I’ve always interpreted that as loneliness. The only being it ever had anything in common with is dead now, and all Ebriatas can do is sit there and stare at it and hope one day they aren’t alone anymore, again.
I think it would be cool to have an alt ending, where if you dont kill Ebreitas she appears in the True ending and carefully caresses the Hunter, accepting them into the family. The fact an eldrich horror was mourning at all means they likely think different than the Moon Presence to some extent, and might even be sympathetic if not supremely out of touch with humanity
One distinct possibility is that the Altar spider may not even necessarily be Rom, as it has very different legs. It could be that Rom's design was significantly changed and the Altar represents an earlier iteration, or it could be an intentional way of showing that there has been more than one person uplifted in a similar way, creating more Great One kin that are devoid of thought.
Hey I have a request! What does the sky on bloodborne look like when you beat a boss and the night progresses? Does it just change immediately or is there an animation tied to it?
@@ExplosiveFetus If that was meant for me, I'm thinking she has two different sets of legs - long spider legs that her bloated body grew to cover up, and then the smaller legs that sprouted presumably because she needed some way to move around. I can't imagine much lore reason for any of this, other than just emphasizing how fucked up Rom's botched ascension was. Like she metamorphosed multiple times over into some unnatural clusterfuck of a Great One.
I feel like there's a really obvious answer to this Rom issue people are overlooking- Can't she be dead in the real world but still lasting on in a dream, that being the lake she's contained within? It could be that she died a long, long time ago- maybe they couldn't control her in life to have her serve the function they wished her to, and thus she was sacrificed- perhaps even 'made vacuous'- in order to achieve their ends. Perhaps that was the point at which Ebrietas stopped working with humanity directly- too mesmerized by the loss that she thought she could avoid. I ain't a buff though
@Boa-Noah unlikely bc the whole points of bloodborne that great ones envy humans for birth they moan for a child to give birth they can give birth by surrogate mother but the child will die for every great one will lose it child and moan for a replacement، thats why they captured humans or other creatures into dreams like gherman or micolash or even mergo, mergo died but his consciousness was stuck in a dream by the nurse she wanted him as a child, the other thing if a great one give birth by itself the great one will die or the baby will die, kos was a affectionate mother who loved her ppl and didnt chose a surrogate mother she gived her birth by herself sacrifice herself for a baby but stupid Laurence did all the classic story and start a nightmare and a curse, so ebritas and rom have no children mostly the only thing we know about ebritas that shes a falling great one the other left her and abandoned her she willingly co op with humans and teach them some cosmic knowledge and power one of the tool we can use its to summon her octopus hands and ig this is my theory that ebritas is on the altar is crying or yearn for the past for her life
What if the “Rom” of the Altar is not a dead being but the former shell of Ebrietas? Its wings are similar to those of a butterfly, maybe its life cycle is the same but the cocoon is a Rom-like creature
So Rom if left alone may have become a true great one? Perhaps the form the hunter takes in the ending is the first stage, Rom-like spiders the second, and so on?
I always assumed Ebrietas's title "Daughter of the Cosmos" was an allusion to Kos. From Micolash's line "Kos, or some say Kosm" I guessed that maybe Kos was known by some as Cosmos. Maybe Cosmos is a basterdisation of Kosm or vice versa. If true, that would see Rom as almost being a sibling to Ebrietas
This is what I've always assumed, now that I think about it. I took Ebrietas' title literally - she is a daughter of the cosmos, in a context where the cosmos is very much capable of giving birth to a living being. Her standing watch over the corpse of a Rom-like being, one that was likely literally born of Kos, has always seemed to me like the mourning of a lost sibling. Perhaps Ebrietas was created by the Choir, as well, making the two functionally sisters.
I stopped trying to understand this stuff long ago. Considering that Dark Souls is already very cryptic, trying to find sense in a game inspired by lovecraftian lore is like trying to hold sand in your fist
@@justkosmo6806 Well that can't be, the Healing Church found Ebrietas, that's why she is called "The Great One left behind", they never created her, but she cooperates with humans, with the Choir being in charge of experimenting and protecting her.
I just realized two things. Firsly, Ebrietas has eyes in her brain - also, that's an exposed brain, apparently. Secondly, Ebrietas is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The character design in Bloodborne is fantastic. They really nailed the cosmic horror genre. When I first saw Ebrietas or the Winter lanterns, I was like "WTF is this shit. I'm gonna have nightmares for weeks now".
Ebrietas is my favorite visual representation of an eldritch horror. She looks so unnatural, wrong, and confusing that she really gives me the incomprehensibly alien vibe that eldritch horrors are always described as. I just adore her.
We fight Rom on the Moonside Lake only after falling through it ourselves, the "upside-down" nature of this Eldritch bulwark suggests that the arena where we fight Rom is part of the Nightmare or maybe somewhere in-between, if we believe lakes/oceans are mediums to this higher plane of existence. If Ebrietas is the "left-behind Great One," what was she left behind from? If we, as hunters, can only access the Dream after dying, maybe Great Ones are no different, so Ebrietas is mourning/despairing (Altar of Despair is called "Altar of Grief" in Japanese version) Rom's passage into the Nightmare, through death, to the Moonside Lake. This also explains why Rom the Vacuous Spider doesn't appear as a true spider in the boss fight, but the head in the Altar of Despair has the appropriate 8-legs. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
@@EnvyMachinery Death in Bloodborn acts as a threshold to a higher existence. Sometimes you come back to the same world as something new (hunter), sometimes you create a new world in a dream as your body dies (Micolash). While I agree it usnt confirmed the hunter dies for sure, they are able to return from death dye to the existence if the Dream.
@@EnvyMachinery Agreed. Whatever the Hunters do, they clearly avoid death and are capable of directly entering the Nightmares of others. I think a Dream is a form of ascension without death, while a Nightmare requires death, but is far more powerful in its applications. Rom sustained a city wide illusion, and Micolash was able to covertly conduct reality changing rituals. Hunters avoid death, at the cost of losing unconverted blood echoes. The difference in magnitude is clear
@@EnvyMachinery It has been suggested by some that what gave the Good Hunter access to the Hunter's Dream is the contract they signed before the blood ministration.
also she is the great one that cooperated the most with humans, so my personal interpretation is that she really wanted humans to ascend and now she mourns Rom because the one human that did succeed is dead and all the rest of them have failed
@@darrenfleming7901 Maybe she wanted humanity to ascend for the greater good of both species (humans and kins/great ones) but she's sad because it failed even after going through do much.
@@darrenfleming7901 I dont think she wanted humans to ascend, I think SHE wanted to ascend but could not, hence her "left behind" title. I believe she would like to help so she can also ascend, once the church (using her blood and likely advice) figures out how to ascend themselves.
Ebrietas' name alludes to the concept of being "blood-drunk" that Hunters and those close to the Great Ones experience (her name means "drunkenness" or "inebriation" in Latin). It also seems to be a reference to the type of butterfly with the same name, as it vaguely resembles one when all spread out. Finally, it also resembles the female reproductive organs, again especially when splayed―another recurring theme of the game and a possible reference to her role as both "Daughter of the Cosmos" and as the sort of mother-like figure in the "rebirth" of characters like Rom as Great Ones. In general, her design is clearly meant to evoke the moist, sloppy, fleshy, yet monstrously warped psychosexual horror of the kind all too typical of Lovecraftian monsters, and I think it's clear that that design is heavily tied to her obscure role in the story
Micolash's "Kos or some say Kosm" line often gets attributed to an extension of the word cosmos. But I always think of it more like 'jizm' the antiquated form of 'jizz'. People don't talk enough about the psychosexual aspects of Bloodborne. It's a shame really, so much metaphor and symbolism gets missed as a result. Like, Daughter of the Cosmos implies childlike characteristics. At least relationally. So the virginal aspects alluded to in the titlr make it unlikely that Ebrietas is a motherly figure, as some people want to suggest. Instead, her story suggests a tragic existence. An unwanted or abandoned daughter. An afterthought or maybe even an accident. She looms over a Rom like figure in a pool of water. This sort of imagery has been used elsewhere to imply tears. A sort of hyperbolized notion of crying so much that a pool forms. Meanwhile, she belches up blood and bile in her fight. She's representative of all these different bodily fluids and I think there's a lot to that which can help unravel her mystery.
@@rainbowkrampus Now i'm curious, what aspects? Honestly, no creature in bloodborne seems "psychosexual" to me, i don't even think From actually had that in mind with the creature concepts Only one that comes to mind is Lady maria, but i think she only fits the "psycho" part of the word
Ebrietas' theme is one of the best in Soulsborne imo. It's a shame not everyone gets to hear the whole of it, much like Gundyr's or the Deacons' themes.
