Fine Gael and the Blueshirts | 1933 - 1934 | The Emergency - E03
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Following the Civil War and in the absence of a meaningful opposition, Cumann na nGaedheal dominated Irish politics. In this time they also allowed the party to stagnate and had become overconfident that their record in government would secure reelection in 1932; instead de Valera’s Fianna Fáil took office and they increased their grip on power in 1933. Driven by fear and a desire to return to government, Cumann na nGaedheal merged with the smaller National Centre Party in 1933 to form Fine Gael. But for leadership of this new party they turned to the National Guard, a shirted movement led by the popular and charismatic Eoin O’Duffy.
References:
Brian Girvin - “The Emergency”
Fearghal McGarry - “Eoin O’Duffy”
David McCullagh - “Éamon de Valera: Rule”
Maurice Manning - “The Blueshirts”
Mike Cronin - “The Blueshirts and Irish Politics”
Paul McMahon - “British Spies & Irish Rebels”
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Such a pity Michael Collins was assassinated. He and O’Duffy fought in the was of Independent while cute Dev stayed safe in the USA. Dev alway changed his views when it suited him and History has shown him in his true devious colours. Great video.
O’ Duffy was a fascist like Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. You seem to suggest that Collins would have be comfortable in the company of these fascist then we are very lucky that he was shot dead. The only pity is that he was not killed earlier. Collins was a traitor and bombed the Republicans in the Four Courts when ordered to do so by Lloyd George. While Dev stood up to Churchill during WW2 , Collins caved in to Lloyd George and signed the treaty when ordered by Lloyd George. So your hero Collins was far from the hero that he is made out to be.
Thank You ,,,I Love the Truth.... Simple but True... I got pulled off Facebook for saying the same thing... Maybe not as Elegant as You,,but same point... Stay Safe
Exceptional work. This is history of which more people should be aware.
Excellent reporting James. I love these capsules of Modern Irish History.
Good heavens, what a fascinating and complicated insight into pre-war Irish politics.
Well you know how it goes luv
"Iffin yer not confused, ye don't know what's goin on."
I’d need to watch that over again to fully understand it lol
Pre war? Should be thought in schools
@@paulbyrne2613 is it not taught in Irish schools?
@@bellascott6478 This was taught in school in the 90s for sure. That said, this video went into more detail than I remember learning in school.
Great overview of the turmoil which enveloped the Irish public at the hands of those who desired power and control. You have opened my eyes to a part of our history that has not been widely publicised. Great video and I look forward to seeing more. Thank you.
Obair mhaith arís. Concise and informative.
Go raibh maith agat! I'm glad you found it concise, I was afraid it was drifting off in parts.
Another excellent episode. I look forward to many more.
Thanks very much for checking it out
the Blueshirts would be quite upset at who leads Fianna Gael these days....
Who cares what they think. They we’re Facists
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They'd be shocked...lol
I wonder what dev would think of what's leading fianna faul these days or destroying it more like.
@@f.b508 Were..?
Fascinating, the rich history that Ireland has during the early years as an independent nation. Political landscape never simple.
Both fianna fail and fine gale have become mirror images of each other and both parties are as corrupt as corrupt can possibly be.
Both parties are an embarrassment to the irish people. Yet the irish people keep voting for them. A classic case of the blind leading the blind. Sometimes a nation gets what it deserves
It's such an interesting period in Irish history, Kevin O'Higgins interests me as a great 'what if ?' in this period, would things have been different if he had lived to become leader of Cumann na nGaedheal ? My mothers family were anti-treaty during the civil war, and my father's family were pro-treaty I feel mainly because Kevin O'Higgins was a friend my of great-grandfather's at the time, and I think the treaty split did come down, for some, to the personal loyalties of the women and men of the Civil War, and post Civil War period. Great history thank you, very thought provoking, particularly when thinking about some aspects of current Irish politics.
Very interesting. I had no idea of the power wielded by the blue shirts.
Unfortunately they still wield it today
It was overstated imho
@Digger Gardi He signed the condolence as a matter of neutrality. He would've done the same for Stalin, De Gualle or Churchill.
