What's My Line? - Van Heflin; Steve Allen [panel] (Jan 19, 1964)
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2014
- MYSTERY GUEST: Van Heflin
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Steve Allen, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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Great to have the dream team panel together again.
My favorite 4 panelists. Love how Arlene always has pockets on her clothes.
Mine too.
Van Heflin was one of the greatest actors ever, it's a shame he's not better remembered by younger folks.
I think the only movie I ever saw him in was AIRPORT with Bert Lancaster.
@@lllowkee6533 B-u-r-t
Oscar winner. Van the man.
@@lllowkee6533watch 3:10 to yuma
@@lllowkee6533 you never saw Shane???
Van Heflin’s sister, Frances Heflin played Mona Kane Tyler(Erica Kane’s Mother) on All My Children from January 5, 1970 ‘til her death in the spring of 1994.
The first guest reminds me of my Grandmother who worked as a Secretary at the C.I.A. at the time show was on.
First time I came to and cared more about the first guest than the celebrity mystery guest.
Van Heflin a man of class from yesterday's Hollywood .
one of the worst toupees I have seen.
The first statement in this episode is that Dorothy was making public appearances with Joan Crawford at this time. Dorothy and Joan Crawford were very close personal friends. According to wikipedia, Crawford was so distraught by Dorothy's death that she did not attend the funeral and publicly stated that she wanted to remember her as she had been.
LBJ's secretary was very poised and charming.
It's astonishing how much younger and prettier Arlene Francis looked in 1964 than she did in the early 1950's! How could that be? I was around at the beginning of this great show, and always loved Arlene, -- her voice was enchanting, and her manner always gracious and exceptionally lovely --, but she DID seem OLDER fourteen years before this show took place. Amazing! Wish I could hAve seen her in a play?
Franco Aragosta i think it had a lot to do with her change from brunette to blond and hairstyle.
Glad to know I'm not alone on that though
I think it was better make-up and hairstyles.
Plastic surgery, more than once.
@@marthagill8336 doubt that, they weren’t that skilled back then.
Ms. Whittington is mentioned in AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME, the recent book about the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
That’s so cool!!
classy lady....and "well put together" indeed, as Arlene says.
There was a lot of flattery in this episode: Arlene praised Bennet Cerf as a great head of Random House, Bennet praised John Daly as a 'gardenia in the buttonhole of American television' and John Daly praised President Johnson whose secretary was the first challenger. I miss Fred Allen - he would have cut through that oily language with a subversive comment.
That poor girl probably went to church after the show to beg the Almighty's forgiveness for the whopper lies she told about LBJ. Johnson was well known as one of the nastiest crudest most loathsome men ever to be president
After the way Johnson betrayed the men on the Liberty and his policies re: the Vietnam war, it was indeed bizarre of Daly to praise that traitor Johnson.
Van Heflin's acting style and personality fit well with a certain type of character and he played those roles well. He was great in the original "3:10 to Yuma" with Glenn Ford. And of course with Alan Ladd in "Shane", one of my favorite Westerns. I'll never forget him as the airplane bomber in "Airport" with Dean Martin and Burt Lancaster either.
With Joanne Woodward "count three and pray" is one of the best Western , too
Let's not that forget that amazing psychological western, 3:10 to Yuma in which he played opposite Glenn Ford, Another wonderful actor!@@kenangandulu2103
This is interesting. LBJ wanted it to be known that he had hired an African American secretary (the first in White House history). He apparently wanted to do it in a less obvious way than a press conference, so he had his staff contact the WML producers to set up this appearance. (Source: Wikipedia)
It goes to show the cultural importance WML had in its heyday! It was wonderful to hear the warm response she received from the audience.
That is interesting-- also interesting that no mention is made of her race in the show. How did you stumble on that info at Wikipedia?
What's My Line? I think if it had been 1954, it would have been mentioned, but in 1964 it wouldn't have been political correct anymore. New times knocking at the door..
SuperWinterborn Gary would know best (Father!) But I don't think anyone's race was ever referred to on WML, especially that of a Black person's. Maybe Asian or something else, but I've seen a lot of this show and I'll bet the only time you ever heard the word "negro" was when John would appeal for "The United Negro College Fund" if that. Thinking about it some more, when Marion Anderson was on she was treated as a great lady (and a standup Black person as well) but I'd bet no reference was made as to her race. If it were that would be the only time, I think.
