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Starting an Electric Car in -40 degrees - Nissan LEAF in Canada
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2020
- This is a repost of a video that shocked a lot of people. EVs are actually better in bitter cold than ICE.
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This is my current 2013 LEAF S but any electric car would act the same way. Most will let you preheat from an app on your phone. Tesla will let you preheat the battery too, which gives it more range.
In EVs electricity has to be used to heat the car. Regular cars use friction in the engine to heat the cab. But since EVs don't have to wait for friction, they heat up right away. There's also nothing to crank or start other than a computer so they always run in any weather.
FAQs:
What is your winter Range?
As little as 50% in -30s weather. Usually about %60 in bitter cold weather.
70% in near freezing weather.
Does it have to be plugged in?
No. The battery, if charged can heat itself to maintain working condition for days if necessary.
Does the battery have a heater?
Yes, it heats itself starting when the temp drops to about -17C. That's what lithium batteries need to work properly. Heat is a much bigger threat to EV batteries than cold.
Does it get warm in the cabin?
Instantly it blows hot air but it's better to preheat the cabin before you get in. I set my car to do this automatically. Based on outside temperature, it knows how early to come on each morning. Even the snow and frost on my windows is gone by the time I leave.
How much does it add to your electric bill?
The average in Canada is $29/month. I suspect it's more in winter not more than $50 or so. We let our gas cars run to warm up as well so that drops their fuel economy. ICE cars lose 16-25% of their range in winter too due to winter gas formulations, lower rolling resistances, dense cold air, etc.
I'm more confident in my EV in winter than my ICE vehicles, one of which is a new Toyota. Just get more range than you think you need if you live in norther climates, maybe twice as much so you never have to think about it.
-James
The fact that the car interior can be pre-warmed or pre-cooled while the car is plugged in, thereby leaving range unaffected, is a big plus for EVs. While Teslas, Rivians, and Mach-Es get all the hype, let's not forget the humble Leaf which was the first mass-market EV of the modern era.
I have the 2019 Kia Niro EV. It's the first reasonably priced EV with good range (240 Miles) in my opinion.
There are plenty solutions for pre heating. I have a gas car with webasto and i can control it via remote 600m away or by phone from anywhere in the world
@@paulsandin1539 Same, i have a diesel land cruiser with webasto (with timer and remote control). And the webasto can be used while driving so it heats up the engine very quickly to operating temp.
It's normal practice at least here in Finland to equip your car with an engine block and cabin heater, that plug in just like the EV. So it's not really any different and you still get the preheated car and 100% range.
@@paulsandin1539 I'm southern guy contracted up North near Buffalo. I'm issued a company car. It's winter. I see people scraping ice from windshields and side glass and freezing their ass off. I turn on the heater an hour before departure all is melted, no scraping. My manager sees this and freaks out. He says." Do you know it might get to 100 degrees in that car with the heater on "? I said " do you know it gets to 120 to 140 degrees in many cars in Texas in the summer." ..:)))
I like how the car's temperature gauge just maxed out and gave up at -30 :)
My temperature gauge maxes out at -10°C, everything below that is imaginary and will never happen!!
Temperature gauges in cars are weird. They do too much computing in figuring out the temperature. In my car, it moves a couple degrees a minute after I start it, until it shows what it thinks is the correct temperature. When stuff gets wet, things get even more weird.
@@roachtoasties It's not so much that they do a bunch of computing for the temperature. It's more the location of the temperature sensor. Most cars have the sensors either infront of the radiator, or near the engine bay. So the temerature in the engine bay can have a large effect on what the sensor is reading. Once you start driving and getting airflow past the sensor, then the sensor will start to give an accurate reading.
Or it wasn't -40 where the car was parked because it's close to the house and wind is blocked, etc.
@@mediocreman2 a vehicles overall temperature isn't affected by the wind. It'll say what the ambient temperature is.
I'm amazed that he can talk so fast and clear even though it's -40 outside.
