Imagine a character whose father was a sword that was true polymorphed into a person who then started a family once the spells duration ended. Bonus points if their starting equipment includes the sword, and that they're on a quest to find their "missing father". Extra bonus points if you can find a way for the sword to scale with the character despite it being nonmagical at base; maybe implementing pathfinder-style weapon runes as modifications to the sword. Even more bonus points if the character finds out the truth and that the sword theyve been carrying through the whole adventure *is* their father, or what the father was before becoming polymorphed.
Regarding the comment you made at the end of the object to creature, about high level wizards acting like their gods. Kuo-toa are a race of Shadow Over Innsmouth people who have a range of CRs but none going above a 3, meaning they are very easy to make with this spell. They also have an ability where, if you get enough of them together to believe that something is a god, *it will become one,* and it is very easy to convince someone you're a god when you're making them out of lumps of clay.
@@tekbox7909 Oh, it will definitely twist things. The real question is if it will actually make X a god, or if it will make a god that looks like X and may even have the same name, but is separate, like a twisted mirror doppelganger with the powers of a god.
@@Coid I mean, that mirror would likely view you as an ally to his people, so if nothing else you probably just gained an actual minor god as a steadfast ally. And probably have access to the cleric spell list now at least
Best way to get around the dispelling thing (if you want it to be truly permanent) is the clone spell. It clones the creature in the form it is currently in. Then just off yourself to have your soul enter the clone.
P.s. you can also use the clone spell part to fix the potential no aging problem cause the clone body ages once active and you can choose the age of the clone .
My favorite true polymorph thing for wizard is a simulacrum turned ancient bronze dragon. It got all the perks: Nothing is quite as stylish as riding to battle on the back of your very own dragon. This dragon got a burrowing and flying speed, burrowing might be the single most powerful form of nonmagical movement, right next to flying. I presume the polymorph is "true" therefore, ageing occurs in the new form
But this would be HILLARIOUS. A person trapped in a tall tower. And then you have the knight errant that spies the person and goes to rescue them. It is tough because the whole castle and tower is under a antimagic field so all of their magical weapons aren't working. Even so the knight prevails, slaying every foul beast contained within. As soon as the knight carries that trapped person over the threshold they turn into a stick figure painting with a caption, "The princes is not in this castle."
Oh, regarding horrifying implications of wizards turning people into stuff, there was one episode of Harmon Quest (I think episode 6) where they meet a merchant with exactly 100 sandwiches and discover that said sandwiches were all polymorphed people.
Side note: I assume using a costly component that is consumed kills whoever was turned into that component. Have your lich occasionally go into town, turn a kid into a big ol' diamond and leave. Bam. Quest Hook.
One of my favorite spells on a BBEG. Had one archmage BBEG who never killed anyone, but would true polymorph a person he didn't like into a coin (copper, silver, electrum, gold, platinum... whatever he was feeling at the time). The coin would have the person's relief on one side and a bit of text in Draconic basically hinting something would happen if dispel magic was cast on the coin. His goal was never to kill anyone he didn't like directly but for that person to suddenly appear in a far-off random locale in the world with no idea how they got there, how to get home, or how long they had been "unconscious". Actually used that on a PC who ran off on their own during a cliffhanger session. The next session was the party's month of downtime trying to track down a very specific coin and the affected PC suddenly appearing in a bizarre on another continent, surrounded by angry guards, confused merchants, and a very excited wizard. The two groups then worked to reunite Homeward Bound style, with the party playing the NPCs helping the wayward PC get back home.
With all these shenanigans, there's an option that's way more fun than a simple dispel magic spell. Make an adventurer (or NPC) from a chair-into-humanoid true polymorph. After years of adventuring, and levelling up, the adventurer comes face to face (eye-to-eyes) with a dreaded foe: a beholder. Bam - instant chair - rest of the party (who haven't been let in on this particular background secret) are completely confused/terrified. Then the beholder looks elsewhere and - bam - their companion is now back, with no idea that they missed half a minute of sentient existence (from their perspective, the beholder apparently teleported or something).
@@aetherwolf9288 I love that anti-magic suppresses, rather than dispels, since it opens all kinds of really fun possibilities, including the whole True Polymorph world of wackiness.
@@bobertoakes1811 it depends on the interpretation of spell mechanics, but since there is two ways to do it for either interpretation, yes. its needs magic jar as well in the more complicated one. look up table top builds chronurgy wizard at the bottom they explain it.
One suggestion I saw was to polymorph your enemy into a block of platinum for free money... or start a snail farm and polymorph your snails into "Whatever's Expensive Today" to rake in ridiculous quantities of cash! One thing that occurred to me, though, was to combine it with Create Magen (7th level Wizard spell in Icewind Dale_ Rime of the Frostmaiden) Create Magen creates a loyal construct creature, CR1-3, at the cost of an equal number of point from your MAX HP. Unfortunately, they're mute and unskilled at anything bar their specific tasks... so True Polymorph them into your Humanoid of choice - they retain their previous mind (and thus unflappable loyalty to you) but can now speak and learn. Teach them tool or skill proficiencies that they can use even after / if they revert to Magen (which are immortal). Let them learn Classes so they can support you as full casters or master scouts or whatever. I wonder what would happen if you True Polymorphed an item into a Magen, though? Their unbreakable loyalty is a racial trait... so would it perhaps not wear off after the hour is up? I also really like the image of the party mage detecting active transmutation magic in their target's lair and wasting a Dispel Magic on it to even the fight... only to create more enemies instead! If the caster is clever enough, they don't need to dispel the magic themselves, they can trick their enemies into wasting spell slots on it.
I'm now imagining a group of high-level casters who are trying to figure out how to be immortal, weather that be through lichdom or not, up to DM. Thing is, the have a top security vault in their base of operations full of just random objects. These are actually all the past members stored away until they come up with a solution.
One of the few spells to make the transition to 5th ed and retain its scope and potency. True Polymorph opens the world to all sorts of shenanigans starting with the ones you mentioned, the ones in the comments, and more! Plenty of potential for DM use both as a villain spell for quest hooks. Can't be less than 10/10 - the best part is exploring all the interactions and questions it raises
Uses true polymorph to turn yourself and your party into golden dragons, than use the metamorphosis ability to turn yourselfs into humanoids again. The most broken spell of the game.
True polymorph really shines when combined with clone. Maintain concentration on the new form and it becomes you until dispelled which means you can use it to create a clone. The clone however ISN'T under the effect of polymorph and still has that form. What's more, you can create MULTIPLE clones of yourself with each one being a different species. Rules as written, each one would still be linked to your soul and would be work as a new vessel on death.
4:25 Homebrew, but when used on a willing creature, I'd allow an option of _permanent_ permanent transformation, as in, truly becoming a different creature, as the name suggests. This is because if someone wants it, this spell is the closest option in the game, and it's already 9th level, so why limit it. With this option chosen, after the transformation becomes permanent, it doesn't end at 0 hit points, and it can't be dispelled. Creature can't benefit from turning back into its normal form with full hp, but can be healed when at 0 hp in transformed form, as per normal rules. Not sure if it returns to original form (but dead) when killed, as it will be in line and very much in theme with all other shape changing magic. 14:18 Petrified, just as Unconscious, specifies that the creature is _unaware of its surroundings_ so atleast it can't have memories about that. Whether it is aware of itself is not specified, and up in the air (probably because its hardly relevant and hard to define in system terms). Unconscious covers things such as clinical death, or mere sleeping, by common sense one has no awareness, other can have dreams and such (the game even allows magical communication with a sleeping creature). So i'd guess that awareness of time passing while petrified may depend on the source of the condition. I wouldn't want to be targeted by the "i have no mouth.." kind. 18:50 Creatures with Truesight (or you can use the spell from two episodes from now) can see original forms of transformed things.