Well we see at a number of points in the game that there’s a difference between the physical form of a being like a Great One and its form within a Dream. I view the Dreams as a sort of state of ascension or afterlife, whether to a place of penance or punishment like the Hunter’s Dream / Nightmare, to a purgatorial/bulwark state like Rom’s arena, or potentially to somewhere beyond those purposes, like the Frontier and the School of Mensis. Ebrietas is described as an “abandoned” Great One- maybe her presence here at the Altar of Despair is literally her despairing that she has been left behind in the physical world, where others like Rom and the Moon Presence seem to have transcended their physical forms- whether by their own power or by the machinations of other beings. It also seems that the church found and abused Ebrietas’ power to maintain their hold on Yharnam, which feeds into the idea of her despair- a desire to be freed from her bondage on the physical plane. That’s just my take 🤷♂️
Of note. Orphan of Kos is NOT marked as a Kin type enemy, while Ebriatas is. We know OoK is the direct offspring of Kos, but, since Ebriatas is Kin, she's probably a surrogate child herself. Not a true Great One, but something nearing the pinnacle of what a human can be uplifted to. Staring over Rom's corpse/discarded shell/whatever could mean anything, but, it could mean she's taking in the mortality of Kin. Between being unable to leave with the others, and seeing Rom meet a mortal end, she may be in the position of so many Fromsoft characters, of realizing she has not, in fact, achieved immortality or a higher state of being, she's just a monster.
Hey Zullie, can you see if visceral attacks really do transform the Hunter's hand into a beastly one for the animation? I noticed the hand looked somewhat beastly for a tiny bit after performing a visceral on Ludwig, and there's a video that shows it up close with the Beast Claw, but what about the other weapons?
Since day one there has been speculation that the Hunter's hand does in fact transform into a more beastial claw, or at least gets very twisted in the visceral animation. Originally players wondered if it was tied to a special stat, but from my time in playing that doesn't seem to be the case regardless of stat or weapon - it just has a crazy looking animation.
@@darkgreedo2 she is not a beast. She wouldn’t wanna harm you in the first place so why hunt her? She’s harmless as she never had anything against humankind 😭😞
Looking at the "Wings" of Ebrietas they look simmilar to the guts and stuff that came out of Mother Kos when the Orphan of Kos came crawling out. So maybe Ebrietas is an actual child of Kos and its mourning Rom in the manner a Sibling mourns the loss of their other sibling.
My thought on that. Orphan of Kos is not marked as a Kin type enemy, while Ebriatas is. It's unlikely to be an oversight, as all the other DLC bosses are correctly tagged, and OoK is of greater significance than say, Lawrence, and OoK being a great one is of greater importance than say, Maria being a Vileblood. Meaning OoK not being Kin is likely very deliberate and significant. We have first hand, absolute certainty that Orphan of Kos is the direct offspring of Kos. We see it birthed, and it bludgeons us with the proof. We don't see this for Ebriatas... meaning she could well be a surrogate herself. Not a true Great One, like OoK, but an uplifted human, possibly one so uplifted that she's mistaken for a Great One by those who don't really know. But, she was left behind, perhaps because being close just isn't enough. Rom would be something more like a true sister to her; unrelated by blood, but sister by both family and circumstance. Rom's death would also be the proof of the difference. Still, fundamentally, mortal, and bound to mortal laws of life and form. Just like Ebriatas. Kin to a Great One, but not truly one, who can be slain not merely within a nightmare, but for good.
Ebreitas is a forgotten Great One. The lore says that when the rest of her kind ascended, she didn't and was likely found by the Church and kept imprisoned.
The Kos name change was brought up in "Lost in Translation-Bloodborne’s True Story Explained" by Last Protagonist, and it has some interesting implications. For example, if Ebrietas was originally Kos, think of Micolash's dialogue. I think he was there in the fishing hamlet when the Brygenwerth scholars found the corpse of Kos, so he would know she is dead- so why pray to her? Well if he is actually trying to seek Ebrietas, then it suddenly becomes about how the healing church choir (a group that is fighting the school of Mensis) secretly has the great one stashed away all along under Micolash's nose. A simple name change can create lots of new ways of interpreting the lore.
This explains a lot about Ebrietas' boss room. You could make the assumption that Ebrietas and Rom were both originally humans before ascending, and thus they have some sort of connection between them, maybe they had a sleepover together one time and bonded because of it. Personally, the idea of development surrounding Ebrietas being altered makes a lot more sense. Who knows, maybe we would have gotten the Orphan of Ebrietas and the Augur of Kos?
Well I think the fact that they found ebrietas deep inside the labyrinth and is the source of the old blood contradicts the theory that she was human once, she is the "left behind" Great one, chained to this realm by the old pthmerus.
It wasn't as simple as the two of them switching places. There's some unused voice lines from the top-hat guy at the start of the game which says something along the lines of "...Until the dank, sweet mud takes us all...upon the awakening...of Ebrietas." There is also an unused item (back when coldblood was instead Fresh Livers, and you could still get the Fresh Livers of bosses) which is called something like "Fresh Liver of Ebrietas' Inheritor" and "Fresh liver of the nightmare's inheritor." These are second to last and last on the list of Fresh Livers, which implies that they are for the last two bosses in the game, Gehrman and the moon presence. Except it's not the moon presence, it's Ebrietas. So it might be that the previous name for the moon presence was Ebrietas, and they just shifted things around.
@@ieatmice751 Isn’t Ebrietas (and Rom) affected by Kin damage modifiers, while explicit Great Ones like the Moon Presence or the Orphan isn’t, implying she isn’t a “true” Great One?
@@kablatai I think Ebrietas was a human since he bleeds gray, like all ascended humans. Perhaps she is called the abandoned one because when Oedon left, as she was not a real great, she could not go with him.
Hey Zullie, I have just one doubt: are there any unused animations for Kos' corpse on Orphan's arena? Would be nice to see if from had any ideas for it during DLC development.
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the corpse of Kos is an object rather than an NPC, which would mean it won't have any animations. Nor am I aware of a Kos NPC (The renamed Ebrietas notwithstanding) that could have animation files.
the way that FromSoft creates bosses in bloodborne is incredible, especially the Great Ones. Like how Lovecraft would describable seemingly indescribable entities FromSoft does a great job at creating entities that you can see not just in your mind but still be confused about what they are/ how they look
My first thought at looing at Ebrietas wasn't cthulu, it was an Elder thing from the mountains of madness. It would trace with ebritas being a "left behind" old one as the rest of her "Elder thing" race. She stayed behind and could not create a child by herself so she transformed Rom into a "surrogate". The more you know about Lovecraft the easier it is to see how the dev team might have used, combine, and cut ideas for the final game
In one of his recent streams, Saint Riot made an interesting observation about Ebrietas.......in a few ways, she's like Seath the Scaless: a great pale, unarmored creature of the "higher" race (the stone dragons for Seath, the great ones for Ebrietas ), that ended up working with the other side ( the gods and Gwyn for Seath, the Choir for Ebrietas......although we know that Seath did it willingly, while we do not know what Ebrietas' deal with the Choir actually is). Their lower bodies and wings also have similarities, and they have the same weakness to shock damage. Of course they are very different characters for the most part, but I did find this observation quite fascinating.
I've thought that the corpse of Rom was like a past cocoon or something, since the name Ebrietas comes from a family/type of butterfly. So, it was looking at its past form, hinting at the process of ascending into a Great One or something similar. This comes with some pretty big holes, though. Like why Rom is called a spider and not a caterpillar. Maybe because spider sounds way more cool and intimidating. And I still don't know what the significance of "Daughter of the Cosmos" would be in relation to that. I remember reading/hearing somewhere about the origin of Ebrietas's name, and I feel like it would be a pretty significant choice to name her that specifically. She even has wings...I don't know of that's another hint, but I thought it was worth pointing out. My insight is a little bit on the low side
I'd say its probably both to an extent. Ebrietas is mourning Rom, but Rom was forced into a similar dream state to Micolash to put up the illusion hiding the moon and ritual. If Rom was able to remain awake and alive, she likely would have ascended to a similar form to Ebreitas. But, due to being in the dream and dead outside, she is trapped in the intermediate spider form, ergo the title. Altar of Despair is found under the Church's main altar. It isnt a stretch to conclude that Rom's true body was impounded down there for protection from Hunters. However, Ebrietas found her way down (and destroyed most of the altar on the way) to grieve for her sister. Due to the nature of the illusion being focused on the moon, however, Rom had a second way to be accessed, the moon pool, looked over by the old dude. Micolash was building a ritual that was applied in stages, so he could avoid that fatal weakness.
According to the wiki, "Ebrietas" could either be referring to the word in latin meaning "inebriated", which could potentially have links to the old blood inebriating the populace of Yharnam, meaning she might be its source, OR it's the name of a genus of butterfly.