@Digger Gardi you do know that Churchill wanted to murder all Irish men, who wanted to be free in their own country
A right shower a fucks, still are
Here is a comment from the Daily Mail in the 1920's which would support your view of the blueshirts as more aligned with the early Fascisti idea of a Catholic militia than the later form of state fascism. By the time of the Irish blueshirts, it was evolving into the latter, but the Italian version in significant part had its roots in a militant Catholic reaction against communism. "Italy has turned the tide against Bolshevism, and it may yet be said that she has saved Europe. The victory of the Fascisti, which swept into power that strange dominant personality, Benito Mussolini-knight of the 15th century in white spats and a morning coat-is still but imperfectly understood and appreciated by the outside world. Comparatively few people realise that, apart from the Great War, the revolt of Italy's young manhood against the tyranny of Red Socialism will be set down by historians as the most important movement of our time […] It has fought a holy war […] Christianity, patriotism, loyalty to the state, liberty of the individual, recognition of the rights and duties of all classes of society, co-operation of all classes for the good of the country, obedience to established authority, social morality-all these tenets of national life which Bolshevism would consign to the dust-heap have again been embraced by the people of Italy, high and low alike, in a spirit of enthusiasm which is nothing less than sublime."
Still has the belief in a Racial Hierarchy in it, so yeah Fascists
No, they were fascists. Don't fool yourself.
People also pretend America's fascist movement between the wars was just good fun and wasn't part of that whole eugenics/genocide thing. We know better.
Don't gaslight people.
@@chinggiskhan6678 lol WHAT?! do you know anything about fascism my friend? fascism has literally nothing to do with race, you should actually learn what fascism is instead of taking what other people say about it at face value. Mussolini even went so far as to state race has no place in a fascist society. please dont make baseless comments about things you haven't taken the time to educate yourself on.
@@seanfaherty genocide has no part in fascism.
@chinggiskhan6678 that would be National Socialism not Fascism. Wokeism is a perverted form of National Socialism but it's racial hierarchy is inverted.
Great video, keep them up, thanks man
Thanks very much for checking it out!
The funniest part is that you can’t even tell they are blueshirts from the images provided because they are in black and white. 📽 Its very different with the Mosley blackshirts. Great video btw, this is the first of yours I have watched and I’m already loving this channel to bits! I’ll be sure to watch another after this, keep up the good work pal!!! 😍🇮🇪
This is excellent. Thank you for the research and presentation. Subscribed.
My interest in Irish history over the last few years - because of its relevance to post Brexit Ireland - has been from Partition to the end of the Civil War. Now I see a whole other period - the 1930s, , that I know very little about but is probably equally important to study in todays context of the rise of Fascism in Europe and the US. I don't know how I missed all of this as I subscribe to so many Irish history sites. Great video, well done. Will require some more study!
Excellent documentary !! It begs the question ... If Michael Collins had lived would he have taken the Blue Shirts even further ? After all, a large proportion of his supporters / comrades were very prominent in the Blur Shirt movement 1933 onwards. ie Richard Mulcahy, Eoin O'Duffy, Kevin O'Higgins et al.
Great video--A story from my Irish relatives -During WW2 a car drove up to the house and two local Blueshirts came out and gave my relative,not a Blueshirt official member, a Blue Shirt uniform (apparently tailored since he was 6'6" ) and told him if the Germans invaded to show up at the law courts as usual with his private purchase revolver and the uniform, so the locals would still remain in control of a functioning court system for local matters.Wish I had the uniform -- they are collectors items now.
@@goebbledup1835 Thank you-- If you ever get a chance to buy the uniform--I would say snap it up -there is a a big market for smaller political party uniforms..One day I will tell you about the Finnish spy
@@goebbledup1835 O Duffy was a Facist
@@goebbledup1835 What, so you're a facist in training? Delete your previous comment and have a word with yourself so.
@@goebbledup1835 learning not to say 'Hail O'Duffy' shouldn't be hard dude. Wtf?
@@goebbledup1835 You are called Goebelledup. I'm afraid you're just as I said. O'Duffy was a facist. He doesn't deserve respect. Mussolini was an 'interesting' character. He still spawned a disgusting ideology.
You're a trash human being if you can't see why what you said is wrong. But given your name, I doubt you care.
Be a better person. 'Hail O'Duffy' just furthers the image of you as a facist.