3:00 I'd say that the original form is unaffected by time. This is primarily to prevent it from dying of thirst within a week. One thing though. You change into an average member of such species. This means that you lose your spellcasting modifier and you lose you ability to cast entirely if you were a Sorcerer or Warlock (since for those, the spellcasting was tied to the body). 6:54 No. Tiamat isn't a species, but a specific entity. Similarly, you couldn't change yourself to a different specific person. But you could change Tiamat into a Tarrasque, if Tarrasque is a species. 10:20 I'd say the Wyrmlings do grow up, but they can still be dispelled. In regards to size, as a GM, I'd limit it to equal size to the original creature. I don't want anybody to go around turning flies into 15ft cubes of adamantine.
@@Zaktact And you can then use the dragon's ability to take on humanoid form to raid different humanoid statblocks' innate spellcasting for some utility spells.
Does the setting in which you are casting True Polymorph have Psychometry? "the ability to discover facts about an event or person by touching inanimate objects associated with them." Would that be memories?
We got another long one. And as usual: 10/10 with these. Where do we even start with this one?! Maybe with the framing? Definitely with the framing. Also you notice that I talk about problems and interactions. In the end I address the problems and say my solution. For the interactions: They explain how this spell works combo wise (at least as far as I understand, please correct me if Im wrong). Bard, Warlocks, Wizards and Arcana Domain Clerics get this spell. 30 ft so it is in range of counterspell and as such an utility spell. It has concentration up to one hour, after which it becomes an until dispelled spell, so we need to look at the 1 hour window and the permanent version of the spell. It targets any creature or none magical objects. First problem: Undead creatures can come back to life. First interaction: You can’t hide magical objects with this spell directly. Nystl magical aura doesn’t change that as it only aperes as none magical. It still is. The object cannot be worn or carried. That prevents a lot of fun but isn’t as important. For the concentration version (I call it from now on CV) this spell ends if you lose concentration, or the target drops to 0 HP. For the permanent version (PV) the endclause changes to until dispelled. Second Problem: If you turn someone into an object and then shatter it after it becomes permanent and you dispel only one part: What happens? RAW the creature returns to normal. But the other pieces are still around and can be dispelled. So this is an easy way to clone someone. Second interaction: You cant create multiple traps that when broken they release monsters. This only works with the CV and even then there is a magic item (mirror of live trapping). This spell has no effect on shapechangers. To determine if something is a shapechanger we have tags. So out of 3071 creatures only 43 are immune to this spell. Funnily enough there are creatures with the shapechanger trait but not the tag (that includes dragons somehow). Third problem: If you turn yourself into one of those creatures this spell wouldn’t work. Your now in a loop between your normal form and your transformed self. Unwilling creatures can make a WIS- Save against the spell. So you can use it as a Save or Suck spell. But it should be a last resort as it isn’t a combat spell (even though it is an action to cast). Creature into Creature: Transform a creature into another creature of a lvl or CR equal or less than its own lvl/CR. Tough luck memorizing each and every creature you can turn into. Fourth problem: It doesn’t specify how you learn those new forms. So RAW the Dm needs to hand you out all of the homebrew monster they made and every creature across the editions of DnD should be fine to play as long as you play with dream of the blue valley(and as such with the multiverse) also each homebrew monster you find would technically be viable. Fourth interaction: You can transform into named creatures. This combines to an unholy amount of possibilities. Like for example transforming into a character you had prior in this campaign or even another campaign. You can also change the spirits you can call into other spirits (as unknown is still a CR). So you can send a devil to the upper planes. The gamestatistics are replaced by those of the new creature except personality and alignment. So you gain spellcasting and initiate casting. You also recover spell slots and HP, Hit dice and everything. You also gain the equipment of the creature which also counts towards the condition to dispel it. Fifth Problem: What happens if the statistics of a named creature changes? So what if the party give Bael (CR 19 named Devil) a ring of three wishes and polymorph into him. RAW the Rings are now duped until the party drops concentration. This spell follows then the rules for polymorph when the creature is reduced to 0 HP. So until it becomes the PV the creature returns to its normal form. If it is the PV the spell tries to revert it back but fails. So you can trap yourself in your own polymorph if you aren’t careful. So you don’t cast this spell if you are alone. The targets gear melds into its new form. So you can hide magical objects by carrying them. Mainly good for combat scenarios where you need to hide stuff (still this isn’t a combat spell). This option is the weakest of them all and still easily 10/10. Its main power comes from its bad wording and needs to be addressed later. The CV is usually better than the PV in this case. Object into creature: Any kind of object can be turned into any creature as long as the creature isn’t larger than the object and CR 9 or lower. So you can’t create creatures with lvl. Sixth Interaction: This spell doesn’t specify the size category only the size in general. So you can dodge the spell by changing your hight. It also doesn’t talk about volume so a stick of 20 ft can be turned into a young blue/silver dragon. The creature is friendly to you and your companions. So you can summon demons. It acts on your turn. So it shares your initiative. So you can’t use act while you are surprised. Also if you aren’t in combat it doesn’t act at all so you can’t order it to protect a place. You decide what actions it takes. So you have total control over it without any cost. The PV acts independently from you (is free). Still it can remain friendly if you treat it well. So you can have a friendly devil. I wonder if that is how the first tieflings where born? This option allows for all kinds of weird interactions but has still a lot to over. It has the same fourth problem as the first option but overall I like this one. The PV is probably better than the CV. Creature into object: The transformed creatures gear transforms alongside with the creature. This is an upgraded form of the creature to creature option provides. The object can’t exceed the size of the creature. Same different between size and size category. The creature statistic become those of the object. So no paladin in a jar for you sadly. Seventh interaction: The object can be made out of multiple materials and can be used as material components for spells. The creature has no memory spent in this state. This means no sense of time. Eighth interaction: By turning someone into a written book describing their life you created literally a time capsule. This option is the best. It solves all your gold problems and material components with a price tag. The PV is 100% of the time the better option. Ninth interaction: What happens if you layer this spell? So first you transform someone into an object. And then this object into a humanoid. Two spells with the same name can’t effect a creature at the same time. So the caster with the higher lvl or the spell that was casted prior is suppressed. In theory you can layer indefinite numbers of true polymorphs. If you then circumvent this spell dispelling via clone you can obtain infinite HP (as each time you die the next layer of true polymorph becomes active again). We now know the potential of the spell. But now how do we address the problems? 1st Problem: Turning living things into ghosts and vise versa can mess with a lot of things. So the options are either to deny something living to turn into the other thing but I don’t like this. However I don’t see any other solution (if you do please leave suggestions). 2nd problem: Simply require that the original object needs to be intact (you can use identify if the object is intact, locate object to find the other parts and fabricate to recover the object). 3rd problem: Either block them from turning into shapechangers or give the new form a new name (this works because the spell targets and affects your name not the new creature). 4th problem: Just use the druids wildshape rules. 5th problem: Separate gear and statistics. You now have a naked Beal but no duped ring of three wishes. This was a good analysis. Thank you for reading this hole thing. For feedback or question I happily see you in the comments. Have a nice day AEther
"Second Problem: If you turn someone into an object and then shatter it after it becomes permanent and you dispel only one part: What happens? RAW the creature returns to normal. But the other pieces are still around and can be dispelled. So this is an easy way to clone someone." I have to disagree with you. If you have a chair and you bust it apart you no longer have a chair. You have pieces of a chair. Or if you change a creature in to a Golden Statue then proceed to melt the gold and then mint coins. You no longer have a statue you have many coins. "Dispel Magic Range 120 feet" "Choose one creature, object, or magical effect within range. Any spell of 3rd level or lower on the target ends." You would be dispelling the magical effect of the 9th level spell so it would effect every thing effected by that spell. Since you no longer have a statue but coins; each and every coin that is 120 feet from you would revert back to its original form. A coin is one small piece of a massive statue therefor you would have coins tuning back into chunks of the original creature. If all the coins from the statue are with in the 120 foot area then you would have a complete creature albeit in as many chunks as there were coins derived from the statue. Now if you have creature turned into a gold statue and a different creature turned into a silver statue, then you melted both statues to make one Electrum statue and you dispelled you would choose one effect. Which ever creature would be separated from the Electrum statue and be reverted back to their original form leaving just one metal in lump form because both were molded in to one form.
