Overland Tire Carrier Build Step 2. Ultimate Land Rover Discovery Build Episode 17.
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- This is part 2 of my Overlanding Tire Carrier DIY! A lot of thought, planning and design goes into a fabrication project of this size. Today we knock out as much work as possible to get this Land Rover Discovery 2 off-road in style.
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Loving the mami vice, daft punk, 80s music.
Thanks! Me too 👍
Yeah this video was bumpin
yeah. WAAAAAY better than the "bro beats" on most other auto channels.
This is one of the only YTer’s that I like right off the bat. Learned a ton from this man! Wish I could drop my 100 series off with him 😂
Thanks! I appreciate the support!
I like the gusset kit and other accessories that were prefab...I learned also.
On a convoy security mission in Afghanistan we went through a small village in the morning where the street was clear and found they had built a three foot tall speed bump when we came back through, at 55 mph. Snapped a much larger spindle than you have there off of the lead truck who hit it at full speed and we had to figure out where to stash that spare so we could continue mission. I think your spindle is plenty strong, just mind your speed over the speed bumps. :)
I love how the tire carrier acts as "security" for the traction boards. It's little pieces of brilliance and forward thinking that separate the good from the great. It's all in the details.
dude, i’ve been watching you since your early bleepinjeep days and i just gotta say every single piece of your work is crazy. not just your fab work but your videos and editing are outstanding. it’s been really cool to see your channel grow and i’ve got a feeling you’re gonna follow in fred and dave’s footsteps and have your own tv show at some point. awesome disco by the way, love following this build.
Putting a padlock on the clasp is a good idea. As a locksmith I would recommend getting a good quality padlock. One that has pick resistance. A lot of padlocks are pretty easy to pick. You get what you pay for.
Haven’t watched yet, but I still gotta like it right when I see the upload.
I do this to every video of Nate's bc I already know it's going to be great
Thanks brother 🤘
Always!
I completely agree as well!
Man that's an Adam Savage level belt sander right there!!
Dude. This thing is next level lol. I'm very lucky the owner of the company is a fan of the show. I will be starting some new projects with this including camping knifes and even some overlanding axes 👍
@@DirtLifestyle awesome, can't wait to see those projects!!
@@DirtLifestyle in that case, why not reach out to Alec Steele to do a collab? He may be in England atm, but his friend is still in Montana, and he does own a Cherokee. I think you both could learn a lot from the other. I personally would love to see that video!
Been building the generic JKU overland build. Fridge, 270 degree awning, rooftop tent and trasharoo. I love my rig but you’re making me very jealous, absolutely love your creativity and drive! You’re inspiring me to be more creative and hands on.
Thank you! I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the videos. I think there is still alot of room for innovation with the "typical" JK overland build. I bet you could come up with some ideas that no one has used in one of those builds if you brain storm enough. It's at least a great excuse to get out into nature, sit around a campfire and bounce ideas off of good company. Either way, thank you very much for watching and for the positive comment!
As soon as you started talking about how to make things more comfortable I knew we were on the same page. I've had the same idea for a long time, glad you're knocking it out so I can copy the idea Nate!
Adding an "open" locked position for any swing out carrier is a must. It prevents any accidental body damage in off-camber situations 😅
my tire swing has a drop down table with a slide out dish washing basket and an awning that opens up above it all. so sweet
Interesting that you like using a combination of square and round in projects. The Chinese call that Yin and Yang which is always used in their gardens and architecture. They believe using different shapes creates balance and looks better.
Only just starting watching your videos. Enjoying all of them so far. I like how you explain every step of what you're doing.
Pete. Staffordshire, UK.
Much appreciated man! There is alot of wisdom floating around in different philosophies like this. It's interesting the wide variety of applications that benefit from ancient wisdom. 👍
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No worries. Totally agree.
I'm definitely going to use your drivers side spare wheel carrier idea. I have a 1988 Land Rover 110 with the same V8 in that's probably in your disco. Is it the 3.9 fuel injected? I pulled my V8 from an old range rover to put in my 110.
Gonna need more than a padlock in tacompton...
Also think you should drill out some holes in your "accessory mount" tube. Kinda like the jackstands so you can just use the pin to help secure whatever you end up building to put there. Plus side is then you can have a few different interchangeable accessory options as well.
