Thank you Warren. It's always cool to see different people's approaches, and reasoning, to getting the sound that they're looking for. Appreciate the upload.
Cool! In metal is really easy to make the kick way to weak, people boost some 50 and 6k and if there isn't a good balance the kick dissapear almost entirely.
Great video with great guests. It took me 4 hours to watch, because of switching back and forth from my DAW to the video. I improved the sound of my kicks after watching this. Thanks to you and your guests.
This new ultimate guide is the best content out there on the wide wide interwebs. The bass one helped me a lot and this one is amazing as well! I hope there will be a guitar one as well :)
I used to dream of being able to watch and learn over the shoulder of a professional. Without internet that was only possible if you worked in a studio, this is incredible. Many thanks to all professionals who want to share their knowledge!
The elusive kick drum sound. Every time I think I have it rocking, it disappears in my mix. I'm sure these lessons will help me as they have in all my recordings. PLAP is the best place for REAL mixing education. Thanks Warren.
See in the next instalment: Ultimate Snare mixing: Warren vs. the seven guests: Andrew Wallace, Michael Beinhorn, Sylvia Massy, Chris Lord-Alge, Tom Lord-Alge, Jeff Lord-Alge, Juseppe Giovanni Francesco Bienvenido Lord-Alge.
I love all of this. I want to try everything. I don't think I'll get to use a real SSL any time soon. But I really dig that we get to see that there isn't just one cure-all answer for mixing kick. Not like many would have us believe. So cool. Thank you, Warren.
there have been 2 interesting take-aways for me in this. 1. Bob Horn leaving the upper Kick-Frequencies untouched until later on. Makes a LOT of sense to me, gonna adopt that mentality - not only for kick. 2. Richard Furch looking (instead of listening) in order to enhance what is there, without changing it. When the sound is already great, that's a wise and smart approach.
and I want to add that these 7 different ways to - X - Series is something I really, really enjoy. Usually most videos are 99% of information I've already come across. But this kind of video let's me take away more, since there is more information compressed and delivered, since there are multiple perspectives and makro/micro-approaches involved.
Excellent useful video, the basic principles of work are perfectly visible. If I have well-recorded drums in my project, then I do the same work, and if the recording quality is unsatisfactory, then I add sampled ones, since I recently purchased a SlateTrigger license.
this video is fucking brilliant. Warren, this is what we need. Seeing many perspectives on an element in the mix, it gives us a lot of "Guidelines" or just general "leanings", not rules, that can really clear up mixing philosophies for beginners and intermediates. I've been mixing for 10 years now but i got so much value out of this video. God bless, would love for this to be a series. (Snare, Guitars, Bass especially, Vocals) -- a groundbreaking series. Cheers
You may have already done a video about this, but I sure would love to see Warren do a hybrid mix with that SSL. That was by far the most interesting part to me, although I do wanna say that everyone in this video did a great job
Thanks very much Warren. Was just listening to what I suspected was the kick "smudging" a bass a couple of hours ago. Going back now to have a look around that 100 -120 hz zone. Cheers. What would we do without you?!😁
I just happened to come across this while wearing Altec Lansing evolution 2 wireless headphones I got used for twenty bucks a few years ago and I hear that sub thumb very well. They have no high end but I’m impressed Lol
use fab filter pro mb.downward compression for controlled low end and upward compression for more airy kick .finally no need to use compressor and eq because pro mb finished the job.Cheers !
Warren I see plenty of the 120's out there but most look -10,, unbalanced i/o's. Yours is the DBX XP with 1/4 inch plugs in the back.. Looks like a great tool.
And then when you hear the isolated drums of the Beatles 'Oh! Darling' you are stumped how they got that creamy punchy kick when they are eq'ing like 4 overall mic's on a mono channel...... I know they have a channel in on the kick with eq - would love to see that - but once recorded it's glued in. Geoff Emerick had some skill.