@@TheEditedOne If her blood is what started the Healing Church and thus the scourge of beasts in Yharnam then Ebrietas becomes a butterfly of doom in a rather literal sense.
The idea of mourning appears to have been kept, according to a quote at the end of the Rosmarinus's description : "Oh, fair maiden, why is it that you weep?". The Healing Church and Ebrietas are linked, as she is most likely the "holy medium" the Byrgenwerth scholars found. Edit : forgot to write "scholars" lol
I'm very positive that I saw a translation of her theme's lyrics into that exact quote. Let me look for it. Here it is ruclips.net/video/w5gSbMKo-oY/видео.html I can't imagine what lore implications this might suggests.
@@mulleralban4703 so ebreitas Was meant to be the central great one focused around the blood of the healing church. She was the central figure of worship. There were two schools of thought: -The church wanted to obtain transcendence using the great ones blood -The school wanted to use enlightenment via insight So when Micolash is exclaiming how kos granted rom Eyes, it makes much more sense that the central figure of yarn them would be the one that elevated her. That being the cause of what split the two ideologies. However, I think they wanted to find a way to make the story more expensive and tie everything together so they made it kos a separate identity all together. The only problem is in the current version of bloodborne every great one has a surrogate except for ebreitas. Whereas in the original concept a ebreitas’ surrogate was Rom
@@Micolashcage1 Interesting theory but i think the both roms are separated entities Ebrietas was found in the Old Labyrinth whiles Kos was at the fishing hamlet doing her cosmic magic and infecting it's inhabitants and also gave rom eyes. I think the rom we see being mourned was a child ebrietas tried to save by giving it eyes but died due being a weak celestial child so it mourns the loss of its kin. But then again i
It vaguely resembles chtulu with a snail body/skin, we can somehow “see” her legs turned into twin tails and something that resembles a human torso, her wings looks more like extended membranae instead of actual wings, her head looks reminisced of Cthulhu head but with Marine sponges or even coral growing out of it with a pair of eyes that may or may not have been human; added to all of that a copious amount of “squid/like” tentacles and appendages
It might be that they just tried to make a more interesting Cthulhu. He's not described in great detail in "Call of Cthulhu," so any depiction of him is a somewhat vague artistic interpretation. If I remember right, it's something like a human with cephalopod features and dragon wings, so I'd say Ebrietas fits the bill there.
Its only possible to access Ebrietas after killing Rom so it could be Rom's corpse, but I don't know how rom's corpse would get there if she died in the lake. Also there is a Rom boss in the chalice dungeons so I don't know, bloodborne is confusing.
@@riccardodessi5387 This is probably the key here. I saw in another comment someone suggest what Rom is is basically a cocoon of a Great One, and they will become akin to Ebreitas. But, if they have to host a nightmare, that cant happen since they're frozen in the dream as their body whithers away outside. So the despair is Ebreitas grieving for Kos, the only other being she could relate to, being forced to upkeep an illusion to safeguard the Moon Presence and the school's plan. Honestly I can see a scenario where if you dont kill Ebreitas, she appears in the true ending to welcome the Hunter to the family, knowing they'll be at least somewhat aware if themselves as they mature.
@Doom Posterior I mean according to what I heard, Ebrietas was Found inside the chalice dungeon. So yeah it could be a memory brought to life like the nightmare world.
@Boa-Noah Ebrietas could literally be the child of the good hunter. There is absolutely no information on where she came from, therefore there is no proving or disproving any theories. All we know is that she worked with the Choir at one point.
It's almost like she's morning her sister maybe? They say the gods of bloodborne are, by some counts, sympathetic in nature to humans, so it could be something like that
I don’t know why, but I find Ebrietas so fascinating. She’s definitely my favorite of Bloodborne’s Great Ones. Sequestered away, non-hostile until made hostile, friendly enough to humans, giving us her augur, living in the great cathedral, mourning Rom. Summoning Rom? Reviving Rom? Her design - repulsive yet beautiful, cosmic yet oceanic, ghostly yet alive, soothing and disturbing... I try not to kill her in my playthroughs, though sometimes I need that Isz chalice, baby!
Ebrietas is such a brilliant character design. At once: She's a being that puts anything Lovecraft wrote completely to shame in how utterly unlike any lifeform we're familiar with is structured. She defies comparison even to the marine creatures who typically have inspired such entities; any passing resemblance is nothing more than that -- perhaps you could compare her to certain forms of coral, certain varieties of sea slug or prehistoric crinoid, but those only insinuate at the shape rather than properly describe it. This is a true *alien.*
At the same time: Her presence and demeanor actively defy the viewer's inclination towards loathing and antipathy. Any disgust we might feel at her appearance is the implicit fault of the viewer for judging, not the fault of this individual for the anatomy of her species -- and indeed, given the color palette and sympathetic framing, there's a clear invitation to the viewer to see that there is beauty and elegance here. Ultimately: Ebrietas is *not* a monster. She is a tragic character who, in some way that is never explicitly told yet is clearly implied, has been *deeply wronged.* You cannot make it better...although you CAN make it worse, and there's little question of who the monster is at that point.
From Software, as great as they are, have a bit of a "busy" design aesthetic. I'm usually not to scared by what I'm seeing, no matter how grotesque, just because I have to study the thing for a few minutes just to get a basic understanding of its silhouette and skeletal structure. For myself, the most memorable enemy in the series is the most simple: a giant dog carrying a sword in its mouth.
I like this bc I think it’s playing into the cosmic horror trope of something being horrifying by nature of it being outside our comprehension. Having to analyze what you’re seeing bc it’s so abnormal and intangible at first could have been From’s way of translating that effect?
Rom was probably Ebrietas's only chance at having another Great One as company in her lonely abandonment. Rom might of been like a little sister to her.
My theory is that Ebrietas was using Rom as a means to reach out to the cosmos. Whenever lumin flowers appear, they seem to have a strong connection to the astral plane. The lumin centipede (florescent flower in the wiki) utilises a single lumin flower to summon a meteor, and Roms back is covered in them, granting her even stronger cosmic abilities. So the choir finds Roms physical body, which had been hidden away in the tomb of the gods by Wilem. They present her to Ebrietas and form a partnership which grants them access to two powerful strains of blood. The first is her clear blood which produces celestial emissaries in successful hosts, and brainsuckers in failed hosts. The second is the pure blood of Oedon, which she summons through the cosmic portal that constitutes her face. She is mourning Roms death because you've effectively destroyed her best hope of ever returning home.
This one is rather simple I think. Kos is that slug thing the Child of Kos crawls out from in the fish DLC (unless I missed something), and Ebrietas was probably Kos's first direct child. If Rom was ascended to be a Great One, Ebrietas would no doubt see Rom as her sister. So Rom being killed would lead Ebreitas to mourne......until Rom's killer shows up at least.
There is no reason to think Ebrietis is a child of Kos. The only reason I can think of that you would think that is Kos is also known as Kosm which sounds similar to Cosmos but that makes no sense. It would be like saying "guitar" collects rainwater because it sounds like "gutter."
@@jacobhoover1654 The comment didn't imply any of that? The connection is kinda weak, but why would it be tied to the name of Kos? I think Ebrietas was just lonely, then came proto-Rom, who then died, and now Ebrietas is lonely again 😉
@@yannickdewit7089 the comment literally says "Ebrietas was probably Kid's first direct child," & I'm saying there is no evidence in the game to support that.
@@jacobhoover1654 I probably thought of that because Ebrietas's epithet is literally "Daughter of the Cosmos", which Micolash informs us is an alias for Kos in his ramblings. It isnt a huge stretch dude
@@jacobhoover1654 oh I agree with you, there's no real evidence, but you proposed what you think could be the evidence and then attack that, while the comment didn't state any
Always called it the mac & cheese boss. Cheese because it's attacks are pretty cheesy and it had a great multiplayer bug that let you skip it and mac because... well... look at it.
Everything in this game is either sinister, disturbing, or distressing. But somehow, at the center of all of it, Ebrietas is just really cute. I want a plushie of her at this point.
I've finished this game multiple times, and around the 5th time i noticed there was a trophy i was missing for this boss, i was excited that I'd missed a boss, so i started a new game to fight her, then my ps4 broke down lol, i guess it's just not meant to be.
@@aetherspiralknight lol, thanks for the thought, but I'm getting a ps5 soon, hopefully bloodborne will get a 60fps patch by then, but that remains a distant dream.
Much too disturbed by all of Bloodbourne's monsters to ever want to play it, so everything I learn out of context from this channel is just so completely surreal, every time
I will always remember this boss for one solid reason. Damien. Me and a friend were just having fun with exploring everything until we came to this boss. We just hated how long it took and such, so we summoned Damien (the NPC Hunter). We expected a hard fight but Damien took the bosses attention and the boss took him all the way to the corner! Damien was taking ALL the aggro while me and my bro killed this boss. Damien lived until the very end...his sacrifice will NEVER be forgotten by us.