True I can barely talk at 20 haha
@@micahtrostle1367 ....Jeez i guess im used to the cold then. Sometimes i'd go on my porch outside when its 10-20 out in a t Shirt and pjs just to get a nice breath of air and relax a couple minutes or so, I'd stay comfortable for a good three or more minutes then the cold starts to get to me a little, even when its -10 to -20 out i could still talk and breath fine
@@Dylanstanley5371 Me too i live in finland
@@Dylanstanley5371 your used to it I would think that is why.
Like he said, it gets -30 in the winter were he lives durring the winter, -40 now and then. I have seen it get to -45 a few times in my life in AK. It stayed at -40 each night for a week last winter. This year, it has gone down to -43 at my house for a single night, but the majority of December and January was about -20 at night. You get used to it.
I love how it’s so simple, it’s almost sarcastic. How do you drive it? We’ll press on, and put it in drive. What else would you do 😂
The exact same way how modern automatic petrol cars work 🙈
@@michaelscott8815 Have you ever started a car when it was -40°C? Even if you get it going, the automatic transmission may not work properly. Plus you need to run the car for several minutes to warm the engine up and the interior of the car.
@@my3dviews I did not say anything about those things, my comment stated how pressing a button to turn on a car and shifting to drive is literally the same in an electric car as in a petrol one
@@michaelscott8815 Sure, but he was commenting on what the uploader said as far as starting it when it is -40°C. Which is that you just turn it on. Not the case with a gasoline car at that temperature.
@@my3dviews even if you might be able to turn it on faster, I think the fact that the battery has a lot lower capacity at that Temperature would be the deal breaker for me.
I ve been an automotive electronics engineer in the past 10 years, always hted the extreme weather requirements. Sometimes i think who would live in such a weather?! i'd never leave home if i had to:) normally internal electronics is calculated for -40 to 90. Making things reliably work in such extremes is unexpectedly hard. Displays and backlights hate both cold and hot temps. You're trying to use smaller packages and all of a sudden your beautiful circuit that works perfectly might die at 85⁰C and back to the "drawing board". Tests suck because you need to test thousands of things in different temperatures and you wait for the thermal chamber to reach 40 degrees and the you wait some more time. Measure a thing or two turns out it is not ok then, repeat and..... at the end it is all working and countless hours spent designing and testing, then someone complains that the red of the light on a button is a bit different then a previous model...argh! So, my point is what you see in this video is a huge engineering accomplishment!
I guess it's tough to account for every single potential eventuality.
@@tatumergo3931 Oh .. at the moment you are talking about tanks, but we don't need vodka in cars) and besides, it is not as comfortable to ride in a tank as in a car))
@@e.vasilenko who would be that mad man to waste vodka on vehicles?! Привет из Болгарий :)
@@tatumergo3931 I think real russian cars from the soviet era are good, because there isn't even a single transistor in them. As the old american cars btw :)
@@robertmaxa6631 it is but that's what makes it interesting for some :) now EV and adas are all the hype, but in my opinion there will be good 20 years until we see proper self driving cars for example. For EVs there is another hurdle noone thinks of - the residential area infrastructure. Just imagine 100 cars parked and charging in a neghbourhood, drawing 20-40kW each . This is 2-4MW per neighbourhood... a lot of cables should be laid... and new power substations stations and so on...
I also have a Leaf. I bought it in 2015 and have had it for over 6 years. The range does suck in the winter but it is mostly an around town car and, as you said, has a full tank every morning so no issues, I have never enjoyed a car as much.
Same as my 2015 Leaf Trim S. Range goes down to around 65 (11 bars in the milder Seattle climate) in the winter and about 77 miles in the summer.
If this is the most you have ever enjoyed a car then your expectations are low or you previous vehicles where real garbage
@@mitchellcrane9809 Don’t you have anything better to do than act like a jerk? I’ve also owned a 427 Cobra (original), a couple of Lotuses and other fine cars. Right now this one suits my purpose perfectly and is fun, comfortable and very economical. I love it. 🥰
@@lelandhetrick205 wow so crap on range🤣
i had 3 diesel (90s) cars 2 petrol cars (00s), and this thing that lets you set auto heating for windows and inside car, is like miracle for me, you have no idea how much of work you need to clean windows from ice and heavy snow...
my mom would turn on the heater setting thats facing the window and turn it on and let it sit for a few mins it doesnt take long sense we live in wisconsin so it doesnt get horrible like canadas or nothern part of the state
@@mrfuzzerkins4170 i get what you saying, but old cars needed to drive for 5mins or more to have enough heat to do that, thats why i see this like some kind of miracle when you can preheat car ...