Is it weird that I prefer 80-86 Hz on the kick and the 60-64 Hz on the bass guitar instead of the other way round?? Has anyone tried sonically placing the bass lower than the kick itself??
Yup. I generally always have the bass lower than the kick. So much more energy and it makes more sense sonically. I don’t get it the other way round. I make a lot of music with an LM1 and the kick sits best exactly at 86. I usually cut all drums completely at 60 and let the bass instruments have everything below that entirely to themselves. Also, see Beyoncé, Frank Ocean, Radiohead, NERD...etc. etc.
Instead of the DBX 120A, im using the synth generator of the KONG drum module of Reason studio for that, or sometimes Rob Papen Punch or subboombass, or any analog drum machine or synth that can help to have low end pitch, white noise for click attack, but for big acoustic kick, using the plastic side of the beater or any wooden beater, can add a lot of balls to the sound ^^.
@@Producelikeapro plastic side beater work also fine in live, it's easy to mix, but the downside of it, it cost you a lot in bass head Skin, especialy if your drummer hit like crazy, i must admit that using midi trigger is more friendly 😂.
And before i forget it, have a look over at the Futurephonic guys. They have very cool mix tricks from the electronic music scene. Have fun producing and please avoid the vax ;-) Namaste
Hi Warren ! Thank you so much for that video ! Do you have some techniques to know which instrument should be the lowest in the song between the bass drum and the bass guitar ?
Hey Warren, Long time listener first time caller! I am curious as to the phase when adding the rest of the drums back in with your first kick example.. I heard the sub clearly, but felt like it was lost a bit when the rest of the drum tracks were introduced! I don't think it was a consequence of the volume of the added tracks, but rather felt like something disappeared. is it just me? Cheers! Also Im very thankful to for the introduction of the DBX120A. Sub kick in a rack mount! very very cool. Would love some A/B examples vs various sub kicks, as I presume its the same concept?
@@Producelikeapro love that song. I covered it with my band the first time we played in Dublin about 8 years ago. Took 10 years of touring the world and 5 trips to the UK even to make it to Ireland. I told our bus driver all I cared about seeing was the Philip Lynnot statue and I told my band mates we couldn’t play Dublin without covering Emerald!
Does the DBX 120 signal go into the same channel compressor regular EQ goes into, or a separate one? Wouldn't it change the compressor behavior? Also, is a subwoofer necessary to not overdo it with the DBX? Thank you.
Why does my kick sound like a basketball hitting the floor in a gym 😂😂😂😂 I have lowcutted both the kick and bass and the kick sounds good with the rest of the kit.
Mark Needham: using pultec to boost low end... and we make it a little broader, turning up the bandwith of a high f boost and nothing changes. No hate, just observation.
Well it's definitely not for me. This form of mixing with effects on effects......... It's in my opinion not the right way to go. Keep it simple. I know it's hard if you don't have a big enough room. I think balance is by far the most important element.
Kick drums are no longer needed in music. Here's a tip, replace the kick drum with a "shaker" in your next song and watch it go to No.1 on the charts 🎶🎊
Haha I assume you're being funny? Olivia Rodrigo is the biggest breakout artist of the year and everyone is clammering to copy her Production, which is very late 90s early 2000's!
@@Producelikeapro She obviously sold her soul to the Illuminati satanic cult to get where she is , as there are a million other girls like her wanting to get on the charts. She obviously didn't do her own production and is just now a puppet of the music biz. But good luck to her.
I don’t own the artist songs. All of the SD revenue goes to them, as it should. I don’t complain about the music industry not paying an artist enough and then complain when an ad pays them revenue which I have no control over.
@@Producelikeapro regardless , it's just too many . I really like this channel but for Ffs mate . 8 ads ???? Not counting the opening ad. Why so many. ? Great channel tho
What did you think of our video? Let me know what YOU do to your kick drums by commenting below!
@Kevin thanks ever so much for sharing Kevin!
it didn't come home
@@GregsterS the Kick drum? Hahaha
What I do to kick drums (and basicly any other track) is to wildly turn knobs until I like what i hear...
