Makes me wonder if the FAA will accept it because they limit it by total amount of work, not tasks. The builder has to do 51% of the actual work, and tasks mean nothing.
With the hanger shortage across the country, this will really catch on. Evidence of that is both Kitfox and Just aircraft folding wing planes have 18 to 2 year lead times.
MOSAIC will allow 4 seat airplanes. If there is a demand, that changes the game, and we can even do a factory built 4 seat bush plane at much more affordable prices than Part 23 allows.
@@silverlightaviation Of course I'm on one person, but I have to believe there is a demand! Pilots always want 4 seats... Just in case. We settle for 2 because 4 has traditionally been too expensive. Would love to see that change by the time I'm ready to buy a kit! Thanks for all you guys do! PS. When Vans first introduced the RV-15, the Internet was flooded with 2 seat vs 4 seat chatter! Lots of people in Zenith forums also asking for a Super Duty Cruzer (3 seater jump seat). 👍
I know exactly why you are asking. For docking. The answer is yes you can fold the wings on proper floats without dunking the tail in the water. I worked on American Legend amphibian super Cub floats. Floats of similar capability can be used and they won't allow the plane to drink water at the tail. Docking was a big issue for Searey because the folding wing was a very late afterthought. Otherwise a very capable light seaplane. Generally, a float system is or should be designed so that if one float has taken 2/3 water, it still should not flip-over. There is a decent safety margin.
Avid not Kitfox. KitFox was a copy of Avid all the way to Model 4. A back handed copy based on a non-compete not holding up in court on a technicality. The real genius behind the configuration was Dean Wilson though it was obvious to me that Avids were not engineered just made well with experience.
@@whitetrashgarage8110 If you are a small person and a craftsman who cares about details and have a lot of time on hand, Sonerai can be a very nice airplane. Best of luck. Anything that gets us up is good. Enjoy and work hard
NIce plane.! I want one, but... There are plenty of flyable and LSA compliant vintage aircraft for less than $50k.. Serviceable 4-place sircraft are available for under $50k too. Tough sell.
True. A good J3 Cub would be around $50k but it is from the 1940's. No way to compare those prices for a 1940's airplane to today. Experimental AB as a whole is likely the lowest cost of ownership overall for aircraft owners. Some commonsense is needed not to make drastic changes and keep the design safe of course but with today's avionics that would cost an arm and a leg to put in a CAR 4 certified airplane of decades ago, you have much better situational awareness and thus safety. I learned to fly airplanes in a Cub. I learned to fly trikes in a $9k ultralight trike. Anything that leaves the ground makes me happy and in the end that is all that matters.
Like design. Reminds me of the way most RC airplanes are sold now. Full scale ARF kit. But to be honest no real building to do. Little bit of assembly and wiring. Dont see in any way how it can ever be considered homebuilt. Is this where the industry is headed? The industry has been fudging the 51 % rule for a long time but this is getting out of hand. Anyway love the channel Brian. By the way hows your Zenith build coming? Need an update .
I would rather have one built 100%. Do a thorough checklist of the exterior, get in and another interior checklist, clear prop and let’s go fly after some high speed taxiing
@@flightnavigator8999 It does seem like we are heading more into that direction. At least... having it available to the masses as an OPTION for building/owning/operating an Aircraft. And I don't see the FAA having a problem with it so long as the "Repairmen Cert." is NOT issued to the Owner unless he is 51% The BUILDER gaining the knowledge of keeping it Airworthy. - I do OWE YOU an update on the Zenith now don't I. We had a few month pause from working on building the wings when my father had a heart attack requiring a triple bypass. Then a complication with clots. Been a real interesting season to say the least. We are getting back on track now though. :-)
It does seem like we are heading more into that direction. At least... having it available to the masses as an OPTION for building/owning/operating an Aircraft. And I don't see the FAA having a problem with it so long as the "Repairmen Cert." is NOT issued to the Owner unless he is 51% The BUILDER gaining the knowledge of keeping it Airworthy. - I do OWE YOU an update on the Zenith now don't I. We had a few month pause from working on building the wings when my father had a heart attack requiring a triple bypass. Then a complication with clots. Been a real interesting season to say the least. We are getting back on track now though. :-)
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this is the best way to experience Airventure. I can go, see a little bit, then come home and let you do the homework!
looks like a good combination of size, powerplants, folding wings, and quickbuild options.
You can tell this guy is really smart. 51% but the 51% of tasks they have the builder do are the least times consuming ones. Genius.
Makes me wonder if the FAA will accept it because they limit it by total amount of work, not tasks. The builder has to do 51% of the actual work, and tasks mean nothing.
With the hanger shortage across the country, this will really catch on. Evidence of that is both Kitfox and Just aircraft folding wing planes have 18 to 2 year lead times.
I am intrigued! Good looking design!
Already covered kit! No dealing with chemicals! Love to see it! When will they have a 2+2 with 120kts cruise?! 😄
MOSAIC will allow 4 seat airplanes. If there is a demand, that changes the game, and we can even do a factory built 4 seat bush plane at much more affordable prices than Part 23 allows.
@@silverlightaviation Of course I'm on one person, but I have to believe there is a demand! Pilots always want 4 seats... Just in case. We settle for 2 because 4 has traditionally been too expensive. Would love to see that change by the time I'm ready to buy a kit! Thanks for all you guys do!
PS. When Vans first introduced the RV-15, the Internet was flooded with 2 seat vs 4 seat chatter! Lots of people in Zenith forums also asking for a Super Duty Cruzer (3 seater jump seat). 👍
@@mcorrive12 I would be one of those. I need the 3rd jump seat @40-60kg but not a full 4 seater. SD cruiser would be amazing.
