Props to those who explore male femininity and female masculinity without physically damaging themselves in the name of gender stereotypes. Trans ideology supports gender stereotypes, not the freedom to express yourself.
The comments made by the first speaker are illuminating. She experienced misogyny at a very young and impressionable age (12), when she was told that ‘girls can’t be fighter pilots’. For whatever reason, instead of rebelling against that sexist nonsense and going for her dream anyway, she internalized that misogyny and now ‘identifies’ as non-binary. What a terrible message she is perpetuating to young girls here. She’s almost as bad as that teacher who made that sexist comment all those years ago. I feel sorry for her that she was treated in such a way, but she needs to break the cycle. We are our bodies, we are either male or female. But that doesn’t need to limit what we choose to do with our lives. Sexism says only men can be fighter pilots. Feminism says anyone can be a fighter pilot. Gender identity ideology says anyone who wants to be a fighter pilot is a man. Let’s just stop this regressive nonsense!!
I transitioned, MtoF, in 1993, at the age of34/35. Now, a month from my 64th birthday, I don't make any effort to appear as either gender. Recently I went to a convenience store. My head shaved and wearing a ball cap from uni in the 70s, a man near the gas pumps said, "Pardon me sir". He only saw me from the shoulders-up. I smiled and said, "No worries." When I walked up to the entrance to the building a man,(who saw all of me walking), held the door for me and with a gallant wave of his hand said, smiling, "Ma'am ". I smiled and said, "Thank you, sir." My pronouns are, " Just don't call me late for supper".🤪😁💖🙏💜🙏🤠 I'm just me. A human being. Take me how you are comfortable. I'm fine. 💖🙏💜🙏🤠😁
The first guest who IDs as 'non binary' nails it when she says 'it's personality'. Why then can she not be the female that she is with a more masculine personality? It's what everyone else does. We know there are only two sexes but within each sex are people with a wide spectrum of personalities: females who are feminine or masculine, and males who are masculine to feminine. Like she pointed out - personality.
Thanks for inviting Sall Grover to take part in this discussion. Sall speaks for millions of us who believe that biological sex (which is based on objective & observable facts) is more important that 'gender identity' (which is based on individual & subjective feelings/desires). Sex in humans (and other mammals) is binary and immutable.
This doesn't make sense to me since people are always going to instinctively read you as one sex or the other. This is inevitably going to shape how you experience life and how people socialize with you. If you transition and you don't pass you are going to have a really difficult time. This is why I don't think that it's a thing to be non binary or agender. I also don't think you can just declare yourself the opposite gender, either. At least not without major social implications if you don't pass.
What are the health implications for a child carried by someone who has dosed themselves with male hormones? Seems like children are unconsidered in all this.
This is so sad. I see so much confusion. Most of these people were failed by their parents and societ is now playing social engineering with their lives. They all took the most basic part of being a human being and are now reduced to their sexual preferences and labels. They have been taught to hate being male or female and to simply go with anything else rather than the norm and by doing so they now live very complicated lives that didn't need to be that way. This ideology is hurting people specially children.
This is a very filling conversation, we got a bit of insight from everyone. We can see both confidence and insecurity, sadness and anger, come from lots of the speakers on either side. I like how Wilkins carry his view.
What an insightful and eye opening program ! Bravo and thank you!!! Each and every participant including those who only listened are amazing, thoughtful and beautiful people.
