It's not going to be on public (or semi-public) areas. Nowhere where you expect to have guests you don't necessarily trust, which prevets the use on the ruler's castle and such. You don't want this to trigger for all the servants or petitioners, but you also don't want to give a lot of people password to negate it. The more people know the password, the higher chance that an enemy will learn it too. Baked in Suggestion: "Please strip naked and leave all your things in the alcoves." Little do the adventurers know that the hallway they are in has a bunch of doors to the sides, behind which minions are hiding. If they do as suggested, their things get taken and the minions will then also lock doors behind them. Oh, and the spell doesn't say that it can't overlap with another Guards and Wards, nor are the components consumed. 10/10
My favorite thing I’ve done with this spell is the built in Suggestion is right before the final door. The Suggestion needs to be reasonable and with all the traps and threats they’ve encountered, I have my Suggestion being “you should cut your losses and leave.” They go though all the dangers of the dungeon and the final trap is just politely asking them to leave, and if they fail the wisdom save…
the suggestion is better than you think. you can suggest: "you should leave immediately and avoid (wizard name) as much as possible, they are incredibly powerful and you are sure to meet a terrible end should you bother them" then put it in a central corridor or the entrance way. now everyone trying to raid your tower or dungeon needs to pass your ridiculous spellsave or silently and not knowing they are being charmed be compelled to just fuck off entirely for 3 days. and since they have to follow the suggestion they are going to try to convince their other party members to do the same even if the others passed the save.
The 5ft square suggestion also means you could get someone to manually set off an entirely different trap. Like you could have them push a button, flip a lever, or walk down a hallway with an illusory floor
Just a sprawling cube of 5x5 rooms with doors on each wall. Everything looks identical. Every every room, every door. Infinite Arcane Locks. You never know if you have actually been in the same foggy room because you don't know if you've gone this way yet and half the time you pick wrong. All the traps actually lead you back to the beginning. The Suggestion is forcing you to say "I think we've already been here." It's just meant to frustrate you into giving up.
This spell was featured in my OotA campaign a few years ago. Party was sneaking into Sorcere in Menzobarrenzan to steal an item and this spell was active in the school. It didn’t become a problem until the party triggered alarms trying to leave. Then in the haste to get away the intersection discombobulating effect mixed with the webs in the stairwell to really mess with the party. They barely made it outside with security in hot pursuit.
Hehe When I played OotA I was a Druid. By the time we got to where you described I had Wind Walk and Stone Shape. Wind Walk lets you and like 10 others turn in to gas. Resistance to like every thing and while in gas form the ONLY thing you can do is Dash. No spells, no attacks, no magical items. But your base speed is 300 feet per round and you can fly. With Stone Shape I just blew a hole in the wall then we booked it at 600 feet per round.
The gust of wind one is a wind tunnel a constant force and not one shove the PCs would have to push against the wind constantly to reach the otherside and be knocked back everytime ya fail the strength save if the door locks behind ya and there are dangers in the room like skeletons shooting through peepholes for example then the players would be in a very tough spot Like simple one would be having to drag something at the start of the tunnel to the end while hazards are happening Or maybe its facing vertically and the room is silenced so ya gotta take the windstream up to go through a illusionary wall If ya got em linked up ya got a pneumatic tube system
@@WexMajor82 do u think if someone pulled out an umbrella they'd get shot out faster u could also allign the tubes up right to make a permanent Engine since like all engines are ,are pistons being moved up and down
My idea for the gust of wind and magic mouth was a deceiving way to trick people into thinking an exit is one way that turns them down the wrong corridor, maybe thinking its fresh air underground or hear a voice far away. Similar for the suggestion if placed in a 5ft choke point, just to save or pick any door but the right one
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Stink up the webbed stairs to make them extra annoying. I was about to suggest kinds of minions that could be put there despite the effects, but then I remembered that you can just make your minions immune to the whole thing. This thing is so so deadly to get ambushed in. With permanent wards you might need a password instead, and it is not clear from the wording, but you can make a creature immune only to some of the effects, so I wonder if you can have a password only for some of the effects. What if you have a separate password for each corridor and door, so that your structure is not compromised by breaking one minion. Also, typo in the title?
Friendly reminder: The fog corridors make it harder to Investigate for the illusion-masked doors. Also, what's stopping the Gust of Wind from being vertical? Lift. Especially with password: drop the password to go up, or fall slower?