Jeez the timeline of those changes makes it hard to dechiper what any of it is supposed to mean. My best guess is that Ebertias might be mourning the loss of a kindred spirit, as I'm sure the healing church must be responsible for what happened to Rom-lookalike here, much like I'm sure they exploited Ebertias herself.
Ebrietas' design makes sense to me. She appears, for the most part, to be a bunch of sea creatures crushed together into one thing. Admittedly, I don't know what's up with the wings. The "macaroni" on her face is probably tube worms. Which is another reference to water, especially deep water, in Bloodborne, which is also important in Lovecraft's stories, like The Shadow Over Innsmouth. A story that almost certainly helped inspire the fishing hamlet, where we find Kos.
I wanna see close ups and inspections of the Bloodletting Beast, Bloodstarved Beast, Darkbeast, and Abhorrent Beast. All too ferocious to get a look at for the most part.
Another character who completely changed in development was the doll. Prior to the DLC’s retcons, the doll was going to be based on a woman from Cainhurst, most likely the Vileblood queen (not Annalise, but an earlier concept of the Vileblood queen) who was kidnapped by the Healing Church and used in a ritual to summon the Moon Presence. This was the original purpose behind the Cainhurst raid and the executioners in this early version of the story as well. The doll was supposed to have been created by Gehrman’s apprentice (not Gerhman, and not based on the apprentice) but based on the Vileblood queen. Maria was something they came up with for the DLC, and they retroactively wrote the story about her, Gerhman, and the doll when they created the DLC.
I always thought of Ebrietas as a sort of funerary singer in this moment. The idea of "The Choir" always led me to believe Ebrietas sings for the great ones and here I thought of her as being found after singing a send-off to Rom and mourning her destruction
i feel like the design of ebrietas really captures the feel of Lovecraft's eldritch horrors, it's a pretty impressive accomplishment since his descriptions are deliberately vague and confused
Rom if I remember is supposed to be childlike and possibly an actual child transformed. The legs of the “rom” on the altar are fully developed while the legs on Rom the Vacuous are not. I think the altar “rom” is a former servant or church member that was transformed and died for some unknown reason - someone that Ebreitas cared for
My mind has always been Ebrietas knew Rom and worked with her before her uplifting, and when Rom was uplifted to being Great One kin her mind, like that of many great ones, ended up on a different plane (see the space within the lake). To this end her mind changed more than her body, and eventually her body and mind separated as in the physical realm she was unable to function. This would lead to Ebrietas possibly tending to the body of Rom and upon our defeat of Rom, her body is lifeless. Like how we see many who have gone to the nightmare in a non-physical way. So to this end the Alter of Despair is more about the morning of failure to uplift Rom properly and a monument to a success turned failure. This is why we see it in the area with the Emissaries, in the past, the living failures, and the space in general is about finding different ways to achieve uplifting of humanity.
I’m getting the vibe from the comments that everyone who fought her wasn’t scared or particularly challenged by the fight. I think that’s a good thing for us to see a gentler creature with its grotesque design it’s amazing we can even come to that idea
In my head canon ebriatas and rom were both pthumaerians trying to ascend to a great one. Ebriatas being an example of a “failed ascension” and rom completing the process in a way but having enough insight before losing it to create her own little pocket that acts as a veil hiding what can’t be seen with the naked eye. Ebriatas is mourning a lost friend. It’s been a long time but she doesn’t have the same concept of time as everyone else does because well the process of ascension has a effected her in many ways so it could be like rom died a couple hours ago by her perception when it “reality” many stages have passed. Not confirmed tho just my head canon that explains it
Considering we fight Roms astral self relatively, I think its entirely likely that this altar is the "corporeal" form of the ascended Rom of whom we fight in the moonside lake.
I'm so glad you brought them up. I fought Ebrietas for the first time recently and exclaimed "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT" at my screen in hasty whispers at 4AM, unable to truly grasp what the the fresh hell I was looking at. It's such a beautiful and completely distinct design. FROM just continues to show us what it means to innovate in a tried genre of media.
We find Rom and Ebrietas in the Chalice Dungeons, so maybe they're not really dead when we 'kill' them in their non-Chalice boss fights? Maybe Ebrietas isn't mourning, Considering all the old hunters we can summon, the flow of time is probably pretty convoluted in Yharnam too. Maybe it's more like this: Ebrietas: (in Great One language) 🙄 Great, now I have to wait for Rom to respawn. (After Ebrietas fight) Rom: You too, huh? Ebrietas: 😠
I’ve always interpreted that as loneliness. The only being it ever had anything in common with is dead now, and all Ebriatas can do is sit there and stare at it and hope one day they aren’t alone anymore, again.
Ebreitas is a loli confirmed
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I think it would be cool to have an alt ending, where if you dont kill Ebreitas she appears in the True ending and carefully caresses the Hunter, accepting them into the family. The fact an eldrich horror was mourning at all means they likely think different than the Moon Presence to some extent, and might even be sympathetic if not supremely out of touch with humanity
When you look at the description of the Augur of Ebrietas, it does say she's that she was "abandoned," so it's not by her own choice to be alone.
@@clayxros576 That would be awesome if it was added to the Childhood's Beginning ending, mirroring how the Doll holds you as an infant Great One.
One distinct possibility is that the Altar spider may not even necessarily be Rom, as it has very different legs. It could be that Rom's design was significantly changed and the Altar represents an earlier iteration, or it could be an intentional way of showing that there has been more than one person uplifted in a similar way, creating more Great One kin that are devoid of thought.
Hey I have a request! What does the sky on bloodborne look like when you beat a boss and the night progresses? Does it just change immediately or is there an animation tied to it?
I have always been confused by this, why/ how do we know Rom is devoid of thought, her piecing by backside with a meteor seemed pretty intentional?!
@@esgown4184 That's what the term "vacuous" means.
@@ZullietheWitch If I remember right, isn't the literal translation of Rom's full name a little more, uh, on the nose?
Interesting... 🤔
Her design always made me think of innocence and elegancy, something about her slimy white skin made me think of silk dresses
Her design always Makes me vomit
@@Troupe_Master the duality of man
Yeah when you first walk in it's almost like a lady in white silks and a bonnet praying before the altar.
I definitely get innocence, those great big green eyes are full of wonder ✨
@@hexadecima495 what a perfect little angel
Interestingly the version of Rom petrified at the Alter still has spider legs attached whereas the one we fight has holes where those legs should be.
Either that or the petrified Rom is so dehydrated that the legs are just out, and the living Rom has them but they have receded into her body.
Boss Rom has legs though.
@@ExplosiveFetus Small caterpillar-like legs, not the large spider legs you see on the alter version.
@@ExplosiveFetus If that was meant for me, I'm thinking she has two different sets of legs - long spider legs that her bloated body grew to cover up, and then the smaller legs that sprouted presumably because she needed some way to move around.
I can't imagine much lore reason for any of this, other than just emphasizing how fucked up Rom's botched ascension was. Like she metamorphosed multiple times over into some unnatural clusterfuck of a Great One.
@@Er404ChannelNotFound Models change during development, and the other guy in this thread mentioned its probably from the body decaying.
I feel like there's a really obvious answer to this Rom issue people are overlooking- Can't she be dead in the real world but still lasting on in a dream, that being the lake she's contained within? It could be that she died a long, long time ago- maybe they couldn't control her in life to have her serve the function they wished her to, and thus she was sacrificed- perhaps even 'made vacuous'- in order to achieve their ends. Perhaps that was the point at which Ebrietas stopped working with humanity directly- too mesmerized by the loss that she thought she could avoid. I ain't a buff though
No I think you hit the nail on the head.
@Boa-Noah Ebrietas came before Rom.
@Boa-Noah I might be confusing headcanon with actual lore but I’m pretty sure the healing blood comes from Ebrietas so she was definitely before Rom.
@Punklove Lustgrip pretty sure the DLC makes it clear Kos and Ebrietas are different beings.
@Boa-Noah unlikely bc the whole points of bloodborne that great ones envy humans for birth they moan for a child to give birth they can give birth by surrogate mother but the child will die for every great one will lose it child and moan for a replacement، thats why they captured humans or other creatures into dreams like gherman or micolash or even mergo, mergo died but his consciousness was stuck in a dream by the nurse she wanted him as a child, the other thing if a great one give birth by itself the great one will die or the baby will die, kos was a affectionate mother who loved her ppl and didnt chose a surrogate mother she gived her birth by herself sacrifice herself for a baby but stupid Laurence did all the classic story and start a nightmare and a curse, so ebritas and rom have no children mostly the only thing we know about ebritas that shes a falling great one the other left her and abandoned her she willingly co op with humans and teach them some cosmic knowledge and power one of the tool we can use its to summon her octopus hands and ig this is my theory that ebritas is on the altar is crying or yearn for the past for her life
What if the “Rom” of the Altar is not a dead being but the former shell of Ebrietas? Its wings are similar to those of a butterfly, maybe its life cycle is the same but the cocoon is a Rom-like creature
Meaning that rom is mindless possibly as a cocoon which reforms into an even higher being
That‘s actually a good theory
Oh yeah it's true that Ebrietas is also a genus of butterflies
Shit, that's a theory I hadn't heard. Interesting idea!