@@targetdreamer257 Dispel magic: Choose a magical phenomenon within range. Any effects on the target ends. So if you only have a coin you only dispel the coin not the hole statue. So the electrum statue would be the target and as such you created an amalgamation of the two creatures.
Even True Polymorphed into a Dragon, as long as you picked one that can take on human form, there is access to Dispel Magic through the Innate Spellcasting of Drow Matron Mothers, Drow Inquisitors, Inquisitors of the Sword, Inquisitors of the Mind Fire, or Counterflux Blastseekers.
A way to avoid the dispel on whatever from you turn into, you can go find the creature you want to turn into use True Polymorph on it turn it into some kind of humanoid; Then cast soul jar take over its body end concentration on True polymorph and you are now permanently that thing unless someone finds the soul jar.
If you had an undead creature bound to obey your commands through the necromancer ability "Command Undead" and you cast "True Polymorph" on them would that cancel the effects of CU if the new form is not undead? Example you capture a Dracolich and then cast TP and change them into a mastiff, horse, or even a bodyguard so that they blend in with society better and your not walking through town with a Dracolich in tow. Would they no longer be under your control since they are not an undead creature or would they still be under your control because the spell doesn't change alignment? I was thinking of changing them into a mastiff and then if their true form is needed for an encounter I just Dispel Magic on TP which wouldn't affect CU because CU isn't a spell and it states that they are under your control until you use CU again.
That goes into the same vein of questioning as whether a Simulacrum's loyalty would remain intact after True Polymorphing them into another form. I would be inclined to say yes, as you're still in control of the creature underneath the True Polymorph, they're just indefinitely in another form. On the other hand, if they have an Intelligence of 12 or higher and can repeat their saving throw every hour, then it would be difficult to reassert Command Undead control over them while not in undead form, so I'd stick to lower Intelligence forms. (Although whether the Intelligence of the form while TP'd into a non-undead is relevant would itself be yet another question.)
Sorta goes in the opposite direction from the question of whether True Polymorphing an object into a Golem and making it permanent will lead to the golem being under your control as its creator.
Can you turn a creature into a magic item? It never stipulates the creature needs to be turned into a nonmagical object. Can you make up the magic item's effects if so? Can you become a dragon cr 20 lair to gain cr transform into a hire-level dragon rince and repeat until you reach far hire cr monsters? What if a person is turned into an object and is dispelled centuries later.
Algorithm comment Epic spell Cant watch it all now but yeye epic Are all druids immune because they can shape change with wild shape or does the statblock have to say "shapechanger"?
This a plot i used once. Warlock breaks pact with patron. Patron sends underlings to murder the warlock. Warlock uses true polymorph and creates kittens. It's a whole lot of kitties. If the party isn't careful. They also become kittens.
So. My interpretation of this spell is that whatever creature you turn into you assume that statblock you lose your older stuff (spells abilities) only the creature. So for example even if you turn your fighter into a gold dragon. They can't use their fighter abilities (even if they turn into a humanoid using the gold dragon ability)
Could a Lich true polymoph themselves into a living person? Then, if they die in that form would their phylactory regenerate them automatically or would someone have to cast dispel on the corpse?
To the first question: Yes it is possible. To the second question: It depends, but in general it would regenerate him (as the phylactory is bound to the soul and your soul doesn’t change via this spell)
OK on the "can you choose their age " thing with this type of spell. I would say yes. As baby dragon get lower CR than adult dragons. So that mean you can be any creature at any age. Which is more of a down grade for t PC used But NPC targets it a crippler. I would add a roll to do that. I need to make a chart for that. world building wise this is scary. This mean you could have a group of people that just turning people into monster for parts Even worst you could have an evil unicorn. Good demons. On the immortal thing with this spell Yes. But this is where the Inevitable come into play. The Marut Inevitable to be dead on the nose. You got to watch how you cheat death in D&D.
Here's a thought. What if a high level wizard managed to turn an incredibly powerful monster into an onject, then underwent the process of lichdom, turning that object into a phylactery. Maybe adventurers find the phylactery and attempt to destroy it, only to release the powerful creature from it's polymorphed state. Or maybe the powerful creature is a loyal servant of the Lich, and after creating the phylactery the Lich dispels True Polymorph and the creature returns to its natural state, but remains a living phylactery of the Lich. What if a player character's backstory involves them having been captured and turned into a Lich's phylactery using this method, but the phylactery was found and purposefully or accidentally dispelled, and now the Lich is sending it's minions to "recover" the PC. Lots of story-hook possibilities with this spell. I mean, just imagine an adventuring party threatening a Lich with the destruction of it's phylactery, only for the Lich to inform them that destroying the phylactery would release the TARRASQUE that it had True Polymorphed. Even if the Tarrasque would no longer function as the Lich's phylactery, that's still some serious leverage. "Sure, destroying the phylactery would kill me, but it would also release a doom upon the lands far greater than that which I bring. Are you foolish enough to think that you can best it? Are you even willing to make that choice? Or... do you simply despise me so much that you're willing to destroy everything to see me fall?"
So basically you use this spell to be Harry Potter? That is a creative use I would say! Edit: I also checked if the phylactery needs to be none living. It doesn’t have to be!
Comboline: Cast simulacrum Cast Magic Jar Give Jar to simulacrum Have the simulacrum inhabit the tarrasque. True polymorph the tarrasque into tiamat. Now you have a pet tiamat.
Hold the dang phone - that bit about turning people into ghosts and you didn't even mention that the opposite is equally possible, free revives with no time limit (though the person or thing you're reviving needs to be pretty low level or CR to work, maybe if you want info off of someone just polymorph their ghost into a commoner?) Hell the spell works on objects, courpses are objects, so if your favorite pet T-rex dies just polymorph its body into a T-rex and you're golden
You turn into a creature. This creature follows the flow of time. So they age. Another argument is that you can turn into a young or adult dragon of the same kind. So CR is influenced by age and as such time.
Related question, does an antimagic field disrupt a permanent polymorph? How about Disjunction? Cos if antimagic field works then I've got a terrifying idea for a BBEG encounter
Yes, if a true polymorphed Object-Creature enters an antimagic field it reverts but only for as long as it is in there ,outside of it it goes back to its polymorphed form. Disjunction I am not sure since that is not a thing in 5e.
I did not know this spell was a thing... I'm glad I usually play changelings so I'm immune to it lol. As for the age thing, I don't think the age of the initial target matters. If you polymorph a bolder into a dire wolf, that bolder could be millions of years old. Congrats, you just turned a bolder into a dusty wolf corpse lol.
True Polymorph the BBEG into a creature with a seriously short lifespan and force them to die of old age. Then even True Resurrection can't bring them back.
