival. Are you going to help a woman when her car breaks down on the side of the road, knowing there is a good chance you will end up behind bars for a fake crime? Are you going to help an abused child, knowing that your interaction may be used to send you to prison or make you a debt slave? Are you going to invite someone off the street into your home, when they may end up hurting you, your family, or even using the law to take your home from you? The decay of society is the reason for the lack of compassion, not the other way around.
@@nicholasrandall3507 I would largely agree. Unless it was a close friend or family member it was a "no good deed goes unpunished" situation. For me personally, I don't mind specifically if society is spiteful and cruel per se, but I am bothered by the candy coating of compassion that is being used to cover it up. Recently I got burned so hard by people that were supposed to be the most compassionate, that I will not be doing any special favors for people in the near future. In 10 years i'll check again to see where we are.
@@erikbussell1852 Not to mention people fake the need for help and will either at best profit of of you or at worst straight up kill you like Ted Bundy. Frankly the last one isn't common but you get the point. Humanity cant be trusted period, until we get to a certain point where things start moving for the better, if at all, it will take massive amounts of blood sweet and tears for all of humanity.
These are the days you will remember as the good old days few years from now,try to enjoy as much as you can because i dont think it will last for much longer as the entire system already collapsed,this is just overtime
"Out of sight, out of mind" If it's not right in front of me and affecting me or the ones I love directly, I couldn't give a sh*t... It's baffling that people think strangers should care about them.
My dad died while overseas and I kept on working instead of staying at home. Part of it was that none of the services that I need to use are closed, so I have to work on it after I left the job for the day.
Who are these people and where do they come from and why does it seem that they just pop up out of nowhere? One day Jordan Peterson didn't exist, then the next he did. One day Andrew Tate didn't exist, then all of a sudden not only does he exist, he has a brother, was on TV a long time ago, an entire history manufactured by...who? Asmongold, Sam Sulek, Grant Cardone, The Wilf of Wormstrasse, Hasan Piker, Neon....what is generating these people out of thin air complete with their own elaborate histories and back stories?
I do fully agree. However, we still need to try and get people to be better. While we can't do anything about the infant laborers in the Congo, etc. We can still do something about the ones suffering in our own country. If we just say, "Oh it's just human nature, we can't do anything about it, yeah I exploit them too, but at least I admit it", that, is not going to do anything for anyone. It just makes you and me, a different kind of evil, just not a hypocrite. There's a reason the quote, "For evil to win, all good has to do is nothing" exists. Going by this logic we wouldn't have people helping those in need within their community. If you can't even do that, then how can you expect to do anything for those who are thousands of miles away? The world is a dark depressing place, but we still have the power to be a light in it and there are billions of us. Even if individually, our light may be dim, combined, we can be brighter than anything. And, no this isn't some motivational poster bullshit. Yes, humans are animals, we still have a lot of outdated brain function in us, because that's how evolution works. But, our brain is still an anomaly in the animal kingdom. We have evolved in a way, that we can internalize these thoughts. We are able to have this discussion and many are even able to put it all into action, even if it's because of some self-serving gratification, good is good. The key is conditioning as many people as possible, possibly from a young age, to be that way. Neuroplasticity can be used to create good and bad people. We just create more bad ones because of various reasons, convenience, greed, negligence and/or nihilistic mindset. Fact is, there are those who would do good, if raised to be so.
Not talking about your general point, but lets be honest about Asmon here, he is just a loser that got extremely lucky making the laziest of contents. Ofc he can give a sound argument sometimes.
I haven't watched Asmongold ; but judging by this snippet of a clip, I think he and this video paints a gross oversimplification of the issue. Are most western consumers really purchasing the cheaply manufactured products of these metals due to a lack of caring about the abused and exploited populations in other places or is it simply because living paycheck to paycheck barely having enough for basic necessities (continued rise in $$ costs of housing, food, automobiles and rent); doesn't afford them any other alternatives. The truth in all likelihood, is that it's probably a mixed bag. These E-personality streamer types have the luxury of being able to contemplate these questions largely due to the circumstances of a high-income socio-economic status they've been allotted due to a combination of variables, most of which if we're being honest, had nothing to do with them. In other words, if we're using Maslow's Hierchy of Needs; people like Asmongold would be placed at the very top of the pyramid(self-actualization). It's going to be hard contemplating questions over grandeur moral dilemmas when you're commuting and working 60+ hours a week to just barely have enough to keep a roof over your head. I don't wanna speak on Europe, but this is the current state for most of the populous in the United States; either at the lower-middle or bottom of Maslow's Hierchy. I think it's almost impossible to say what people would or wouldn't purchase if they're never afforded the option for an alternative.
@@gravelpit5680 In other words, the problem isn't the indifference of the majority, as much as it is a symptom. It's the amoral sociopathic greed of the elite class.
At this point democracy is as reliant on technocratic corporations as they are to democracy. If you think about it, the internet and it’s numb consumerist ecosystems might be the last fabric we share as “Americans”
Jefferson did not like slavery but kept over 200 of them. He said "Slavery is like holding a wolf by the ears, you don't like it but you do not dare let it go".
It's not just about our limited ability to care for strangers. It's also caused by uncertainty - there's some probability that us buying a product will hurt someone out there, but we don't know. To give an example where it's not about caring about someone else, the same problem happens with cigarette smoking. It's proven without any doubt that smoking is extremely harmful, but nobody can say whether you personally will get cancer. So many people keep smoking. Not because they don't care about themselves, but because cause and effect are uncertain.
Oh, we care, we just can't do shit about it. Not participating in this instance doesn't stop it from happening. I can not enslave someone myself, or not use AI to generate art myself, but nothing happens if I simply don't benefit. It still goes on.
The average westerner of the major countries has it pretty close to as poor as you can get. I just saw a german guy say they control how big a place a single person can rent, while muslim families are getting government provided housing.
Isn't Asmongold a game reviewer? He scrapes up what we all know and now it's profound? To paraphrase that rodent Ben Shapiro, capitalism doesn't care about your feelings.
People care about things but have different values. Stupidity, ignorance and corruption is the norm. As result there are tradeoffs. If your boss pays a weak wage. If the price of housing and other essentials is high. You really don't have a choice but to buy what you can afford. Your in no position to care if you have no good alternatives.
I think this is only half-true. You're not taking into consideration tribalism. Our "camp" would be the close family and friends, our "band" is Dunbar's number of friends/coworkers/etc., and our "tribe" is a symbolic group (traditionally around 1000-2000 people, but much larger these days) that enables large-scale cooperation and acts as a hedge against genetic stochasticity/"bad luck" genetic drift (Both Alison Brooks and David R. Samson have written about this in more depth than I could). Tribe could be religious, nationalist, an ethnolinguistic group, etc. but is typically based upon symbols of some sort. People care about people they identify with, otherwise nobody would complain about these things in the first place. It's not so much "people don't care unless something affects them," it's "people don't care unless something affects them or theirs." For example, Asmongold doesn't play any of the Yakuza games, or watch Lovely Complex, but he identifies with gamers and anime fans in general, so to him, it becomes an important issue. In his video about woke translators in video games, he even suggests that people should stop buying those games. Contrast this with his views on AI art: Asmongold does not identify with artists, so to him it's a nonissue that only crazy people care about. However, I think it is possible to identify with larger groups of people than even that, even if it is uncommon. This seems to be the whole premise of organizations like Doctors Without Borders, where people may risk their lives to ensure that people in conflicts all over the world receive medical care. In essence, a "global tribe." Most people do not genuinely identify with this kind of global tribe, even if they idealistically think that they do. This is part of why some "impersonal" boycotts are successful. For example, the 1791 sugar boycott in England was largely successful. It was led by the highly religious (e.g: tribal) Quakers who were protesting sugar made from slaves. None of the Quakers were personally impacted by slavery, and it's unlikely that any of them would be personally familiar with slaves on the other side of the world. However, the ethics/morals of the Quakers at that time were a strong tribal symbol for them, so by boycotting, you would be signalling your allegiance to the Quaker "tribe." Importantly, they pushed it into a nondenominational issue, to the extent that half a million people, most of which were not Quakers, were boycotting sugar made by slaves. They did this by framing it as an issue for British society, talking about the dangers of consumerism and "modern consumption." So then, instead of antislavery just being a Quaker tribal signal, it became a British tribal signal. I hope this doesn't get buried! It's clear that you've researched your stuff, and I don't totally disagree with your conclusions, but I think that you're missing a very important piece of the human puzzle.