So Rom if left alone may have become a true great one?
Perhaps the form the hunter takes in the ending is the first stage, Rom-like spiders the second, and so on?
I always assumed Ebrietas's title "Daughter of the Cosmos" was an allusion to Kos. From Micolash's line "Kos, or some say Kosm" I guessed that maybe Kos was known by some as Cosmos. Maybe Cosmos is a basterdisation of Kosm or vice versa. If true, that would see Rom as almost being a sibling to Ebrietas
This is what I've always assumed, now that I think about it. I took Ebrietas' title literally - she is a daughter of the cosmos, in a context where the cosmos is very much capable of giving birth to a living being. Her standing watch over the corpse of a Rom-like being, one that was likely literally born of Kos, has always seemed to me like the mourning of a lost sibling. Perhaps Ebrietas was created by the Choir, as well, making the two functionally sisters.
I stopped trying to understand this stuff long ago. Considering that Dark Souls is already very cryptic, trying to find sense in a game inspired by lovecraftian lore is like trying to hold sand in your fist
bingo
@@SIGNOR-G that's the magic of bloodborne
You can't really understand what kind of chaos the lore its all about
@@justkosmo6806 Well that can't be, the Healing Church found Ebrietas, that's why she is called "The Great One left behind", they never created her, but she cooperates with humans, with the Choir being in charge of experimenting and protecting her.
One of the best things Bloodborne carried over, from Lovecraftian design, was aesthetic like this. Visually beyond human understanding.
I just realized two things. Firsly, Ebrietas has eyes in her brain - also, that's an exposed brain, apparently. Secondly, Ebrietas is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
"I'm struggling to understand what i'm seeing"
The madlads really made incomprehensible eldritch monsters and you LOVE to see it.
The character design in Bloodborne is fantastic. They really nailed the cosmic horror genre. When I first saw Ebrietas or the Winter lanterns, I was like "WTF is this shit. I'm gonna have nightmares for weeks now".
Ebrietas is my favorite visual representation of an eldritch horror. She looks so unnatural, wrong, and confusing that she really gives me the incomprehensibly alien vibe that eldritch horrors are always described as. I just adore her.
And is still kinda cute
Ebriatussy
We fight Rom on the Moonside Lake only after falling through it ourselves, the "upside-down" nature of this Eldritch bulwark suggests that the arena where we fight Rom is part of the Nightmare or maybe somewhere in-between, if we believe lakes/oceans are mediums to this higher plane of existence.
If Ebrietas is the "left-behind Great One," what was she left behind from? If we, as hunters, can only access the Dream after dying, maybe Great Ones are no different, so Ebrietas is mourning/despairing (Altar of Despair is called "Altar of Grief" in Japanese version) Rom's passage into the Nightmare, through death, to the Moonside Lake. This also explains why Rom the Vacuous Spider doesn't appear as a true spider in the boss fight, but the head in the Altar of Despair has the appropriate 8-legs.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Darn you typed up all my thoughts before I could. Ah well, at least they're typed lol bravo!
This is the cleanest theory. The Moonside lake IS part of the nightmare. The real Rom was already dead.
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Death in Bloodborn acts as a threshold to a higher existence. Sometimes you come back to the same world as something new (hunter), sometimes you create a new world in a dream as your body dies (Micolash). While I agree it usnt confirmed the hunter dies for sure, they are able to return from death dye to the existence if the Dream.
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Agreed. Whatever the Hunters do, they clearly avoid death and are capable of directly entering the Nightmares of others. I think a Dream is a form of ascension without death, while a Nightmare requires death, but is far more powerful in its applications. Rom sustained a city wide illusion, and Micolash was able to covertly conduct reality changing rituals. Hunters avoid death, at the cost of losing unconverted blood echoes. The difference in magnitude is clear
@@EnvyMachinery It has been suggested by some that what gave the Good Hunter access to the Hunter's Dream is the contract they signed before the blood ministration.
If we go by Ebrietas' lore then she may be simply mourning the passing of Rom due to her more docile and agreeable nature
also she is the great one that cooperated the most with humans, so my personal interpretation is that she really wanted humans to ascend and now she mourns Rom because the one human that did succeed is dead and all the rest of them have failed
@@darrenfleming7901 Maybe she wanted humanity to ascend for the greater good of both species (humans and kins/great ones) but she's sad because it failed even after going through do much.
@@darrenfleming7901 I dont think she wanted humans to ascend, I think SHE wanted to ascend but could not, hence her "left behind" title. I believe she would like to help so she can also ascend, once the church (using her blood and likely advice) figures out how to ascend themselves.
Ebrietas' name alludes to the concept of being "blood-drunk" that Hunters and those close to the Great Ones experience (her name means "drunkenness" or "inebriation" in Latin). It also seems to be a reference to the type of butterfly with the same name, as it vaguely resembles one when all spread out. Finally, it also resembles the female reproductive organs, again especially when splayed―another recurring theme of the game and a possible reference to her role as both "Daughter of the Cosmos" and as the sort of mother-like figure in the "rebirth" of characters like Rom as Great Ones.
In general, her design is clearly meant to evoke the moist, sloppy, fleshy, yet monstrously warped psychosexual horror of the kind all too typical of Lovecraftian monsters, and I think it's clear that that design is heavily tied to her obscure role in the story
I thought she was just based off a racist caricature of a welsh person.
Micolash's "Kos or some say Kosm" line often gets attributed to an extension of the word cosmos.
But I always think of it more like 'jizm' the antiquated form of 'jizz'.
People don't talk enough about the psychosexual aspects of Bloodborne. It's a shame really, so much metaphor and symbolism gets missed as a result.
Like, Daughter of the Cosmos implies childlike characteristics. At least relationally. So the virginal aspects alluded to in the titlr make it unlikely that Ebrietas is a motherly figure, as some people want to suggest.
Instead, her story suggests a tragic existence. An unwanted or abandoned daughter. An afterthought or maybe even an accident.
She looms over a Rom like figure in a pool of water. This sort of imagery has been used elsewhere to imply tears. A sort of hyperbolized notion of crying so much that a pool forms.
Meanwhile, she belches up blood and bile in her fight. She's representative of all these different bodily fluids and I think there's a lot to that which can help unravel her mystery.
@@thebigenchilada678 what lmao
@@EnvyMachinery Witch of hemwick gonna make me act up
@@rainbowkrampus Now i'm curious, what aspects? Honestly, no creature in bloodborne seems "psychosexual" to me, i don't even think From actually had that in mind with the creature concepts
Only one that comes to mind is Lady maria, but i think she only fits the "psycho" part of the word
You're seeing a real beauty
Yes! Ebreitas is the best waifu
Ebrietas' body shape always makes me think of the Pisaca from the Duke's Archives in DS1.
Ebrietas' theme is one of the best in Soulsborne imo. It's a shame not everyone gets to hear the whole of it, much like Gundyr's or the Deacons' themes.
It’s a shame that the boss is that hidden
i also love gundyr and deacons theme
Well the soundtrack is available for streaming if someone wants to listen.
This is one of the best boss designs in the series IMO, it's just totally unsettling.
The first time you don't even know what side you're looking at.
@@Yora21 i remember some people entering her arena and thinking she was a dragon due to her silhouette only to be *very* surprised when they fight her
It always reminded me of the appearance of plantar warts...
Well we see at a number of points in the game that there’s a difference between the physical form of a being like a Great One and its form within a Dream. I view the Dreams as a sort of state of ascension or afterlife, whether to a place of penance or punishment like the Hunter’s Dream / Nightmare, to a purgatorial/bulwark state like Rom’s arena, or potentially to somewhere beyond those purposes, like the Frontier and the School of Mensis. Ebrietas is described as an “abandoned” Great One- maybe her presence here at the Altar of Despair is literally her despairing that she has been left behind in the physical world, where others like Rom and the Moon Presence seem to have transcended their physical forms- whether by their own power or by the machinations of other beings. It also seems that the church found and abused Ebrietas’ power to maintain their hold on Yharnam, which feeds into the idea of her despair- a desire to be freed from her bondage on the physical plane. That’s just my take 🤷♂️
Of note.
Orphan of Kos is NOT marked as a Kin type enemy, while Ebriatas is.
We know OoK is the direct offspring of Kos, but, since Ebriatas is Kin, she's probably a surrogate child herself. Not a true Great One, but something nearing the pinnacle of what a human can be uplifted to.
