Paul, I can think of no one I'd rather listen to explaining a new parts washer. The reason I truly enjoy your videos is that your approach shows professionalism and attention to detail that are something rare. The fact that you cover the technical (mechanics, performance etc.) and the business aspects (cost breakdown, value, risk of repairing older kit etc..) in the larger context of the business and consumer experience shows a mastery of your craft. I'm retired now but if I were an apprentice I would want to learn the ropes, 360-degrees, from you. That broad experience reminds me of German auto manufacturers like Mercedes who provide "soup to nuts" vocational training that includes how to run the business. You could run such an apprentice program for would-be bike trades-folk. -DM {California, USA}. 🏅🚲❤🔥
@@bigwave_dave8468 I have a repair facility , as Paul Vousden knows already . I love to share my knowledge and experience with clients . One thing that disappoints me greatly is when something goes wrong with a bicycle or something is worn out and the client doesn't come forward at the "right time" . A friend ruined a jersey I sold him a year ago , zipper failure , and was too embarrassed to ask for / buy a replacement which I had in stock . It was a black and yellow Trek Segafredo one .
We use the one you used to have in my shop, similar style of cleaning but instead of letting parts air dry and worrying about rust, we always rinse with water and then spray it off with the air compressor to make sure everything is nicely dried out. Have done it for years and it works great and can help get anything that hangs on from the cleaning as well.
My part's washer isn't quite as eco-friendly as yours 'Clarke' But I enjoy washing bikes/parts for my customers so the bike is as good as it was new where possible once it's rebuilt and repaired 😊
That's really neat 😮. First time I'm hearing about this kind of machine. I don't have a good solution to clean oily stuff at home yet. I've mostly been just using cleaner spray and paper towels, but that's a big mess and doesn't really clean that well. What I also urgently need is a good brush to clean dirty and oily components like cassettes and derailleurs.
I struggle with that aspect of bike cleaning and especially drivetrain cleaning, too. My current method involves a good, bio-degradable, spray-on bike cleaner, the park tool gsc-4 cassette cleaning brush, a bidon or spray bottle full of water, an old cotton towel, and big cardboard sheets. I get those sheets from the cardboard boxes which I keep after buying bike parts online. I place a cardboard sheet under the bike or a removed rear wheel before putting on and rinsing off the bike cleaner. That way the cardboard gets soaked in the mixture of water, grime, oil and cleaner. The tricky part is to use it as a sponge and not let the stuff flow off of the surface. Afterwards, I let the cardboard dry and reuse it for this purpose a few times before I put it in the household garbage. Before I used this method, I used to disassemble the entire drivetrain and cleaned the parts individually in multiple Haribo boxes. That way I was able to keep the dirty cleaning fluid and the rinse water contained and was able to bring it to the recycling center later. But man, that is tedious.
So when I used to work in a bike shop we found out that if you leave a park tool plastic tyre lever in there they become really brittle. So I assume some plastics have oils in that don’t mix well if left in there long term. But just don’t leave it in there I guess is the lesson.
The only thing i miss about 10 overworked and underpaid years working in bike shops is a proper parts washer. Going back to spray detergent or gt85 and a rag is painful ☹
We had a similar washer at my part time job, then they swapped to another company and got a garbage one from a smaller company.. was literally a rusty barrel and a metal tub
Hi Paul, Seems like a proper upgrade with the increased volume and insulation. It will definetly help efficiency and work morale! But my understanding was that this system only works with grease and oil systems, not Wax systems. How are you dealing with waxed chains, casettes and chainrings that are full of wax? Do you put them in the washer as well? Don't the Microbes die from the wax or clog the machine? In my experience wax can be a huge pain to clean. Thanks for your reply!
A couple of questions: 1) do you not worry about the degreaser getting onto the disc pads or inside bearings? 2) for electric parts like derailleur, can those be put in an ultrasonic cleaner? If so, does anything need to be lubed after? For the ultrasonic cleaner, as an apartment dweller I love mine, but I fill disposable plastic bags with degreaser and then put my parts in them and in put them into a heater water bath and turn it on. This keeps my cleaner much cleaner and uses much less degreaser.