I knew this wasn't going to be an easy episode to make and it most certainly wasn't! The lack of accounts of the Army Comrades Association and the image of the Blueshirts in popular knowledge of the time were just some of the difficulties in putting this together. Whether you think they deserve it or not I hope that I have been able to handle the topic in a fair and unbiased manner. A lot of things had to be left out (like the fact W.B. Yeats wrote marching songs for the Blueshirts), what do you think should have been included that wasn't?
Oduffy was a game changer. Stuck to his guns.
I wouldn't worry la.
You did an amazing job producing and researching this! Thank you, look forward to more of your videos!
Well, a hearty thanks from a subject of the not so United Kingdom. A fascinating piece of work that I stumbled upon due to RUclips's algorithm. I've now subscribed and will definitely be watching (and learning much more from) your other episodes.
A 20 minute video couldn't have been better. Great work. Thank you.
I love learning Irish history. I feel like there's a gap in Irish history from the end of the Civil War to the beginning of the Troubles. Thanks for covering that, honestly I've never heard of any of this before. I feel a little bit smarter today
A hammer was too good 4 him
O Duffy was fascists
Great channel, nice to see someone shining a light on how Facism was foundation of this party.
But never racism
It wasn't the foundation of fine gael,look at the video again. It was a presence due to o Duffy but not the foundation,its here documented and well detailed.
Fine Gael have never apologised for their complicencey in the deaths of nearly sixty million human beings in WW2 as a direct result of the fascist attempt to take over the world simple as that no iffs no butts they supported and condoned the blue shirts who were part of the fascist international movement of the therties anyone who can view their iconic immagery and vocal retoric must be both deaf and blind they were fascist to the core and a few of their party still are
@@johnmilligan6605 how are they responsible for all the deaths in ww2 because they were right wing by your logic sinn fein being left wing makes them responsible for in excess of 100 million deaths due to communism
@@johnmilligan6605 daft argument.
Excellent video in what seems like an excellent series.
Thank you for making and sharing the above. Wow.
"Time flows like a river, and history is bound to repeat "
If time flows like a river , how does it suddenly reverse direction to accommodate history's inclination to repeat itself? Or do rivers reverse themselves in whichever Ireland the author of that quote lived? Or are the two clauses in the sentence unconnected? I know research demonstrates conclusively that the Irish are the happiest of our species, but doesn't logic require more than a cheery disposish?
@@trevorbailey1486 a river almost always flows on the same course.. Just like history
Now you should go study some history.
Hopefully Ireland wakes up and make our ancestors’ sacrifices worthwhile
Some people on here criticising the actions of the Blueshirts way back in the 1930s, but quite happy to wave the flag and apologise for the terrorism of the Provisional IRA in the 1970s-1990s. Some myopic double standards at play.
And zero criticism of De Valera and Fianna Fáil whose economic war with Britain was a complete disaster for Ireland and who welded the State to the Roman Catholic Church. An unhappy marriage that we only began to extricate ourselves from in the 1990s.
The RC church, in my fathers words he was “tortured by the priests” we all know what that means now!
Yet we have hopped into bed with just as undesirable elements now, one's which will take us over the social cliff face.
@@paddypenman2682 Are those vague “undesirable elements” that you mention, buggering children and then covering it up, forcing unmarried mothers to give up their babies, and pressurising gay people to take conversion therapy? Nope. Didn’t think so.
@@gavindoyle692 Is that opposed to cutting their babies to bits by a Pakistani "doctor ".
@@cuhulainsblood Pakistani doctor?! Why bring race into this? I can see why you hide behind an anonymous pseudonym.
Excellent video. Very informative 🇮🇪
Thank you
Amazing video thank you.
Great service to society you're doing making all this history easily digestible for anti intellectuals like me😂👍
Eoin O'Duffy was a hero change my mind he heard the voice of Éire telling him to protect Ireland and answer the call
Is right. He knew the craic. Go ed.
Do Dhia agus d'Éirinn, O'Duffy Abu! 📿☘
He literally had a boner for hitler and Mussolini..
@@donallbreathnach9998 Is there a problem with that?
@@DARRAGH396 nice try kid
Thank you from a British viewer with Irish ancestry on my Fathers side. Hadn’t known the details of the blue shirts from my Pa apart from him saying they were facist sympathisers.
Your Pa was right on that front...