Joe Postove I used the wrong word. Instead of "*would* have been mentioned", I should have written "*could*" Does it sound better now? ;D
SuperWinterborn Joe Postove I tend to agree with Joe on this, except with respect to his thinking that I would somehow know best on any of this. ;) Thinking in today's terms, race would be trumpeted in every single media appearance or mention; she'd have been known as "the first African American woman to serve as secretary to the President". WML stayed far, far away from anything that could be deemed controversial, as anything to do with race certainly was in 1964. The only direct reference I can remember ever being made to race on WML was by a contestant, not the cast, the highly uncomfortable time that the old lady store detective talked about having caught a "colored woman" shoplifting (I can't remember which show it was in, but I'm pretty sure it was from the 1950s).
First time that Lyndon Johnson got mentioned on WML since 22 November 1963
Immediately following a discussion of birdseed, at ~15:55 we get a brief clip of a commercial that asks, "Why did your last diet fail?" Timing is everything.
It's great to see Steve Allen back on the panel - and just as great, if not more so, to see Dorothy Kilgallen sober and back to her sharp self. Very, very good show!
can you think of an episode that shows her tipsy? I'd like to compare.
@@scottsmith7419 try the first two in Jan, 1964
She was NOT a drunk...all on the panel drank before the show and sometimes after..did you SEE the last episode...drinking and smoking for all was quite common at that time...and actually cool..sometimes they would drink a little more, lother times a little less..Dorothy was no different than anyone else. .I can't hardly understand why everyone picks on her and her alone! So nonsensical Brother !!!
They were ALL a little loaded on the prior episode and all often are
@@gailsirois7175 As you admit she drank. With her schedule she took sleeping pills. She got a little carried away and ODed. Unless of course it was suicide.
NO other guest panellist gets a cheer like that than Steve Allen. I'm clearly not alone in thinking he was the best outside the main three.
You are indeed not alone in that regard.
He’s great. I like Martin too
it's called gambits & if notice he rarely got laughs if he wasn't the 1st one asking questions
What's My Line? was always enjoyable when Steve Allen was on. It was enjoyable at other times, but for sure whenever he was on.
I agree- Steve liked to add bizarre comedic twists, every time the camera was on him.
If the first guest was in 2024, she would be described as "The first BLACK secretary to an American President," making it all about her race .
I noticed the same thing about Arlene.The pay was very generous: about 10x the typical pay. So after this regular pay, she would have been ablle to create an image team: hair, face, skin, makeup, style resulting in the improved image.
She definitely had major help.
Dorothy also improved her image using the same resources. She was always brilliant.
They should have given Joan Fairfax Higgins a full segment. Not only beautiful to look at but poised, and very interesting in her own right. She played piano and accordion, arranged her own music and on top of that she was a pilot who had her own airplane. She also had quite a musical career.
They did, but the 11PM News interrupted that segment.
It would have been funny if Steve had introduced Arlene by just saying "next". I was laughing at the thought of that:)
This fabulous show reminds me of NPRs "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me".
Bennett Cerf was born 1898 and many of the guests were born 1890s and some 1880s.
It’s hard to believe.
Why? Bennett was only 66 in this episode. Are you saying 66 is super old?
No, I don't think I meant that , rather that they were born in late 1800, like my grandparents . Bennett died at 73 which is too young as I'm older than that now and I'm all broke down with arthritis. All my grandparent lived to their 90s, so I guess you could look at it from many angles..?
Another point was , I think , we were so enjoying a show mostly full of people born in the 1800s instead of silly teenagers.
Shows are so silly or vulgar now, here in the 2000s I cant stand to watch them!
@@RonGerstein
We know so much more about LBJ now than we did then!
Vincent Fitzpatrick Indeed we do. And most of it not too good !
war profiteer
It's been a few years since I last commented about this episode. This was the first time I looked up Van Heflin. The only movie he was in that I've seen was "Til the Clouds Roll By", but I now know I grew up watching his sister Frances or Fra as she liked to be called as Mona Tyler mother of Erica Kane on "All My Children" from 1970-1994.