Lol
Right on, this is super cool. I have a big table that slides into my tire carrier, basically the swing arm has two square tubes and the table has two pegs that slide into them to hold it
Swing arm set up makes lots of sense! If I recall correctly, the tailgates open to the passenger side so they aren't opening into traffic. Not so much a problem on the trail but something to keep an eye on if in the city 👊
Latching to the door carrier transfers your sag weight to the door hinges, certainly not as much weight as the original tire, but it may limit your door weight carry for the future. Plus, as you stated, the bumper and body shift differently, but you have more than enough off road experience to know what you are doing. I wouldn't have tried that approach for fear that long term it would cause wear, so I appreciate being able to take advantage of your skill.
I've often wondered why tire carriers are not driver side mounted, for exactly the reasons why you are doing yours this way. It gives you the back side of the carrier as a cargo/cooking area. Because I've never encountered one, I figured there must be some downside I'm unaware of. The obvious ones don't seem all that bad. Harder to open the back door as you have two swings now, and if in a parking area, you have to be far more careful of opening the tire carrier. I really can't wait to see how you finish this because I'll change my plans to driver side swing based on your experience. Your channel gives me confidence to attempt builds I've been scared to try, as they are different than most, so thank you.
The only downside i see is if your using an awning you have to walk around the tire carrier to get around it, putting you out in the weather. Or if you are in a smaller parking space walking around the tire puts you in the brush.
I don't think its really a problem, not sure id do it, a table is movable.
Put a support or latch from the tire carrier to the stock mount area so the standard vibration of off road driving doesn't let the carrier flex into that back window. Just a thought.
I noticed the rubber band on the paper towel roll. Glad to see someone actually reading using advice in the comments. Even if it's something so small.
I’ve got a 85 ram charger which I’ve got tons of plans but now I have another one, your tire carrier. Thanks much.
With my first child I didn't have the chance to try this but now with the second, this has been a terrific discovery! It does indeed distribute the baby weight in a better way. I do feel like there could be more weight on my shoulders but I might need to play with the straps more and see if that improves.I absolutely recommend this to every single parent out there!
I wish my door opened out like that, but it opens upwards. I really love your door mounted kitchen!
This looks pretty beefy. Gonna be sweet to see the end result. The coolest latch I've seen for a bumper tire carrier so far has to be a bumper I saw where the guy pulled out the door lock from a truck and welded it into a little frame on the bumper. You swing the carrier closed and it auto latches just like a door and pull on a knob and it opens like a door. Was pretty slick.
I know people have tons of opinions on this stuff, and here is mine. I love the stuff you integrated into the factory spare tire mount location but I would have definitely tried to create a way to make the swing out latch to the bumper itself. A reinforced plate coming off the bottom of the box tubing that’s just big enough to mount the latch and the the hook on the vertical surface of the bumper. Just my thoughts but either way amazing job all around.
Hey Nate, you should have that bumper wrap around the quarter panel to help keep the body damage down
Your very intelligent.... You solved some very serious problems very simply and all from an idea. Respect!!
Hey Nate, how the latch works is through mechanical advantage (like how a visegrip works), meaning it needs to have that angle in the latch portion. The tension allows for the latch to want to stay locked. Just wanted to throw that out, throwing on that padlock would def prevent it from coming undone, for sure.
I just purchased the same EMS kit 2 weeks before your last video. Glad I waited to start my build! I am building off the drivers side also, barn doors on my Burb so sides don't matter that much. But I want to keep the tire out of sight as much as possible so it's going far drivers and jerry can going on the passenger side. Keeps the bulk of the weight closer to the hinge to help prevent breakage from leverage. I was also planning on going 180* out and having a table flip down.
G'day Nate from Down-under ! As I'm the 300th comment, looks like you're on the way towards a 300Tdi conversion soon ? Think about a cantilever hinged fixing of the spare tire bracket with gas struts, so it's less painful removing and attaching the 37" rubber at ground level, instead of hoisting 100 pounds - 6 feet off the deck.
I have that same latch on my Jeep gate. It has popped open a few times on me. I would recommend a "keep shut" through pin of some form
with a swing out tire carrier being used as part of your camp kitchen, you will want a spring pin at the hinge to lock that carrier open at 90º or 180º. wind and gravity will possibly ruin your cooking experience.
Yep. More details next Sunday 👍
How about some gussets on the back side of the tire carrier hoop? Even going out for an inch or two at a 45 on top of the bumper would help forward/back motion. You are inspiring me to finish my tire carrier, thanks!