I drive a 2005 diesel civic and I've got defroster on all windows , outside rear mirrors and heating ... I just go outside turn on the car (it starts right away) and leave it there for 5 minutes until i finish my coffee inside the house ... again ... civic , a friend has a 2010 bmw 5 series and he does that from inside the house with a push of a button , so its not something that new
Never heard of Webasto or block and interior heater?
@@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 no i havent
I live in AK, and I have seen it get down to -45 a few times in my life. You just helped calm the worst fears I had about owning an EV. Thank you.
I've owned a Nissan Leaf since 2015 and I can confidently say that it's the best car I have ever driven in my entire life! It's quick and very inexpensive to operate and the only maintenance I had to perform all these years was replacing the tires. Average cost to charge per month: $20. There is now way I am ever switching back to high maintenance combustion engines!
Sounds like absolute bullshit, especially since you can only go about 150 miles on a charge. You must not travel much or live in cold weather.
Hah. That was humorously anti-climactic.
Modern electrics, even if you forget to time it. It will heat up in 2-5 minutes or so, melting the ice from your windows. I run an Ioniq 2017 with heatpump, works great in the cold (Sweden).
PS You can sleep in it for three nights at 20´C inside if starting at 100%DS
Fan vad du ljuger
I live in central WI and I was always wondering how an EV would do in -degree weather. Glad I found this.
As finnish, I can hear the real outside temperature from how the snow sounds below Your shoes... (its never -40 here where I live, -35 is about the max/min it ever gets in here... -25 is the typical minimun in every winter for a few days or few weeks max.)
I could feel the sound of the snow in my nose.
You can also tell at 0:33. That sickening amount of frost. A bare hand will instantly freeze to any metal surface. I live in this same province and I remember this cold snap, it got into the -50s. Blew my truck’s water pump and headgasket at -53 one morning.
You know it's cold when the snow squeaks like that.
@@rich7447 Yup. Me too.
Also, I've *always* hated the way snow sounds at these temperatures. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me.
James, Do another Video When you have to replace the Battery Pack.
When you buy an ICE car, do you ask yourself when and how much it will cost you to change the engine? Well... No more reason to ask yourself the same for the battery pack. There is more than enough info and experience on the subject out there for you to search since the first prius in the 90 and fully electric more than 12 years ago. Not more an issue than worrying about changing you engine in an ICE car.
Nice - I like the preheated bit and effortless get in and go!
I like that timer to warm the car up. Not just for comfort, but because the plastics and other rigid material sometimes break easily if put under any strain when they get that cold.
This is very true! The gearshift grip in my volvo decided to perish in -20F weather a couple of years ago.
Looks like it drives decently in the cold as well. Thank you for putting g this up, as I am looking at buying a used leaf. We get nowhere near 40 below, but do get to around 20 below C, so really great to know.
It drives like it does in summer even at -40. But the range takes a huge hit to heat he cabin, etc. So count on 40% loss or even more.
Get a 2015 or newer Leaf. In 2015 Nissan went to a Heat Pump to accompany the resistive heater. Works beautifully down to about 25F at which point it blends with the resistive heat. Even at 0F the newer heating system makes a difference. In 2015 Nissan also went with the newer heat tolerant battery chemistry. As far as cold weather's affect on range I don't see that much of a hit on range until it goes below 20F. Good luck..........
Yup. But only useful to -25C then it's all resistive heat. Most people don't choose to live in insanely cold places like I do though so it doesn't matter.
@@CleanEnergyShow so what WAS the range on that thing? I'm from Winnipeg and debating a leaf myself. Thanks!
It's doesn't have liquid battery cooling system, so at least they won't degrade as fast.
Very excited to experience my first winter with my EV. I'm also from saskatchewan and got a 2018 focus electric. 150ish kms at highway speeds so far, I'm expecting 100kms in the winter.