Staring over Rom's corpse/discarded shell/whatever could mean anything, but, it could mean she's taking in the mortality of Kin. Between being unable to leave with the others, and seeing Rom meet a mortal end, she may be in the position of so many Fromsoft characters, of realizing she has not, in fact, achieved immortality or a higher state of being, she's just a monster.
The Alter of Despair reminds me of when you see The Fair Lady in DS3
visions of sadness
Who is that Fair Lady?
@@Lepoetism in Dark Souls 1 she is the leader of the Chaos Servant Covenant
Every generation, pokemon get more and more overdesigned, I tell you what!
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underrated comment hahaha
So her ability is ultraboost?
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The pokemon that won't get caught.
Hey Zullie, can you see if visceral attacks really do transform the Hunter's hand into a beastly one for the animation? I noticed the hand looked somewhat beastly for a tiny bit after performing a visceral on Ludwig, and there's a video that shows it up close with the Beast Claw, but what about the other weapons?
Since day one there has been speculation that the Hunter's hand does in fact transform into a more beastial claw, or at least gets very twisted in the visceral animation. Originally players wondered if it was tied to a special stat, but from my time in playing that doesn't seem to be the case regardless of stat or weapon - it just has a crazy looking animation.
I glitched a little bit and saw the hand transform to a beasts hand from that what I remember.
no it doesn't
ENB had a video about that
The hunter's hand does not transform. Video proof: ruclips.net/video/J4-w9zE6wiY/видео.html
Ebrietas' design, mainly her pose when you walk in and especially her wings always reminded me of the drawing of C'thulu Lovecraft himself drew
A being of pure eldrich madness. I gained insight just from watching this.
Ebriatas did nothing wrong.
@@Ayahuasca98A hunter must hunt
@@darkgreedo2 she is not a beast. She wouldn’t wanna harm you in the first place so why hunt her? She’s harmless as she never had anything against humankind 😭😞
@@Ayahuasca98 A HOONTER MUST HOONT!
"I'm struggling to understand what I'm seeing."
From: "Good."
Looking at the "Wings" of Ebrietas they look simmilar to the guts and stuff that came out of Mother Kos when the Orphan of Kos came crawling out. So maybe Ebrietas is an actual child of Kos and its mourning Rom in the manner a Sibling mourns the loss of their other sibling.
My thought on that.
Orphan of Kos is not marked as a Kin type enemy, while Ebriatas is.
It's unlikely to be an oversight, as all the other DLC bosses are correctly tagged, and OoK is of greater significance than say, Lawrence, and OoK being a great one is of greater importance than say, Maria being a Vileblood. Meaning OoK not being Kin is likely very deliberate and significant.
We have first hand, absolute certainty that Orphan of Kos is the direct offspring of Kos. We see it birthed, and it bludgeons us with the proof.
We don't see this for Ebriatas... meaning she could well be a surrogate herself. Not a true Great One, like OoK, but an uplifted human, possibly one so uplifted that she's mistaken for a Great One by those who don't really know. But, she was left behind, perhaps because being close just isn't enough.
Rom would be something more like a true sister to her; unrelated by blood, but sister by both family and circumstance. Rom's death would also be the proof of the difference. Still, fundamentally, mortal, and bound to mortal laws of life and form. Just like Ebriatas. Kin to a Great One, but not truly one, who can be slain not merely within a nightmare, but for good.
Ebreitas is a forgotten Great One. The lore says that when the rest of her kind ascended, she didn't and was likely found by the Church and kept imprisoned.
The Kos name change was brought up in "Lost in Translation-Bloodborne’s True Story Explained" by Last Protagonist, and it has some interesting implications. For example, if Ebrietas was originally Kos, think of Micolash's dialogue. I think he was there in the fishing hamlet when the Brygenwerth scholars found the corpse of Kos, so he would know she is dead- so why pray to her? Well if he is actually trying to seek Ebrietas, then it suddenly becomes about how the healing church choir (a group that is fighting the school of Mensis) secretly has the great one stashed away all along under Micolash's nose. A simple name change can create lots of new ways of interpreting the lore.
She's my favourite boss of bloodborne. I love the design and the mystic lore of the great ones, even if its pretty unclear who she really is now
This explains a lot about Ebrietas' boss room. You could make the assumption that Ebrietas and Rom were both originally humans before ascending, and thus they have some sort of connection between them, maybe they had a sleepover together one time and bonded because of it.
Personally, the idea of development surrounding Ebrietas being altered makes a lot more sense. Who knows, maybe we would have gotten the Orphan of Ebrietas and the Augur of Kos?
Well I think the fact that they found ebrietas deep inside the labyrinth and is the source of the old blood contradicts the theory that she was human once, she is the "left behind" Great one, chained to this realm by the old pthmerus.
It wasn't as simple as the two of them switching places. There's some unused voice lines from the top-hat guy at the start of the game which says something along the lines of "...Until the dank, sweet mud takes us all...upon the awakening...of Ebrietas." There is also an unused item (back when coldblood was instead Fresh Livers, and you could still get the Fresh Livers of bosses) which is called something like "Fresh Liver of Ebrietas' Inheritor" and "Fresh liver of the nightmare's inheritor." These are second to last and last on the list of Fresh Livers, which implies that they are for the last two bosses in the game, Gehrman and the moon presence. Except it's not the moon presence, it's Ebrietas. So it might be that the previous name for the moon presence was Ebrietas, and they just shifted things around.
Nah ebrietas is full blown eldritch being from the cosmos, she isn’t kin
@@ieatmice751 Isn’t Ebrietas (and Rom) affected by Kin damage modifiers, while explicit Great Ones like the Moon Presence or the Orphan isn’t, implying she isn’t a “true” Great One?
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I think Ebrietas was a human since he bleeds gray, like all ascended humans. Perhaps she is called the abandoned one because when Oedon left, as she was not a real great, she could not go with him.
Struggling to understand what you're looking at fits verry well with the whole Lovecraft "indescribable mass" descriptions of his earlier writings.
new theory: ebrietas and rom were bffs
lesbians*
@@friendlylittledragon4485 YES EVEN BETTER
And they were roommates…
100% support for lesbian rom and ebrietas, it is hereby canon
Im gonna need a Rosmarinus for this comment section.
Hey Zullie, I have just one doubt: are there any unused animations for Kos' corpse on Orphan's arena? Would be nice to see if from had any ideas for it during DLC development.
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the corpse of Kos is an object rather than an NPC, which would mean it won't have any animations. Nor am I aware of a Kos NPC (The renamed Ebrietas notwithstanding) that could have animation files.
I remember my first bout with the Great Macaroni God...
...and the second, third, fourth, fifth and so on...
The true spaghetti monster.
Creepiest pasta I've ever seen.
the way that FromSoft creates bosses in bloodborne is incredible, especially the Great Ones. Like how Lovecraft would describable seemingly indescribable entities FromSoft does a great job at creating entities that you can see not just in your mind but still be confused about what they are/ how they look
My first thought at looing at Ebrietas wasn't cthulu, it was an Elder thing from the mountains of madness. It would trace with ebritas being a "left behind" old one as the rest of her "Elder thing" race. She stayed behind and could not create a child by herself so she transformed Rom into a "surrogate". The more you know about Lovecraft the easier it is to see how the dev team might have used, combine, and cut ideas for the final game
In one of his recent streams, Saint Riot made an interesting observation about Ebrietas.......in a few ways, she's like Seath the Scaless: a great pale, unarmored creature of the "higher" race (the stone dragons for Seath, the great ones for Ebrietas ), that ended up working with the other side ( the gods and Gwyn for Seath, the Choir for Ebrietas......although we know that Seath did it willingly, while we do not know what Ebrietas' deal with the Choir actually is).
Their lower bodies and wings also have similarities, and they have the same weakness to shock damage. Of course they are very different characters for the most part, but I did find this observation quite fascinating.
I've thought that the corpse of Rom was like a past cocoon or something, since the name Ebrietas comes from a family/type of butterfly. So, it was looking at its past form, hinting at the process of ascending into a Great One or something similar.
This comes with some pretty big holes, though. Like why Rom is called a spider and not a caterpillar. Maybe because spider sounds way more cool and intimidating. And I still don't know what the significance of "Daughter of the Cosmos" would be in relation to that.
I remember reading/hearing somewhere about the origin of Ebrietas's name, and I feel like it would be a pretty significant choice to name her that specifically. She even has wings...I don't know of that's another hint, but I thought it was worth pointing out.
My insight is a little bit on the low side
I'd say its probably both to an extent. Ebrietas is mourning Rom, but Rom was forced into a similar dream state to Micolash to put up the illusion hiding the moon and ritual. If Rom was able to remain awake and alive, she likely would have ascended to a similar form to Ebreitas. But, due to being in the dream and dead outside, she is trapped in the intermediate spider form, ergo the title.