This spell is insane. First dip as a wizard into sorcerer (14 wizard 6 sorcerer) and pick up twinned spell. Then build your dungeon as follows. Only one entrance (we are going to use the suggestion trap so it would be best use of this option). Then you start with a single room which contains only one staircase leading down into your dungeon (which is a decoy btw). The real entrance is across the room and one of your hidden doors. The suggestion you wanna use is simple. Go down the staircase to find what your heart desires. The reason you wanna twin this spell should be quite obvious. You have the first spell which allows for traping your enemies. The second is then for protecting your home. So you save time and gold. For your homedefense you wanna choose the same suggestion set up as follows: Go home. Here is nothing for you. As your password you may choose your true name and then curse your name so the one who find out your enemies turn into an allip. If you have only a small base you can cover some areas twice with the spell. Because it would be a different guards and wards you can layer effects. Due to the nature of the spell it would be nearly impossible to penetrate your home. This combo is usable for each villians and heros alike and can be paired with forbiddance and similar spells. Also this spell is everything forbiddance tried to be but isnt. So yeah. What is there to say other than 10/10. Have a nice day AEther
So if I say the password I'm immune to the effects. I assume that includes the fog. So if I'm in the castle, and some bloke walks in, and I've said the password... does that mean the other guy is always under a heavy obscuration (i.e. he can't see jack) but I'm not (so I can see him plain as day)?
The Homebrew world I want to build has a king who is allied with the head of the local thieves guild. Both the queen and the sister of thieves guild head are powerful wizards. I'm going to have there be a secret passage between the guild heads base and the kings office that allow for secret passage between the two with the doors on both ends illusioned to look like they are not there
If the spell becomes permanent, the does the password also become permanent? Because then it would only take one person finding out the password and sharing it with others for the spell to become practically useless...you could interrogate someone who knows the password, spy on the area, or even just start guessing passwords you think the caster would have set. There needs to be some option for multifactor authentication.
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It's not going to be on public (or semi-public) areas. Nowhere where you expect to have guests you don't necessarily trust, which prevets the use on the ruler's castle and such.
You don't want this to trigger for all the servants or petitioners, but you also don't want to give a lot of people password to negate it.
The more people know the password, the higher chance that an enemy will learn it too.
Baked in Suggestion: "Please strip naked and leave all your things in the alcoves."
Little do the adventurers know that the hallway they are in has a bunch of doors to the sides, behind which minions are hiding. If they do as suggested, their things get taken and the minions will then also lock doors behind them.
Oh, and the spell doesn't say that it can't overlap with another Guards and Wards, nor are the components consumed. 10/10
My favorite thing I’ve done with this spell is the built in Suggestion is right before the final door. The Suggestion needs to be reasonable and with all the traps and threats they’ve encountered, I have my Suggestion being “you should cut your losses and leave.”
They go though all the dangers of the dungeon and the final trap is just politely asking them to leave, and if they fail the wisdom save…
the suggestion is better than you think. you can suggest: "you should leave immediately and avoid (wizard name) as much as possible, they are incredibly powerful and you are sure to meet a terrible end should you bother them" then put it in a central corridor or the entrance way. now everyone trying to raid your tower or dungeon needs to pass your ridiculous spellsave or silently and not knowing they are being charmed be compelled to just fuck off entirely for 3 days. and since they have to follow the suggestion they are going to try to convince their other party members to do the same even if the others passed the save.
I have honestly never heard of this spell!
The 5ft square suggestion also means you could get someone to manually set off an entirely different trap.
Like you could have them push a button, flip a lever, or walk down a hallway with an illusory floor
Fantastic use of the suggestion.
This can also be used offensively, just imagine how p...... off the big bad would be when you cast this on his base
Well, you have to run around while casting it; I assume someone or something is gonna stop you from doing that.
Just a sprawling cube of 5x5 rooms with doors on each wall.
Everything looks identical. Every every room, every door. Infinite Arcane Locks. You never know if you have actually been in the same foggy room because you don't know if you've gone this way yet and half the time you pick wrong.
All the traps actually lead you back to the beginning. The Suggestion is forcing you to say "I think we've already been here."
It's just meant to frustrate you into giving up.
Horrifying. Will have to use it.
Wow, calm down Satan!
This spell was featured in my OotA campaign a few years ago. Party was sneaking into Sorcere in Menzobarrenzan to steal an item and this spell was active in the school. It didn’t become a problem until the party triggered alarms trying to leave. Then in the haste to get away the intersection discombobulating effect mixed with the webs in the stairwell to really mess with the party. They barely made it outside with security in hot pursuit.
Hehe
When I played OotA I was a Druid. By the time we got to where you described I had Wind Walk and Stone Shape. Wind Walk lets you and like 10 others turn in to gas. Resistance to like every thing and while in gas form the ONLY thing you can do is Dash. No spells, no attacks, no magical items. But your base speed is 300 feet per round and you can fly. With Stone Shape I just blew a hole in the wall then we booked it at 600 feet per round.
Just found your channel with this video; love your dissection of one of my favorite spells!
Now I just need to go watch all your previous episodes :)
Happy you liked it. Hope you enjoy the channel.