That's all I ever heard about them and wheather its true or not that they wanted to overthrow the government
@@Minime163 They couldn't overthrow an omelette : )
Doesn't the coloured shirt start with Garibaldi not Mussolini? Getting rid of foreign control and national unification linking the two movements.
@Digger Gardi that was both funny and educational. Just as hagis is a misunderstanding of a sausage these seem to be the result of someone heating about a date square/ matrimonial cake.
Was it not the colour of his old WW1 Regiment ? Mussolini ?
Keep up the good work on your channel 👏🏽 Maith thú
My grandad fought against O Duffy.. with the 15th international brigade. no Pasaran ✊
Your Grandad was Cringe
Yeah well done for the communists, every bit as bad as the fascists.
O Duffy's men did very little fighting after a couple of scuffles and an artillery strike which by some miracle killed none they decamped to a village where they drank wine for the rest of the war.Now that's the General for me.Frank Ryan's men saw action by contrast.
@@borisjohnson4095 two of them were cringe. Both authoritarian ideologies only too happy to commit mass murder, only difference is one sides crimes are overlooked.
It's important that we honnor his and his comrades memory aespecially at this time when the fascists are on the march again spouting the same old lies about free speech and the Soviets being the same as Hitler's mob the fact that the overwhelming majority of decient people can easily see through this nonsense does not mean we can be complacent they are as evil today as they were back then and by their very nature cannot be spoken to or dealt with as normal human beings we must teach our children to hate and curs all that fascism stands for just as our grand
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Thanks i need to learn more about this.
I suppose if the complexities, realities and narratives contained in this video are sufficiently ignored then one can apply labels to present parties and say “I told you so”. Properly understood, however, this is a fascinating edge of a very interesting and formative period of Irish history. Thanks.
"Beware of Manxmen" 🇮🇲 🙃😳 Thank you for this interesting episode.
Strange seing the amount of fine gael supporters and Blueshirts in the comments
Why is it strange? Because they are patriotic or not of Welsh descendants (Uasal Breathnach)
Only 'strange' if you cannot concede the possibility of people disagreeing with you being intelligent and honest.
Why is it strange?
Bravo. Quality presentation.
yet fine gael today dnt talk about o Duffy as a founding member wonder why
Because SF are the unclean and that’s that…
One thing this episode proves, is that the free state politicians from then til now are embarrassingly useless and inept at running a country
Yeah your bang on, I think this crowd are more courupt I'd say
I think politicians are in the business of creating problems and then coming up with solutions
Lolalty to the Brits,EU still there and NOT Ireland
It's obvious the Republic that was fought for was never delivered. What was basically delivered was a conservative right wing state run by two conservative right wing party's Fine Gael and Fianna Fail dictated to by a right wing religion with a media that's but a extension of the British media. A so called Republic for the few not for the majority.
@cushyglen4264the globalists aren’t particularily brits - they have take over everywhere - we have a job on our hands
Eoin O'Duffy Abu from Liverpool. He knew the score. Ahead of his time. Go ed .
He was a facist. No pasaran.
@@jpgduff no parmesan.
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They haven't changed only FF have have joined them
The whole uniparty a bunch of degenerates
Didn't de Valera sign the German embassy condolence book when Hitler died.
I thought Ireland was meant to be neutral.... did he sign one for mussolini?
@@ACNC1 Mussolini wasn’t head of state or government when he died.
@@ACNC1 Ireland let German Uboats land there. As always Ireland was divided.
@@andym9571 bs, the only time a U boat docked in Irish waters was to surrender..
indeed he did. incredibly based
No wonder the North has been reluctant to join the Republic.
One of my grandparents was O’Duffy lol, crazy to see him in all these videos. I know it seems he is fascist, and he kind of is. Really, he just liked the look of them (says my father) so yeah. In other words, the least fascist fascist.
Very interesting!