I love washing and deep cleaning bikes and components. We luckily inherited a Rozone bike wash at the bike workshop in Penrith Go Outdoors and it’s brilliant. I am thinking of moving its and reorganizing our little workshop after seeing your beautiful worshop Bike shops have always helped me clean my bike in the past and now as a mechanic I am happy to do the work. I love to do a good clean as love to present the customers with a “new” bike feel as much as possible I cannot get replacement bike wash fluid through the official channels … what are your thoughts on the muc off bike parts cleaning fluid which I can get through our official company channels
I'd love one of these parts washing systems but at £1700 plus the upkeep costs of fluids and filters etc it'll have to wait a bit.. I'll have to stick with my standard parts washer. Its a definite valid investment for any bicycle servicing shop though. would make my life a damn sight easier!
The new setup looks great but I'm wondering how easy it is to wash a long, heavy bike like a DH or enduro bike, I'd guess you need someone to hold the bike while the another washes it? Would it be worth having some sort of harness/straps hanging from the ceiling that you can wrap round the top tube or stem to support the frame while you wash it?
Talking about the ultrasonic. What fluid do you use, I found if I use water (at the final stage) it can lightly pit the chain which I then have to wire wool it. Irritating!
Ok. Some colleges of mine wash it completely. We do a lot of speedped's in Belgium they come in like the've done a cx race without pressure wash. We literally have to scrape mud first. We ask 89 euro per hour.
I've been in probably 20 UK bike shops in my time. You're the only one that washes stuff. No other shops clean for you, they expect you to do it first. If they replace a BB or something, maybe they'll wipe down the threads and stuff, but only the minimum needed to do the job. How many shops have a system like this? I've never heard of anything like this.
A local bike shop never used to wash bikes, but I do as a matter of course. It allows me to inspect frame, forks and wheels for damage, and the customer leaves with a good experience.
I've worked in 2, one focused on e-bikes other one pretty small and relatively new so mostly focused on older bikes that people with not a lot of money want to repair for cheap. e-bike one had cleaning included with every service but we used normal dish soap with sponges or brushes with hose and degreaser combined with pressure washer. second one had something similar to that thing in video but it was way less fancy. it was basically pretty big long red metal box with solvent poured almost to the top and small shelf where you could store your parts to clean, and small hose (that we didnt really use). solvent was definitely way harsher than one they use since we HAD to use gloves, if that thing got onto your skin it caused mild irritation where your skin would change color to light/medium red and it'd itch for 5 minutes up to 1 hour if you didnt wash it right away. we always used it for chains, cassettes. usually we'd just take them off bike first, throw them into the solvent and just leave it until we were done with bike service and as last step we'd clean said parts, solvent was very good at loosening grease, dirt etc from parts so even for ultra cooked ones it took 5 minutes at most per part to clean. we couldn't leave any part that was anodized or painted in the solvent or on the parts since it'd take off paint and anode.
Washing the bike is the first step to inspection really. We have had that machine you guys had previously for about 5 years now and it's excellent and has never failed. All our previous parts washers would pack up on a regular basis.
How long before the investment pays for itself? I tend to use an old cola bottle full of neat Elbow Grease degreaser from Home Bargains and put the chain inside and screw the cap on tight and shake it to clean it. Then it gets rinsed in hot water and blown dry with an air compressor before relubing on the bike. My old cycle shop I worked in during the 90s wouldn't clean bikes or components at all, got told, just repair it and get it out of the door. No wonder they aren't around anymore 😏
Back when I was in bike retail, a dirty bike got washed...outside in the traditional way, with charge added to the customer's invoice. To my knowledge there was nothing like this back then though I fantasized about a shower stall type setup. I visited a shop in Salt Lake City, UT that had a very nice built-in wash bay with plenty of space years later...exactly what I'd dreamed about.
Came into the workshop on a Monday morning and was hit by a serious smell. Turned on the lights and the back half of the shop was flooded with water. Our rozone had cracked along the bottom seam and all 60L had spilled its guts. About 5 hours later all the solution and sludge had been cleaned..... Love the machines but I will always hate them for that....