More than enough to get me to work and to home! It'll heat up a lot quicker than my old gas car I used as a work commuter.
Plus, a lot cheaper to drive.
Edit: seeing 92ish kms in -30 and colder. Still very warm and comfortable though
Nice! We're in Toronto where it generally doesn't get as cold as in SK, and drive a Nissan Leaf Plus. I love the ability to preheat the cabin, and the range drop in the winter isn't huge. Gas cars also lose about 15-33% of their fuel efficiency in cold temps - people just don't talk about it as much.
I love when 40 below is the same c and f
Here in Northern Europe we've figured out how to preheat our ICE cars in the winter; electric or fuel powered heaters.
It's pretty nice when your old Corolla is already warm when you're leaving to work.
I remember back in the early 90s I had a monte carlo that had a circulating coolant heater in it. it was the best as it would melt the snow off all the windows and engine hood!!! You started the motor and you instantly had heat!
Can't usually pre-heat and or defrost an ICE vehicle in the garage though (unless you raise the door). My EV is set to warm and defrost while still plugged in for about 30 minutes before I need to open the garage door
@@Tron-Jockey Why would you need to open the garage door though?
@@TopiasSalakkaexhaust gases
@@emaaddar5017 Not a problem with electric heaters though.
"...full gas tank with electric car" lol
What is the realistic round trip range in this situation? Fully charged when you leave home, drive to "work", car sits all day in the same range of temps, get in and drive home. What is the max distance you would feel safe you were going to make it home?
Have seen many if not all EVs had their normal range dropped over 50% in cold weather. I simply wonder what to do if they stopped in the mid way, or somewhere charge station is out of service...
What if it's -40, and the vehicle has to sit for 9 hours, when you're at work, without being plugged into power?
Put a tiny fire under it, like in Russia?!?!?
@@martinb.770 Thanks, I guess I deserve that one. Good sense of humor. What I meant was, will it start , and go, at -40, if left unplugged for a day? Battery capacity, is the question.
@@robertmaxa6631 Thing with batteries is: they dont really loose their charging but voltage goes down/inner resistance goes up when cold, Up to the point where the Software decides to not torture the cells beyond a certain level.
I have a colleague with a leaf, he can not drive all way to work 60km in -15 C and below cause of the range issue
@@paulsandin1539 Good to know, thank you.
Yep. I’m glad I got a Leaf. Thank you Carvana!
(Specifically, a Nissan Leaf SL 2013.)
Did u get a new battery in it?
@@mellboyle4181
Not yet. But it’s good enough right now because of 60+ miles and a good few charging stations around town. I can get places no problem.
I love it, Push a button and drive. All that excitement, of what is going to happen, gone in 1 sec.
That’s a HUGE deal in winter over the old combustion engine!
not only old but every combustion engines
What do you mean?
@@paulsandin1539 i mean every combustion engines Diesel, petrol new and old every engine, because its very hard to work for combustion engines while cold outside because cold air have lower density
@@Beniamin2510i don follow your argumentation. I live in subarctic climate and yes the oils are thicker and it runs harder in the beginning, but only when really, really cold. And as long as you have a standing heater or block heater you can avoid it totally
Cold air actually have higher density and more o2 per volume unit, so that claim is false
I have a leaf, what did the battery temperature say? How did it affect your range? I live in the UK so comforting to know that they work in arctic Temperatures
I live in Quebec Canada and my 2014 Leaf's range in the winter is about 1/3 of that in the summer. I still love it though.
Same here, UK
No warning up no nothing 😂👍❤️ the best line I ever heard in 2021
I have a Hyundai Kona EV and live in Southern BC. Our winter is less severe than Regina's. Seldom goes below -20 C here (0 F). Still pretty chilly, though. I keep my car in an unheated garage and don't plug it in just to warm it up. The Kona has a heat pump to keep batteries at optimum temperature; hot or cold. It also functions as the climate control source and by the time I back out onto the street the vents are already blowing warm air (in the summer, cold air of course). By the time I've driven a block the cabin is at a comfortable temperature.