So quicklings have a lifespan of around 15 years. With planar binding you can loop them so they need to serve you before they die. Is this good enough for your purposes?
@@Coid thats true but over 7 years its still very expensive. But lets say turn the bbeg into a rat and than awaken the rat. This should also work as far as Im concerned
Even better: Cast simulacrum Cast Magic Jar Give Jar to simulacrum Have the simulacrum inhabit the tarrasque. True polymorph the tarrasque into tiamat. Now you have a pet tiamat. You turned the apocalypse into a working force.
FYI, a young Silver ( or Blue) Dragon, is CR9. Do what you will with this information. Also, Adult Gold Dragon is CR17, and lets you shapechange back into your original form. Also, also, turn them into a Mayfly, and have them die of old age.
Now all I have to say is that if you become a metallic dragon and you shapechange into a human, are you still with all your class abilities and spells and stuff. The thing about dispels is that to guarantee it in combat you need a ninth level dispel.
This spell could also be used to turn an object into an object: first turn an object into a creature, and then turn that creature into an object the next day. Could potentially be a great way to (literally) make some money!
Never run out of ruby dust or diamond dust again after making a Brontosaurus out of the side of a mountain and then turning that into a big ol' mess of gemstone.
On the Creature into objects and it not being the same size. Could you in theory make a castle with walls of gold and floors of powdered diamond dust for example? If yes to the first or even at any amount would you be able to use these for spell components? I know the Creation spell explicitly says no for that spell but True Polymorph.....?
If it doesn't forbid use as spell components, then, yeah, it should be usable as spell components. I don't recall a general rule disallowing components that were magically generated, anyway.
Creature to object, like a bag of gold. Now I distribute the gold. Many years go by it has been in circulation all over the kingdom. One person realizes there is magic in the coin and casts dispell.... What happens?
I don't think it could be a bag of ____ (insert multiple things here). I am pretty sure it has to be one item so a bag to put coins in. A large golden stature that is melted down to make coins. But then is a book one thing? Anyway the enormous golden statue that gets melted down into individual coins? I think it would go something like this, you want to dispel that one coin because you suspect magic. Every other coin that is within 120 feet of the original coin you dispelled which is from the golden statue would also get dispelled leaving you with chunks of whatever you True Polymorphed.
Melting the gold Statue is destroying it. Objects have Hit Points, too. Depending on the interpretation of the spell description, the spell would either be broken, or the objects is consumed, and dispel would not work. Cloud you eat a stone transformed into an apple, or would it turn back are into the stone.
True polymorph is a static shape so if you stay a creature you will not age. This is at least how it works in old lore since steel dragons can polymorph but it DOES have the ability to age.
What cr is a level 20 wizards simulacrum. If it’s the same you can true polymorph your simulacrum into you solving the problem of limited spell slots and the inability to regain them. Also what would happen if you cast this on your clone from the spell clone
IIRC the clone is an object until you die and transmigrate your soul into it, so you would be able to turn it into any CR 9 or lower creature that is your size category or smaller. So most likely either Medium and smaller or Small and smaller.
@@Coid thanks the real problem arises with the rules around true polymorph and simulacrum. Dose the polymorph free the simulacrum from your control or not Does it becoming a copy remove the limit and let you recast simulacrum without destroying the first With a simulacrum can you work together to cast spells into glyphs of warding Would casting simulacrum through the use of glyphs of warding count towards your maximum of one
tarrasque into tarrasque into tarrasque into tarrasque into tarrasque with a couple guys with dispel magic as. dispel magic only removes the effects of a spell
If the spell has zero effect on a shape changer how are people becoming a gold dragons, they are shape changers it should cancel the spell,. Can a piece of rock be made into a golem? When the hour ends does it stop listening to you?
To your first question: You can rule it this way but you can circumvent this by transforming into a named dragon. Your soul has still another name and true polymorph affects the soul (so the name of your prior form). Not the name/soul of your new dragon self. To your second question: Yes they can if the rock is large enough. To your final question: Yes they would (or even return to an unanimated state as no will is forcing them to move and no elemental keep the golem moving [except you create the elemental with the golem])
@@aetherwolf9288 It is called "True Polymorph" if you become anything whose body is capable of changing its physical form the spell should cease immediately. That is what zero effect means. It would mean the body is immune, because the body would know its true form and revert back to its true form. The soul would know its true form and go, "this isn't what you are supposed to be," and returns to its true form. Your soul was issued as a humanoid soul, so named or unnamed your soul seeks its previous form immediately when changed to a shape changer and the magic runs off like water off a ducks back. This is why True Polymorph has no effect on shape changers, and you can't become a shape changer.
@@carlosvillanueva8530 Thank you for your interpretation. Still this interaction still works as gold dragons aren’t shapechangers. They only get the shape change trait.
@@carlosvillanueva8530 that is Not correct. The spell does Not affect shapechangers, so you could Not true polymorph a Doppelganger or Werewolf, but you could true polymorph someone into a Werewolf or Doppelganger as long as the CR requirement is met.
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What a way to hide a magic item. Have a creature hold it and then true polymorph them.
Imagine a character whose father was a sword that was true polymorphed into a person who then started a family once the spells duration ended.
Bonus points if their starting equipment includes the sword, and that they're on a quest to find their "missing father".
Extra bonus points if you can find a way for the sword to scale with the character despite it being nonmagical at base; maybe implementing pathfinder-style weapon runes as modifications to the sword.
Even more bonus points if the character finds out the truth and that the sword theyve been carrying through the whole adventure *is* their father, or what the father was before becoming polymorphed.
This feels like setting backstory for Soul Eater.
@@Technodreamer never read/watched it, but it sounds sick if this gives soul eater vibes
I guess the father was Dispelled later?
Regarding the comment you made at the end of the object to creature, about high level wizards acting like their gods. Kuo-toa are a race of Shadow Over Innsmouth people who have a range of CRs but none going above a 3, meaning they are very easy to make with this spell. They also have an ability where, if you get enough of them together to believe that something is a god, *it will become one,* and it is very easy to convince someone you're a god when you're making them out of lumps of clay.
Big question will them willing a thing to become god make them just gain godly powers or will it twist them in some way?
@@tekbox7909yes
@@tekbox7909 Oh, it will definitely twist things. The real question is if it will actually make X a god, or if it will make a god that looks like X and may even have the same name, but is separate, like a twisted mirror doppelganger with the powers of a god.
@@Coid I mean, that mirror would likely view you as an ally to his people, so if nothing else you probably just gained an actual minor god as a steadfast ally. And probably have access to the cleric spell list now at least
Best way to get around the dispelling thing (if you want it to be truly permanent) is the clone spell. It clones the creature in the form it is currently in. Then just off yourself to have your soul enter the clone.
P.s. you can also use the clone spell part to fix the potential no aging problem cause the clone body ages once active and you can choose the age of the clone .
@@judge7147 pretty sure the aging thing is mainly a question of if the spell is a viable method of obtaining immortality
@@judge7147you’ve just got to chill for a couple hundred years till your gold dragon becomes ancient.
My favorite true polymorph thing for wizard is a simulacrum turned ancient bronze dragon. It got all the perks:
Nothing is quite as stylish as riding to battle on the back of your very own dragon.
This dragon got a burrowing and flying speed, burrowing might be the single most powerful form of nonmagical movement, right next to flying.
I presume the polymorph is "true" therefore, ageing occurs in the new form
But this would be HILLARIOUS.
A person trapped in a tall tower. And then you have the knight errant that spies the person and goes to rescue them. It is tough because the whole castle and tower is under a antimagic field so all of their magical weapons aren't working. Even so the knight prevails, slaying every foul beast contained within.