Long live Irish Blueshirts
Very interesting video thank you
Shouldn't you have mentioned the Constitution of 1938, which was a very important event which needed the approval of a referendum? It did lead to the declaration of the Free State Republic. 😉😄😉
Picture of my great grandfather on here
Duffy ended up in Spain however thy raised quite amount of money for the Spanish Nationalists
Excellent........go raibh maith agat
Gaelgoir ❤️🍀
Back when a Blueshirt was a Christian. Before " woke" took over.
i read an account recently of events around this time in the village of innishannon near bandon in west cork which was both a stronghold of the blueshirts and the IRA there was a lot of assaults' criminal damage and ultimately a murder in the area. related to political conflict
Fantastic work
My grandad was in Tralee in 1933 was part of the FF/ Sinn Fein support when Duffy got 8 stiches from a lead pipe it was the last time that the Garda station in Tralee came under fire that had to bring soldiers from Limerick to restore order
Tralee was always a strong republican town,
I wouldn't be too proud of that .it merely illustrates the thuggery which the Blueshirts were formed to oppose was very real and their views of the Republicans as a threat to free speech were fully indorsed by violence against opponents.
Still is today
NP anish agus On’E Abu!
Am I right that O 'Duffy at some point ended up in Spain on he side of Franco? Am I also right that he and his volunteers were asked politely to leave Spain as they were enjoying themselves a little too much. My mother use to have a bit of a chuckle as one of her wider family was a blue shirt, she thought that he had a bit of a problem s he liked 'dressing up'. He ended up in England after the second World War and made a fortune,. He however kept his past to himself - wonder why?
The song viva la Qita brigada brought me here I wanted to find out more about frank ryly and the 15 international brigade very interesting stuff
What would you like to know about the international brigade I know a lot about them
I can tell u a lot about the international brigade my grandad fought in Spain with Frank Ryan
@@f.b508 to begin with did he take part in the battle for Madrid and was bob hillard really a pastor and can you suggest any good documentaries or programmes and did frank survive the war?
@@tech9auto223 even the olives are bleeding is a good doc to start with, fairly balanced with interviews from both sides
@@9colm6 thanks mate going to check it out right now I started being interested in usual Irish hero's who'd fought in 1916 etc then somehow I found the song and since then frank rillie bob hillard have become heroes of mine for a pastor to take up arms he must have truly believed in his cause
Conflict, Conflict, Conflict.
I Wonder what went Wrong with Ireland.
Always loyal to Germany 🇩🇪 & now EU lackeys
PTSD 🍀❤️
Just found you!
Very good
Thanks!
I know little of Irish history apart from the Irish literature so it's good to become a little aquainted with my vast ignorance. i know Greek History mind.
I wish FG were still Blueshirts. We might a few fewer illegal immigrants.
I wish they were called the green shirts instead
A question to ask is O'Brien not Scottish and it also Burns are they not Scottish then they have these generals in America called O'Brien are they not related to the fascist similar to Duffy are they not related to fascist in Yorkshire
Físeán maith!
what are Manx men ?
People from the Isle of Man.
Hopefully we'll finally see the end of west brit fg after the next general election.
Can't stand the FG partitionist enablers but compared to FF they are national heroes.
Hopefully the sickness of sectarianism will die out in modern Ireland.
@@CollieJenn if ff don't get rid of Martin they're history I'm not pushed about any party I think they're all a self serving shower of freeloaders but Martin isn't even an excuse of a leader
@@Minime163 The worst Taoseach. Ever.
@@stephenkane1074 _Hopefully the sickness of sectarianism will die out in modern Ireland._
Asked why, if he so disliked the way most people in society interact and thought it was self-defeating, he still went out in public, HL Mencken answered with his own question, _Why do people go to zoos?_
As it was in Tudor times, as it was in Elizabethan times, as it was in Georgian times, as it was in Victorian times, Ireland is the Western world's political zoo. *It can never be otherwise.*
This is why Fine Gael want history removed as a subject from schools.
“Me Daddy was a Blue Shirt
and my mother a Madame
my brother earned his medals
at My Lai in Vietnam.
S Macgowan.
Why we didnt join with Germany in the 30s ill never know
very good presentation with pictures of Blueshirts I think few of us had seen before-much more than in Mannings book.One slight error at 21.06.The Brittish Customs post was smeared with a flyer from Archetects of The Resurrection,a truly fascist party founded to promote the Irish language,traditions and heritage who garnished some support and had very fascist leanings.Good book written about them too.
Apropos O’Duffy’s volonteer contingent force to support Franco’s rebellion against the legitimate government in Spain, and your reference to his force suffering losses from friendly fire, the version I have seen is that fairly soon after their arrival and soon dispatched to one part of the front they met, confronted and opened fire upon a detachment of Carlist Requetes ie supporters of a contestant monarchist group supporters of Franco failing to recognise their distinctive uniforms as allies of Franco’s Nationalists whereupon Franco told them they weren’t needed and to return whence they came.