Van Heflin co-starred with Alan Ladd and Jean Arthur in the greatest Western movie of them all: Shane. The villain was played by Jack Palance, who was the MG a few years before this episode, and Brandon de Wilde (also the MG some time in the 50s) played the son of Ladd and Arthur.
A great Western indeed, quite agree with you.
Van was great in the movie “Patterns”. Watch it free here on RUclips.
At the time Van Heflin was appearing in "A Case Of Libel" which ran from 10/10/63 to 5/9/64 for 242 performances.
At the Longacre Theatre. The three most principal cast members were played by Sidney Blackmer, Larry Gates, and Van Heflin. Others in the cast included M'el Dowd (Audra Lindley replaced her in February, and remained in the cast until the show closed) and John Randolph.
The play was directed by Sam Wanamaker, with sets and lighting designed by Donald Oenslager and costumes designed by Ann Roth.
"A Case of Libel" was, by the way, the last Broadway play/production that Van Heflin appeared in. (His Broadway debut was on 17 October 1928, as Junior Jones in the comedy "Mr. Moneypenny"; he was billed as Evan Heflin.)
Van Heflin's nephew is film director Jonathan Kaplan (whose mother, Fra Heflin, was also an actress. Kaplan"s father, Sol Kaplan, composed music for films, and bravely refused to "name names" before a House Committee in the late '40s or early 50's).
I have no problem when Bennett rules out that a challenger is not related to someone famous with the same last name. But this time he asks the final challenger if she is related to a fictional character. They were already short of time and he wasted some of it with that question. How can a real life person be related to a fictional character?
To give credit to Bennett, however, earlier in this episode his question to the first challenger as to where her hometown was located helped the rest of the panel go down the trail that she worked for the Federal government.
Meanwhile, over 3,600 miles away, somewhere in Paris, France, something amazing had happened two days ago:
The Liverpool group The Beatles was on tour in Paris, when suddenly, they got the telephone call that changed their lives forever: "I Want to Hold Your Hand", their 5th official single, and the first American release from Capitol Records, became their first no. 1 American single. It took three weeks for the record to reach no. 1 on the Cash Box Singles charts.
And thus, American Beatlemania, as well as the British Invasion in general, was born.
And there is a great new biography of the Beatles called 'Tune In' by Mark Lewisohn. Its the first of a three volume series. The first one is very good.
druidbros And you can expect to see me mention The Beatles a few more times for the next few episodes.
The first time this show mentioned them was on 2/2/64.
THANK YOU! I always thought so too, and i was just 18 when they first appeared on the scene,
I can't believe Bennet didn't make a joke about Mr. Seagal and seagulls.
That orchestra leader was so charming. And Van Heflin seemed like a real gentleman. Many of the actors and actresses were not only talented, they were polished and refined - in stark contrast to who we have today.
if social media had existed & those who were news finders weren't as discreet as they were back then your opinion would be a wee bit differnt ie Joe D beat the you know what out of Marilyn
The first guest sure took on Jackie's way of dress and hair style, a good sign of the times.
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But they weren’t. Glad to see LBJ go
On the show previous to this one, John promised to look into the Banana "seed" question and report back, but he made no mention of it during this show. He's usually pretty good with follow up on such issues.
They were all a little loaded on the last program...doubt if he remembered
Cool, Gerri Whittington was from the same town I seen t my childhood in.
Was in the best western of all time SHANE 🇺🇸🖖
Van Heflin was great in Shane & 3.10 to Yuma.
Given Dorothy's line of work, I think it very likely that she had seen the President's secretary at some point in her news reporting or Washington socializing.
Mr Segal looked quite like Danny Thomas
My Favorite Star Would Be Van Heflin.
Heflin seems like a nice down to earth man .
Grandissimo Van❤
I was born exactly 29 years later!
No one could have foreseen that in 1948, a film would be made in which six future WML MGs and two additional guest panelists (and a few who were both) appeared. It was MGM's "The Three Musketeers." Hard to imagine Van Heflin in a costume drama. The other future MGs were Vincent Price, June Allyson, Gene Kelly, Lana Turner, and Angela Lansbury. The future guest panelists were Gig Young and Keenan Wynn.