dont think you can put it on the consumer, we are already paying insane markups for no reason other than its accepted, theres no reason why things couldnt be done ethically without increasing the price to the consumer, they could probably lower the price, do everything ethically, and still make profit, just not maximised profit, it would be coming out of their very deep pockets so its entirely down to the greed of a few, not the indifference of the many
This is why I'll never be rich. It requires a certain kind of darkness and monstrous nature to become rich. Also this whole topic was summed up best by Joseph Stalin: The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic. And why not ask: why should we care about some holocaust or genocide if consumers get something out of it. Hell why do we think life holds any intrinsic value if the foundations of modernity is inhumane. Maybe the real joke is believing there is such a thing as being good. Maybe everyone is no different to a serial killer. At least the serial killer is honest about his nature.
The idea that if you paid Amazon twice as much for the same service that that money would go to improving working conditions is false. Do you honestly believe that Amazon doesn't have enough money to provide good working conditions? Of course they do. The issue is that they will pay the lowest price that they can get away with paying their workers and they treat them as badly as they can get away with treating them. Just as consumers always look for the best value in the things they buy. This market capitalism at work. If you don't like the results then some socialist ideas need to be interjected. Bitching about consumer behavior is a dead end.
To the point of abuse/human exploitation, it isn’t true to simply not buy the product. Corporations are in the INTEREST of bringing whatever product is in demand at the least cost. You have to FORCE them either with government regulation or tariffs or whatever to pay their supply chain and workers fairly, unfortunately.
Integrity is doing the right thing even when no one is looking. This is how I operate so when I do things for others, I don’t expect anything in return. This modus operandi is not mutually exclusive with not caring about others. I generally still do not care about anyone else except for a small few in my circle.
The problem is, humans are evolved to deal with issues on a communal scale, not a global one. Considering news about unimaginable suffering is always coming from somewhere, you both have no real power to change it and eventually have to simply learn to not care about the suffering of others if you want to live. It's even becoming increasingly normal for people to know far more about world affairs than local affairs. The normal mode for humans is to deal with problems as they appear around them.
I would also recommend MentisWave’s video on this topic “Basic Economics VS The Rationalization Hamster”. The idea of supply and demand is not hard for someone to understand, but it is hard for many to stop rationalizing their way out of the reality.
The reason people buy these isn't because they don't care, Most care and would rather pay the higher price as in the long term it is better for everyone. Problem is people care more about being ripped off while not making a difference. If they don't buy it they lose out while someone else buys it and no difference is made to the problem. It's a game theory problem and you have to make sure everyone is doing it or no one will be doing it. People will vote for something to become law but that doesn't mean they will assume it is law before then just because it should be.
I feel good that I refuse to consume more than I really need, and only "splurge" on a few luxury items that really are what interest me (e.g computers). That's about the extent to which we could reasonably ask people to conduct themselves, imo.
Callous to the indifference of MALE labor, get the framing right. People have no issue with males being exploited and being made to suffer, that's why people don't care.
I care about worker's conditions but it has cost me financially and time wise, significantly if added all together, because cheap products and services always come at the cost of human misery, and the overwhelming majority of people will not pay with their time or money for a vague notion of "making things better". It's why our earth is polluted possibly to the point of our own extinction, it's why every generation is stuck in a top down system of rule by tyrants no matter how pretty we make the medium of that power appear, it's why nothing gets better. Having morals does make one a fool, because you aren't actually ever going to change anything by taking a stand and nobody but you will care about the sacrifices you make, but that doesn't mean having them is wrong.
It goes beyond man-made products. For example, in this country alone, you have people proclaiming that they're all about American Indian rights. Isn't interesting, though, how those very same people are content to live on land that was stolen from those Indians, and would rigorously fight for that supposed right? I'm not politically correct, so if I've offended anyone by certain words or phrases that I've used in this post, go hug a teddy bear.
He just seems like another Destiny. A gamer that spouts the same superficial crap most younger content creators do. The reason why I think people don't care is because we ultimately create our problems. Even if you removed someone from their issues they would only repeat the same patterns. Most of us won't try or even attempt to try to better our lives. We quit before we start.
I believe yeah in a way that’s life we create our own problems but sometimes we don’t create our problems look at how the housing prices have gone high is it gen zs fault they can’t get enough money to buy a house nope of course not the stereotype of living in you moms house doesn’t matter anymore because people are in the same situation if something impacts people all together best believe another revolution will happen
People don't care about others, then they are surprised when they find out it's mutual.
Right on the money.
I mean..my cell phone/PCs vs the guaranteed suffering of shortys.. I care about my coffee in the morning more than I care about these Minecraft Kids. F those Kids!
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and this also ties to the biggest issue I have when people like Pordan Jesterson try to sell responsibility as a biggest virtue you can aspire to. Yeah, responsibility definitely can help but without reciprocity it can only lead to burnout
It's really funny how many are still unable to comprehend that.
"Half the people don't care about your problems and the other half are glad you have them."
Thats messed up but maybe thats why it makes me laugh
Sad but true.
I know people who don't sleep because people suffer in the world.
This is just agreeing with people's projection of their own different personalities.
@@Rabb1tOfT1me the person that you know is an outlier.
@@tythegreatttg We do not care about that. We are not all the same for a reason.
Are you saying being "average" is the goal in life? XD
Asmongold was criticised for saying "artists opinion don't matter only the consumers opinions matter." Artists can make art but if consumers aren't interested to pay for it doesn't matter what the artists think.
He's not wrong
Every time you argue with people what they should do based on what makes sense for _you_ rather than what makes sense for them, you lose.
a lot of it was also about perceived value and inherent value, but basically those people criticizing just don't know the difference.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757art is not magic. It's a subjective thing and it is in relation with the rest of the people's perception. A art work is a creation. If that creation is a communication form with the others but only the creator understands it, it is meaningless. If it is not a communication form, and someone just defecates on a piece of paper calling that a masterpiece, anything can be claimed as art. Is there a supranatural being above us who judges what is art and what is not art? Or is just us sticking bananas on walls and being pleased with ourselves?
@@clownphabetstrongwoman7305I mean ag the end of the day it will fall ai will take over that department yeah we can have this conversation over and over but we know that companies will continue to push out people for a profit ai laws are important but nobody wants to do the work to ensure laws are made
The problem with paying more for "ethically sourced minerals" is you just know that'll just become another marketing buzzword that companies can use to mislead consumers with, meanwhile also upping the price.
depends on the ethics, slavery is actually everywhere. What degree of slavery, does one support the slavery?? Good joke.
The whole system is founded on slavery. In order to gain you have to take, it just spiralled out in the worst extend possible.
@@Parlimant_Strifey 👏👏👏👏👏 Someone with basic intelect. Youre force to obey and follow the system and the status quo. It you try to leave it they try to get you.