Given that you refer to their being victims of friendly fire which I have no doubt is correct, I am a little surprised you have not come across the references to their relatively short stay in Spain and that the reasons for this were because of their causing a dozen or so deaths among Franco’s Nationalist and Carlist military supporters. Otherwise, this is an excellent document, well delivered. Good continuation!
O'Duffy's men showed an unacceptable lack of enthusiasm when asked to murder some young female prisoners and were deemed useless and sent packing.
The legitimate government of Spain couldn't prevent the wholesale implosion and anarchy which occurred while they had tenure.
@@donutemptycircle8717 in the meantime it didn't prevent the murder by communists of 13 bishops, 4,172 diocesan priests and seminarians, 2,364 monks and friars and 283 nuns.
Communists aren't human
@@Kitiwake catholics I presume? Go maith. Go hálainn a deirtear. Probably raped and abused thousands of Spanish children between them.
Stereotypes of violence.
Lovely people
Now it's the eu.
The Irish still need freedom. Complete freedom from it's neighbour.
How is your Neighbour affecting your freedom? Ireland is in the EU so how is England enslaving Ireland? I would like to see free passage between Ireland and the UK stopped as Ireland is a Foreign Country.
@@williamgillbanks5373 yes close the border along the irish sea where it belongs and leave us to our own island
Oh grow up you whinging victim. Does that include the two million Irish who happily choose to live- work in Britain? Or do you mean freedom from being allowed to claim their benefits and even vote not to mention come and go as you please without anything. The victim narrative is getting boring not to mention pathetic.
You can have all your Travellers and Gypsies back .
@@Porkcylinder you're a bit stupid if you think there are two million irish people in the uk there's only like 300000 just as many english nationals in ireland as irish nationals in uk. Perhaps you should realise England isn't exactly some economic powerhouse your economy is dwarfed by Germany
Roman teaching of Sicilian Mafia a black guy called Mohammed 1500 years ago who wanted to learn hieroglyphs and Chinese Mandarin language based on visual like the Egyptians they didn't have any mercy for Jesus better known as Yuhan Yusuf Asus Alliance Saa laam Din . Ancient linguist of body language
Shelter 👍✔️
Jealous of fine Gael ❤️🍀🥊 can survive on the knomes👍
Always remember the fascist origins of FG
Oh I do 💪🏻🙋🏻♂️
I will same as I remember that sinn fein and fianna fail rejected the will of the people of ireland who voted for the treaty overwhelmingly and started the civil war because their bloody traitors
I do... pity that they went woke eh?
West Brits like the other buddies of Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein with other lackeys
As for the main question - is person or movement x 'fascist' - the best answer is to look to see if fascism can be defined. IMO, it can't and even family resemblance theory doesn't go far enough. Fascism had the power to say it existed and had identifiable features. Whether or not that's true, remains debated.
Of course it can be defined it's a political ideology set out by it's creators ( Italian socialists ) in great detail.
@@snowflakemelter1172 And I agree a lot with that - but fascism's self-definition can't survive the battering it takes from the 'problem of other minds'.
Also, the narrative prevents us from discussing it honestly - with leftists insisting on the existence of the fabled political spectrum - with them sitting at the opposite end of an ultimate evil. You'll not get them to treat this matter seriously while they can profit from this fiction.
Ask yourself who inspired the wider aspects of what is lumped together with fascism - racist inspired genocide. All historians know the 1st use of the idea of racist genocide was on the left, particularly the French left on the middle 19th century. The general public and leftists don't know this and resist the truth when you tell them. Few historians know that it was an Irish socialist, that moral cretin GB Shaw, who 1st thought up the utilitarian and consequentialist logic of the Holocaust. Same response here. Indeed getting scholarship done on such topics is, let alone chatter, is almost impossible.
.A future generation may have reasonable conversations on this subject - it won't happen in my lifetime. .
@@snowflakemelter1172 Btw if you haven't read it already, I highly recommend Berlin's essay on De Miastre. Fascism needs both reaction and liberal modernism, - is one clear conclusion you can draw from it.
@@damianbylightning6823 are you pro fascism ?
@@snowflakemelter1172 Sorry it's long!