Bennett asked if Van Heflin’s play was caught up in the new law aimed at people scalping tickets at outrageous prices. About that time, I was a juror in a case related to this law, and learned what a scurrilous business it was, but we ended up a hung jury. I don’t know if anyone was ever convicted under it.
That's interesting. I'd be interested in hearing more about it, although maybe this isn't the proper forum? I guess I'm not very knowledgeable about ticket scalping, but it would appear on the surface to be something difficult to enforce?
There were a number of techniques, including buying tickets well in advance at the official price and then selling them at the door at much higher prices when overflow crowds showed up. In this case, it was someone in the ticket office who was selling the tickets at high prices and pocketing the difference. I don’t remember the details of this case, but it was an 11 to 1 vote in the jury.
@@scottpardee6303 Thanks! Tickets in advance makes sense, but ticket employee hoarding for profit is unacceptable.
Scalpers are needed
Miss Whittington died on the same day as LBJ's Supreme Court nominee Thurgood Marshall.
What a sad coincidence. Here is her findagrave memorial: old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=85611559&PIpi=56061405
I want to see the commercials too LOL
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Bennett obviously enjoys saying "John Charles Daly." I think because it's so clearly Irish, and because of the singer, John Charles Thomas.
Johnson loved single women secretaries! 🤣😂🤣 he was notorious with his secretaries
6:08 Bennett Cerf: "Have you anything to do, in any way, shape, or manner with the armed services?" And the contestant says NO. I'd think that working as secretary to the Commander-in-Chief of the armed services would merit a YES answer, particularly given Bennett's qualification "...in any way, shape, or manner...".
That's always a judgment call on the part of the "modewator" so as not to lead the panel down the wrong path to their own destruction. It's actually doing them a favor. Otherwise, they'll waste all their guesses on the Army, Navy, Marines, etc
I believe because she's an administrative person in the executive branch, she's not part of the military despite LBJ 's position. She's "just" a civil servant (as was I for 36 years).
I need seed for my small parrot 😂
The female challengers are always dressed so beautifully -- did the show provide their dresses, or did the contestants wear their own clothing?
Yes
Van Heflin and Bennett Cerf both died in 1971.
This is the second time in recent days that Dorothy has asked John to repeat Bennett's question. Is she working on her column during the show?
Bald spot alert at 11:27 on John Daly!
Did anyone know this radioshow Van Heflin and Arlene Francis had done together?
There there seem only a few episodes left. I 've been listen to number 1 and 2. Seems a mix of thrill and family entertainment
Sabine Beyer Asks Me About Actor Van Heflin Everyday And Every Night?????????????????????
Sabine Beyer How's Van Heflin Born?
Sadly what was once considered polite chivalry would today be labeled as SEXISM. Those were way better times.
People are offended by their own shadows today. Very weak links who won’t survive what’s coming
@@dinahbrown902 You got that right. Those lovely people are turning in their graves & glad to be dead.
@@parkzed3855 For Sure
I'm not sure that was polite chivalry.
Talk however you feel, you don’t have to follow the crowd. Be Yourself
what was dorothy all excited about and then passed on her next turn
Bad Wig on Van Heflin
In your face!
Ms W, how difficult is it to cover for LBJ when he’s off to see one of his lady friends?
Her duties were of one of several secretaries to the President, and she never had any responsibility to "cover" anyone.
Miss Whittington was actually already one of LBJ’s many on-going affairs. Check out “America’s Untold Stories” entitled The Ladies of LBJ
Joan Higgins was very pretty just as John said. But is she in Lawrence Welk's league?
Yes, Joan Fairfax was a pretty established veteran star in Canada and a young looking 37 when she appeared on WML. Looks like she had 11 previous appearances on the Jack Paar Show, along with some on Sullivan and ironically Welk before WML. She hosted her own popular show for two years on CBC The Joan Fairfax Show. One of the guest singers on her show, Allan Blye, would go onto later fame as a writer and producer.
Joe, I think she's way prettier than L.Welk
I think Daly is an excellent moderator by all accounts - and his circumlocutions can be funny, so long as he doesn't overuse them to the point of weariness; but, apart from that, his attempts at humour invariably fell flat; and he resorted to stock phrases and quips. I wonder if they ever contemplated writing new material for Daly to deliver? And why he insisted on telling jokes when they were consistently unfunny?