MEN are the only net tax payers, MEN are the only ones keep society running, YET MEN HAVE ALL THE RESPONSIBLITY AND NO AUTORITH.
Same with "organic" and "cage-free"
Those environmentally friendly labels don't mean what most people think they mean.
They always threaten that the cost will end up on consumers, but that's only because the corporations actually are too greedy to take even a 10% net profit decrease.
I have trouble caring because I'm completely overwhelmed by my own mess of a life.
Ditto.
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This, also.
Same. I’m so selfish bcuz I only care about my own problems.
FUCKING FIX IT!!! if it's the wrong timeline, just fix it... silly billy.
How many of our beliefs are genuine and how many are luxury beliefs dropped at the first sign of hardship (or rather inconvenience)?
People who don't put their money where their mouth is don't actually believe in what they say, but they know what's socially acceptable and what isn't.
Beliefs by definition are unfounded concepts held as if true.
@JamesHawkeRUclips Says the enlightened atheist. Some beliefs are like self-fulfilling prophecies, they only become true if acted out in the world. For example "all human life has value" is not an objective fact. However, if we all act in a way as if it does, then it becomes "social truth", it starts to feel instinctively true to people who have been socialized in the same way. If you don't like the word "beliefs" then replace it with "convictions".
"People who don't put their money where their mouth is don't actually believe in what they say, but they know what's socially acceptable and what isn't."
Not true, some people just aren't strong enough themselves to do the right thing, but tell others to do the right thing in the hopes *they are*. It's like eating junk food and telling the world that it's unhealthy and that (organ)meat is the only thing you really should be eating.
we're herd animals and easily manipulated, look at covid, despite the west priding itself on freedom it locked itself down and barred that freedom the moment people got scared enough, the consequences of which we still feel today and will for a long time
Eh, I don't actually know about that. You can be fully convinced of something, while still not wanting to lose your ability to provide for yourself just because you couldn't resist saying what you believed.
Most people aren’t good people, most people are two deviation points away from being evil. Most people are completely self serving in all things.
we lives in the age of the ragin narcissists...they are everywhere.
Being honest, long-term thinking, intelligence are not traits equally distributed...
It’s almost as though human nature did not code for ‘virtue’ or ‘good’.
i hope you arent a +1 to all that.
“Call no man good no not one” - Jesus Christ
"Out of sight, out of minds..."
Anyone who tells you they don't do it are freaking liars...
It's not the consumer's job to protect the workers. The workers are the ones looking after their own interests. If your job treats you badly, quit. If there are no better jobs ask your govt why they're stifling business. Whining for someone down the line to fix their problems will never work.
@@solaroid4442the business is usually the slave to govment though. Remember the business primary job is to act as the licensed tax collector, all that stuff you buy are just you paying for some form of access related widget. The means to the end of tax collection.
If humans aren't supposed to do it, who will?@@solaroid4442
"for the people by the people"; but the people are sociopaths@@solaroid4442
no we are just the ppl who dont have autism
Problem is, there's pain and injustice throughout the world. And trashing my PC isn't going to help anyone, but keeping it will help me. So considering not one soul in this world, would give a shite if I didn't take my next breath, I will keep my PC.
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The issue isn't trashing it once you have it. At that point, money has already changed hands, and you've funded whoever good/bad/neutral actors you're going to fund by buying those PC parts. The point of the video is to say: If people actually cared about this exploitation - and in a way, if they even had the ability to care about it - the only way to take a stand would be to simply not buy the items in question.
There's no need to trash your PC even if it funded a warlord for example, because you've already indirectly paid that warlord by buying those parts, and trashing it would likely just equate to giving said (theoretical) mineral-hoarding warlord more money if you wanted to build another PC. Will we all give up the comfort and convenience of some of these things (i.e. PCs, smartphones) and stop buying them in the future, even if it helps humanity in general? Probably not.
Nice Reddit philosophy idiot
Trashing your PC would actually be morally worse. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that trashing your PC would be a form of justice.
Yeah, Bro. If I had to choose between my PC and ending world hunger, I would be like, well we can't all eat. 👹👺✌
It's also how big human race has gotten. For example if you live in a town of 50 people, you would feel disgusted if they were impacted by what you're doing to them indirectly. It's hard to care about 8 billion people.
Meh people could easily see the damage they were causing by opting for the convenience of big stores like Walmart in small towns all over, they just failed to see that once Walmart found it unprofitable they will gladly close up and leave behind a food desert. It happened all over many, many times. People sold out their local stores for corporate owned at the expense of their neighbors, so I would beg to differ.
He's come a long way from the days of Asmongold's lair.
he still lives in his lair, he's just richer, wiser and more hard working then ever, it's kind of amazing how he does it.
His ability to not shower for weeks is incredible.
@@thinking-ape6483 It's amazing how often high intelligence can lead to seemingly bizarre behavior.
@@thinking-ape6483 He has many living habits that are distressing to a lot of people, but his inattentiveness to cleanliness gives him a lot more time to ponder the universe.
@@dustysmoke4996 There is something unironically superhuman about him.
Hes right. Nobody really cares. Money > morality has been the norm in history
Its like victims of natural disasters. Most of society doesnt give a shit about the people in so far as the personal tragedy they have experienced. They only care after the fact as in how it relates to them.
I personally want to try and buy "ethical" versions of products, but the issue is the price. 99% of society is not in a financial position to care. Its why those in poverty are some of the largest polluters outside of large corporations and farmers. They don't have the luxury of choice.
When it comes to video games, begars can't be choosers either. The wallet dictates how they can vote.
And often besides price, there is availability of options. For example Asmond says you could pay extra for Amazon prime but that isnt' even offered. Clothes are the same. You as the consumer almost can't find clothes that aren't made say in China or Vietnam.
You can vote by not paying and still playing ⛵
@@MrStinkels Yeah, there is no argument against piracy and there never will be.
@@CheeseOfMasters Considering they just removed Spec ops the line.... piracy is always gud.
yes, the idea of the ethical self ends at the shop shelf.
While he makes a good point. Its entirely moot because he left out the fact that companies like amazon were allowed to form oligarchys, and some cases outright monopolies. We pay our government to protect us from bad actors both foreign and domestic. They failed us by marrying those bad actors.
Our "representatives" are chosen for us. So i dont see how this is our fault. Most people who run will never get any air time. Which is the point. Why would they give a spot light to anyone who wasnt one of them?
I do hvac and have seen first hand the no bid contracts that go to certain companies because of free work they did for people just in local city government. You think this doesnt happen with the federal government?
Thats why they can afford to outcompete the competition of small businesses. Its 100% rigged. We are not to blame. Our rulers are.
Do you blame employees for a company failing or the owner?
It's the people's fault for thinking they could rely on others. Representatives were hired because humans could not be trusted so they go and hire "humans". It's a stupid notion
Democracy is just another form of feodalism. Neo feodalism. What the true rulers now are the banksters. And now this is a global phenomenon. The west got great PR stunts to make illusions that their democracy is the best.
@@ashade2877 hate to break it to you but the people never had that choice to begin with. Powerful people with guns decided that for them. A noble class created America cause they didn't want to bow to a king and now rule uncontested instead. By the time we were given a vote, the game was already rigged.
It's time to stop blaming your fellow peasants for the actions of the elite.
@@ashade2877 Its not stupid, most people do need someone else to tell them what to do.
@@bone6495and those who are too stupid get to make decisions that are weighted equal to someone who’s not stupid and it’s a damn shame. Mouth-breathers essentially deciding how our future plays out
The point of consumers not caring about where things come from easily carries over to people not caring about each other.