More details next Sunday 👍
Great video my dad and I built a tire carrier on a 77 model full size blazer years ago that held a 34” monster muddier on 10” wide wheel we made it outta stainless steel. To bad there’s not a way to cheaply raise and lower the spare tire so as to help with the center of gravity until you need to raise it up to clear an obstacle
You have absolutely outdone yourself Nate! Not only with the fabrication work, but with the cinematography! I kept thinking the video was going to end but it just kept going. Great job man, keep up the awesome content!
Thank you! I'm glad you are enjoying it!
Make sure the corner of each side of the bumper can carry the weight of the vehicle. With aftermarket bumpers that mount only along the center trailer hitch, the bumper is at risk of bending up when you hang the ass-end off a ledge...and you will, these are real ass-draggers.
Incorporating outer mounting support from the corners to the frame will serve you well.
When you paint your creation, may I suggest you use an ANI 150 Mini spray gun, Summit Racing Epoxy, and Summit Racing flat black. It's a lot easier than using spray cans.
Wow, awesome idea. Even though I was looking at it with a semi-stink-eye, I knew I needed to be patient until you explained the reason why that carrier was opening towards the driver side. And boy, was I glad to sit tight.
Interesting positioning of maxtrax, is less common being great. The few trips I put maxtrax up high they worked a treat for your position when driving on the way to and from our destinations in mad city/holiday traffic. Was a bonus when driving point for followers when naving unfamiliar urban terrains...
Working with Destaco's clamps in my engineering job, I have found that they typically make a lockable "hook" version of every clamp that would probably be enough to solve your popping open issues you talk about around 13:00. Could just swap it out for the locking version.
If you mount the latch so the bail angles inward instead of outward, the latch breaks over the bail and it should latch securely.
Seriously, how does this channel not have more subs!?
Lol hope it will keep growing! Until them I will keep learning and pushing to make better content 👍
No joke. Nate's is the highest bang for the buck fab channel I know of.
@@DirtLifestyle Nate, please keep doing what you're doing, showing the details and avoiding crazy zooming in/out & overly fast jump cuts. In my mind that's where the TV guys go wrong and YT guys--like yourself--get it right. We're here for the details and you, Sir, deliver every time. Thank you for all you do for all of us! All the best, @BranchAndFoundry
First, let’s discuss the fact that you are the most talented guy I do not know. Lol. Most people I know use safety mechanism. Check out Rig’d mega swings as they have a cool secondary pin that also doubles as a lockout pin...as 37” is never cool swinging at you🥴. Again thanks for sharing and truly humbled by your skill set and I have tried to mimic many of the items you have built on my Rigs. Amazing project as always!
Thanks Nate!
Thank you for watching 🤘
One other way to secure the tyre mount would be to use the Defender/Series Tailgate Antiluce Drop Lock, smaller and will take a padlock for security (would need a couple of L brackets on the end of the bar/upright.)
I own a jeep YJ and building a back bumper as I get time. I had plans to mount the tire on the right. Tailgate has to be picked up to close. I enjoy watching you and take in your ideas.
Thanks for watching! Good luck on your YJ bumper build 👍
I was thinking, also, that the latch you welded on has a deeper latch, and even if the lever were to trip, the bar would have a much more difficult time coming out from behind the latch, but you're putting a lock on it, but if someone ever forgot to put the lock back on in a hurry, it still would be difficult to come out from behind the latch you welded on. You have spent a lot of time, not to mention labor and material, building this to be an overland vehicle. You've really done some great work on this, Nate!
Not trying to steal your thunder Nate I did have this idea myself but to hold the other side of a cover to roof the area off, loving the build.
Did a fold down aluminum table for my XJ (all purpose rig) and everyone who sees it is amazed they didn’t think of it. Nicely done
Tire carriers are mounted on the passenger side so they don’t swing into oncoming traffic. I have an early Bronco with a tailgate. The OE tire carrier mounted on passenger side, and yes I watched it swing open and almost take out a sign when I first got it.
I did break the U-bolt on the destaco clamp once so i put my safety latch separate of the main latch as a backup if the main breaks. Hasn't broke since i added the backup but it gave me a little piece of mind. Looks good.
I built a fold out/hinged table on my swing out bumper 5 or 6 years ago on my old 4runner, it was great having all of the extra "counter" space. I didn't really have any issues having it permanently attached to the swingout, I'd highly suggest permanently mounting it so you don't have to deal with putting it on and off every time you hit camp.
Nate, on the overland table add a slide in option to make it even longer without taking up more space
I prefer the swivel on the driver side as well because I have my camping setup on the passenger side...if it opened towards the passenger side it'd be in the way.