As for battery range, at -20 C I don't see any difference from a pleasant summer's day. In summer I need A/C; in winter the heater runs. Both use about the same amount of power. So regardless of season, range remains at a very comfortable 400 km (250 mi.). Power used to heat/cool the battery pack is about the same regardless of season. And the weight of the batteries gives good traction on slippery surfaces.
Other than the fact my vehicle's fuel carbon-footprint has dropped to zero (BC has virtually 100% hydro power) and its motor is considerably more responsive than the one in the VW Golf I had before, I see little difference in driving an EV. It is as pleasurable and trouble free as any ICE vehicle and thanks to electric motor power response, even more fun.
Love the sound of crunchy snow at -40. People in warmer climates will never understand the pain of your nose hairs freezing together 😂
People in warmer climates also don't understand that snow and ice are not slippery at those kind of temperatures.
I've experienced these temps when I lived in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, and even an engine block heater on an ICE vehicle can't make your commute as comfortable as this. VERY impressive. Just curious though-- what's your range at these temperatures? I would suspect it's under 100 miles... maybe far under?
A 2013 Leaf came brand new with only 75 Miles. So being 7ish years old and in the cold I'd guess you'd be lucky to hit 50 miles.
Still, for many people, this car will meet the use needed no problem.
@@MIA7Xthies he said that he has "half the tank" when it's that cold, so I'd guess around 30-ish miles
Other people: It's -40 degrees outside, how do I start the engine?
This guy: Wait, do you need to start it?
You're on the right track, having the car warm up the cab to set point while still on charge. The battery only has to maintain set point, rather than having to discharge extra energy to bring it up to set point. That can add 10 miles to your range in the coldest part of winter!
Minus 40!? Respect, man!
Good stuff,
I used to live in Saskatoon and I really don't miss that freezing weather..🥶🥶
All the best from UK
My Windstar 98 is from canada and have mod's for winter and cold start, but that EV is WOW
No warming up, because you already used energy to warm it up on the timer.... Neat insight into cold temps, but would have been nice to see the overall insights of the day, seeing as it was so cold.
Thanks for this striking demo.! What we also need to know is the limitation on normal running temperature range. My 50 kWh Renault Zoe does around 200 miles, but drops to 160 miles at zero degrees C or colder.
I own the older Zoe with the 40Kwh Battery and in the summer i get arround 170. But in the winter its horrible. Just arround 110 Miles. And we dont even talk about charging speed. Tough i would never turn back to an ICE engine. Electric is just so simple and yet so fun!
That’s one positive of electric cars but the pre warmup cabin feature probably warmed the batteries as well. So it’s the same thing as starting your gas car let it warm up until you go out to drive it. Only difference is with electric you are not polluting the air warming your car up
Oh no the sound of the snow at -40.. funny how you learn to notice how snow sounds different at different temperatures. But good to know they work just fine at -40C
The car shows -30C. So it starts, but what is the range? I don't remember my diesel cars had problems starting in that temperatures, so in a way it is considered to be normal for modern cars which sold in markets with such climate. It is not supposed to be particularly amazing. Also, driving a front wheel drive car in that snow is fun indeed, but I decided to done with that fun quite a while ago and all my cars are always 4x4.
I'm assuming range is halved at that temperature, judging by what was said in the video
@@2ebarman Yes that would make sense. But also it is a 2013 Leaf, which means its range is not high at all even in ideal conditions. On top of that, consumption is also rising considerably at that temp, maybe doubled, especially if you want to switch heating on. In the end, I would seriously doubt it would be enough to drive it work - one way maybe :-D
I take my Leaf skiing, the range is about 10% less than in summer, perhaps 20%, but the seats are warm. And it gets a a descent amount of power back driving back down the 20km mountain access road at the end of the day.
OK, and what was the range at -30 C ?
Pretty straight forward, thanks. :D
Did you get the turtle light? I always get the turtle light when it's really cold even at full battery.
I've been complaining how cold it is here in Michigan lately since it went from mid 80s straight to 40s and it's cold asf, while it's-40 in other places😅. I think I'll just enjoy this 40 for you guys
If i understand this rigt. You start with a half full tank ? There is no way you get full efficiency in cold weathers but for shorter travels or if you can recharge often that may dont matter. But this is not working for people living outside the cities.