Thank you for the video.
I like it!!! Guy seems to know whats up for sure. Hope he does good!!!
Nice aircraft
Nice!
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Very cool!
If you had amphibious floats (on this plane or similar), could you fold the wings back or would it fall on it's tail?
I know exactly why you are asking. For docking. The answer is yes you can fold the wings on proper floats without dunking the tail in the water. I worked on American Legend amphibian super Cub floats. Floats of similar capability can be used and they won't allow the plane to drink water at the tail. Docking was a big issue for Searey because the folding wing was a very late afterthought. Otherwise a very capable light seaplane. Generally, a float system is or should be designed so that if one float has taken 2/3 water, it still should not flip-over. There is a decent safety margin.
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Hey it’s Abid! Good guy. Old friend of mine.
Hey Ryan. Still coding software away? You getting back into flying?
I have the Avid Model C and would love this as an upgrade. Kitfox was an Avid design!
I fly an amphibian, so i’m interested.
Another Kitfox repop but it looks good.
True, but the avid was the precursor to the kitfox.
@@benedicto.050 Same difference but he did widen it up a lot
Avid not Kitfox. KitFox was a copy of Avid all the way to Model 4. A back handed copy based on a non-compete not holding up in court on a technicality. The real genius behind the configuration was Dean Wilson though it was obvious to me that Avids were not engineered just made well with experience.
@@silverlightaviation Wow ok then
I like this guy and his design. I definitely may consider this kit sometime in the near future.
What’s the website address? Hard to hear what it is…
I believe he said silverlightaviation
@@Timoftx1776 Thanks!
Looks like a very nice plane, but financially speaking, I have no regrets with my zenith.
I'm not even on a Zenith budget, I'm scratch building a Sonerai...
@@whitetrashgarage8110 If you are a small person and a craftsman who cares about details and have a lot of time on hand, Sonerai can be a very nice airplane. Best of luck. Anything that gets us up is good. Enjoy and work hard
Soooo it’s basically a kitfox
No. Maybe just the paint job.
A KitFox on steroids.
The webpage says optional adjustable sliding seats. Abid said no to that in the interview.
Yes at that time I was interested in doing adjustable pedals but I came up with a way to do adjustable seats on brackets on the welded structure
How is that not an Avid?
Avid is defunct. I have 3/4 of a mkIV but the owner of Avid had family issues and shuttered the company
@@Aaron-om4dw Avid, Kitfox, they all look the same.
NIce plane.! I want one, but... There are plenty of flyable and LSA compliant vintage aircraft for less than $50k.. Serviceable 4-place sircraft are available for under $50k too. Tough sell.
With folding wings that can be trailered … I don’t know of that LSA
True. A good J3 Cub would be around $50k but it is from the 1940's. No way to compare those prices for a 1940's airplane to today. Experimental AB as a whole is likely the lowest cost of ownership overall for aircraft owners. Some commonsense is needed not to make drastic changes and keep the design safe of course but with today's avionics that would cost an arm and a leg to put in a CAR 4 certified airplane of decades ago, you have much better situational awareness and thus safety. I learned to fly airplanes in a Cub. I learned to fly trikes in a $9k ultralight trike. Anything that leaves the ground makes me happy and in the end that is all that matters.
Folding wings. You can garage it. Folding wings….
Like design. Reminds me of the way most RC airplanes are sold now. Full scale ARF kit. But to be honest no real building to do. Little bit of assembly and wiring. Dont see in any way how it can ever be considered homebuilt. Is this where the industry is headed? The industry has been fudging the 51 % rule for a long time but this is getting out of hand. Anyway love the channel Brian. By the way hows your Zenith build coming? Need an update .
I would rather have one built 100%. Do a thorough checklist of the exterior, get in and another interior checklist, clear prop and let’s go fly after some high speed taxiing
@@flightnavigator8999 It does seem like we are heading more into that direction. At least... having it available to the masses as an OPTION for building/owning/operating an Aircraft. And I don't see the FAA having a problem with it so long as the "Repairmen Cert." is NOT issued to the Owner unless he is 51% The BUILDER gaining the knowledge of keeping it Airworthy. - I do OWE YOU an update on the Zenith now don't I. We had a few month pause from working on building the wings when my father had a heart attack requiring a triple bypass. Then a complication with clots. Been a real interesting season to say the least. We are getting back on track now though. :-)
@richardturner6278 Was meant for you
It does seem like we are heading more into that direction. At least... having it available to the masses as an OPTION for building/owning/operating an Aircraft. And I don't see the FAA having a problem with it so long as the "Repairmen Cert." is NOT issued to the Owner unless he is 51% The BUILDER gaining the knowledge of keeping it Airworthy. - I do OWE YOU an update on the Zenith now don't I. We had a few month pause from working on building the wings when my father had a heart attack requiring a triple bypass. Then a complication with clots. Been a real interesting season to say the least. We are getting back on track now though. :-)
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannelPrayers for your Dad’s health buddy. Hope his recovery goes smoothly. Thanks for this video. That’s a sweet plane.
Huh looks like a kitfox
Based on Avid Flyer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avid_Flyer
The name is a little on the nose...
Yet another Avid Flyer/Kitfox knockoff.
$80,000 for the kit. Nope, that's too much money. You can buy a kit like that cheaper.
Yes you can if you want to work on it for 3 years or 1200 hours. not a kit like this.
@@abidfarooqui4899 almost all plans will take you a couple months. I'm a professional at wrenching.
Target buyer would be an older pilot with More Money and Less Time. Not wrong, just different market.