Agreed, I was a bit disturbed when I realized during the movie that the unmistakable charm and charisma actually had me liking the guy if I didn’t really know him. But that goes to show the excellent performance by De Niro Nice Whitechapel profile pic btw
❤Note : the FBI agent Thomas White was a Mason, the Doctors was Masons, the Judges was Mason's . They government made a law -- that was in fact highlighted in the movie The Great White Father--- law was that a mixed race child with native american parent could only be court ordered allowed to Enroll in Tribe if the native child father was a white man... so if a white woman married a native tribal man the children would not be allowed for tribal enrollment. ❤
Martin Scorsese used CGI effectively in "The Aviator " and it was first time that he fully embraced CGI for one of his films. He used in the flying sequences involving airplanes.
I think what makes this movie so effective is instead of telling you what happened to the commuity you actually get to see their lives as theyre going through it.
I literally was glued to the screen the whole time didn't even move. For me it tops Oppenheimer for the year. Although I still think Murphy should get best actor, I think deniro should win over RDJ. Gladstone better win
This movie blew me away. Scorsese is one of my favorite directors and he did not disappoint. An emotional and devastating story with impeccable acting and storytelling.
I was waiting for your reaction to the radio drama scene, recapping the events of the story. I thought it was a brilliant device, adding an unexpected layer to Scorcese's vision.
Terrific film and well worth the running time. This is not really a criticism of the film, but the story of the Osage and the community that victimized them is truly enormous and the criminality expands beyond one “evil” man or one conspiracy. There is a scene where Burkhart is brought to a parlor room filled with family and influential and powerful members of Oklahoma white society that attempt to brow beat him to recant his cooperation with federal agents. This scene is one of many efforts to allude to the fact that collusion, murder, and theft was perpetrated by vast parts of the society and that there were not dozens but literally hundreds of murders that took place. Hale was just the tip of an iceberg that went deep. I encourage folks to read the book, and in particular, the last few chapters deal with the legacy of the era. One big correction is that Earnest Burkhart did not die in prison; he was released, sent back to prison for theft, and then pardoned in the 60’s. He tried to reconnect with his family and did so to a small extent with his son, Cowboy. A telling and powerful part of the book is one of the family recounting that Earnest wanted Cowboy to spread his ashes on Osage country after he died. Cowboy kept the ashes and instead of honoring Earnest’s request he eventually dumped the container angrily over a bridge. In the end he lost everything due to his crimes.
Beautiful movie, the opening with the funeral and burial of the peace pipe as the Osage are removed after another trust with the White man is broken. Tears
Just watched this movie yesterday and man it was devastating and sad to watch, the wolves scene at the end was a terrifying reveal of events and I gotta say thank you for covering this movie it definitely needs to be talked about and I’m glad such a powerhouse as Scorsese wanted to tell that story, Reminded me of Tulsa which I learned about through Lovecraft Country 😭 This and Oppenheimer are the most imoortant stories told this year I think it should’ve gotten some Oscars
At the end during live play they said Ernest got out of prison and moved back to Osage country. He didn’t die in prison. he lived with his brother in a trailer. But it’s more crazy that Hale got out
Can anyone explain why Ernest took some of the poison? From my understanding I thought he 100% believed the insulin would help her. But then in the scene when he put poison in his whiskey, he realized what was happening. Then, at the end, he didn’t want to admit that he knew because he knew too late.
Can anyone tell me the meaning of the fly that Earnest keeps swatting off his face? Does that signify that Earnest is such a pile of crap that flys keeping landing on him.
@@SuperWhofan1 that’s because Leo is so dedicated. Flies show up on screen in lots of films, plus they were on location in the summer so I bet they were everywhere haha
Been a fan of your guys podcast since 2020 when I heard you guys were filming your killers of the flower moon podcast and were going to have it posted for Monday I ran to my podcasts this morning to hear it straight away keep up the great work ☺️
For all the people complaining that the movie was too long I felt like it needed to be that long everything in the movie needed to be in that movie and I loved every minute of it but I’m used to going to the movies and watching Long films
People say they they probably won’t watch this again, but I might because there’s a lot that I missed. But instead, I might just read the book to gain a better understanding
I enjoyed this review so much. I can’t wait to see this. Having surgery next week. So, therefore, more than likely I will wait to stream on Apple. Y’all make me wish I had a twin😊!!!! Every interview Gladstone has regarding this film you just can’t stop watching her.