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Paul, I can think of no one I'd rather listen to explaining a new parts washer. The reason I truly enjoy your videos is that your approach
shows professionalism and attention to detail that are something rare. The fact that you cover the technical (mechanics, performance etc.) and the business aspects (cost breakdown, value, risk of repairing older kit etc..) in the larger context of the business and consumer experience shows a mastery of your craft. I'm retired now but if I were an apprentice I would want to learn the ropes, 360-degrees, from you. That broad experience reminds me of German auto manufacturers like Mercedes who provide "soup to nuts" vocational training that includes how to run the business. You could run such an apprentice program for would-be bike trades-folk. -DM {California, USA}.
🏅🚲❤🔥
thank you. I have trained 3 apprentices, and would like to see more. One day.
@@bigwave_dave8468 I have a repair facility , as Paul Vousden knows already . I love to share my knowledge and experience with clients . One thing that disappoints me greatly is when something goes wrong with a bicycle or something is worn out and the client doesn't come forward at the "right time" . A friend ruined a jersey I sold him a year ago , zipper failure , and was too embarrassed to ask for / buy a replacement which I had in stock . It was a black and yellow Trek Segafredo one .
When listening to someone talking about washing a bike becomes interesting! Such a good informative channel, I love your work
thank you
We use the one you used to have in my shop, similar style of cleaning but instead of letting parts air dry and worrying about rust, we always rinse with water and then spray it off with the air compressor to make sure everything is nicely dried out. Have done it for years and it works great and can help get anything that hangs on from the cleaning as well.
Been using these for about the past 11 years best things ever. I tend to top up the bacteria once every 6 months as we use it that much.
A proper bike shop, obviously going to be cost effective in the long term
Beautiful !!! 👍
I wish I could put something like this in my little craft room...
My part's washer isn't quite as eco-friendly as yours 'Clarke'
But I enjoy washing bikes/parts for my customers so the bike is as good as it was new where possible once it's rebuilt and repaired 😊
Put a smart plug on it so that you can automatically set a routine switch on and off so you don’t forget.
Yes the video I asked you for at Bespoked 24.
Trust me this video will have so much weight in team meeting charity recycle bike shops!
That's really neat 😮. First time I'm hearing about this kind of machine.
I don't have a good solution to clean oily stuff at home yet. I've mostly been just using cleaner spray and paper towels, but that's a big mess and doesn't really clean that well.
What I also urgently need is a good brush to clean dirty and oily components like cassettes and derailleurs.
I struggle with that aspect of bike cleaning and especially drivetrain cleaning, too. My current method involves a good, bio-degradable, spray-on bike cleaner, the park tool gsc-4 cassette cleaning brush, a bidon or spray bottle full of water, an old cotton towel, and big cardboard sheets. I get those sheets from the cardboard boxes which I keep after buying bike parts online. I place a cardboard sheet under the bike or a removed rear wheel before putting on and rinsing off the bike cleaner. That way the cardboard gets soaked in the mixture of water, grime, oil and cleaner. The tricky part is to use it as a sponge and not let the stuff flow off of the surface. Afterwards, I let the cardboard dry and reuse it for this purpose a few times before I put it in the household garbage.
Before I used this method, I used to disassemble the entire drivetrain and cleaned the parts individually in multiple Haribo boxes. That way I was able to keep the dirty cleaning fluid and the rinse water contained and was able to bring it to the recycling center later. But man, that is tedious.
On an unrelated note: what's up with the time scylon?
Got it scrapped? Did time took it back to the drawing board?
Last I heard the first batch are in paint.
Were there issues with the frames?
Tire clearance is frowned upon
So when I used to work in a bike shop we found out that if you leave a park tool plastic tyre lever in there they become really brittle. So I assume some plastics have oils in that don’t mix well if left in there long term. But just don’t leave it in there I guess is the lesson.
Yep. Rinse it down.
What cleaner you use in ultrasonic cleaner?
Depends, but mostly the dedicated sonic fluid from alledale.
The only thing i miss about 10 overworked and underpaid years working in bike shops is a proper parts washer. Going back to spray detergent or gt85 and a rag is painful ☹
I hear ya! I remember a shop I worked (briefly) in where it was a coffee can of paint thinner!! WTF?
We had a similar washer at my part time job, then they swapped to another company and got a garbage one from a smaller company.. was literally a rusty barrel and a metal tub
Hi Paul,
Seems like a proper upgrade with the increased volume and insulation. It will definetly help efficiency and work morale!