I think in this video, there was waaaaaaaaay too much focus on the kick drum solo'd, out of context. :(
Get in Warren, you've literally just read my mind, just having problems on a hip-hop track i am working on at the moment! Best channel on RUclips!
Thanks ever so much Calcaria!
low end is a pain in the brain. Thank you, this was helpful.
Haha indeed! Can be!
Warren thank you so much for letting us have all this info for free! You sir should be knighted. Have a wonderful day.
Thanks Matt! You are very kind!!
I think these are my favorite series so far. I've learned so much on these. Thanks warren
Thanks ever so much Nathan!
Thank you warren. Cheers from SRI LANKA 🇱🇰 ❤
Thanks ever so much Minda!
From Sri Lanka too 🙌❤️
@@senaljay145 hello in Sri Lanka!
Thank you Warren. It's always cool to see different people's approaches, and reasoning, to getting the sound that they're looking for. Appreciate the upload.
Thanks ever so much Keven!
What a marvelous content approach video !!
Thanks ever so much!
Cool! In metal is really easy to make the kick way to weak, people boost some 50 and 6k and if there isn't a good balance the kick dissapear almost entirely.
Thanks ever so much for the great comment!
Was hoping you'd do other areas in this theme, of multiple different ways of approaching the same thing - good on ya!
Thanks ever so much!
Great video with great guests. It took me 4 hours to watch, because of switching back and forth from my DAW to the video. I improved the sound of my kicks after watching this. Thanks to you and your guests.
This new ultimate guide is the best content out there on the wide wide interwebs. The bass one helped me a lot and this one is amazing as well! I hope there will be a guitar one as well :)
Thanks ever so much Benny!!
I used to dream of being able to watch and learn over the shoulder of a professional. Without internet that was only possible if you worked in a studio, this is incredible. Many thanks to all professionals who want to share their knowledge!
Very cool to see the similar approaches!
Thanks Chris!
Love this series Warren!!! This really shows the difference and possibilities between different mixing styles, really helpful!!!
Really awesome new series! Thank you so much Warren! It's really great to see how to mix stuff from different angles ;)
Thanks ever so much Alexey
42:01 ... oh wow!! Makes more sense in that context and certainly not a way I would have ever approached it. But wow... definitely works!!
Fantastic
The elusive kick drum sound. Every time I think I have it rocking, it disappears in my mix. I'm sure these lessons will help me as they have in all my recordings. PLAP is the best place for REAL mixing education. Thanks Warren.
Great video, thanks a lot!!
Thanks ever so much Felipe!
Thanks warren.
You're very welcome!
Great video Warren!
Thanks ever so much Paul!!
I'm 38 mins in the video now, but it's crazy that everyone so far is using the SSL plug-in. Makes me want to get it!
Haha I didn't! But I did use an SSL! Haha
Someone should let Needham know that the bandwidth control on a Pultec is for the HF boost.
It's surprising how many engineers don't seem to know this.
Awesome bro! Thanks for sharing and putting this together to share the knowledge brother.
I know it wasn't a competition, but Warren just won!!!! With that said, all were pretty snazzy!!!
Haha you're very kind, thanks ever so much!
See in the next instalment: Ultimate Snare mixing: Warren vs. the seven guests: Andrew Wallace, Michael Beinhorn, Sylvia Massy, Chris Lord-Alge, Tom Lord-Alge, Jeff Lord-Alge, Juseppe Giovanni Francesco Bienvenido Lord-Alge.
@@usernameihavechosen289 whhaaaaat?? for real? I'll shed a single tear for that shootout!!!!
🌟Thanks!
Thanks ever so much Audrey!
I haven't seen a DBX 120 in years. awesome box! I wish I had one
Haha I bought it for $125!
@@Producelikeapro I had the chance way back, and missed it!!! But I do have a $200 Polysix and a $400 SH-101 ;) Consolation prizes
Those sound like great consolation prizes!