the last 2 hours of the film sidelined the Osage people when the story should've been focused on them. I need to rewatch it though because people are saying its done on purpose but im not too sure
I wouldn't say they were sidelined. They were being taken advantage of by Hale and his men, and at the end of the day the story had to shift to the crimes and the investigation eventually
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_the film was not concerned with the Osage’s plight and the terror that was being wreaked upon them. They truly were sidelined, I mean during the murders they’re essentially depicted as walking dummies who could not defend themselves. Aside from Molly, we didn’t see their characters, their beauty, and why it was tragic to lose each and every one of them. The two Osage that get the most characterization aside from her are depicted as shallow drunks. It’s clear to me that Scorsese was not the man to tell this story, although I believe he tried his best. On top of that there is very little criticism of how these American institutions allowed this to happen, and the fact that Hale served only 18 years in prison for the conspiracy to kill over 20 Osage…
Lily Gladstone (Mollie) would have accepted Leo DiCaprio (Earnest) back because as she was lying in the bed dying she sees the owl, as you all mentioned. After seeing the owl she hallucinates (Robert DeNiro) William Hale. In that hallucination Hale intimates that he’s killing her. So, she either knew or had a strong sense that it wasn’t her husband killing her per se, but he had to own up to it.
While I didn’t flat out love this movie, mostly from it being too long in my opinion. This was still a great movie. Loved the performances, especially DiCaprio and Gladstone, and the build up to the investigation (again, even if it took a little too much time to get there). I will not be surprised to see this win Oscars. And I think it certainly deserves to.
Leave room for Ridley Scott's Napoleon. We have Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon coming up in November. So for best actor it will be Barbie, Oppenheimer, Killers of the Flower Moon, and Napoleon.
Just because a film was made from one of the greatest directors of all time doesn't automatically make it a masterpiece. This movie was bloated, unfocused and way too long. This will not go down as one of Scorsese's classics. Oppenheimer is much better.
Made me want to watch it! You guys should review another Robert De Niro film, The Deer Hunter :) there’s not many great videos on it. Would love to see one!
❤Note : the FBI agent Thomas White was a Mason, the Doctors was Masons, the Judges was Mason's . They government made a law -- that was in fact highlighted in the movie The Great White Father--- law was that a mixed race child with native american parent could only be court ordered allowed to Enroll in Tribe if the native child father was a white man... so if a white woman married a native tribal man the children would not be allowed for tribal enrollment. ❤
William Hale is one of the most evil and intimidating characters I've seen in fiction, and he was real.
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Agreed, I was a bit disturbed when I realized during the movie that the unmistakable charm and charisma actually had me liking the guy if I didn’t really know him. But that goes to show the excellent performance by De Niro
Nice Whitechapel profile pic btw
❤Note : the FBI agent Thomas White was a Mason, the Doctors was Masons, the Judges was Mason's . They government made a law -- that was in fact highlighted in the movie The Great White Father--- law was that a mixed race child with native american parent could only be court ordered allowed to Enroll in Tribe if the native child father was a white man... so if a white woman married a native tribal man the children would not be allowed for tribal enrollment. ❤
Martin Scorsese used CGI effectively in "The Aviator " and it was first time that he fully embraced CGI for one of his films. He used in the flying sequences involving airplanes.
Looks great
It’s insane how many studios were fighting for the rights to this book.. would’ve thought it would’ve been for more than $5mil
This film blew me away absolutely incredible performances so happy to see a fellow Montanan on the big screen. Incredible performance by Lily.
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I think what makes this movie so effective is instead of telling you what happened to the commuity you actually get to see their lives as theyre going through it.
Exactly
I literally was glued to the screen the whole time didn't even move. For me it tops Oppenheimer for the year. Although I still think Murphy should get best actor, I think deniro should win over RDJ. Gladstone better win
Same!
Who is RDJ?
@@teresatestrake4639 Robert Downey jr
@@teresatestrake4639 Robert Downey Jr
I like Killers ahead of Oppenheimer
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I think Oppenheimer is better, but both are great
Really grateful for 2023 that has given me Oppenheimer and killers of flower moon
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This movie blew me away. Scorsese is one of my favorite directors and he did not disappoint. An emotional and devastating story with impeccable acting and storytelling.
He’s a titan of cinema!
I was waiting for your reaction to the radio drama scene, recapping the events of the story. I thought it was a brilliant device, adding an unexpected layer to Scorcese's vision.
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I also recognized his voice. Glad to know others did too!
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LEO IS TAKING THAT GOLD STATUE HOME...