People "care" about others, people say they care about others. But do people go out of their way to actually help others? Generally no. Just as asmongold says there are exceptions to this as there are with anything, but the 99% majority wouldn't go out of their way if it was any detriment to them to help others.
Perfect example is the male loneliness/dating epidemic. People say they care, people say they want to help, but really they don't care or want to help.
Most people don't even care about that lol. Men are shamed in greater society if they bring up ANY problem they have and then told essentially to man up and get back to work, cog. ⚙️
Got censored again. Yuck foutube.
problem is also that most people are afraid to help others, partly out of fear of danger or loss of personal capital (which lets face it, it's not going to get a lot better in the future) but also fear of rejection or worse accusation of some ism or phobia ''what you think x needs help from a y? what are you Z?'' even though it's very unlikely that that would happen, people experience the world in different ways, they have different ways of how they experience the world and since a lot of people have gotten a poor education, divourced parents, few dating experiences, mental illness or people just teaching them false things about the world and people, so they don't even know how to be compassioned or open to others, they aren't even open to themselves.
how do you solve the male loneliness/dating epidemic? you can't please everyone and bringing change means people who don't like change will be upset, it becomes a power dynamic, which in essence come down to male power projection vs female power projection and men have largely been poorly socialized, where as woman have been over-socialized, there is also the conflict of past generations dominating politics so there is a generational conflict as well.
once the generational conflict ends (as old people die off) the power dynamics will become just male vs female and then it could come down to who is able to use and manipulate the most force, it could get nasty, it won't manifest exactly like this but the rise of far right and far left political ideologies, are a sign of things to come.
@@secretagent4610 I dislike those citches and bunts too.
How many female dating coaches are both single and giving advice on RUclips?
This goes with the climate activists , the lgbtq activists , the Palestine activists , political activists in fact all of America is hypocritical in the message vs the action being taken or would be taken
The world, brother, people at large bathe in hypocrisy.
@@Deadhumour0 Most people live around the equator. There's a difference in the distribution of intelligence between people living in hot climates and people living in cold climates.
@Tensorcrack This fact was uncovered by scientific studies. As to why this is, one could presume the prolonged proliferation of life in a cold climate would require a delayed gratification stimulus at the very least.
Its all of the world
I noticed all your examples were left wing
Thing is that the people in Congo aren’t suffering and exploiting each other because people are buying from them. They were doing that well before Europeans had contact with them.
That's more human nature than anything else. You could say the same thing about Europe with their continuous wars and the constant political games between the Church and the rulers.
And we all know why.
@@realdomdom African mentality. A fact the woke mob ignore.
Oy! Stop noticing who owned the ships!
No they actually weren't. Or at least nowhere near this magnitude. If im wrong correct me.
Breads and Circuses
Where's the free bread?
@@hongolloyd8728 the blood diamonds
Panera?
Joy abound when fear is dead
By vivid circuses and delightful bread.
Who is concerned about the sights so red?
So if you dare distract me from the delightful bread.
I will return to the cruel dread.
And realize that fear was never dead.
@@hongolloyd8728watching youtube/streamers.
This is why i don't refer to myself as "a good person". And usually don't like when people try to call me that.
Most of all, i despise hypocrisy. And with that lens, and with honest assessment, you realize that morality is far more complex and scary than we thought.
"Our desire to see ourselves as good often undermines our ability to actually do good."
the worst part about the cosby thing is the hipocrisy!
In full agreement with you..
Case in point- modern Germans are by most accounts a good example of decent, civilized human beings. Yet only a couple generations ago, the majority of their ancestors followed Adolph Hitler into the deepest, darkest bowels of self-inflicted hell rather readily. Civilization and morality are truly just a veneer.
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So basically, the further someone is from our immediate orbit, the more likely we are to regard them like a man.
I mean there is truth to the statement "from the sight of the stars we look like ants".
To be fair, if Jeff Bezos took a miniscule paycut and just treated his workers fairly there'd be no need to force 25% more of the cost on the customer, but companies like Amazon, Walmart, ect. are super greedy and seem to get off on treating their employees badly
I don't think Asmon is "harsh", in fact he seems rather kind and empathetic and also when his mother died he was destroyed and showed it openly and also took time off. but what really is his superpower is how he absolutely doesn't give a single f about what some anonymous internet trolls say. that is where his resilience shines.
Well, as the saying goes:
"They came for x and I did not care, etc. Then they came for me."
True as it is, so is that.
I’m dying to go, no pun
One of Machiavellians ideas about being the best politician was that people care about results, not methods.
I routinely lecture people about the power of the consumer and they usually roll their eyes hard. I don't get it. The conservatives almost killed anheuser-busch, it can be done.
They didn't almost kill Anheuser Busch. They started strong but forgot about pressing hard past a single financial quarter. They even had 💩 heads like Kid Rock and other right-wing types come out and say "they learned their lesson so get back to consooming". This has been a trend for a while, even Matt Walsh still consooms the NFL despite everything. It is like the right only has the endurance to fight for a news cycle and nothing more.
I never drank bud lite to begin with but i did look up what other brands they own so I quit drinking Modelo, then I realized It was pointless because a lot the people who quit bud light bought Modelo instead and they’re sales went up. People are incredibly short sighted
just consoom product and get exited for next product!
Your putting innocent workers out of a job, and in this economy no less. You have no heart my friend.
@@genzen6129 Unfortunately it didn't seem to cause a change in behavior. Instead of buying higher quality beer or just not drinking it at all, people just switched out this swill for that swill. The most effective boycott would have been for those consumers to stop buying from corporate brands entirely, since they all have the same views and policies that Bud Light does. Sad that people just went to another InBev product, though. It feels good to feel like you're doing something, until you realize you've done nothing.
I agree with Asmongold. It is fact but without those terrible jobs, with terrible pay a lot of these people in the third world wouldn't survive, they get paid pennies. Still If we take those jobs away, people will die, people won't be able to support their families. If we pay them more, they won't get paid more, the owner of the sweat shop or whatever the case just makes more money. In other words, there's no way to fix this. My conscience is clean. There's nothing you can do. If you did, you may make it far worse. The only way to fix it is to fix human beings on a biological level.
There are ways to fix it, but not at the hierarchie level you live in.
In other words: There is no way FOR YOU to fix it.
And this is why it is not your responsibility at all.
The problem with this libertarian argument is that is morally justifies large corporations. Don’t give them that. It takes away your leverage when it affects you.
how about they get better pay and better working conditions?
There is no way to solve that humanity is deeply mentally ill. We're living a life of The Decline in Action. Humanity got far though, I will admit, but fortune gives and fortune takes.
@@xxx_vltr_xxx6794 And how would you make sure that happens?
Urinating in bottles and sixteen hour days just to live in your car is the American dream. We must all pick ourselves up by the bootstraps I'm told. Yay crapitalism.
please stop consuming oxygen, commie
This is literally me rn
I wish I had so many bottles
Still better than living in a communist nation.
@@NikosM112 I'm not advocating for communism. Communism is the special needs little brother of crapitalism. Either way the hard workers get nothing.
The issue is simple: in a society of 100 people, your individual impact is 1/100.
In a society of 1,000,000,000 people, your individual impact is 1/1,000,000,000. Human nature is to care proportional to the amount of responsibility one feels for a given outcome. If you yank that responsibility away, rip it up into a billion pieces and distribute those pieces among a billion people, nobody will care. This is why I will never complain about population collapse.
As a consumer I don't give a fuck about anything or anyone
Do you have an iPhone, though?
@@MinarrealSamsung is better
@@Minarreal Motorola reporting in
At least you’re more honest and self-aware than the majority of people out here.