So much fun and informative watching these folks mix kick. Richard is really funny, love his philosphy. :) Wonderful stuff, thank you so much Warren.
Thanks ever so much
That LEGO space shuttle behind the Pultecs tho 🫠🫠😂👏🏽👏🏽
Excellent video Warren! I'd love to see you use that beautiful console more in videos
5:37 fook me sideways and call me a spectrum analyser that desk is Amazinnnngggg!!!!! Dammnnn
Haha thanks!
The Warren aprouch to mix Kick its REALLY KILLER!!! I love my new Kick sound!!! Thanks a lot!!
Wow! Thanks ever so much! Glad to be able to help!
According to Waves PAZ my Slate Trigger kick for livestream audio has low end to spare, so this is a timely video 👀
Glad to be able to help Daniel!
eu gostei muito desta aula de mixagem de Kiki e aula da gostei mixage bass .muito obrigado muito massa
Você é muito bem-vindo! Obrigado pelo seu comentário maravilhoso!
I love all of this. I want to try everything. I don't think I'll get to use a real SSL any time soon. But I really dig that we get to see that there isn't just one cure-all answer for mixing kick. Not like many would have us believe. So cool. Thank you, Warren.
Warren, this was outstanding! I learned something from each approach. Thanks so much for highlighting both concepts and tools. Super helpfu!
so little moves to make a big difference. Glad ya'll can still hear .4353265 db at 80hz :)
If you boost a Db up on one frequency and a Db down on another that is a lot. It's all about the relationships of the EQ
@@Producelikeapro Thanks I'll try that!
@@danb1942 marvellous!
That's SIR Wazza Huart to you! Thanks again, Warren. Great tips'n'tricks to try out.
You’re very welcome
Cool! A Thin Lizzy track!😎😎
Yes! Nice spot!
This is incredible Warren, thanks so much!
Lmao still when Bob Marlette kept calling Warren "young man" in their interview vid.
Haha indeed
the aquabats!!!!!!!!
Yes! Aquabats!
Thank you so much for these ultra special videos Warren and everybody!
Thank you so very much! Wonderful information!
Thanks ever so much
cool Thin Lizzy cover
Haha yes! Good spot!
@@Producelikeapro Emerald!
Great video!!! Thx
Thanks ever so much
there have been 2 interesting take-aways for me in this. 1. Bob Horn leaving the upper Kick-Frequencies untouched until later on. Makes a LOT of sense to me, gonna adopt that mentality - not only for kick. 2. Richard Furch looking (instead of listening) in order to enhance what is there, without changing it. When the sound is already great, that's a wise and smart approach.
and I want to add that these 7 different ways to - X - Series is something I really, really enjoy. Usually most videos are 99% of information I've already come across. But this kind of video let's me take away more, since there is more information compressed and delivered, since there are multiple perspectives and makro/micro-approaches involved.
I LOVE this new series!
Thanks ever so much Michael!
Super Gut...thank you!
Thanks ever so much
Excellent useful video, the basic principles of work are perfectly visible.
If I have well-recorded drums in my project, then I do the same work, and if the recording quality is unsatisfactory, then I add sampled ones, since I recently purchased a SlateTrigger license.
this video is fucking brilliant. Warren, this is what we need. Seeing many perspectives on an element in the mix, it gives us a lot of "Guidelines" or just general "leanings", not rules, that can really clear up mixing philosophies for beginners and intermediates. I've been mixing for 10 years now but i got so much value out of this video. God bless, would love for this to be a series. (Snare, Guitars, Bass especially, Vocals) -- a groundbreaking series.
Cheers
Thanks ever so much! I’m glad to be able to help!!
Much better sound in Warren's part. I bet if these guys bought a couple of hardware modules they'd be pretty much up there with Warren too.
Haha you're very kind!