Don’t expect the same driving range as experienced in warm summer weather........good for driving within a city and close by communities.....
Awesome weather, thanks :-)
Plug a block heater in a combustion engine and it starts just as easy in the cold, heats up quick & cold does not reduce your miles/tank.
In my old ice I had increased consumption in winter (7.2l/100km in summer vs 9.4/100km in winter average)
@@HanYou2 It takes more energy to move a vehicle through snow and slush so that may explain your decrease in fuel efficiency.
No body is taking about how much it raises your power bill and what you will do when the power grid goes down
Question. Whyd u buy an electic in such a big country. Most people who buy electric are inter city dwellers or in tiny countries.
Believe it or not Here in Tucson Arizona 2500 ft Elva we get hard freezes (27F for 3 hrs or more) 1 to 3 time a year and this video is even helpful to us thanks
Hi from Edmonton! Well if any salesman ever sold me an electric car, whether you meant to or not lol . . . .
Its nice that its warm and nice inside. But what about all the bearings all the suspension elements? When you drive out like you have everything as you think watmed up. First you have to take it slow, just because you still have all the elements down below, and they also need t heat up before they work at their optimal conditions....
My next car will probably be all-electric, but for now I'm driving a Toyota Avalon Hybrid. We get some very cold days here in Colorado, but with its 244 volt starter, the ICE engine goes from not running to running almost unnoticed, just like on a warm day. The engine does run continuously until it's making heat, instead of cycling on and off, so mileage is lower in cold weather, especially on short trips, but because the engine is so small relative to the size of the car, it heats up a lot faster than a standard ICE vehicle. It's also nice to be able to "charge" it with another 600 miles of range in only 90 seconds.
We have a similar experience with with our Toyota Prius hyrbrid. I test drove the Prius Prime in -14C and the engine was coming on. Most reviews were done in 'cold weather' that was actually above freezing. The last generation of Chevy Volt was heated entirely off the battery. Or at least you had that option.
and the 2 ugly realities are : in cold weather you cannot go on any trips out of town; and if several thousand people in your small city plugged in their electric cars all at the same time; it would crash the grid. hmmm
One of the big problems to own a ev car is that not every landlord is willing to put a charger near your rental home, not even in the garage if u have one.
Everything seems Stunning until you check your range 😬
yeah i know I have an i3s and she has zero problems in minus 40 weather even when she's not plugged in because while the 12 volt is responsible for turning the car over all it has to turn over are a couple of high voltage power relays and that's it she's on the big battery power after that it's not that she won't have problems in minus 40 weather it's that the 12 volt battery would have to be really really bad for that to happen or the 12 volt dc to dc transformer failed due to age and use which does not happen very often other then that she will not have issues starting up in winter as her 12 volt battery is kind of over kill for what it has to do to turn the car over even in that cold of weather
I love gas cars with all my heart, but that statement truly is i love c a r s in general lol because as nice as an ICE car is to hear start and warm up, being able to just get up and go regardless the weather is also super awesome!
don't know why youtube recommended me this but what a cool video!
I live in a Mediterranean climate in NorCal, so I’m not fearful of this type of weather lol. But it’s neat to see none the less
Holy jesus that's cold as hell. How does it handle on the snow
My dumbass thought the thumbnail was just a weird Tesla.
What’s your average range, and what was it at -42?
His Leaf would be around 110km summer and probably around 60km at -42.The Leaf is a compliance car was never designed for long trips. They are a great city commuter car. They are Super cheap to own/operate,We own a 2015 Leaf and a 2019 Tesla Model 3 SR+.
@@MHdollrevievs The Leaf is not a compliance car since it was designed from the ground up as an EV.
@@miloe436 The Leaf is just a Versa with an electric motor and a battery with some minor body changes to improve aerodynamics. Nissan has known for over a decade that not having battery thermal management is leading to an early death for the battery packs in warmer climates and they still suffer from “Rapid Gate” we’re the battery packs gets to hot 🥵 and charging is slowed down. We own a 2015 Leaf it’s super cheap to own and maintain but it’s just a city commuter car.