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Terrific film and well worth the running time. This is not really a criticism of the film, but the story of the Osage and the community that victimized them is truly enormous and the criminality expands beyond one “evil” man or one conspiracy. There is a scene where Burkhart is brought to a parlor room filled with family and influential and powerful members of Oklahoma white society that attempt to brow beat him to recant his cooperation with federal agents. This scene is one of many efforts to allude to the fact that collusion, murder, and theft was perpetrated by vast parts of the society and that there were not dozens but literally hundreds of murders that took place. Hale was just the tip of an iceberg that went deep.
I encourage folks to read the book, and in particular, the last few chapters deal with the legacy of the era. One big correction is that Earnest Burkhart did not die in prison; he was released, sent back to prison for theft, and then pardoned in the 60’s. He tried to reconnect with his family and did so to a small extent with his son, Cowboy. A telling and powerful part of the book is one of the family recounting that Earnest wanted Cowboy to spread his ashes on Osage country after he died. Cowboy kept the ashes and instead of honoring Earnest’s request he eventually dumped the container angrily over a bridge. In the end he lost everything due to his crimes.
Beautiful movie, the opening with the funeral and burial of the peace pipe as the Osage are removed after another trust with the White man is broken. Tears
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Just watched this movie yesterday and man it was devastating and sad to watch, the wolves scene at the end was a terrifying reveal of events and I gotta say thank you for covering this movie it definitely needs to be talked about and I’m glad such a powerhouse as Scorsese wanted to tell that story,
Reminded me of Tulsa which I learned about through Lovecraft Country 😭
This and Oppenheimer are the most imoortant stories told this year I think it should’ve gotten some Oscars
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At the end during live play they said Ernest got out of prison and moved back to Osage country. He didn’t die in prison. he lived with his brother in a trailer. But it’s more crazy that Hale got out
Oh right!
Just like the end of Wolf of Wall Street. Just because Hale was convicted didn’t mean he stopped being rich and well connected.
Can anyone explain why Ernest took some of the poison? From my understanding I thought he 100% believed the insulin would help her. But then in the scene when he put poison in his whiskey, he realized what was happening. Then, at the end, he didn’t want to admit that he knew because he knew too late.
I think he wanted to feel what she was feeling to understand what it was doing to her
Catholic guilt, probably. That’s a prevalent theme in many of Scorsese’s movie.
I thought he wanted to know for sure if it was actually poison. He doesn't ever know who to trust.
Also the possibility of him knowing it was poison and trying to do a whole murder-suicide thing with his wife which ultimately failed?
@@otakukoneko oh that's interesting. I didn't take him for the suicide type but he does like the easy way out.
She needed to remove him as a beneficiary. Simple.
Can anyone tell me the meaning of the fly that Earnest keeps swatting off his face?
Does that signify that Earnest is such a pile of crap that flys keeping landing on him.
I’m guessing it wasn’t planned
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_Thanks for responding. It felt part of the movie not only by the sound quality but Leo’s reaction.
@@SuperWhofan1 that’s because Leo is so dedicated. Flies show up on screen in lots of films, plus they were on location in the summer so I bet they were everywhere haha
Musicians in amazing roles 1883
Been a fan of your guys podcast since 2020 when I heard you guys were filming your killers of the flower moon podcast and were going to have it posted for Monday I ran to my podcasts this morning to hear it straight away keep up the great work ☺️
That’s amazing! Thank you 🙏
Everyone who havent seen Scorceses After Hours isn't a Scorcese fan.Right?😢
I thought RDJ was a lock for best supporting but DeNiro may give him a run for his money
For sure
For all the people complaining that the movie was too long I felt like it needed to be that long everything in the movie needed to be in that movie and I loved every minute of it but I’m used to going to the movies and watching Long films
Absolutely
I covers a huge history of a people and deserves the time to develop the story.
Like Sergio Leone said “a movie is only long if it’s boring.”
Great video. Definitely share a lot of your takes and opinions.
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People say they they probably won’t watch this again, but I might because there’s a lot that I missed. But instead, I might just read the book to gain a better understanding
I enjoyed this review so much. I can’t wait to see this. Having surgery next week. So, therefore, more than likely I will wait to stream on Apple. Y’all make me wish I had a twin😊!!!! Every interview Gladstone has regarding this film you just can’t stop watching her.
Good luck!
Great episode, Loved the movie. De Niro was incredible! De Niro spotlight!?
Great idea!