This is a treasure trove
Thanks ever so much
You may have already done a video about this, but I sure would love to see Warren do a hybrid mix with that SSL. That was by far the most interesting part to me, although I do wanna say that everyone in this video did a great job
Thanks very much Warren. Was just listening to what I suspected was the kick "smudging" a bass a couple of hours ago. Going back now to have a look around that 100 -120 hz zone. Cheers. What would we do without you?!😁
That’s wonderful to hear! Glad to be able to help!!
Great class and awesome the Cure hair style! 🤘🏻🙏🏻💪🏼😊
Haha thanks
I just happened to come across this while wearing Altec Lansing evolution 2 wireless headphones I got used for twenty bucks a few years ago and I hear that sub thumb very well. They have no high end but I’m impressed Lol
use fab filter pro mb.downward compression for controlled low end and upward compression for more airy kick .finally no need to use compressor and eq because pro mb finished the job.Cheers !
Amazing stuff Warren!
Muchas gracias.
Thanks ever so much!
I need a soft kick and especially a soft snare ala what I hear listening to people like Van Morrison, Paper Kites etc. 😊❤
Warren I see plenty of the 120's out there but most look -10,, unbalanced i/o's. Yours is the DBX XP with 1/4 inch plugs in the back.. Looks like a great tool.
And then when you hear the isolated drums of the Beatles 'Oh! Darling' you are stumped how they got that creamy punchy kick when they are eq'ing like 4 overall mic's on a mono channel...... I know they have a channel in on the kick with eq - would love to see that - but once recorded it's glued in. Geoff Emerick had some skill.
Please do snare 🙏🏻
Is it weird that I prefer 80-86 Hz on the kick and the 60-64 Hz on the bass guitar instead of the other way round?? Has anyone tried sonically placing the bass lower than the kick itself??
That's not wired at all! Many genres have the Bass lower than the kick!
@@Producelikeapro Oh!! Might I add it’s been working out quite well for metal hahaha Thanks a lot Warren, loving the content! Cheers from India 🧡
Yup. I generally always have the bass lower than the kick. So much more energy and it makes more sense sonically. I don’t get it the other way round. I make a lot of music with an LM1 and the kick sits best exactly at 86. I usually cut all drums completely at 60 and let the bass instruments have everything below that entirely to themselves. Also, see Beyoncé, Frank Ocean, Radiohead, NERD...etc. etc.
Punchy kick /deep untethered bass
Deep kick/ punchy bass mid forward
Compressed drums / deep untethered bass
Big open drums / compressed bass
Simple guides
@@Producelikeapro Which genres usually place the bass lower?
Gotta love the American "aumhhh..." ;)
Instead of the DBX 120A, im using the synth generator of the KONG drum module of Reason studio for that, or sometimes Rob Papen Punch or subboombass, or any analog drum machine or synth that can help to have low end pitch, white noise for click attack, but for big acoustic kick, using the plastic side of the beater or any wooden beater, can add a lot of balls to the sound ^^.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
@@Producelikeapro plastic side beater work also fine in live, it's easy to mix, but the downside of it, it cost you a lot in bass head Skin, especialy if your drummer hit like crazy, i must admit that using midi trigger is more friendly 😂.
Am I right to assume this dbx sub harmonics enhancer works the same way the RBass plugin works ?
Sort of, the RBass adds the frequency you choose then additional harmonics, the DBX120 only adds the low lows.
And before i forget it, have a look over at the Futurephonic guys. They have very cool mix tricks from the electronic music scene. Have fun producing and please avoid the vax ;-) Namaste
So Warren, when did you have Thin Lizzy in the studio? 😉
Haha I wish!! It was a cover I did with Ace Frehley and SLASH
@@Producelikeapro Heehee - you guys should release it! Can't have too much Lizzy 😁🤟
Hi Warren
I’m just getting around to watching your video. It’s awesome! What where you using as monitors while you were working on this?
Thanks.
No drummers were harmed whilst making this video.
Thanks ever so much Tom!