I'm honest about being evil, and these people are out of their minds. They act more like psychopaths than I do as a psychopath. 😂@@CRM-114
Just to shine a light on the opposite side. The people on another continent would care just as much or even less than, for people on this continent. It's not a one-sided thing.
Society has also figured out ways of caring for people without directly caring for them in ways you would for your son/brother etc. The fact you can dial three numbers and humans who specialise in protecting you will answer and respond would be a miracle to ancient humans.
Even the copious amounts of money we donate to the UN shows we've set a system that cares for those we don't care about.
Not to mention the effect of constant marketing, advertising, and propaganda on the populace.
The last bit is parody.
Well, all we do can cause a chain reaction that can affect someone else passively or directly in time, even if it does not at a given moment. To give an example, if you neighbour's house and garden is burning down and all between you is a single wooden fence, not calling for the firefighters or at least assisting in some way will result in higher chances of burning your own house down. So, apart from platonic care, we also care for others because we care for ourselves - it's a matter of foresight and the mythical, rare empathy
Agreed, and there ARE more obvious ethical decisions people make during shopping like choosing items that say not tested on animals.
When the choice is clear cut and doesn’t break the bank a lot of people do the right thing.
Also the old shopping cart example. Most people want to be considerate it’s just hard sometimes.
Didn't expect to see Asmon on your channel.
He's a decently smart guy, albeit a bit naive, being a millionaire streamer and all that.
I used to be a good person, but after 30yrs of mostly selfish useless friends/family and strangers that just try to squeeze all the juice out of you..
I used to be naive, but now i realize that most people arent "good" but neither are they particularly "bad", people are mostly grey.
Just watch how your own family turn against you during probate, there is no empathy or regard for others
People probably could pay if the Government didn't take half of their money already.
oh but its much more profitable to be an armchair doomer than an actual rebel.
@@thenightwatchman1598 The whole RUclips structure isn't really designed for movements, as if a movement is important it wouldn't gain traction outside of it's own niche. It could be quashed if some bribes exchanged hands too.
@@HadouGun to that i have 3 words to anyone who thinks my ideas are silly: try me bitch.
Between taxes, housing costs and food costs. Yeah it sucks.
people don't care because:
1. Other people also don't care, so why would you care about them
2. There are 8 billion people on the planet. Its tough to care about every single one of them. To you, the reader, i'm just a regular commenter passing by. You'll forget about me after reading and possibly replying to this comment.
3. People act in their own self interest (most of the time), so its obvious they care more about themselves than others. For the sake of convenience, they'll throw out moral values in order to "ensure survival".
Caring when others don't is called integrity.
@@IgnoreMeImWrong Battlefields are full of dead fools who had integrity
@@IgnoreMeImWrongIs that a food?
Is what a food?@@nobodyspecial1553
Its interesting. Some things, like moral issues, people prefer to better themselves financially. But some things, like relationships, if you pay a woman for sex, she doesnt genuinely love you. If you go on a date however, and pay for the meals or whatever, she sleeps with you. Its a weird conundrum where if you remove money by a factor of 1, things change. Thats whats happening here.
reminds me of a joke. A young girl asks her mom "what's bj" mom says "two dinner dates and a pair of ear rings"
It is about pretending to not be what it is. "I want to be X but I don't want to feel I am X."
It all comes down to others.
Can you elaborate
That Asmongold coldness is the same “lack of compassion” people around me describe. It’s just a matter of separating the realz from the feelz.
A big problem is the obscurity of it.
I remember when I started eating organic, a co worker mentioned some companies just take regular food and label it organic. So why would you pay more for the same stuff?
I replied with what percent do that, let's say 30%, so now it's just a cost to eat organic that 30% isn't but 70 % is. At least 70% is. I have really bad allergies and they improved to the point of being non existent when I consistently eat organic.
I feel the same with avoiding exploitation: it's very difficult to know, and sometimes you're paying more for the same problem.
Buying local is one way of doing many things right simultaneously
Do we all collectively filled in an online survey recently on that topic? Just curious - real question.
@@dwsel yes, we do filled in an online survey on most topics. imma call you whiskers, you currrrious cat you.
@@uhnborhn5032 Ugh, don't know what kind of answer was I expecting. I hope you at least enjoyed your time well spent. Still have a nice weekend to you.
@@dwsel peace be upon you, my furry friend
Asmon is also HUGE feminist for anyone who cares.
Wow asmond is a basic supporter that women are humans like men not the ultra man hating feminist
most people are. say a chick shouldnt be allowed in school. even mgtows might turn against you.
@@summerwinter89 the “hurdurr muh trad strongman women strip their muh rights so they can kick it at home” are actually the biggest whiteknight mangina feminists of them all.
This video hits home after finding out the disturbing history of chocolate recently. Because I believe a majority of people have the close-minded view of “If it doesn’t happen to me, it mustn’t happen at all” and nonchalantly sweep certain issues under the rug until it somehow effects them or someone they know. Also, don’t forget about the whole "separating the art from the artist" approach to an extent regarding this as well.
As an online artist myself, I HATE when other artists try to make moralistic arguments against A.I. It's like, MF your computer was made by child-labor. Get over yourself. Not to mention, have you interacted with your typical online artist? Jesus Christ, if you haven't I genuinely envy you...
So insane how much those artists rather complain than do art. Like twitter stuffed with these nuts, crazy when they’re surprised most people don’t want to hear their opinions.
Honestly hope Ai art gets better so people can be one man teams than work with toxic artists forcing views on people/openly hating on their fan.
As a programmer I'm honestly mostly opposed to AI. I don't think AI will replace programmers any time soon. But it will help with all the stupid little things that cost a lot of time. Why is that a bad thing? Well, for me it is, because I had no problem with these. Means I lose quite a bit of my competitive edge. Otoh I don't think untalented people will be great beneficiaries - smart people will just figure out how to be 10 times more effective with AI.
I guess in some way this is the "I'm too old for this" argument. Well, it is what it is. In the end I think we are moving too fast already. The next rat race begins.
do lots of ai work myself and ive actually seen a few artists learning from ai, its just another tool they can use to help improve, hopefully artists can get around to working with ai instead of fighting it
As an artist you can also totally capitalize on A.I. with your own production and improve on your own ability to provide to those who like your stuff.
Many people already push out rough prompts with generation to perfect afterwards with their manual skills.
Yeah those with great genetics with Ai will end the top 1% and become 0.1%. Look at average person with ai isn’t going really become magically more better at creating something entertaining. Which is going to make those amazing people stick out way more.
Like how top athletes are freaks of nature, so will these naturally gifted people rise with Ai and use it like the tool it is. Going to be insane for average skill person to ever compete in future with someone who can use Ai to the fullest.
I genuinely believe that human selfishness and apathy will be the death of us all. And despite the fact that I am guilty of it as well, I’m not proud of myself. But some people are.
Don't worry everyone will care when they become poor.
It will be really funny as well.
💯💯💯
Well, pride is arguably worst of the 7 deadly sins, so I'd say you're doing just fine.
This whole line of thinking is bullshit. Companies will produce at the lowest possible price and sell at the highest the market will bear. They throw out this nonsense in order to be able to sell higher, and thus profit more.
We all suffer, some not as severe as others. That's why it is important to build friendships and families because it's all suffering under the same sky. You may never get another chance to hear their stories. Sometimes, that's all people ask. To be aware, instead of choosing to be neglectful.
Well said
Well someone summed it up:
Existence is pointless. We exist just to know that existence is terrible and then strive to get back to non existence. Dont pick this is up the wrong way, non existence is just synonym for a harmonic state.
Atleast if this is all there is to it, but Good Riddance to this clownworld for sure.
I disagree. Existence isn't pointless. But rather, existence is open ended for every single human. There is no set "point". You MAKE the point on your own.