He didn’t get the Batman audition 😂😂😂😂😂
the last 2 hours of the film sidelined the Osage people when the story should've been focused on them. I need to rewatch it though because people are saying its done on purpose but im not too sure
I wouldn't say they were sidelined. They were being taken advantage of by Hale and his men, and at the end of the day the story had to shift to the crimes and the investigation eventually
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_the film was not concerned with the Osage’s plight and the terror that was being wreaked upon them. They truly were sidelined, I mean during the murders they’re essentially depicted as walking dummies who could not defend themselves. Aside from Molly, we didn’t see their characters, their beauty, and why it was tragic to lose each and every one of them. The two Osage that get the most characterization aside from her are depicted as shallow drunks. It’s clear to me that Scorsese was not the man to tell this story, although I believe he tried his best. On top of that there is very little criticism of how these American institutions allowed this to happen, and the fact that Hale served only 18 years in prison for the conspiracy to kill over 20 Osage…
Lily Gladstone (Mollie) would have accepted Leo DiCaprio (Earnest) back because as she was lying in the bed dying she sees the owl, as you all mentioned. After seeing the owl she hallucinates (Robert DeNiro) William Hale. In that hallucination Hale intimates that he’s killing her. So, she either knew or had a strong sense that it wasn’t her husband killing her per se, but he had to own up to it.
Exactly
While I didn’t flat out love this movie, mostly from it being too long in my opinion. This was still a great movie. Loved the performances, especially DiCaprio and Gladstone, and the build up to the investigation (again, even if it took a little too much time to get there). I will not be surprised to see this win Oscars. And I think it certainly deserves to.
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Is this Scorcese's The Searchers (1956)?
Absolutely! Great point
That’s one of Scorseses fav movies
What disappointed me was how few there were in the cinema.
That’s so sad
Yeah when I saw it on Sunday there were maybe 10 people total. Like 5 couples n me lol
@@travisgray8376 wow
I didn't rate this film, I thought it was very basic. I don't understand the hype. Maybe I need to come back to this down the line
Leave room for Ridley Scott's Napoleon. We have Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon coming up in November. So for best actor it will be Barbie, Oppenheimer, Killers of the Flower Moon, and Napoleon.
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I loved this movie 🔥
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Grandi regazz!! i really love what you're doing with this podcast (read it with Italian accent)
Grazie mille!!!
killers of GAZA is it the same people that wanted these native people not to move forward in life like here in cape town and all of Africa
Greetings from Belgium 🇧🇪
Hi!
Gentlemen. Excellent deconstruction of a modern day classic👍🏻
Thank you!
Just because a film was made from one of the greatest directors of all time doesn't automatically
make it a masterpiece. This movie was bloated, unfocused and way too long. This will not go down
as one of Scorsese's classics. Oppenheimer is much better.
Dexter definitely started airing in 2006. Not sure where you got 2009 from.
I bet Anthony was high
Made me want to watch it! You guys should review another Robert De Niro film, The Deer Hunter :) there’s not many great videos on it. Would love to see one!
Heaven's gate (1980) directed by same director Michael Cimino
Ohhh we love that one!
@@travisgray8376 absolutely
Agree with you!
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Loved the review but i think Emma Stone has more acclaim for Poor Things, so i think she wins or Gladstone
Can’t wait to see it!
Does this movie crack the TOP 10 Scorsese Pictures?
I’d say for sure, I do need to watch it again
NOt sure Eric Roth wrote Mindhunter :P That was Joe Penhall
I many House Of Cards sorry
Yeah he was a producer on that! (written by Beau Willimon)@@raidersofthelostpodcast_
After Hours 😢😊😊
Oppenheimer was def all hollywood and hype
Nahhhh Oppie is still top in my opinion
Hey, boys, reviewing a film should only take 15 minutes. Your gushing over this flick takes 2 hours. A bit overdone.
This is a podcast, long format conversations available on audio platforms, it’s not just a little review
Deniros acting was terrible. Same as he’s done for years
You guys laugh twice as loud as you talk, and my mother is trying to sleep. UNSUBSCRIBED!
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This movie was horrendous and boring. I hated every minute of it
❤Note : the FBI agent Thomas White was a Mason, the Doctors was Masons, the Judges was Mason's . They government made a law -- that was in fact highlighted in the movie The Great White Father--- law was that a mixed race child with native american parent could only be court ordered allowed to Enroll in Tribe if the native child father was a white man... so if a white woman married a native tribal man the children would not be allowed for tribal enrollment. ❤