Hi Warren ! Thank you so much for that video !
Do you have some techniques to know which instrument should be the lowest in the song between the bass drum and the bass guitar ?
Hey, That's Emerald by Lizzy
Haha yes! Well spotted!
@@musicianie haha indeed! Can you guess who?
@@Producelikeapro Matt starr? Wasn’t this the song with you and slash on guitars (lead/solo)?
@@AA-fi8bz busted!!
Was that Ace's version of "Emerald?"
Hey Warren, Long time listener first time caller! I am curious as to the phase when adding the rest of the drums back in with your first kick example.. I heard the sub clearly, but felt like it was lost a bit when the rest of the drum tracks were introduced! I don't think it was a consequence of the volume of the added tracks, but rather felt like something disappeared. is it just me? Cheers! Also Im very thankful to for the introduction of the DBX120A. Sub kick in a rack mount! very very cool. Would love some A/B examples vs various sub kicks, as I presume its the same concept?
With so many lovely plug-in reverbs available now, do you still use your Alesis Microverb I spied in your rack?
I occasionally print through It! It’s wonderful
@@Producelikeapro I have the Midiverb II (and an spx 90, also a Roland sde 1000) might have to consider gainfully employing them again! 😁
Thatˋs amazing! Many thanks for sharing this with us. But one question: is the API 560 on the kick before or after the SSL-EQ?
First song is a cover of Emerald by Thin Lizzy, right?
Aha! Good spot!!
@@Producelikeapro love that song. I covered it with my band the first time we played in Dublin about 8 years ago. Took 10 years of touring the world and 5 trips to the UK even to make it to Ireland. I told our bus driver all I cared about seeing was the Philip Lynnot statue and I told my band mates we couldn’t play Dublin without covering Emerald!
Every rock guy with the SSL channel strip...
Does the DBX 120 signal go into the same channel compressor regular EQ goes into, or a separate one? Wouldn't it change the compressor behavior? Also, is a subwoofer necessary to not overdo it with the DBX? Thank you.
...and aaah. 51:50. We've ll been there, but it's all relative right? Context again!!
Why does my kick sound like a basketball hitting the floor in a gym 😂😂😂😂 I have lowcutted both the kick and bass and the kick sounds good with the rest of the kit.
Is it possible to get this song as a reference track for my own mixes?
Not all of use have ssl's
Is this thin lizzy
Mark Needham: using pultec to boost low end... and we make it a little broader, turning up the bandwith of a high f boost and nothing changes. No hate, just observation.
Wow Mark has zero acoustic treatment as far as I can see
Well it's definitely not for me. This form of mixing with effects on effects......... It's in my opinion not the right way to go. Keep it simple. I know it's hard if you don't have a big enough room. I think balance is by far the most important element.
Kick drums are no longer needed in music.
Here's a tip, replace the kick drum with a "shaker" in your next song and watch it go to No.1 on the charts 🎶🎊
Haha I assume you're being funny? Olivia Rodrigo is the biggest breakout artist of the year and everyone is clammering to copy her Production, which is very late 90s early 2000's!
@@Producelikeapro She obviously sold her soul to the Illuminati satanic cult to get where she is , as there are a million other girls like her wanting to get on the charts. She obviously didn't do her own production and is just now a puppet of the music biz. But good luck to her.
The only way you can achieve a good bass drum is use Ludwig lol
The kick on the song I recorded was Ludwig! The only drums I own are all Ludwig’s!!
@@Producelikeapro I know ..i own 63 great video Mr.Waren
i literally did not hear a single kick track that was mix ready, they still lack a LOT of processing.
8 ads , bye
I don’t own the artist songs. All of the SD revenue goes to them, as it should. I don’t complain about the music industry not paying an artist enough and then complain when an ad pays them revenue which I have no control over.
@@Producelikeapro regardless , it's just too many . I really like this channel but for
Ffs mate . 8 ads ????
Not counting the opening ad.
Why so many. ?
Great channel tho