That's a healthy view on like. Some of us have an obvious path in life while others have to make their own. @@yohobin
It's a hellish race to the bottom, for no real reason except survival. The irony.
An interesting hypothetical is: "would life in the Congo improve if all of those minerals were simply to disappear, leaving that industry no longer there to exploit people?" Almost all the evidence we have suggests that no in fact things would likely get worse. This shouldn't be seen as a justification of what goes on, nor does it absolve people in the west from profiting off of it. But it does highlight the difficulty of directly helping those affected. Even if you could indeed boycott those products, the evidence suggest that too would be selfish on your part; you're more or less trying to assuage your guilt, while not actually helping the people being exploited. I very much DO care what happens to these people and think it's abhorrent. But I not only can't stop it, it's impossible for an American in 2024 to not contribute to it in some way.
You should read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".
Africa is a shithole because of the people that live there. Even if western corporations weren't exploiting Africa, it would still be a shithole.
Tbh it probably would in the long term. I'm from Guyana and before oil the country was extremely poor, one of the poorest in the western hemisphere, but still miles ahead of most third world countries. Before the discovery of oil there was virtually no natural resources worth exploiting, but life was not that bad comparatively. There was no reason for corpos or western governments to mess with the place. If they never had the lithium to begin all the civil wars that btw westerners had a hand in its not solely the fault of the people in the congo, would never have happened.
I wouldn’t mind if _everyone_ ditched their phones and PCs due to moral reasons. The only reason I want a Phone/PC is because everyone else uses it and I would be at a massive disadvantage if I didn’t have those things.
When people say just go out and talk to people in person I think how when everyone else is on their phone? Makes no sense.
You can't even get a job without a phone and PC. To abandon these devices is to risk becoming homeless. I believe being homeless and abandoning modern society is the only real alternative since society is not likely to willingly regress back to less technology. Many of us were unaware growing up, but we still all contributed. We are all sinners.
@@colin1657 Butlerian Jihad
I would rather most everything be made in the USA. Yes, higher price, but also more jobs. Would be one of the parts of fixing our economy. Fixed economy would hopefully have the knock-on effect of prices coming into the correct range.
That's exactly what's happening to "us" as we continue to outsource our jobs to other countries. There's a slow degredation of job security in the US as lower cost suppliers are used outside the US.
Asmongold got paid to promote a scam charity and won't take accountability for stealing from his fans.
May be truth, but it doesn’t make his point on this matter any less true. One doesn’t have to be a completely righteous individual to make a truthful statement, or observation. Suggesting that that isn’t the case when we’re not discussing a person’s transgressions, is a common fallacy used to avoid the topic under discussion.
Alternative options aren't really presented to us in any meaningful way. People might actually surprise you if they were. Not everybody. But a lot more might step up than the doubters like to admit.
People dont care about the suffering of others, but they care deeply about being perceived as someone who cares about the suffering of others, in case they are themselves in need of help at some point.
Women
This is EXACTLY why I'm more and more a minimalist
the next progression from minimalism is antinatalism
There’s being aware of the reality and taking steps to change it and there’s being aware of reality and choosing to not care about it. Asmongold is aware but doesn’t care about changing it. If we as a society held companies accountable for their actions things would change, but we don’t. Those of us who do care don’t exist in great enough numbers to affect anything meaningful. So I guess what I’m saying is.. I’ll buy this gpu and feel like a piece of shit for doing it while asmongold will buy the gpu and feel just fine.
Lol true
Just watched Asmon react to this video and came over to subscribe as soon as your video was over. Great video.
I care about myself, my family, my people and thats about it. This concept of a universal humanity might be great for the internet age but to me it is a falsehood and alien.
Because most people hear the word "Tribalist" and they feel they have to surpass that to be a good person.
Universal Humanity is toxic.
Every one get some abuse at work at life in general . That abuse drives people to become cold some dont care from the get go . Sadly those who still care get abused by those who dont yet another reason saying " no good deed gets unpunished" exist.
Yes. We are slowly and consistently trained over time to not care. If you are stubborn, and continue to care anyway, you'll be destroyed.
@@genestone4951 yup. Then masses cry why people dont care for agendas and shit.
I often click on videos with titles like "What AI can't do that artists can!" hoping for something insightful or interesting. But every time, it's just a roundabout, flowery way of saying that AI art lacks the human touch. The cope is strong.
It lacks origination. It's like seeing words and images in alphabet spaghettios. Regurgitating junk humans already made. It's throw up. You see, art had already taken a massive nosedive in the 20th century... didnt take much more tech to completely junk food it. AI writing and images are high fructose corn syrup
Give It 5 years, it'll blow your mind
imo, digital "art" is not art. That solves the problem. I don't even consider film photography to be art, though I used to. I fully realize this is highly arguable. For instance, is what Andy Warhol used to do (photo silkscreen, and manufactured art, symbolized by repetition) art? The art world sure thinks so. But then where's the boundary?
@genestone4951 I agree. The boundary is raw media, hand made, no printers. Sure, graphic artists exist, but they also employ an arsenal of software that grants immunity from error and anonymity from actual construction. Furthermore, art isn't subjective. It's scrutinized by THE Elements and Principles of Design ie Balance, Depth, Contrast, Value, Directional Movement, Color etc... so if we actually apply that basis of standard, the works of Picasso, Pollock and others FAIL miserably. The fact is, much of what is called "art" today is anything other than art, especially anything that could be called GOOD art.
The painting Nighthawks by Hopper is a wonderful example of REAL, GOOD Art. An example of fake art is anything made by art software and them dumped out of a printer. The "artist" is incapable of actually making a real oil on canvas painting. This was already a major problem 15 years ago, but now you have people who couldn't even draw a stick figure, using fancy "AI" software, and they think they're artists and want the rights to the trash a computer made. It's ridiculous
Assmongler
Z0Gmongler too
People literally can't care about what happens to strangers. You would go insane if you did, which is no small part of why most people who virtue signal come off as lunatics. They're most likely just pretending to care for clout, which people can detect, but some actually do care at least a little bit, and those people become completely deranged.
Asmongold is just another nihilistic consumer. I really can't stand the guy and nothing he has to say is "smart" or profound beyond a surface level.
I coudn't agree more.
He has a first mover effect and relatability to a lot of Americans who grew up during the MMO era, that's his positives. The rest I find negative and the only reason I'm critical of him is because how large he is, perhaps others were more deserving of attention wealth etc. not just me but others at my level who have put a lot of time & effort in.
@@Bawkr He's just another clickbait youtuber who runs off of stupid e-drama while watching/reviewing other people's content. His takes on things are really shallow and I watched enough of his stuff to understand his whole shtick and now I have him blocked.
@@Nuttymike You mis-understand him & don't know his origin or at-least from what you have told me this far, you aren't telling me anything that I don't know, just saying. He was a MMO gamer back in the late beige PC era when DSL and T1-T3 became a thing, when computers started to become black & more stylish but there we're still a lot of beige ones. He made YT guide tutorial videos for years, I even followed one of his WoD ones when he was just starting to gain traction, what he has become wasn't what he always was & it doesn't sound like that you know based on your response to my comment.
@@Bawkr I played wow, but I haven't touched it since legion. I'm familiar with him, but I never cared for these e-personalities, and I don't need to go through the entire lore and backstory of this dweeb on how he became just another nihilistic youtuber farming for clicks who mostly uses other people's content.
I don't like these "Would you rather...?" hypotheticals designed to make people pick the lesser two evils. I usually say "f*ck both of those choices and FIX THE REAL PROBLEM". That is what I would rather.
It’s not caring until happens to you
Do you know what I did when I was working like a slave at amazon? I quit.