As soon as the knight carries that trapped person over the threshold they turn into a stick figure painting with a caption,
"The princes is not in this castle."
"...if you can turn a guy named Theseus into a ship..."
"...you can make someone a sword..."
You can use True Polymorph to create potentially loyal Young Silver Dragon mounts form the party. Young Silver Dragons are only CR 9.
Potentially use a 9th level "Bestow Curse" spell to age them up to Ancient Silvery Dragons that is permanent until dispelled.
@@pkg1988you can also use time ravage, alternatively, and clone to solve the dispelling
Oh, regarding horrifying implications of wizards turning people into stuff, there was one episode of Harmon Quest (I think episode 6) where they meet a merchant with exactly 100 sandwiches and discover that said sandwiches were all polymorphed people.
oh... oh no.
turning someone into a loaf of bread and feeding it to ducks is an example i always wanted to do with a high level old wizard
So if the ship Theseus gets all his parts eventually replaced, and his polymorph dispelled later, is he still Theseus?
more importantly how does being taken apart affect a person polymorphed into an object?
No Theseus is dead and his parts are spread around.
True Polymorph, or as I understand it: the reason Archmages never seem to have issues with costly material components.
Side note: I assume using a costly component that is consumed kills whoever was turned into that component. Have your lich occasionally go into town, turn a kid into a big ol' diamond and leave. Bam. Quest Hook.
One of my favorite spells on a BBEG. Had one archmage BBEG who never killed anyone, but would true polymorph a person he didn't like into a coin (copper, silver, electrum, gold, platinum... whatever he was feeling at the time). The coin would have the person's relief on one side and a bit of text in Draconic basically hinting something would happen if dispel magic was cast on the coin. His goal was never to kill anyone he didn't like directly but for that person to suddenly appear in a far-off random locale in the world with no idea how they got there, how to get home, or how long they had been "unconscious". Actually used that on a PC who ran off on their own during a cliffhanger session. The next session was the party's month of downtime trying to track down a very specific coin and the affected PC suddenly appearing in a bizarre on another continent, surrounded by angry guards, confused merchants, and a very excited wizard. The two groups then worked to reunite Homeward Bound style, with the party playing the NPCs helping the wayward PC get back home.
With all these shenanigans, there's an option that's way more fun than a simple dispel magic spell.
Make an adventurer (or NPC) from a chair-into-humanoid true polymorph. After years of adventuring, and levelling up, the adventurer comes face to face (eye-to-eyes) with a dreaded foe: a beholder.
Bam - instant chair - rest of the party (who haven't been let in on this particular background secret) are completely confused/terrified. Then the beholder looks elsewhere and - bam - their companion is now back, with no idea that they missed half a minute of sentient existence (from their perspective, the beholder apparently teleported or something).
Antimagic dispels so sadly this interaction isnt RAW.
Still a fun thought
@@aetherwolf9288 Antimagic suppresses. It doesn't dispel.
"Spells and other magical effects, [...] are suppressed in the sphere" PHB, 213
@@byrongsmith thank you for the correction
@@aetherwolf9288 I love that anti-magic suppresses, rather than dispels, since it opens all kinds of really fun possibilities, including the whole True Polymorph world of wackiness.
a former chair turned person turned wizard because they are desperate to attain the magic needed to get a proper body that cant be dispelled.
Would clone work to make a body that is not affected by despell?
@@bobertoakes1811 it depends on the interpretation of spell mechanics, but since there is two ways to do it for either interpretation, yes. its needs magic jar as well in the more complicated one. look up table top builds chronurgy wizard at the bottom they explain it.
One suggestion I saw was to polymorph your enemy into a block of platinum for free money... or start a snail farm and polymorph your snails into "Whatever's Expensive Today" to rake in ridiculous quantities of cash!
One thing that occurred to me, though, was to combine it with Create Magen (7th level Wizard spell in Icewind Dale_ Rime of the Frostmaiden) Create Magen creates a loyal construct creature, CR1-3, at the cost of an equal number of point from your MAX HP. Unfortunately, they're mute and unskilled at anything bar their specific tasks... so True Polymorph them into your Humanoid of choice - they retain their previous mind (and thus unflappable loyalty to you) but can now speak and learn. Teach them tool or skill proficiencies that they can use even after / if they revert to Magen (which are immortal). Let them learn Classes so they can support you as full casters or master scouts or whatever. I wonder what would happen if you True Polymorphed an item into a Magen, though? Their unbreakable loyalty is a racial trait... so would it perhaps not wear off after the hour is up?
I also really like the image of the party mage detecting active transmutation magic in their target's lair and wasting a Dispel Magic on it to even the fight... only to create more enemies instead! If the caster is clever enough, they don't need to dispel the magic themselves, they can trick their enemies into wasting spell slots on it.
I'm now imagining a group of high-level casters who are trying to figure out how to be immortal, weather that be through lichdom or not, up to DM. Thing is, the have a top security vault in their base of operations full of just random objects. These are actually all the past members stored away until they come up with a solution.
One of the few spells to make the transition to 5th ed and retain its scope and potency. True Polymorph opens the world to all sorts of shenanigans starting with the ones you mentioned, the ones in the comments, and more!
Plenty of potential for DM use both as a villain spell for quest hooks.
Can't be less than
10/10 - the best part is exploring all the interactions and questions it raises
Uses true polymorph to turn yourself and your party into golden dragons, than use the metamorphosis ability to turn yourselfs into humanoids again.
The most broken spell of the game.
until an old man with 7 canaries shows up
True polymorph really shines when combined with clone. Maintain concentration on the new form and it becomes you until dispelled which means you can use it to create a clone. The clone however ISN'T under the effect of polymorph and still has that form. What's more, you can create MULTIPLE clones of yourself with each one being a different species. Rules as written, each one would still be linked to your soul and would be work as a new vessel on death.
4:25 Homebrew, but when used on a willing creature, I'd allow an option of _permanent_ permanent transformation, as in, truly becoming a different creature, as the name suggests. This is because if someone wants it, this spell is the closest option in the game, and it's already 9th level, so why limit it. With this option chosen, after the transformation becomes permanent, it doesn't end at 0 hit points, and it can't be dispelled. Creature can't benefit from turning back into its normal form with full hp, but can be healed when at 0 hp in transformed form, as per normal rules. Not sure if it returns to original form (but dead) when killed, as it will be in line and very much in theme with all other shape changing magic.
14:18 Petrified, just as Unconscious, specifies that the creature is _unaware of its surroundings_ so atleast it can't have memories about that. Whether it is aware of itself is not specified, and up in the air (probably because its hardly relevant and hard to define in system terms). Unconscious covers things such as clinical death, or mere sleeping, by common sense one has no awareness, other can have dreams and such (the game even allows magical communication with a sleeping creature). So i'd guess that awareness of time passing while petrified may depend on the source of the condition. I wouldn't want to be targeted by the "i have no mouth.." kind.
18:50 Creatures with Truesight (or you can use the spell from two episodes from now) can see original forms of transformed things.
3:00 I'd say that the original form is unaffected by time. This is primarily to prevent it from dying of thirst within a week.
One thing though. You change into an average member of such species. This means that you lose your spellcasting modifier and you lose you ability to cast entirely if you were a Sorcerer or Warlock (since for those, the spellcasting was tied to the body).
6:54 No. Tiamat isn't a species, but a specific entity. Similarly, you couldn't change yourself to a different specific person. But you could change Tiamat into a Tarrasque, if Tarrasque is a species.
10:20 I'd say the Wyrmlings do grow up, but they can still be dispelled.