Altar of Despair is found under the Church's main altar. It isnt a stretch to conclude that Rom's true body was impounded down there for protection from Hunters. However, Ebrietas found her way down (and destroyed most of the altar on the way) to grieve for her sister. Due to the nature of the illusion being focused on the moon, however, Rom had a second way to be accessed, the moon pool, looked over by the old dude. Micolash was building a ritual that was applied in stages, so he could avoid that fatal weakness.
According to the wiki, "Ebrietas" could either be referring to the word in latin meaning "inebriated", which could potentially have links to the old blood inebriating the populace of Yharnam, meaning she might be its source, OR it's the name of a genus of butterfly.
@@TheEditedOne Ah, I didn't know that about the Latin word! The butterfly theory might be completely out of left field then, haha.
@@cosmic_cobalt No you're probably on to something. There *is* a genus of butterfly named "Ebrietas." It's probably meant to convey a double meaning.
@@TheEditedOne If her blood is what started the Healing Church and thus the scourge of beasts in Yharnam then Ebrietas becomes a butterfly of doom in a rather literal sense.
The idea of mourning appears to have been kept, according to a quote at the end of the Rosmarinus's description : "Oh, fair maiden, why is it that you weep?".
The Healing Church and Ebrietas are linked, as she is most likely the "holy medium" the Byrgenwerth scholars found.
Edit : forgot to write "scholars" lol
I'm very positive that I saw a translation of her theme's lyrics into that exact quote. Let me look for it.
Here it is ruclips.net/video/w5gSbMKo-oY/видео.html
I can't imagine what lore implications this might suggests.
Wild, terrifying, and interesting don't begin to sum up these designs!
Don't make fun of her appearance everyone, she doesn't like it (she's shy) she is perfect the way she is 😊
During my blind playthrough l nicknamed Ebriatas "The Macaroni Dragon."
Do with that as you like.
Ebreitas being kos Actually makes the blood-borne story makes sense. They probably had to retcon and change some stuff in order for the DLC to fit in
Can you explain a bit more please?
@@mulleralban4703 so ebreitas Was meant to be the central great one focused around the blood of the healing church. She was the central figure of worship. There were two schools of thought:
-The church wanted to obtain transcendence using the great ones blood
-The school wanted to use enlightenment via insight
So when Micolash is exclaiming how kos granted rom Eyes, it makes much more sense that the central figure of yarn them would be the one that elevated her. That being the cause of what split the two ideologies.
However, I think they wanted to find a way to make the story more expensive and tie everything together so they made it kos a separate identity all together.
The only problem is in the current version of bloodborne every great one has a surrogate except for ebreitas. Whereas in the original concept a ebreitas’ surrogate was Rom
@@Micolashcage1 Interesting theory but i think the both roms are separated entities
Ebrietas was found in the Old Labyrinth whiles Kos was at the fishing hamlet doing her cosmic magic and infecting it's inhabitants and also gave rom eyes.
I think the rom we see being mourned was a child ebrietas tried to save by giving it eyes but died due being a weak celestial child so it mourns the loss of its kin.
But then again i
It vaguely resembles chtulu with a snail body/skin, we can somehow “see” her legs turned into twin tails and something that resembles a human torso, her wings looks more like extended membranae instead of actual wings, her head looks reminisced of Cthulhu head but with Marine sponges or even coral growing out of it with a pair of eyes that may or may not have been human; added to all of that a copious amount of “squid/like” tentacles and appendages
It might be that they just tried to make a more interesting Cthulhu. He's not described in great detail in "Call of Cthulhu," so any depiction of him is a somewhat vague artistic interpretation. If I remember right, it's something like a human with cephalopod features and dragon wings, so I'd say Ebrietas fits the bill there.
"I'm struggling to understand what i'm seeing" is likely the who point of lovecraftian themes in retrospect
thank you for using twilight princess music in nearly every video the nostalgia is saving me
Its only possible to access Ebrietas after killing Rom so it could be Rom's corpse, but I don't know how rom's corpse would get there if she died in the lake. Also there is a Rom boss in the chalice dungeons so I don't know, bloodborne is confusing.
The lake can be a dimension like the nightmare and the real body is with ebretias, like Nicolash
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This is probably the key here. I saw in another comment someone suggest what Rom is is basically a cocoon of a Great One, and they will become akin to Ebreitas. But, if they have to host a nightmare, that cant happen since they're frozen in the dream as their body whithers away outside. So the despair is Ebreitas grieving for Kos, the only other being she could relate to, being forced to upkeep an illusion to safeguard the Moon Presence and the school's plan. Honestly I can see a scenario where if you dont kill Ebreitas, she appears in the true ending to welcome the Hunter to the family, knowing they'll be at least somewhat aware if themselves as they mature.
@Doom Posterior I mean according to what I heard, Ebrietas was Found inside the chalice dungeon. So yeah it could be a memory brought to life like the nightmare world.
@Boa-Noah Ebrietas could literally be the child of the good hunter. There is absolutely no information on where she came from, therefore there is no proving or disproving any theories. All we know is that she worked with the Choir at one point.
God, this is one of my favorite lore points in the entire series. So much great speculation out of this one room
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this def seems like a scene of mourning, given the apparent age of the corpse and how the light beam draws our attention to it.
It's almost like she's morning her sister maybe? They say the gods of bloodborne are, by some counts, sympathetic in nature to humans, so it could be something like that
they were roommates.
@@Ghost-Mom oh my god they were room mates
I don’t know why, but I find Ebrietas so fascinating. She’s definitely my favorite of Bloodborne’s Great Ones. Sequestered away, non-hostile until made hostile, friendly enough to humans, giving us her augur, living in the great cathedral, mourning Rom. Summoning Rom? Reviving Rom?
Her design - repulsive yet beautiful, cosmic yet oceanic, ghostly yet alive, soothing and disturbing...
I try not to kill her in my playthroughs, though sometimes I need that Isz chalice, baby!
To me the the biggest question that comes from this room is why does the corpse bring back Queen Annalise?
Ebrietas is such a brilliant character design.
At once: She's a being that puts anything Lovecraft wrote completely to shame in how utterly unlike any lifeform we're familiar with is structured. She defies comparison even to the marine creatures who typically have inspired such entities; any passing resemblance is nothing more than that -- perhaps you could compare her to certain forms of coral, certain varieties of sea slug or prehistoric crinoid, but those only insinuate at the shape rather than properly describe it. This is a true *alien.*
At the same time: Her presence and demeanor actively defy the viewer's inclination towards loathing and antipathy. Any disgust we might feel at her appearance is the implicit fault of the viewer for judging, not the fault of this individual for the anatomy of her species -- and indeed, given the color palette and sympathetic framing, there's a clear invitation to the viewer to see that there is beauty and elegance here.
Ultimately: Ebrietas is *not* a monster. She is a tragic character who, in some way that is never explicitly told yet is clearly implied, has been *deeply wronged.* You cannot make it better...although you CAN make it worse, and there's little question of who the monster is at that point.
From Software, as great as they are, have a bit of a "busy" design aesthetic. I'm usually not to scared by what I'm seeing, no matter how grotesque, just because I have to study the thing for a few minutes just to get a basic understanding of its silhouette and skeletal structure. For myself, the most memorable enemy in the series is the most simple: a giant dog carrying a sword in its mouth.
I like this bc I think it’s playing into the cosmic horror trope of something being horrifying by nature of it being outside our comprehension. Having to analyze what you’re seeing bc it’s so abnormal and intangible at first could have been From’s way of translating that effect?
Rom was probably Ebrietas's only chance at having another Great One as company in her lonely abandonment. Rom might of been like a little sister to her.
I wonder if when they renamed ebreitas, did they also decided to make Kos a dlc boss? Or did they already have its orphan planned out already?
Kos had to have been killed for the events of the Nightmare to occur: the curse, Maria guarding the secrets, the citizens of the Fishing Hamlet etc.
the cosmos, of COURSE. Let us sit about and speak feverishly into the wee hours of new ideas of the higher plane.
My theory is that Ebrietas was using Rom as a means to reach out to the cosmos. Whenever lumin flowers appear, they seem to have a strong connection to the astral plane. The lumin centipede (florescent flower in the wiki) utilises a single lumin flower to summon a meteor, and Roms back is covered in them, granting her even stronger cosmic abilities.
So the choir finds Roms physical body, which had been hidden away in the tomb of the gods by Wilem. They present her to Ebrietas and form a partnership which grants them access to two powerful strains of blood. The first is her clear blood which produces celestial emissaries in successful hosts, and brainsuckers in failed hosts. The second is the pure blood of Oedon, which she summons through the cosmic portal that constitutes her face.