@@MHdollrevievs Being a short range car or having no active thermal management doesn't make it a compliance car. You have no evidence that the Leaf is based on the Versa and it shares few interchangable parts. This car is not defined as a compliance car, you can look it up on wikipedia or other sources.
@@miloe436
By this article I think, the 1st Gen. LEAF based on the Versa:
“Eventually, in 2008, the aptly-named Electric Vehicle test line began, the first one being a test mule based on the Nissan Cube (commonly referred to as the EV-1). This was the first true LEAF-like EV and was the car most responsible for the LEAF as we have it now.
The next year, the Electric Vehicle went into a second-generation, this time based on a Nissan Versa and referred to by Nissan as the EV-12. It's pictured above and is visually the most LEAF-like and was what eventually lead to the LEAF being based on the Versa's platform and chassis. That same year, the first 2009 Nissan LEAF was introduced and began production late in the year for a 2010 sales launch.”
Nice one James.
feels so trippy :D its almost too easy :D
i had a 2001 BMW 5 series that had this cabin "warm up" feature that would run off the battery.
Being in Australia I never had the need to use it.
At -10C, my i3 charges only at a maximum of 3kW, if I don't turn on the battery heaters. Acceleration is also derated at these temperatures.
turn on battery heaters?
@@mrt2895 I do it on purpose charging slowly, and only use heaters when I absolutely have to. It makes no sense to half your energy efficiency, by keeping them hand warm all the time. I could insulate the battery box, there is plenty room inside all around the modules in an i3, as my driving style never needs cooling, even in summer.
@@Tore_Lund not sure what you are trying to achieve. whether to cut on cost of charging or prolong lifespan by charging slowly. but im sure batteries dont like being charge
at -20 ambient and internal.
hence heaters installed to worm them
@@mrt2895 lol worm them
This will be a great commercial video for Electric cars who lives in these sort of temp! Nissan better pays you off ;) wink wink.. thanks for sharing through!!
Muntii on cars,
Been watching your RUclips channel
Are you planning on reviewing a electric cars anytime soon
@@eliasarif7926 I might. Stay Tune. Thanks for watching my channel.
@@MuntiionCars
Have you considered electrifying your e30 mate
@@eliasarif7926 good question. I have looked into. I do have secret temptation and desire for EV conversion. However, cost of conversion and living with converted electric don’t add up for my journey with cars.
@@MuntiionCars
That’s a good point
But as you show in your video, you have a very strong bond with that car and thats clear for all to see which no money in the world can buy
Cheers mate, you just convinced me to buy an electric car, even if it's a Nissan 2014
Looks like impressive safety benefits in extreme weather. As long as you don't loose your home electric grid.
Kudos for Nissan then. I remember one winter in Toronto ON (maybe 2016) with the windchill we also had like -40. It was interesting. I remember I considered my balaclava the best investment I ever did in Canada lol.
but, how far can you go in this climate? 60 kms, 200 kms,???
When you get to where you are going can you plug it in or does it just sit outside for 3,6, or 8 hours?
With synthetic oils my car will start at any temperature and warms up reasonably fast.
An electric vehicle will not do so well if left unplugged for one night.
Synthetic oil doesn't help when your starter battery dies because it gets too cold, which has happened to me so many times I can't count.
Electric vehicles can keep their own batteries warm just with the energy stored in the battery, unlike an ICE car that has to save that power to crank the motor. You can run an EV with the heat blasting in -30 C degrees all night and only use about 10 percent of the charge in the battery. See for example: ruclips.net/video/VPudpniOmxY/видео.html
EV warms up incredibly fast whatever the temperature. It doesn't rely on the engine getting warm enough. It either has a heat pump or a resistive heater.
@@slash196 I replace my battery every 6 years @ roughly 180 bucks or so. A good battery will not freeze like a worn out one. I start in -32C no problem!
Your batty when it does fail is going to cost you half the price of a new EV...
If you go of short trips - it's perfect
The Leaf is said not to have any temperature management for the battery.
Does this one have one as an option from Nissan?
Very good report too.