In regards to size, as a GM, I'd limit it to equal size to the original creature. I don't want anybody to go around turning flies into 15ft cubes of adamantine.
Metalic dragon, then you can shapeshift into anything. And use your new legendary resitances to just not have disipell magic work on you.
Ooh, a really good pick.
@@Zaktact And you can then use the dragon's ability to take on humanoid form to raid different humanoid statblocks' innate spellcasting for some utility spells.
Turn into a Planetar as a Chronurgy Wizard, you just get to decide the outcome of one roll every round forever.
Does the setting in which you are casting True Polymorph have Psychometry?
"the ability to discover facts about an event or person by touching inanimate objects associated with them."
Would that be memories?
We got another long one. And as usual: 10/10 with these.
Where do we even start with this one?!
Maybe with the framing? Definitely with the framing. Also you notice that I talk about problems and interactions. In the end I address the problems and say my solution. For the interactions: They explain how this spell works combo wise (at least as far as I understand, please correct me if Im wrong).
Bard, Warlocks, Wizards and Arcana Domain Clerics get this spell.
30 ft so it is in range of counterspell and as such an utility spell.
It has concentration up to one hour, after which it becomes an until dispelled spell, so we need to look at the 1 hour window and the permanent version of the spell.
It targets any creature or none magical objects.
First problem: Undead creatures can come back to life.
First interaction: You can’t hide magical objects with this spell directly. Nystl magical aura doesn’t change that as it only aperes as none magical. It still is.
The object cannot be worn or carried. That prevents a lot of fun but isn’t as important.
For the concentration version (I call it from now on CV) this spell ends if you lose concentration, or the target drops to 0 HP.
For the permanent version (PV) the endclause changes to until dispelled.
Second Problem: If you turn someone into an object and then shatter it after it becomes permanent and you dispel only one part: What happens? RAW the creature returns to normal. But the other pieces are still around and can be dispelled. So this is an easy way to clone someone.
Second interaction: You cant create multiple traps that when broken they release monsters. This only works with the CV and even then there is a magic item (mirror of live trapping).
This spell has no effect on shapechangers. To determine if something is a shapechanger we have tags. So out of 3071 creatures only 43 are immune to this spell. Funnily enough there are creatures with the shapechanger trait but not the tag (that includes dragons somehow).
Third problem: If you turn yourself into one of those creatures this spell wouldn’t work. Your now in a loop between your normal form and your transformed self.
Unwilling creatures can make a WIS- Save against the spell. So you can use it as a Save or Suck spell. But it should be a last resort as it isn’t a combat spell (even though it is an action to cast).
Creature into Creature:
Transform a creature into another creature of a lvl or CR equal or less than its own lvl/CR. Tough luck memorizing each and every creature you can turn into.
Fourth problem: It doesn’t specify how you learn those new forms. So RAW the Dm needs to hand you out all of the homebrew monster they made and every creature across the editions of DnD should be fine to play as long as you play with dream of the blue valley(and as such with the multiverse) also each homebrew monster you find would technically be viable.
Fourth interaction: You can transform into named creatures. This combines to an unholy amount of possibilities. Like for example transforming into a character you had prior in this campaign or even another campaign. You can also change the spirits you can call into other spirits (as unknown is still a CR). So you can send a devil to the upper planes.
The gamestatistics are replaced by those of the new creature except personality and alignment. So you gain spellcasting and initiate casting. You also recover spell slots and HP, Hit dice and everything. You also gain the equipment of the creature which also counts towards the condition to dispel it.
Fifth Problem: What happens if the statistics of a named creature changes? So what if the party give Bael (CR 19 named Devil) a ring of three wishes and polymorph into him. RAW the Rings are now duped until the party drops concentration.
This spell follows then the rules for polymorph when the creature is reduced to 0 HP. So until it becomes the PV the creature returns to its normal form. If it is the PV the spell tries to revert it back but fails.
So you can trap yourself in your own polymorph if you aren’t careful. So you don’t cast this spell if you are alone.
The targets gear melds into its new form. So you can hide magical objects by carrying them. Mainly good for combat scenarios where you need to hide stuff (still this isn’t a combat spell).
This option is the weakest of them all and still easily 10/10. Its main power comes from its bad wording and needs to be addressed later. The CV is usually better than the PV in this case.
Object into creature:
Any kind of object can be turned into any creature as long as the creature isn’t larger than the object and CR 9 or lower. So you can’t create creatures with lvl.
Sixth Interaction: This spell doesn’t specify the size category only the size in general. So you can dodge the spell by changing your hight. It also doesn’t talk about volume so a stick of 20 ft can be turned into a young blue/silver dragon.
The creature is friendly to you and your companions. So you can summon demons.
It acts on your turn. So it shares your initiative. So you can’t use act while you are surprised. Also if you aren’t in combat it doesn’t act at all so you can’t order it to protect a place.
You decide what actions it takes. So you have total control over it without any cost.
The PV acts independently from you (is free). Still it can remain friendly if you treat it well. So you can have a friendly devil. I wonder if that is how the first tieflings where born?
This option allows for all kinds of weird interactions but has still a lot to over. It has the same fourth problem as the first option but overall I like this one. The PV is probably better than the CV.
Creature into object:
The transformed creatures gear transforms alongside with the creature. This is an upgraded form of the creature to creature option provides.
The object can’t exceed the size of the creature. Same different between size and size category.
The creature statistic become those of the object. So no paladin in a jar for you sadly.
Seventh interaction: The object can be made out of multiple materials and can be used as material components for spells.
The creature has no memory spent in this state. This means no sense of time.
Eighth interaction: By turning someone into a written book describing their life you created literally a time capsule.
This option is the best. It solves all your gold problems and material components with a price tag. The PV is 100% of the time the better option.
Ninth interaction: What happens if you layer this spell?
So first you transform someone into an object. And then this object into a humanoid. Two spells with the same name can’t effect a creature at the same time. So the caster with the higher lvl or the spell that was casted prior is suppressed.
In theory you can layer indefinite numbers of true polymorphs. If you then circumvent this spell dispelling via clone you can obtain infinite HP (as each time you die the next layer of true polymorph becomes active again).
We now know the potential of the spell. But now how do we address the problems?
1st Problem: Turning living things into ghosts and vise versa can mess with a lot of things. So the options are either to deny something living to turn into the other thing but I don’t like this. However I don’t see any other solution (if you do please leave suggestions).
2nd problem: Simply require that the original object needs to be intact (you can use identify if the object is intact, locate object to find the other parts and fabricate to recover the object).
3rd problem: Either block them from turning into shapechangers or give the new form a new name (this works because the spell targets and affects your name not the new creature).
4th problem: Just use the druids wildshape rules.
5th problem: Separate gear and statistics. You now have a naked Beal but no duped ring of three wishes.
This was a good analysis. Thank you for reading this hole thing. For feedback or question I happily see you in the comments.
Have a nice day
AEther
"Second Problem: If you turn someone into an object and then shatter it after it becomes permanent and you dispel only one part: What happens? RAW the creature returns to normal. But the other pieces are still around and can be dispelled. So this is an easy way to clone someone."
I have to disagree with you. If you have a chair and you bust it apart you no longer have a chair. You have pieces of a chair. Or if you change a creature in to a Golden Statue then proceed to melt the gold and then mint coins. You no longer have a statue you have many coins.
"Dispel Magic Range 120 feet"
"Choose one creature, object, or magical effect within range. Any spell of 3rd level or lower on the target ends."