He is too straight to b funny - it's his delivery is lacking - not witty.
He can’t improve himself anymore, so comments like these are useless.
Is it just me or does everyone look 7 feet tall here?
He wears a hairpiece so the hair color question was embarassing
I didn ´t get the joke at all... Could anybody please be so kind and explain it to me?
At the end of the birdseed set they said that last year Hartz-Mountain sold 2 million dollars worth of birdseed. I mean is that something to write home to mother about? Sound more like chckenfeed than birdseed, even for 1964.
That's in the ball park of $20 million today. I had no idea you were so fabulously wealthy as to consider $20 million chicken feed. :)
What's My Line? Even today for a BIRDSEED company to see 20 million dollars worth of product seems rather puny. I mean, they were Hartz-Mountain! What can you get for 20 million today? A lollipop factory?
Joe Postove
Don't forget Hartz-Mountain makes lots of other products besides just birdseed and did then too. John said they sold $2 million dollars worth of birdseed, but I'm sure they made additional revenue from their other products. (And I agree with Gary -- $20 million is nothing to sneeze at!)
SaveThe TPC I wouldn't sneeze at 20 big ones in cash. But I might poo poo it.
@@MrJoeybabe25 The way I heard it, my understanding is that is the amount the guest sold, not the company. He wouldn't be the only salesman.
Is Fred and Steve Allen related?
No.
Sisters
@@peternagy-im4be: you may say father and son 😊😊
8:13-8:55: John Daly Unctuous Alert! Unctuous Alert! Unctuous Alert!
9:52 Mr. Segal has very weird ears.
Scalping, scalping! Did Bennett ask if scalping was a problem on Broadway? I am shocked, SHOCKED that blatant ticket finagling would go on at a legitimate Broadway Theater. Did I say I was SHOCKED?
Joe Postove Indeed ....SHOCKED!
+Joe Postove
Captain Renault, here are your tickets to "Pretty Woman: The Musical". (Based on other comments, I'm sure that is what you'd want to see more than any other show currently on Broadway.)
Gee wiz, John Daly was probably instructed by the producers (maybe Mark Goodson himself) not to broach the race issue. My how times have changed.
Yeah, because now that's all anybody talks about. The hell with personal achievements, focus on that pigment. MLK rolling in his grave, smfh.
Hey Ladies, Asks Me About Actor Van Heflin???????????????????????????????????
Thanks For Comments, Ladies!
LaShanda Felton - What about Van Heflin...? :)
Wow! I'm sure glad that Mom let me stay up late. That last contestant will last me a week.
I have to admit, I had to wiki Van Heflin, wasn't familiar with him.
He saved one of his most memorable performances for last as the disturbed bomber in "Airport" (1970).
Jeffrey Crippen So did I, and even when he wasn't considered as a "Leading Man" in the US, I'm sure he would have done it very well as such one here in Europe! :)
Check out Act of Violence ('48). It's a pretty good lesser noir/crime drama.
Shane movie
@@markharrison2544 As well as "Shane,"!
Van was too chatty.
Why did John let Dorothy get away with a NO on the first guest? I cant believe he didnt catch that. - 'You do not wear robes of any kind'.
druidbros Daly starting something that would look like a political quarrel on WML? No way! ;)
Technically with how she worded the question it would be a yes. Yes she does not wear robes.
He hadn't flipped over those cards in a long time, and then these last 3 episodes, he flips them over again ☹️
(I almost started liking him again, and then to have him flipping over those STUPID cards again for no reason ☹️)
Oh Krista...my goodness .why does this bother you SO much ????..you are obsessive about it...wow
@@gailsirois7175 I brought it up so much because he did it on pretty much EVERY show, and it was getting to the point of being VERY annoying
@@kristabrewer9363 Very annoying, ONLY to you.
Dang
This whole panel dies in the early 70s.
Impressive display of showbiz trivia knowledge there. Dorothy Kilgallen died in 1965. Steve Allen died in 2000. Arlene Francis died in 2001. Bennett Cerf, however, did indeed die in 1971. One out of four-- congratulations!
@@WhatsMyLine Van Heflin passed in 71 .
Secretary to a killer.
You killed more than he did, you feckless traitor