But my understanding was that this system only works with grease and oil systems, not Wax systems. How are you dealing with waxed chains, casettes and chainrings that are full of wax? Do you put them in the washer as well? Don't the Microbes die from the wax or clog the machine? In my experience wax can be a huge pain to clean.
Thanks for your reply!
Was you can just get off with hot water or a heated ultrasonic.
A waxed frame and a ultra sonic do the job for me easy to keep clean
A couple of questions:
1) do you not worry about the degreaser getting onto the disc pads or inside bearings?
2) for electric parts like derailleur, can those be put in an ultrasonic cleaner? If so, does anything need to be lubed after?
For the ultrasonic cleaner, as an apartment dweller I love mine, but I fill disposable plastic bags with degreaser and then put my parts in them and in put them into a heater water bath and turn it on. This keeps my cleaner much cleaner and uses much less degreaser.
None of that goes in.
I have a gantry over a bath tub including a flexible shower head . Gentle is key .
I love washing and deep cleaning bikes and components. We luckily inherited a Rozone bike wash at the bike workshop in Penrith Go Outdoors and it’s brilliant. I am thinking of moving its and reorganizing our little workshop after seeing your beautiful worshop
Bike shops have always helped me clean my bike in the past and now as a mechanic I am happy to do the work. I love to do a good clean as love to present the customers with a “new” bike feel as much as possible
I cannot get replacement bike wash fluid through the official channels … what are your thoughts on the muc off bike parts cleaning fluid which I can get through our official company channels
You should be able to get Rozone fluid direct from Rozone.
the cleanup after cleaning takes most time for me
I'd love one of these parts washing systems but at £1700 plus the upkeep costs of fluids and filters etc it'll have to wait a bit.. I'll have to stick with my standard parts washer. Its a definite valid investment for any bicycle servicing shop though. would make my life a damn sight easier!
Seriously considering getting one of these for the workshop. Maybe not the XL one as I'm tight on space. How does it compare to the smart washer?
It’s the same, but more specific fluid. Double lined tank, and much better sealed and reachable switch gear and pump.
is the gray Look 795 frameset still for sale as it shows on your website?
Any initial thoughts on the LB Turbo wheels? Black friday sales are on and you're the only person that has a set!
Still haven’t actually ridden a set. Only built them. Trying to change that.
Still have the old model, 2017-2024 so time to change soon!
The new setup looks great but I'm wondering how easy it is to wash a long, heavy bike like a DH or enduro bike, I'd guess you need someone to hold the bike while the another washes it? Would it be worth having some sort of harness/straps hanging from the ceiling that you can wrap round the top tube or stem to support the frame while you wash it?
It wouldn’t go in the washer whole. It would be stripped.
@@Mapdec Makes sense, you'd have to remove the fork at least, maybe the shock and swing arm as well?
I always use the hotels bath. Just take the front wheel out. 😂
Gotta confess to doing that a time or two myself!!!
Brilliant !!
Talking about the ultrasonic. What fluid do you use, I found if I use water (at the final stage) it can lightly pit the chain which I then have to wire wool it. Irritating!
Either a dedicated sonic cleaner or fluid from the parts washer and we tip it back in.
Any specific recommendations? I use ScrewFix No Nonsense Degreaser but what else besides water to use to remove the degreaser? Acetone?
@@scottlstone we use this www.allendale-ultrasonics.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/14588
Ok. Some colleges of mine wash it completely. We do a lot of speedped's in Belgium they come in like the've done a cx race without pressure wash. We literally have to scrape mud first. We ask 89 euro per hour.
Can you do one on how to get sealant off ... Asking for a friend.....
Effetto latex remover
Do you have a cleaning chargr if yhe bike is completely covered in filth went a costumer drops it in or not?
yes. everything is on an hourly rate.
you would think it would have a fork mount to hold the bike?
We would rarely put an actual bike in it. Mostly just parts.
I've been in probably 20 UK bike shops in my time. You're the only one that washes stuff. No other shops clean for you, they expect you to do it first. If they replace a BB or something, maybe they'll wipe down the threads and stuff, but only the minimum needed to do the job. How many shops have a system like this? I've never heard of anything like this.
Really! What the hell are the customers paying for?