WOW I’ve learned so much watching this segment on such a difficult topic! I honestly & truly believe everyone should just accept love unconditionally & embrace whom ever someone is wants to be & so much more💞THANK YOU so much for sharing this episode & please let us all get along & accept & embrace one another💞
It should be so unimportant to others who a person identifies as. If someone tells me their name is Charles, I'm not gonna call him Chuck, I'm gonna call him by what he told me he prefers-as most would, no? I'm good if Sophie is the choice too, don't care. You do you. Just clue me in if it's not obvious so I don't accidentally insult you with the wrong pronoun. Women can do anything men can do and often more and better and I've shattered a few glass ceilings to prove it. It's just often harder due to extra interference, which shouldn't be the case. Equality needs to stop being a 'should be' and instead be considered a 'must be' so that all people can just be happy and accepted as who they are, whomever that may be without unnecessary or unwelcome opinions about it. My take is that if you aren't in a sexual relationship with them, then it's just not your business beyond asking their preferences in being addressed. It's really that simple. Put yourself in their place and understand that it's hard to deal with idiots who don't think you are as worthy as they are and freaking be respectful of their journey. It costs you nothing. Be a good human. That's something we ALL should have in common. I'm 59 and cis, btw, and my Momma raised me to respect others as they are and appreciate that no two of us are the same, we're all unique, so just BE the unique you that you are knowing that hateful people are inevitable even if you're Mother Teresa so don't sweat it. Just try to stay safe.
Where is this?Must be Australia cuz,My Gosh there's a ton of Our U.S. population that is lgbtqia+ etc.Australia I much Smaller and thays why it's harder for them to find the best drag Queens there.because there aren't very many considering
hmmm.... " i just went along with it! ".... not a big fan of this new " trend".. how did we survive as "only" woman - man for thousands of years.. just wonder. but i guess - what ever makes you happy.
They're conflating masculine and feminine with male and female.
Strange how all these genders still identify as stereotypical through clothing.
Regressive stereotypes are what is driving the gender ideology. That is what this clearly shows.
Props to those who explore male femininity and female masculinity without physically damaging themselves in the name of gender stereotypes. Trans ideology supports gender stereotypes, not the freedom to express yourself.
The comments made by the first speaker are illuminating.
She experienced misogyny at a very young and impressionable age (12), when she was told that ‘girls can’t be fighter pilots’. For whatever reason, instead of rebelling against that sexist nonsense and going for her dream anyway, she internalized that misogyny and now ‘identifies’ as non-binary.
What a terrible message she is perpetuating to young girls here. She’s almost as bad as that teacher who made that sexist comment all those years ago. I feel sorry for her that she was treated in such a way, but she needs to break the cycle. We are our bodies, we are either male or female. But that doesn’t need to limit what we choose to do with our lives.
Sexism says only men can be fighter pilots.
Feminism says anyone can be a fighter pilot.
Gender identity ideology says anyone who wants to be a fighter pilot is a man.
Let’s just stop this regressive nonsense!!
Every time someone says "gender", replace that with "sexist stereotype" (what they actually mean) and then it makes sense.
I transitioned, MtoF, in 1993, at the age of34/35.
Now, a month from my 64th birthday, I don't make any effort to appear as either gender.
Recently I went to a convenience store. My head shaved and wearing a ball cap from uni in the 70s, a man near the gas pumps said, "Pardon me sir". He only saw me from the shoulders-up. I smiled and said, "No worries."
When I walked up to the entrance to the building a man,(who saw all of me walking), held the door for me and with a gallant wave of his hand said, smiling, "Ma'am ".
I smiled and said, "Thank you, sir."
My pronouns are, " Just don't call me late for supper".🤪😁💖🙏💜🙏🤠
I'm just me. A human being. Take me how you are comfortable. I'm fine. 💖🙏💜🙏🤠😁
The first guest who IDs as 'non binary' nails it when she says 'it's personality'. Why then can she not be the female that she is with a more masculine personality? It's what everyone else does. We know there are only two sexes but within each sex are people with a wide spectrum of personalities: females who are feminine or masculine, and males who are masculine to feminine. Like she pointed out - personality.
Thanks for inviting Sall Grover to take part in this discussion. Sall speaks for millions of us who believe that biological sex (which is based on objective & observable facts) is more important that 'gender identity' (which is based on individual & subjective feelings/desires). Sex in humans (and other mammals) is binary and immutable.
This doesn't make sense to me since people are always going to instinctively read you as one sex or the other. This is inevitably going to shape how you experience life and how people socialize with you. If you transition and you don't pass you are going to have a really difficult time. This is why I don't think that it's a thing to be non binary or agender. I also don't think you can just declare yourself the opposite gender, either. At least not without major social implications if you don't pass.