Thanks Nate, even just watching the process you take in these videos helps a guy out for when he is next in the shop.
Thank you for watching! I'm happy to help 👍
@Dirtlifestyle For the latch, you can get a 2 step safety latches on McMastercarr. Some are rated for like 2000 lbs and you have to press a small lever before you can unlatch. I used one on my buggy masters project for school to hold a 500 lb battery pack
As always, another fine job. This video, with the pivot on the left side has inspired me to do something similar to the camper I pull behind my Jeep.
The camper will get a left side but also wrap around the corner pivot which will allow me to add our tent around the perimeter of the back of the camper. The Disco is looking great. Thanks
Thanks!
I would repurpose a hood latch or a door latch that uses a pin to latch instead of what you’ve got. Because of you concerns of the body flexing and the latch coming undone. With a enclosed pin style latch it won’t be able to wiggle out when the body is flexed out.
For a safety back up latch, have a spring loaded pin on the swing arm that interfaces with a hole in the bumper. That way if you are ever off camber and something happens to the latch (or someone yanks it) the swing arm won’t fly backwards. You’ll also hear the pin hitting the bumper if the latch comes loose.
Have you thought about adding a backup cam? You could easily put one in the center of the spare now that your back window is filled with a carrier
most rear bars/wheel carriers built in Australia have a metal tab coming down from the swing away arm that lands against the rear bar itself and then has an over centre latch to go over it and clamp it down. that'd be an easy way to have the carrier secured to the rear bar rather than body
I'm looking forward to video in about a year's time about how terrible bearings are when used in spare wheel carriers. You actually want a brass or delrin bush that can't get crushed like the bearing cage. The lever action and twist is not what bearings were designed to handle. Most of the time the receive loads in one plane, now they get it in all three. The bearing on a swingarm rarely does more than a 90deg rotation, 120deg at most. Then it remains stationary when closed. So it keeps getting hammered in the same location and they all fail. I've had to replace quite a few on my carriers on a hilux and land cruiser 76. I enjoy your channel and keep up the good work.
Thank you, Nate. All coming together! The mark of a good fabricator is the ability to adapt and change. Same thing for woodworking, which I know more about.
Keep inspiring! 👍🤘👊
I couldn't agree more! Thanks for always bringing a positive comment buddy 👍
I was gonna suggest a padlock as well... glad you thought of that as well
for the secondary latch safety on the tire carrier, have you thought about doing a simple drop pin( like seen on exercise machine on the weight stack) through the swing arm into the actual bumper? this will allow you to quickly engage and disengage the extra safety precaution with in seconds, I would also recommend running a thin cable through the pin and have permanently attached to the swing arm to prevent losing the actual pin.
Fab a deeper hook on the swing latch. weld it in, then use tractor pin as secondary. p.s. i should wait till video is over before i comment.
From one disco owner to another put the least amount of weight on the back door as you can, the hinges will thank you!
Looking at the bumper last week I was thinking the gap between the bumper and the door bottom was tight. I was hoping he opened it and made sure the door didn’t drop and drag across the top
The reason all DOT approved bumpers with a tire carrier's on the US market swing to the right is to ensure it doesn't swinging out into on coming traffic if for any reason the locking mechanism fails.
It is interesting no one does a drivers side swing. When I built my bumper and carrier I contemplated it for the same reasons you did. I ultimately decided not to for easy access loading and unloading things in the back of the Jeep, since it’s my daily driver/work vehicle etc.
I wish I had your Knowledge and talent. I really enjoy watching you create.
Thank you!
Dude your fabrication skills are wicked. Love this channel. You got the best DIY off-road channel on RUclips!
Much appreciated! Thank you for the positive comment 👊
@@DirtLifestyle Your welcome! Keep up the good work!
Hi Nate, excellent work as always.
Can I suggest 2 things experience says (spent 29 years with Discos) rear door hinges can just about cope with a standard tyre but rust on the pillar top/bottom is very common.
Also here in the UK D2 rear chassis turns to Swiss cheese and is one of the main reasons these get scrapped and you can purchase a rear 1/2 chassis.
I opted not to get a rear bumper with a tire carrier because they all stick out way too far. Sticking out that far drastically reduces departure angle and I didn't want that much weight hanging out that far and eventually ripping apart the unibody on my XJ. The bumper I went with ties into the frame rails where the hitch mounts. Honestly, I had hoped for more ground clearance but I might end up cutting some of the lower section off or something. Since I can't make a bumper myself, I had to go with what was available and cheap. Pretty happy so far though with my decision.