You would be dispelling the magical effect of the 9th level spell so it would effect every thing effected by that spell. Since you no longer have a statue but coins; each and every coin that is 120 feet from you would revert back to its original form. A coin is one small piece of a massive statue therefor you would have coins tuning back into chunks of the original creature. If all the coins from the statue are with in the 120 foot area then you would have a complete creature albeit in as many chunks as there were coins derived from the statue.
Now if you have creature turned into a gold statue and a different creature turned into a silver statue, then you melted both statues to make one Electrum statue and you dispelled you would choose one effect. Which ever creature would be separated from the Electrum statue and be reverted back to their original form leaving just one metal in lump form because both were molded in to one form.
@@targetdreamer257 Dispel magic:
Choose a magical phenomenon within range. Any effects on the target ends.
So if you only have a coin you only dispel the coin not the hole statue.
So the electrum statue would be the target and as such you created an amalgamation of the two creatures.
I can see this being used as a cheap way to bring a ghost back to life
Even True Polymorphed into a Dragon, as long as you picked one that can take on human form, there is access to Dispel Magic through the Innate Spellcasting of Drow Matron Mothers, Drow Inquisitors, Inquisitors of the Sword, Inquisitors of the Mind Fire, or Counterflux Blastseekers.
A way to avoid the dispel on whatever from you turn into, you can go find the creature you want to turn into use True Polymorph on it turn it into some kind of humanoid; Then cast soul jar take over its body end concentration on True polymorph and you are now permanently that thing unless someone finds the soul jar.
If you had an undead creature bound to obey your commands through the necromancer ability "Command Undead" and you cast "True Polymorph" on them would that cancel the effects of CU if the new form is not undead?
Example you capture a Dracolich and then cast TP and change them into a mastiff, horse, or even a bodyguard so that they blend in with society better and your not walking through town with a Dracolich in tow. Would they no longer be under your control since they are not an undead creature or would they still be under your control because the spell doesn't change alignment? I was thinking of changing them into a mastiff and then if their true form is needed for an encounter I just Dispel Magic on TP which wouldn't affect CU because CU isn't a spell and it states that they are under your control until you use CU again.
That goes into the same vein of questioning as whether a Simulacrum's loyalty would remain intact after True Polymorphing them into another form. I would be inclined to say yes, as you're still in control of the creature underneath the True Polymorph, they're just indefinitely in another form.
On the other hand, if they have an Intelligence of 12 or higher and can repeat their saving throw every hour, then it would be difficult to reassert Command Undead control over them while not in undead form, so I'd stick to lower Intelligence forms. (Although whether the Intelligence of the form while TP'd into a non-undead is relevant would itself be yet another question.)
Sorta goes in the opposite direction from the question of whether True Polymorphing an object into a Golem and making it permanent will lead to the golem being under your control as its creator.
Can you turn a creature into a magic item? It never stipulates the creature needs to be turned into a nonmagical object. Can you make up the magic item's effects if so? Can you become a dragon cr 20 lair to gain cr transform into a hire-level dragon rince and repeat until you reach far hire cr monsters? What if a person is turned into an object and is dispelled centuries later.
Algorithm comment
Epic spell
Cant watch it all now but yeye epic
Are all druids immune because they can shape change with wild shape or does the statblock have to say "shapechanger"?
It needs to be the shapechanger tag. So druids aren’t immune
Idea: Life side chess board that spawns monsters when you move into a square the first time.
Worse: turn them into a demilich. Or turn someone into a costly spell component...
This a plot i used once. Warlock breaks pact with patron. Patron sends underlings to murder the warlock. Warlock uses true polymorph and creates kittens. It's a whole lot of kitties.
If the party isn't careful. They also become kittens.
So. My interpretation of this spell is that whatever creature you turn into you assume that statblock you lose your older stuff (spells abilities) only the creature. So for example even if you turn your fighter into a gold dragon. They can't use their fighter abilities (even if they turn into a humanoid using the gold dragon ability)
And that is why you can gain class levels even if you are another creature.
that is all up to the DM/homebrew and nothing in the rules though. @@aetherwolf9288
Yes, though if you turn into the right kind of creature, Multiattack is a decent substitute for Extra Attack.
Could a Lich true polymoph themselves into a living person? Then, if they die in that form would their phylactory regenerate them automatically or would someone have to cast dispel on the corpse?
XD
To the first question:
Yes it is possible.
To the second question:
It depends, but in general it would regenerate him (as the phylactory is bound to the soul and your soul doesn’t change via this spell)
oh my god you can turn yourself into an adult dragon
*frantically writing an encounter in which the party enters a castle in which all the servants used to be objects AKA a flipped Beauty and The Beast.
So yet another Shenanigans the Spell spell. Also How Many Ways Can I Bust this Spell spell.
The mind reels with all the possibilities.
OK on the "can you choose their age " thing with this type of spell.
I would say yes. As baby dragon get lower CR than adult dragons. So that mean you can be any creature at any age. Which is more of a down grade for t PC used But NPC targets it a crippler. I would add a roll to do that. I need to make a chart for that. world building wise this is scary. This mean you could have a group of people that just turning people into monster for parts
Even worst you could have an evil unicorn. Good demons.
On the immortal thing with this spell Yes. But this is where the Inevitable come into play. The Marut Inevitable to be dead on the nose. You got to watch how you cheat death in D&D.
Great spell to cast with contingency.
The sandwich was purple worm poison.
Here's a thought. What if a high level wizard managed to turn an incredibly powerful monster into an onject, then underwent the process of lichdom, turning that object into a phylactery.
Maybe adventurers find the phylactery and attempt to destroy it, only to release the powerful creature from it's polymorphed state. Or maybe the powerful creature is a loyal servant of the Lich, and after creating the phylactery the Lich dispels True Polymorph and the creature returns to its natural state, but remains a living phylactery of the Lich.
What if a player character's backstory involves them having been captured and turned into a Lich's phylactery using this method, but the phylactery was found and purposefully or accidentally dispelled, and now the Lich is sending it's minions to "recover" the PC.
Lots of story-hook possibilities with this spell. I mean, just imagine an adventuring party threatening a Lich with the destruction of it's phylactery, only for the Lich to inform them that destroying the phylactery would release the TARRASQUE that it had True Polymorphed. Even if the Tarrasque would no longer function as the Lich's phylactery, that's still some serious leverage.
"Sure, destroying the phylactery would kill me, but it would also release a doom upon the lands far greater than that which I bring. Are you foolish enough to think that you can best it? Are you even willing to make that choice? Or... do you simply despise me so much that you're willing to destroy everything to see me fall?"
So basically you use this spell to be Harry Potter?
That is a creative use I would say!
Edit: I also checked if the phylactery needs to be none living. It doesn’t have to be!
You can turn the terrasque into tiamat or the other way back
Comboline:
Cast simulacrum
Cast Magic Jar
Give Jar to simulacrum
Have the simulacrum inhabit the tarrasque.
True polymorph the tarrasque into tiamat.
Now you have a pet tiamat.
Also, some implicatios to replace a person? Or pervy implications too... maided turn tiu down type of thing? Bard get this too
"Really good for villain, or a DM."
As if these things aren't the same :D
Hold the dang phone - that bit about turning people into ghosts and you didn't even mention that the opposite is equally possible, free revives with no time limit (though the person or thing you're reviving needs to be pretty low level or CR to work, maybe if you want info off of someone just polymorph their ghost into a commoner?)
Hell the spell works on objects, courpses are objects, so if your favorite pet T-rex dies just polymorph its body into a T-rex and you're golden
The spell level doesn’t justify the hassle you need to go through. But theoretically its possible.
Surely ageing has to happen, right? Otherwise you're making potentiality immortal beings
You turn into a creature. This creature follows the flow of time.