In cold weather, if you leave the car for a long period (eg: parking at the airport for 2 weeks) the 12 volt battery may not have enough energy to power the on-board computer. Without the on-board computer, there can be no heating of the Lithium Battery. Anyone have an opinion on possible damage? Thank you for this video!
What if electricity is down tho, like what happened in Texas a few years ago where they only had there combustion engines to help them stay warm during a cold storm.
You can always have a backup diesel generator around.
Well, there's one good thing about having an EV in a cold or mild climate and that is that the battery life will be much longer. Battery degradation slows way down in a cold climate.
That's right and it's especially true for my particular nissan leaf. I have a problematic battery before they fixed it a couple months after my car was made in 2013. If my car were in Arizona baking in 100 degree heat every day the battery might have degraded fast. Most other cars have an active cooling system to cool the battery in those situations. So they use a bit of power to stay cool the same way they use power to stay warm enough to be operational in winter.
Note basic engineeing . Battries don't work when cold, and loose power. Any battery is a chemical reaction. Chemical reactions don't work as well when cold.
@@51WCDodge - Thanks Signor Volta. Teslas have been tested down to -40F and work just fine thank you. Li-ion batteries don't like to be charged at less than 25F and will suffer from capacity loss at such temperatures, forfeiting up to 50% of their range, but they do still function just fine. At such temperatures my diesel truck wouldn't start at all and my gasoline car had less than a 50-50 chance of starting. An EV will have severely reduced range BUT IT WILL ALWAYS START. And the heaters work well at that temperature as well and usually within 3 or 4 minutes. That's a lot faster at that temperature than my ICE vehicles.
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@@Tron-Jockey are you sure batteries suffer a capacity loss in colder temps or does the car just use up more power to heat up the batteries and cabin?
@@uberpantz8320 - Yes Li-ion batteries can lose significant capacity at sub zero (F) temperatures. I'm not sure how the optional Leaf battery heater works as I don't have it. However, I suspect that the additional amps being pulled by the heater will negatively affect remaining capacity and reduce range even more. Using a battery heater while you're charging the battery itself will allow you to start off with more range but if parked at your destination for a while the battery will get cold and lose capacity.
very detailed answer. Thx
Look for for some dead wood. Nothing to punky. You will have to dig a pretty good sized hole under the floorpan of the car. Got some matches? Bow drill not gonna work so great in these conditions... Remember, battery temperature gotta come WAAAY up to get that thing started.
LOL your gas tank in an electric car is half full.
At 2:03 it feels funny driving past someone who has to heat up their car before leaving!
...not if they use a block heater...and most do when living in cold climates like this....had a diesel work truck plugged into a timer...warmed up before it was needed, started right and had plenty of heat by then...now if the truck had a remote start, then it would be fully defrosted as well...
What happens if not plugged in like if your working and no plugs around.
When the snow squeaks like styrofoam you know she’s a tad nippy!
im not gonna laugh i was laughing hard at the end "u start it and... drive, u just drive"
love this!
Do people feel the difference between -30 and -40 as easy as they feel the difference between 30 and 40?
Doesn't get any easier or better than that
Is the range affected by the weather, or does the heating/cooling system for the battery give it the normal range?
Range is impacted. Expect 30%-50% reduction depending on the car. Newer cars with newer technology may experience the same decrease as a gas car though. The future for EVs is bright
"no warming up, just drive"
Can you preheat using the 120v charger?
leafs already have bad range so 220 is 110 and 150 is only 75 miles? is the range deuction just with the battery heater on or is it also the cabin heater?
The battery heater doesn't take much power. It's the heater that takes most energy. Also the chemistry of the battery is not able to store the normal amount of energy.
What happens when the power goes out?
the tank in a electric car is half when it's cold but you start with a full tank in the morning because it's charging but then it's still fully charged to the half so it's a half charged tank.
When the battery warms up, the range increases. So it's like a half full tank that fills up to full as you warm it up, but just drains faster when the internal heater is running
So what wormed the car up and hydro must be free
how long till batteries have to be replaced ?
Your cars battery doesn't have thermal management. That's the only problem with the leaf. It isn't cooled, nor warmed. Therefore it's damaged prematurely a lot more then let's say, an ioniq, kona, i3, e-golf, id3, id4 etc