Don't forget to add a light to illuminate your tire carrier table work space.
Hey Nate. Loving the build so far. Just wanted to point out one detail you might not have thought of. The fact that you mounted the swing mount latch to the chassis rather than the bumper has a potential problem. If you get bumped from the back, or back-up into something, all the force will be directed to the door and inevitably smash it. Kind of defeats the purpose of a "bumper". Just my two cents. Cheers brother!
I had the same problem with the EMS latch. Its made to lock over 90 degrees. My solution was to simply clearance the handle portion of the latch to let the red handle swing a little closer to my swing out. Problem solved and the latch no longer pops open.
If you are worried about the latch coming lose, you can get the same snap action latch that has a locking feature built in. Check out McMaster Carr.
Nate you should run an off road / overland shop, your engineering and ideas are exceptional good.
Awesome bumper and tire carrier...and the wierd music wasn’t too bad either..lol
I understand the lock on the latch and I think it’s a great idea for security and to keep it from accidentally opening, but it looks like the latch has some adjustment with the nuts that are on the u-shaped piece, close to the handle. If those can come off, does the latch come apart? Might be worth welding those nuts in place to make the crack heads work a little harder if they do want to steal anything.
I was thinking about this as well. The reality is anyone with the right tooling could get this tire if they wanted to. That said, I'm trying to decide what level I want to get to before I decide that if they want it that bad they can have it. Lol. At the end of the day, 99% of the time this will be locked in my shop or parked in my back yard
Nate, you need to come up with an led backlight behind the tire carrier for when you are working in the kitchen.
I mean, you don't need to, but man it would be nice. Appreciate you man.
I have some ideas that reflect exactly what you are saying. I ordered the lighting from baja designs, I'm just waiting for it to show up 👍
And thanks for watching brother 👍
haha, I would have said "polyurethanized" too. Bumper looks great, and I agree there aren't any dimple dies, it can't be Nates!!! XD Just a couple things about the tire carrier. 1) I think you can lower that tire about 6" to 8" and drop your center of gravity a little. 2) It might look really cool if you can tilt the tire forward towards the vehicle a bit. maybe by bending that round tube somewhere to give it a little angle, not anything serious, but just a little angle towards the vehicle might look cool.
Nate, you could build a latch into the polyurethane support that allows it to close but not open without pressing the catch down. (like a door latch)
I love how you figure it out as you go and change on the fly. I learn something on every Video,
Thanks!
You need some way to hold both door and carrier open. Camp sites aren't always level. With one swinging one way and the other the opposite they will always be closing on you.
It would be nice if your tire carrier had a stop pen and could swing all the way around the rig
Next Sunday 👍
Awesome videos, you do a great job at teaching us how to do things, showing us different ways of doing it, thank you
The fact that the back opens sideways is really cool. This build has made me look at land rover prices here in Portland. Of course as cheap as they are if I bring home another project I'll have to factor in cost of divorce 🤣😅😅
The neverending bumper build. So what. Keep going with it as ling as you need to. Thanks for sharing and putting so much thought into it. Looking forward to part 3.
When you're on the trail you could throw a carabiner in that padlock hole for easier access or put a pin on a cable so its always right there
The best mod would be a rear door that swings around further
I know I’m late to the party, but they do make a trigger style locking clamp like what your using... just another piece of mind
So if you are putting a table on the swing out, even though it seems super sturdy, have you thought about adding a quick release pole near the latch so when using it it does help relieve any extra stress on those bearings and spindle?
Love the music
Thank you! I'm getting roasted about the music on this one so I'm happy to see comments from folks that enjoyed it.
A bumper of some sort to keep that tire carrier from swinging to far and smashing into the vehicle. Love your work, great content and inspiration.
looking good so far
since ur tire is a bit higher up, while ur on dirt roads or rock climbing. that tire has some much more leverage its may sway and hit ur rear door on the truck. push and pull on it vigorously and see how it looks.
Maybe try hood latch style lock for a back up to the latch for the tire carrier.
Crazy idea, to make the wheel be able to be opened either left or right?
put two hinges and then build some sort of Heavy-duty latch that can connect and disconnect, and you can choose which side to open it with. Then you only open it to the right normally and when you want to use the tailgate you open it to the left.
No idea how to do that though...
I've been wanting to build a cook station just like this for YEARS. Great minds think alike :) stoked to see this fantasy come to fruition
I knew the second I saw you were mounting the carrier on the driver's side, oh ya counter space. Awesome!