What school in this day and age told a young girl she couldn’t be a fighter pilot? I call shenanigans.
What are the health implications for a child carried by someone who has dosed themselves with male hormones? Seems like children are unconsidered in all this.
Mianne Begger wins the night! For common sense, tact... and elegance!
I always appreciate the thoughtful conversations on this show/channel!
Excellent moderating by Kumi Taguchi! 🌟
Oh shocked that they actually would be disappointed that it is a girl and not a boy. All I need is a healthy baby don't care about the gender..
I am curious about how other animals in the world feel about this. We are biological units, so it has to cross across the animal kingdom.
This is so sad. I see so much confusion. Most of these people were failed by their parents and societ is now playing social engineering with their lives.
They all took the most basic part of being a human being and are now reduced to their sexual preferences and labels.
They have been taught to hate being male or female and to simply go with anything else rather than the norm and by doing so they now live very complicated lives that didn't need to be that way.
This ideology is hurting people specially children.
Thank you for this. This was great. A good variety of people and the interviewer did a good job.
Strange world we live in.
This is a very filling conversation, we got a bit of insight from everyone. We can see both confidence and insecurity, sadness and anger, come from lots of the speakers on either side. I like how Wilkins carry his view.
What an insightful and eye opening program ! Bravo and thank you!!! Each and every participant including those who only listened are amazing, thoughtful and beautiful people.
Yes, the labels are the problem. People crave simplicity. Simplicity is comforting...
WOW I’ve learned so much watching this segment on such a difficult topic! I honestly & truly believe everyone should just accept love unconditionally & embrace whom ever someone is wants to be & so much more💞THANK YOU so much for sharing this episode & please let us all get along & accept & embrace one another💞
Very balanced show, thank you SBS! The ABC could take lessons from you!
Why do you intentionally deprive a child of their father?
crazy world
It should be so unimportant to others who a person identifies as. If someone tells me their name is Charles, I'm not gonna call him Chuck, I'm gonna call him by what he told me he prefers-as most would, no? I'm good if Sophie is the choice too, don't care. You do you. Just clue me in if it's not obvious so I don't accidentally insult you with the wrong pronoun. Women can do anything men can do and often more and better and I've shattered a few glass ceilings to prove it. It's just often harder due to extra interference, which shouldn't be the case. Equality needs to stop being a 'should be' and instead be considered a 'must be' so that all people can just be happy and accepted as who they are, whomever that may be without unnecessary or unwelcome opinions about it. My take is that if you aren't in a sexual relationship with them, then it's just not your business beyond asking their preferences in being addressed. It's really that simple. Put yourself in their place and understand that it's hard to deal with idiots who don't think you are as worthy as they are and freaking be respectful of their journey. It costs you nothing. Be a good human. That's something we ALL should have in common. I'm 59 and cis, btw, and my Momma raised me to respect others as they are and appreciate that no two of us are the same, we're all unique, so just BE the unique you that you are knowing that hateful people are inevitable even if you're Mother Teresa so don't sweat it. Just try to stay safe.
Kim and julie are a lovely couple.
Good programma
Thank you😀!
Big fan of Christian.
Sex/gender is binary. 2 gametes, large and small. If sex is a spectrum, name a third (or 4th etc) gamete.
I wonder if the food that we eat is producing all this "spectrum" ?
There are more differences within the sexes than there are between them.
Where is this?Must be Australia cuz,My Gosh there's a ton of Our U.S. population that is lgbtqia+ etc.Australia I much Smaller and thays why it's harder for them to find the best drag Queens there.because there aren't very many considering
hmmm.... " i just went along with it! ".... not a big fan of this new " trend".. how did we survive as "only" woman - man for thousands of years.. just wonder. but i guess - what ever makes you happy.
I might decide to go back to full-femme, next week...or not.
Either way, I'm me.