So they age.
Another argument is that you can turn into a young or adult dragon of the same kind.
So CR is influenced by age and as such time.
Related question, does an antimagic field disrupt a permanent polymorph? How about Disjunction? Cos if antimagic field works then I've got a terrifying idea for a BBEG encounter
Yes, if a true polymorphed Object-Creature enters an antimagic field it reverts but only for as long as it is in there ,outside of it it goes back to its polymorphed form. Disjunction I am not sure since that is not a thing in 5e.
Turning a creature into an object lasts until the end of the spell so at most it will last for 1 hour while concentrating.
I definitely rule it as permanent until dispelled not 0 hit points etc.
You can turn people into food. You can turn people into pumpkin soup
Soylent green is people!
To be fair, you could already turn people into food using a tool proficiency.
I did not know this spell was a thing... I'm glad I usually play changelings so I'm immune to it lol. As for the age thing, I don't think the age of the initial target matters. If you polymorph a bolder into a dire wolf, that bolder could be millions of years old. Congrats, you just turned a bolder into a dusty wolf corpse lol.
True Polymorph the BBEG into a creature with a seriously short lifespan and force them to die of old age. Then even True Resurrection can't bring them back.
Mayfly
So quicklings have a lifespan of around 15 years. With planar binding you can loop them so they need to serve you before they die. Is this good enough for your purposes?
@@aetherwolf9288 Rats die in only a few years and Animal Friendship is cheaper than Planar Binding gems.
@@Coid thats true but over 7 years its still very expensive.
But lets say turn the bbeg into
a rat and than awaken the rat. This should also work as far as Im concerned
10:18 i feel like this would be stipulated like with how simulacrum cant learn.
Finally the spell change a apocalypse to another apocalypse
Even better:
Cast simulacrum
Cast Magic Jar
Give Jar to simulacrum
Have the simulacrum inhabit the tarrasque.
True polymorph the tarrasque into tiamat.
Now you have a pet tiamat.
You turned the apocalypse into a working force.
FYI, a young Silver ( or Blue) Dragon, is CR9.
Do what you will with this information.
Also, Adult Gold Dragon is CR17, and lets you shapechange back into your original form.
Also, also, turn them into a Mayfly, and have them die of old age.
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What happens to all the people that are sleeping in a house when you change that house into say a Treant?
15:54 LOL
Ya killing me Zaktact!
Now all I have to say is that if you become a metallic dragon and you shapechange into a human, are you still with all your class abilities and spells and stuff.
The thing about dispels is that to guarantee it in combat you need a ninth level dispel.
Shapechange you retain your class abilities. True Polymorph you do not retain your class abilities.
This spell could also be used to turn an object into an object: first turn an object into a creature, and then turn that creature into an object the next day. Could potentially be a great way to (literally) make some money!
Never run out of ruby dust or diamond dust again after making a Brontosaurus out of the side of a mountain and then turning that into a big ol' mess of gemstone.
On the Creature into objects and it not being the same size. Could you in theory make a castle with walls of gold and floors of powdered diamond dust for example? If yes to the first or even at any amount would you be able to use these for spell components? I know the Creation spell explicitly says no for that spell but True Polymorph.....?
If it doesn't forbid use as spell components, then, yeah, it should be usable as spell components. I don't recall a general rule disallowing components that were magically generated, anyway.
Creature to object, like a bag of gold. Now I distribute the gold. Many years go by it has been in circulation all over the kingdom.
One person realizes there is magic in the coin and casts dispell.... What happens?
I don't think it could be a bag of ____ (insert multiple things here). I am pretty sure it has to be one item so a bag to put coins in. A large golden stature that is melted down to make coins. But then is a book one thing?
Anyway the enormous golden statue that gets melted down into individual coins? I think it would go something like this, you want to dispel that one coin because you suspect magic. Every other coin that is within 120 feet of the original coin you dispelled which is from the golden statue would also get dispelled leaving you with chunks of whatever you True Polymorphed.
Melting the gold Statue is destroying it. Objects have Hit Points, too. Depending on the interpretation of the spell description, the spell would either be broken, or the objects is consumed, and dispel would not work.
Cloud you eat a stone transformed into an apple, or would it turn back are into the stone.
True polymorph is a static shape so if you stay a creature you will not age. This is at least how it works in old lore since steel dragons can polymorph but it DOES have the ability to age.
Wait
Hmm
They forgot to specify mass in creature to object
Black hole?
But thanks for giving me a reason to be afraid of glyphs of warding with dispel magic
true polymorph someone into a corpse. so much for power word kill.
I thonk it says that dispel magic doesnt work agter the creature drops to 0 points (zero)
What cr is a level 20 wizards simulacrum. If it’s the same you can true polymorph your simulacrum into you solving the problem of limited spell slots and the inability to regain them.
Also what would happen if you cast this on your clone from the spell clone
IIRC the clone is an object until you die and transmigrate your soul into it, so you would be able to turn it into any CR 9 or lower creature that is your size category or smaller. So most likely either Medium and smaller or Small and smaller.
Whether you cn TP your simulacrum into a true copy of yourself is a great question, though.
@@Coid thanks the real problem arises with the rules around true polymorph and simulacrum.
Dose the polymorph free the simulacrum from your control or not
Does it becoming a copy remove the limit and let you recast simulacrum without destroying the first
With a simulacrum can you work together to cast spells into glyphs of warding
Would casting simulacrum through the use of glyphs of warding count towards your maximum of one
True Polymorph the tarrasque into a gold piece and give it to the BBEG. Drop concentration and GTFO.
Dead body is an object. Can you polymorph a dead body into a living person?
Yes, or any rock or wooden log of the appropriate size.
tarrasque into tarrasque into tarrasque into tarrasque into tarrasque with a couple guys with dispel magic as. dispel magic only removes the effects of a spell
Day 291 of waiting for him to cover Zone Of Truth
Bout what I expected.
If the spell has zero effect on a shape changer how are people becoming a gold dragons, they are shape changers it should cancel the spell,. Can a piece of rock be made into a golem? When the hour ends does it stop listening to you?
To your first question:
You can rule it this way but you can circumvent this by transforming into a named dragon.
Your soul has still another name and true polymorph affects the soul (so the name of your prior form). Not the name/soul of your new dragon self.
To your second question: Yes they can if the rock is large enough.
To your final question: Yes they would (or even return to an unanimated state as no will is forcing them to move and no elemental keep the golem moving [except you create the elemental with the golem])
@@aetherwolf9288 It is called "True Polymorph" if you become anything whose body is capable of changing its physical form the spell should cease immediately. That is what zero effect means. It would mean the body is immune, because the body would know its true form and revert back to its true form. The soul would know its true form and go, "this isn't what you are supposed to be," and returns to its true form. Your soul was issued as a humanoid soul, so named or unnamed your soul seeks its previous form immediately when changed to a shape changer and the magic runs off like water off a ducks back. This is why True Polymorph has no effect on shape changers, and you can't become a shape changer.
@@carlosvillanueva8530 Thank you for your interpretation.
Still this interaction still works as gold dragons aren’t shapechangers.
They only get the shape change trait.
@@aetherwolf9288I accept that interpretation, after further reading.
@@carlosvillanueva8530 that is Not correct. The spell does Not affect shapechangers, so you could Not true polymorph a Doppelganger or Werewolf, but you could true polymorph someone into a Werewolf or Doppelganger as long as the CR requirement is met.
Also, slug or quipper pet, anyone?
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Dude, have A thought, discuss it, then move on. This is a video you can edit, not an adhd showcase