A local bike shop never used to wash bikes, but I do as a matter of course. It allows me to inspect frame, forks and wheels for damage, and the customer leaves with a good experience.
I've worked in 2, one focused on e-bikes other one pretty small and relatively new so mostly focused on older bikes that people with not a lot of money want to repair for cheap. e-bike one had cleaning included with every service but we used normal dish soap with sponges or brushes with hose and degreaser combined with pressure washer. second one had something similar to that thing in video but it was way less fancy. it was basically pretty big long red metal box with solvent poured almost to the top and small shelf where you could store your parts to clean, and small hose (that we didnt really use). solvent was definitely way harsher than one they use since we HAD to use gloves, if that thing got onto your skin it caused mild irritation where your skin would change color to light/medium red and it'd itch for 5 minutes up to 1 hour if you didnt wash it right away. we always used it for chains, cassettes. usually we'd just take them off bike first, throw them into the solvent and just leave it until we were done with bike service and as last step we'd clean said parts, solvent was very good at loosening grease, dirt etc from parts so even for ultra cooked ones it took 5 minutes at most per part to clean. we couldn't leave any part that was anodized or painted in the solvent or on the parts since it'd take off paint and anode.
@@madeitsupreme_9104 oh wow. I thought all bike shops cleaned stuff. Solvents though dude. wtf.
Washing the bike is the first step to inspection really. We have had that machine you guys had previously for about 5 years now and it's excellent and has never failed. All our previous parts washers would pack up on a regular basis.
What’s the name of the bike showcased?
i'm not sure to be honest.
Wilier GTR-SL 2016
That is really nice
Man I miss gt85
they make a aftershave that smells of wd-40 now.
@@Mapdecit’s a smell I grew up with in the shop. But they banned gt85 in America. We can only use mo94, I used gt85 for everything
@@GCPerformance18 was it banned because of PTFE?
@@massaka17probably. I forget to be honest, I just remember distributors having a crap ton of it. And trying to unload it lol.
Theres a non-PTFE GT85 now. Is that still as goid?
Dear @Mapdec, the music is always so much louder than the speech, I don't feel like putting myself through this anymore.
Is tbis a paid ad ?
Yes. You will have seen the notification at the start.
The only thing holding my bike together is dirt
That's hot, literally!
How long before the investment pays for itself? I tend to use an old cola bottle full of neat Elbow Grease degreaser from Home Bargains and put the chain inside and screw the cap on tight and shake it to clean it. Then it gets rinsed in hot water and blown dry with an air compressor before relubing on the bike. My old cycle shop I worked in during the 90s wouldn't clean bikes or components at all, got told, just repair it and get it out of the door. No wonder they aren't around anymore 😏
About 2 - 3 months. Depending on how much you pay your staff. It can save 2-3 hours per day of a mechanics time.
Back when I was in bike retail, a dirty bike got washed...outside in the traditional way, with charge added to the customer's invoice. To my knowledge there was nothing like this back then though I fantasized about a shower stall type setup. I visited a shop in Salt Lake City, UT that had a very nice built-in wash bay with plenty of space years later...exactly what I'd dreamed about.
Came into the workshop on a Monday morning and was hit by a serious smell. Turned on the lights and the back half of the shop was flooded with water. Our rozone had cracked along the bottom seam and all 60L had spilled its guts. About 5 hours later all the solution and sludge had been cleaned..... Love the machines but I will always hate them for that....
Oh S. was this one of the double walled ones?
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Your going to have to do a sludge emptying video now you do know that right 😅
It’s Henry’s turn. He will love it 🥰
GT85? Isn’t that PTFE or PFCs or forever carcinogenic chemicals?
This video should be renamed: "When money doesn't matter"
What do you mean?
5:38 "You can also get a whole tonne of weight in here!"*
* Not an actual tonne, though probably more than you can lift
Realise you had previous one for quite a few years but …. Was this new one a freebie? The endorsement seemed a bit too enthusiastic. Just askin’.
Yes. We made that clear. It’s a product I am really happy to endorse and really excited they do this massive version.
Hi
...water and washing up liquid and a sponge 🤦♂️
Overkill.... I use a wet rag. There you go. Now you know.
The quickest wash of all is the 'non-wash' , far too common i'm afraid.
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