The gust of wind one is a wind tunnel a constant force and not one shove
the PCs would have to push against the wind constantly to reach the otherside and be knocked back everytime ya fail the strength save
if the door locks behind ya and there are dangers in the room like skeletons shooting through peepholes for example then the players would be in a very tough spot
Like simple one would be having to drag something at the start of the tunnel to the end while hazards are happening
Or maybe its facing vertically and the room is silenced so ya gotta take the windstream up to go through a illusionary wall
If ya got em linked up ya got a pneumatic tube system
Pneumatic tube was not something that immediately came to mind. I am happy you've brought it to my attention though.
Have a chimney. Put the wind coming from below. Have them fall out of the dungeon.
@@WexMajor82 do u think if someone pulled out an umbrella they'd get shot out faster
u could also allign the tubes up right to make a permanent Engine
since like all engines are ,are pistons being moved up and down
You've inspired me to try a Halloween one shot. Maybe have the PC's mission break into a haunted house with this spell on it
Happy to inspire. It is the perfect haunted house spell. Webs, fog, turned around, spooky lights, etc.
My idea for the gust of wind and magic mouth was a deceiving way to trick people into thinking an exit is one way that turns them down the wrong corridor, maybe thinking its fresh air underground or hear a voice far away. Similar for the suggestion if placed in a 5ft choke point, just to save or pick any door but the right one
I am definitely putting this in my lich’s next dungeon, it’s cool as heck
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Now i have this idea for a magic security pc
A must have for players(base building) and Dm's alike. 9/10
Stink up the webbed stairs to make them extra annoying.
I was about to suggest kinds of minions that could be put there despite the effects, but then I remembered that you can just make your minions immune to the whole thing. This thing is so so deadly to get ambushed in. With permanent wards you might need a password instead, and it is not clear from the wording, but you can make a creature immune only to some of the effects, so I wonder if you can have a password only for some of the effects. What if you have a separate password for each corridor and door, so that your structure is not compromised by breaking one minion.
Also, typo in the title?
Thank you for spotting the typo. Separate passwords Idea is good.
gotta love the powerfull abjuration and should-be abjurstion spells that let you set up your own dungeon haha
Friendly reminder: The fog corridors make it harder to Investigate for the illusion-masked doors.
Also, what's stopping the Gust of Wind from being vertical? Lift. Especially with password: drop the password to go up, or fall slower?
You cannot tell me that every lich doesn't have this by default around their phylactery.
This spell is insane. First dip as a wizard into sorcerer (14 wizard 6 sorcerer) and pick up twinned spell. Then build your dungeon as follows.
Only one entrance (we are going to use the suggestion trap so it would be best use of this option). Then you start with a single room which contains only one staircase leading down into your dungeon (which is a decoy btw). The real entrance is across the room and one of your hidden doors. The suggestion you wanna use is simple. Go down the staircase to find what your heart desires.
The reason you wanna twin this spell should be quite obvious. You have the first spell which allows for traping your enemies. The second is then for protecting your home. So you save time and gold.
For your homedefense you wanna choose the same suggestion set up as follows: Go home. Here is nothing for you.
As your password you may choose your true name and then curse your name so the one who find out your enemies turn into an allip. If you have only a small base you can cover some areas twice with the spell. Because it would be a different guards and wards you can layer effects. Due to the nature of the spell it would be nearly impossible to penetrate your home.
This combo is usable for each villians and heros alike and can be paired with forbiddance and similar spells. Also this spell is everything forbiddance tried to be but isnt.
So yeah. What is there to say other than 10/10.
Have a nice day
AEther
Infinite suggestion hmm? Filled with fog hmm? So I can make the Tom Cruise Scientology sauna?
I just oicked up this spell for us on a boat in a mostly water tavel based campaign and its going to make enemies teying to board us very very fun.
Id definitly set this up with other spells like a stored spell in a glyph of warding. Lots of nasty ways those two go together
So i had a wizard who combined this with demiplane
where's that beginning clip from?
So if I say the password I'm immune to the effects. I assume that includes the fog. So if I'm in the castle, and some bloke walks in, and I've said the password... does that mean the other guy is always under a heavy obscuration (i.e. he can't see jack) but I'm not (so I can see him plain as day)?
Yes
The Homebrew world I want to build has a king who is allied with the head of the local thieves guild. Both the queen and the sister of thieves guild head are powerful wizards. I'm going to have there be a secret passage between the guild heads base and the kings office that allow for secret passage between the two with the doors on both ends illusioned to look like they are not there
it's the instant haunted house spell.
If the spell becomes permanent, the does the password also become permanent? Because then it would only take one person finding out the password and sharing it with others for the spell to become practically useless...you could interrogate someone who knows the password, spy on the area, or even just start guessing passwords you think the caster would have set. There needs to be some option for multifactor authentication.
probably just casting it again and you could change the passcode. I don't think that would break the permanence
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i never heared of this or at least dont remember it
Edit: nvm i remembered
9/10 i love this
lets go a 10 min video! btw Zak DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?
Outside of some of your earlier comments, I don't think so.
@@Zaktact just remember me as one of your first 200 subs :D
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