It's difficult to reject fascism, when you doubt its existence - I'll give it a go though.
I take Wittgenstein very seriously when dealing with the problem of other minds. I view 'fascism' as primarily a problem of language. This seemingly amoral description is a philosophically technical term that's prone to misunderstanding.
My instinct tells me fascism is a mixture of approaches, much like most ideologies - just worse. This is why I like Berlin's explanation - who sees in fascism conservative reaction, 'conservative revolution', modernism, liberalism and an acceptance and rejection of the Enlightenment. It needs Voltaire as much as it needs De Maistre an Evola or a Giovanni Gentile.
All in all, fascism seems to me to be closest to the socialism which I despise - and has strong anti-conservative bits that I distrust. Like socialism, it wants the state to have magic-like abilities to do away with allegedly unnecessary conflict. For them this seems to be one of the state's primary roles, if not its primary role. This is utterly delusional IMO and imagines a level of governmental and organisational competence not known to modern govt.
OTOH the classical liberal does not or should not take the socialist and fascist view seriously. The CL sees the state as having little or no competence and hardly any fitness to judge what is appropriate or inappropriate, or unnecessary. As I see it, someone like Acton and his thinking is the ideal type of anti-fascist. I am with the Acton view and I distrust the socialist-fascist view. In Actonian fashion, I believe conflicts are good, in the long run, and we should distrust magic solutions to identification and forced resolution of 'unnecessary conflict'. Sadly, the fascist view just keeps winning and I am always reminded of Schumpeter's gloomy predictions.
Of course, the Nazi doesn't fit into this model at all. IMO the Nazi just seems to make things up as he ambles along - until he is told to believe something or or do something. I make no claim to be able to understand this mumbo-jumbo. It seems arbitrary and a real mish mash beyond mish and mash and hotch and potch. I have read Heidegger and can't say I got much out of it that I couldn't get easier and better from Aristotle. I have also read Evola - and thought it to be a mixture of jokes and metaphors with some sincere observations that are quite mainstream. JE was a joker or a lunatic and made some sensible observations to jolt the reader as he wandered off in search of a new lunacy - but he did have an independent mind. Not sure if he was a fascist actually. He was also a poor version of a Nazi.
So, I'm an anti-fascist, not that I ever use that cancerous term. What about you?
I found it strange that the Blue Shirts supported Franco in Spain. Franco had a very poor attitude to minority groups who spoke minority languages and persecuted people like the Galicians who had a Celtic heritage.
Franco was a rat who used Hitler, like Tito using that mass murderer stalin
Galicians have not Celtic heritage.
O'Duffy abú
I hear he was a real sucker for any man in a uniform? : ) "Suck," he says, "blows only an expression."
Gabh suas air mar sin…
@@FPSIreland2 Who put the big “O” in O’Duffy ; )
a great man
As he rots in hell.
You couldn’t make it up
8:52 Irish nationalist crowd doing Roman salute 🫢🫢🫢
It’s also funny to see the pictures of the English national team in Germany before the war giving Hitler” the Roman salute”
A very interesting video on pre politics in Ireland. As a Brit its easy to know the usual British and European pre war basics but its great to get an insight to what was going on in Ireland. I can highly recommend a video on pre war US politics about Huey Long a Democratic politician who was loved and hated in equal measure and was feared would become a dictator: ruclips.net/video/flzAe7qEYlc/видео.html
Its easy to think we live with stable institutions when they could in fact be built on sand.
I feel that they had heavy Fascist elements. O'Duffy, at least, was a fascist maybe not the group entirely.
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"spaniards, jews and manxmen". Presumably "spaniards " refers to de valera. Were there any jews or manxmen in th fianna fail government?
Ben Briscoe TD, and a fine politician too
at least fine Gael could have a feed👍
I am not sure where the Irish Army ended and the IRA began; I read that the formation of the Irish Republican Army was as a result of oppression by British interference with Ireland.
31 January 1922: the founding of the Free State Army. You have it backwards, since it is widely held that the IRA was begun in Easter Week 1916 but not called IRA until *1917.* That other IRA that fought the Free State Army were the anti-Treaty Irregulars.
No use commenting on this to many freestaters on here waste of time
At last a sensible "Republican "
Who ever ironed their tattered blue shirts ought to have been fired on the spot.