Do you know what will happen if people stopped buying non-ethically sourced products? They'd force millions out of a job, of which likely the majority will starve.
Since I first heard this argument (not from asmongold, that goes way way back) I never really understood why the consumer has to get all the blame. Sure, I am keeping an evil company running by buying these cheap pants, but how did said evil company manage to spring up in the first place? Most likely government corruption.
Alrighty then, lets pretend you and i along with most people buy expensive pants from only ethical companies, can you guess what will happen to these companies once the product becomes too expensive to make, or the price of the product goes down due to demand and supply? Yes, they'll engage in the same practices that the evil companies engaged in. This happens all the time. Think cocacola, disney, nestle, etc.
We accomplish nothing because the underlying problem is NOT the consumer. The problem is simply human nature. Either way, the employee along with the government is also at fault, more so i'd argue, but we want to just dump everything on people that just want to get by... bruh.
I use arch btw
This indifference that we see in humanity today is destroying society.
We are punished for caring about others. It's one thing if is no reward, but when the person you helped becomes an active threat to your life and livelihood, indifference is required for survival.
Are you going to help a woman when her car breaks down on the side of the road, knowing there is a good chance you will end up behind bars for a fake crime?
Are you going to help an abused child, knowing that your interaction may be used to send you to prison or make you a debt slave?
Are you going to invite someone off the street into your home, when they may end up hurting you, your family, or even using the law to take your home from you?
The decay of society is the reason for the lack of compassion, not the other way around.
@@nicholasrandall3507 I would largely agree. Unless it was a close friend or family member it was a "no good deed goes unpunished" situation. For me personally, I don't mind specifically if society is spiteful and cruel per se, but I am bothered by the candy coating of compassion that is being used to cover it up. Recently I got burned so hard by people that were supposed to be the most compassionate, that I will not be doing any special favors for people in the near future. In 10 years i'll check again to see where we are.
@@erikbussell1852 Not to mention people fake the need for help and will either at best profit of of you or at worst straight up kill you like Ted Bundy. Frankly the last one isn't common but you get the point. Humanity cant be trusted period, until we get to a certain point where things start moving for the better, if at all, it will take massive amounts of blood sweet and tears for all of humanity.
@@CRM-114 Real life. You from one of those parallel universes?
@@CRM-114 Ah. So you're just sheltered. Got it.
Life sucks and it will likely not get better.
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@@Satanic-Danwhat a horrible thumbnail that is. 🤢
sadly true, none of us are saviors
@@SpiKSpaN-ei6zq how so?
These are the days you will remember as the good old days few years from now,try to enjoy as much as you can because i dont think it will last for much longer as the entire system already collapsed,this is just overtime
"Out of sight, out of mind"
If it's not right in front of me and affecting me or the ones I love directly, I couldn't give a sh*t...
It's baffling that people think strangers should care about them.
Not just think, they demand that strangers should care about them.
"The dude who has cockroaches crawling over him is right." Right....
Post another clickbait title.
My dad died while overseas and I kept on working instead of staying at home. Part of it was that none of the services that I need to use are closed, so I have to work on it after I left the job for the day.
Who are these people and where do they come from and why does it seem that they just pop up out of nowhere? One day Jordan Peterson didn't exist, then the next he did. One day Andrew Tate didn't exist, then all of a sudden not only does he exist, he has a brother, was on TV a long time ago, an entire history manufactured by...who? Asmongold, Sam Sulek, Grant Cardone, The Wilf of Wormstrasse, Hasan Piker, Neon....what is generating these people out of thin air complete with their own elaborate histories and back stories?
Um, youre being solipsistic
@@drivethruabortion280 Average liberal behavior tbh
I do fully agree. However, we still need to try and get people to be better. While we can't do anything about the infant laborers in the Congo, etc. We can still do something about the ones suffering in our own country.
If we just say, "Oh it's just human nature, we can't do anything about it, yeah I exploit them too, but at least I admit it", that, is not going to do anything for anyone. It just makes you and me, a different kind of evil, just not a hypocrite.
There's a reason the quote, "For evil to win, all good has to do is nothing" exists.
Going by this logic we wouldn't have people helping those in need within their community. If you can't even do that, then how can you expect to do anything for those who are thousands of miles away?
The world is a dark depressing place, but we still have the power to be a light in it and there are billions of us. Even if individually, our light may be dim, combined, we can be brighter than anything.
And, no this isn't some motivational poster bullshit.
Yes, humans are animals, we still have a lot of outdated brain function in us, because that's how evolution works. But, our brain is still an anomaly in the animal kingdom.
We have evolved in a way, that we can internalize these thoughts. We are able to have this discussion and many are even able to put it all into action, even if it's because of some self-serving gratification, good is good.
The key is conditioning as many people as possible, possibly from a young age, to be that way. Neuroplasticity can be used to create good and bad people. We just create more bad ones because of various reasons, convenience, greed, negligence and/or nihilistic mindset.
Fact is, there are those who would do good, if raised to be so.
Not talking about your general point, but lets be honest about Asmon here, he is just a loser that got extremely lucky making the laziest of contents. Ofc he can give a sound argument sometimes.
I haven't watched Asmongold ; but judging by this snippet of a clip, I think he and this video paints a gross oversimplification of the issue. Are most western consumers really purchasing the cheaply manufactured products of these metals due to a lack of caring about the abused and exploited populations in other places or is it simply because living paycheck to paycheck barely having enough for basic necessities (continued rise in $$ costs of housing, food, automobiles and rent); doesn't afford them any other alternatives. The truth in all likelihood, is that it's probably a mixed bag. These E-personality streamer types have the luxury of being able to contemplate these questions largely due to the circumstances of a high-income socio-economic status they've been allotted due to a combination of variables, most of which if we're being honest, had nothing to do with them. In other words, if we're using Maslow's Hierchy of Needs; people like Asmongold would be placed at the very top of the pyramid(self-actualization). It's going to be hard contemplating questions over grandeur moral dilemmas when you're commuting and working 60+ hours a week to just barely have enough to keep a roof over your head. I don't wanna speak on Europe, but this is the current state for most of the populous in the United States; either at the lower-middle or bottom of Maslow's Hierchy. I think it's almost impossible to say what people would or wouldn't purchase if they're never afforded the option for an alternative.
yep
@@gravelpit5680 In other words, the problem isn't the indifference of the majority, as much as it is a symptom. It's the amoral sociopathic greed of the elite class.
At this point democracy is as reliant on technocratic corporations as they are to democracy. If you think about it, the internet and it’s numb consumerist ecosystems might be the last fabric we share as “Americans”
Jefferson did not like slavery but kept over 200 of them. He said "Slavery is like holding a wolf by the ears, you don't like it but you do not dare let it go".
Slave Lives Matter
It's not just about our limited ability to care for strangers. It's also caused by uncertainty - there's some probability that us buying a product will hurt someone out there, but we don't know.
To give an example where it's not about caring about someone else, the same problem happens with cigarette smoking.
It's proven without any doubt that smoking is extremely harmful, but nobody can say whether you personally will get cancer. So many people keep smoking. Not because they don't care about themselves, but because cause and effect are uncertain.
Oh, we care, we just can't do shit about it. Not participating in this instance doesn't stop it from happening. I can not enslave someone myself, or not use AI to generate art myself, but nothing happens if I simply don't benefit. It still goes on.
The average westerner of the major countries has it pretty close to as poor as you can get. I just saw a german guy say they control how big a place a single person can rent, while muslim families are getting government provided housing.
@@Frogman1212 Lol way to perpetuate the lazy Muslim stereotype
Isn't Asmongold a game reviewer? He scrapes up what we all know and now it's profound? To paraphrase that rodent Ben Shapiro, capitalism doesn't care about your feelings.