She is mourning Roms death because you've effectively destroyed her best hope of ever returning home.
It's wierd how, despite how obscure the creature is and call me dumb but, I still wanna touch it due to it's slimiest
She’s probably trying to heal the wound on her face by reversing time, like how you do Queen Annalise.
The fact that you can revive the Vileblood Queen at the altar makes me think that Ebrietas was in the process of reviving Rom.
This one is rather simple I think. Kos is that slug thing the Child of Kos crawls out from in the fish DLC (unless I missed something), and Ebrietas was probably Kos's first direct child. If Rom was ascended to be a Great One, Ebrietas would no doubt see Rom as her sister. So Rom being killed would lead Ebreitas to mourne......until Rom's killer shows up at least.
There is no reason to think Ebrietis is a child of Kos. The only reason I can think of that you would think that is Kos is also known as Kosm which sounds similar to Cosmos but that makes no sense. It would be like saying "guitar" collects rainwater because it sounds like "gutter."
@@jacobhoover1654 The comment didn't imply any of that? The connection is kinda weak, but why would it be tied to the name of Kos?
I think Ebrietas was just lonely, then came proto-Rom, who then died, and now Ebrietas is lonely again 😉
@@yannickdewit7089 the comment literally says "Ebrietas was probably Kid's first direct child," & I'm saying there is no evidence in the game to support that.
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I probably thought of that because Ebrietas's epithet is literally "Daughter of the Cosmos", which Micolash informs us is an alias for Kos in his ramblings. It isnt a huge stretch dude
@@jacobhoover1654 oh I agree with you, there's no real evidence, but you proposed what you think could be the evidence and then attack that, while the comment didn't state any
Ahhh, your channel is so calming and relaxing, thank you. I'm glad youtube recommended it to me.
Always called it the mac & cheese boss.
Cheese because it's attacks are pretty cheesy and it had a great multiplayer bug that let you skip it and mac because... well... look at it.
Everything in this game is either sinister, disturbing, or distressing. But somehow, at the center of all of it, Ebrietas is just really cute. I want a plushie of her at this point.
I've finished this game multiple times, and around the 5th time i noticed there was a trophy i was missing for this boss, i was excited that I'd missed a boss, so i started a new game to fight her, then my ps4 broke down lol, i guess it's just not meant to be.
Somebody get this friend a ps4, stat!
@@aetherspiralknight lol, thanks for the thought, but I'm getting a ps5 soon, hopefully bloodborne will get a 60fps patch by then, but that remains a distant dream.
Much too disturbed by all of Bloodbourne's monsters to ever want to play it, so everything I learn out of context from this channel is just so completely surreal, every time
I always feel bad attacking Rom and Ebrietas. Girls are just chilling ):
I will always remember this boss for one solid reason. Damien.
Me and a friend were just having fun with exploring everything until we came to this boss. We just hated how long it took and such, so we summoned Damien (the NPC Hunter). We expected a hard fight but Damien took the bosses attention and the boss took him all the way to the corner! Damien was taking ALL the aggro while me and my bro killed this boss. Damien lived until the very end...his sacrifice will NEVER be forgotten by us.
Jeez the timeline of those changes makes it hard to dechiper what any of it is supposed to mean. My best guess is that Ebertias might be mourning the loss of a kindred spirit, as I'm sure the healing church must be responsible for what happened to Rom-lookalike here, much like I'm sure they exploited Ebertias herself.
Ebrietas' design makes sense to me. She appears, for the most part, to be a bunch of sea creatures crushed together into one thing. Admittedly, I don't know what's up with the wings. The "macaroni" on her face is probably tube worms. Which is another reference to water, especially deep water, in Bloodborne, which is also important in Lovecraft's stories, like The Shadow Over Innsmouth. A story that almost certainly helped inspire the fishing hamlet, where we find Kos.
or some say kosm
I love how you use Twilight Princess music a lot. Its one of my favorite Zelda games and its just nostalgic to hear.
they are dating
Never played Bloodborne (or any souls game actually) but Zullie's videos are all super interesting.
Rom and abandoned Ebrietas, the only two bosses I feel bad for killing aside from Gehrman (even though it's a mercy killing).
I really love all these videos you're putting out
Bloodborne got jumbled around a lot, much like Dark Souls 3. I would kill to see all the different builds of this game.
Its amazing how well zeldas OSTs go with soulsborne games.. very nice
If you think about how the Great Ones are attempting to genuinely uplift humanity, Rom is a successful subject that humans then butchered.
I've played Bloodborne a handful of times and have watched way over half this channels videos, very cool videos idk why Im so Intrigued
Man, what a neat design. She's so wiggly.
I wanna see close ups and inspections of the Bloodletting Beast, Bloodstarved Beast, Darkbeast, and Abhorrent Beast. All too ferocious to get a look at for the most part.
Another character who completely changed in development was the doll. Prior to the DLC’s retcons, the doll was going to be based on a woman from Cainhurst, most likely the Vileblood queen (not Annalise, but an earlier concept of the Vileblood queen) who was kidnapped by the Healing Church and used in a ritual to summon the Moon Presence. This was the original purpose behind the Cainhurst raid and the executioners in this early version of the story as well. The doll was supposed to have been created by Gehrman’s apprentice (not Gerhman, and not based on the apprentice) but based on the Vileblood queen. Maria was something they came up with for the DLC, and they retroactively wrote the story about her, Gerhman, and the doll when they created the DLC.
I always thought of Ebrietas as a sort of funerary singer in this moment. The idea of "The Choir" always led me to believe Ebrietas sings for the great ones and here I thought of her as being found after singing a send-off to Rom and mourning her destruction
i feel like the design of ebrietas really captures the feel of Lovecraft's eldritch horrors, it's a pretty impressive accomplishment since his descriptions are deliberately vague and confused
"Despite of what you might have believe, lecture hall isn't connected to the altar of despair"- Rusty
Rom if I remember is supposed to be childlike and possibly an actual child transformed.
The legs of the “rom” on the altar are fully developed while the legs on Rom the Vacuous are not.
I think the altar “rom” is a former servant or church member that was transformed and died for some unknown reason - someone that Ebreitas cared for
My mind has always been Ebrietas knew Rom and worked with her before her uplifting, and when Rom was uplifted to being Great One kin her mind, like that of many great ones, ended up on a different plane (see the space within the lake). To this end her mind changed more than her body, and eventually her body and mind separated as in the physical realm she was unable to function. This would lead to Ebrietas possibly tending to the body of Rom and upon our defeat of Rom, her body is lifeless. Like how we see many who have gone to the nightmare in a non-physical way.
So to this end the Alter of Despair is more about the morning of failure to uplift Rom properly and a monument to a success turned failure. This is why we see it in the area with the Emissaries, in the past, the living failures, and the space in general is about finding different ways to achieve uplifting of humanity.
It's from the same family of species as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
We are not meant to understand it, this is the beauty of cosmic horror. We'll never have enough insight.
"I'm struggling to understand what I'm seeing"
Well yes that is the point it's eldritch horror sometimes your just not surposed to understand
I’m getting the vibe from the comments that everyone who fought her wasn’t scared or particularly challenged by the fight. I think that’s a good thing for us to see a gentler creature with its grotesque design it’s amazing we can even come to that idea
In my head canon ebriatas and rom were both pthumaerians trying to ascend to a great one. Ebriatas being an example of a “failed ascension” and rom completing the process in a way but having enough insight before losing it to create her own little pocket that acts as a veil hiding what can’t be seen with the naked eye. Ebriatas is mourning a lost friend. It’s been a long time but she doesn’t have the same concept of time as everyone else does because well the process of ascension has a effected her in many ways so it could be like rom died a couple hours ago by her perception when it “reality” many stages have passed. Not confirmed tho just my head canon that explains it
Considering we fight Roms astral self relatively, I think its entirely likely that this altar is the "corporeal" form of the ascended Rom of whom we fight in the moonside lake.
The 'Rom' body gives me crazy Daughter of Chaos vibes, subtly establishing a connection maybe.
I'm so glad you brought them up. I fought Ebrietas for the first time recently and exclaimed "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT" at my screen in hasty whispers at 4AM, unable to truly grasp what the the fresh hell I was looking at. It's such a beautiful and completely distinct design. FROM just continues to show us what it means to innovate in a tried genre of media.
We find Rom and Ebrietas in the Chalice Dungeons, so maybe they're not really dead when we 'kill' them in their non-Chalice boss fights? Maybe Ebrietas isn't mourning, Considering all the old hunters we can summon, the flow of time is probably pretty convoluted in Yharnam too. Maybe it's more like this:
Ebrietas: (in Great One language) 🙄 Great, now I have to wait for Rom to respawn.
(After Ebrietas fight)
Rom: You too, huh?
Ebrietas: 😠
I might as well sub at this point I literally watch every single upload.