People care about things but have different values. Stupidity, ignorance and corruption is the norm. As result there are tradeoffs. If your boss pays a weak wage. If the price of housing and other essentials is high. You really don't have a choice but to buy what you can afford. Your in no position to care if you have no good alternatives.
I think this is only half-true. You're not taking into consideration tribalism. Our "camp" would be the close family and friends, our "band" is Dunbar's number of friends/coworkers/etc., and our "tribe" is a symbolic group (traditionally around 1000-2000 people, but much larger these days) that enables large-scale cooperation and acts as a hedge against genetic stochasticity/"bad luck" genetic drift (Both Alison Brooks and David R. Samson have written about this in more depth than I could). Tribe could be religious, nationalist, an ethnolinguistic group, etc. but is typically based upon symbols of some sort.
People care about people they identify with, otherwise nobody would complain about these things in the first place. It's not so much "people don't care unless something affects them," it's "people don't care unless something affects them or theirs." For example, Asmongold doesn't play any of the Yakuza games, or watch Lovely Complex, but he identifies with gamers and anime fans in general, so to him, it becomes an important issue. In his video about woke translators in video games, he even suggests that people should stop buying those games. Contrast this with his views on AI art: Asmongold does not identify with artists, so to him it's a nonissue that only crazy people care about. However, I think it is possible to identify with larger groups of people than even that, even if it is uncommon. This seems to be the whole premise of organizations like Doctors Without Borders, where people may risk their lives to ensure that people in conflicts all over the world receive medical care. In essence, a "global tribe." Most people do not genuinely identify with this kind of global tribe, even if they idealistically think that they do.
This is part of why some "impersonal" boycotts are successful. For example, the 1791 sugar boycott in England was largely successful. It was led by the highly religious (e.g: tribal) Quakers who were protesting sugar made from slaves. None of the Quakers were personally impacted by slavery, and it's unlikely that any of them would be personally familiar with slaves on the other side of the world. However, the ethics/morals of the Quakers at that time were a strong tribal symbol for them, so by boycotting, you would be signalling your allegiance to the Quaker "tribe." Importantly, they pushed it into a nondenominational issue, to the extent that half a million people, most of which were not Quakers, were boycotting sugar made by slaves. They did this by framing it as an issue for British society, talking about the dangers of consumerism and "modern consumption." So then, instead of antislavery just being a Quaker tribal signal, it became a British tribal signal.
I hope this doesn't get buried! It's clear that you've researched your stuff, and I don't totally disagree with your conclusions, but I think that you're missing a very important piece of the human puzzle.
dont think you can put it on the consumer, we are already paying insane markups for no reason other than its accepted, theres no reason why things couldnt be done ethically without increasing the price to the consumer, they could probably lower the price, do everything ethically, and still make profit, just not maximised profit, it would be coming out of their very deep pockets
so its entirely down to the greed of a few, not the indifference of the many
This!!
Who? Don't care. Of no significance. Don't idealise people that just sit in front of cameras.
This is why I'll never be rich. It requires a certain kind of darkness and monstrous nature to become rich.
Also this whole topic was summed up best by Joseph Stalin: The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic.
And why not ask: why should we care about some holocaust or genocide if consumers get something out of it. Hell why do we think life holds any intrinsic value if the foundations of modernity is inhumane.
Maybe the real joke is believing there is such a thing as being good. Maybe everyone is no different to a serial killer. At least the serial killer is honest about his nature.
The idea that if you paid Amazon twice as much for the same service that that money would go to improving working conditions is false. Do you honestly believe that Amazon doesn't have enough money to provide good working conditions? Of course they do. The issue is that they will pay the lowest price that they can get away with paying their workers and they treat them as badly as they can get away with treating them. Just as consumers always look for the best value in the things they buy. This market capitalism at work. If you don't like the results then some socialist ideas need to be interjected. Bitching about consumer behavior is a dead end.
If wage inflation was corrected. Most these things wouldn’t matter. But big banks and corporations have destroyed wages.
To the point of abuse/human exploitation, it isn’t true to simply not buy the product. Corporations are in the INTEREST of bringing whatever product is in demand at the least cost. You have to FORCE them either with government regulation or tariffs or whatever to pay their supply chain and workers fairly, unfortunately.
Yes if they could they would enslave you as an American worker they don't care
Integrity is doing the right thing even when no one is looking. This is how I operate so when I do things for others, I don’t expect anything in return. This modus operandi is not mutually exclusive with not caring about others. I generally still do not care about anyone else except for a small few in my circle.
The problem is, humans are evolved to deal with issues on a communal scale, not a global one. Considering news about unimaginable suffering is always coming from somewhere, you both have no real power to change it and eventually have to simply learn to not care about the suffering of others if you want to live. It's even becoming increasingly normal for people to know far more about world affairs than local affairs. The normal mode for humans is to deal with problems as they appear around them.
This is why BLM pops up during an election year and then all of a sudden it’s magically ok again
I would also recommend MentisWave’s video on this topic “Basic Economics VS The Rationalization Hamster”. The idea of supply and demand is not hard for someone to understand, but it is hard for many to stop rationalizing their way out of the reality.
The reason people buy these isn't because they don't care, Most care and would rather pay the higher price as in the long term it is better for everyone. Problem is people care more about being ripped off while not making a difference. If they don't buy it they lose out while someone else buys it and no difference is made to the problem. It's a game theory problem and you have to make sure everyone is doing it or no one will be doing it. People will vote for something to become law but that doesn't mean they will assume it is law before then just because it should be.
I feel good that I refuse to consume more than I really need, and only "splurge" on a few luxury items that really are what interest me (e.g computers). That's about the extent to which we could reasonably ask people to conduct themselves, imo.
Callous to the indifference of MALE labor, get the framing right. People have no issue with males being exploited and being made to suffer, that's why people don't care.
I care about worker's conditions but it has cost me financially and time wise, significantly if added all together, because cheap products and services always come at the cost of human misery, and the overwhelming majority of people will not pay with their time or money for a vague notion of "making things better". It's why our earth is polluted possibly to the point of our own extinction, it's why every generation is stuck in a top down system of rule by tyrants no matter how pretty we make the medium of that power appear, it's why nothing gets better.
Having morals does make one a fool, because you aren't actually ever going to change anything by taking a stand and nobody but you will care about the sacrifices you make, but that doesn't mean having them is wrong.
Is that really morals though?
It goes beyond man-made products. For example, in this country alone, you have people proclaiming that they're all about American Indian rights. Isn't interesting, though, how those very same people are content to live on land that was stolen from those Indians, and would rigorously fight for that supposed right? I'm not politically correct, so if I've offended anyone by certain words or phrases that I've used in this post, go hug a teddy bear.
There is really only so much horror a human mind can process before it just stops bothering and carries on the business of surviving.
Desensitisation
This guy watches other people's drama for a living. His opinion on the human experience should be held in the same regard as a slug.
He just seems like another Destiny. A gamer that spouts the same superficial crap most younger content creators do.
The reason why I think people don't care is because we ultimately create our problems. Even if you removed someone from their issues they would only repeat the same patterns. Most of us won't try or even attempt to try to better our lives. We quit before we start.
I believe yeah in a way that’s life we create our own problems but sometimes we don’t create our problems look at how the housing prices have gone high is it gen zs fault they can’t get enough money to buy a house nope of course not the stereotype of living in you moms house doesn’t matter anymore because people are in the same situation if something impacts people all together best believe another revolution will happen
Everything is about money. It’s always the solution, the problem, and the bottom line and I hate it. Money is the root of all evil