Quakers and Christianity
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In QUAKER QUEST Friends(Quakers) speak of their own experience in response to the questions people ask.
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00:35 : "That's absolutely literalist" -- that is so wonderfully well said. I think Quakerism is for abstract thinkers, for people who are interested in the spirit, the ideas, of the Bible, rather than the exact literal letter. To each their own. People who are not abstract thinkers are better off joining one of the many literal-minded Christian denominations.
Wonderful video. Quakerism makes so much sense ❤
Yes, they are. I am not aware of any Meetings here in Britain that are not part of BYM. The publication 'The Friend' often has correspondence reflecting the variety of views held. I regard it as a great strength that such diversity exists in a loving, supportive environment.
Nice kind people bashed by mainstream churches as we Jews are...
I'm astonished nobody's wearing an anorak or a LibDem rosette. Quakerism and "beardie-weirdies" are joined at the hip.
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What a load of defensive bullsh*t! Answer the question-don't accuse someone of having made an accurate observation, one that Quakers make about themselves all the time!
Refute what is said, not who says it or why; you'll sound less fearful and much less pathetic.
Are you seriously suggesting that people who grew up in a council house make up the majority, or even a minority larger than 10%, of Quakers? I know that there are Lutherans of Portuguese ancestry-I'm not claiming that they're a significant minority, though.
Green Party is sustained by Quaker integrity. Most Quakers are Labour or Green
And so basically the Greens or Labour at prayer, as class and ideologically limited and exclusive a group as the Fundiegelicals in the US?
Pretty pathetic for a group that claims to welcome all and cherish diversity.
Mate those are creeps!
I was immediately impressed with how William Penn was friends of the Natives. No ill will. In a world of greed and power, That is fresh air.
Grew up in the Deep River Friends Meeting in North Carolina a long time ago. Nòw on the US Territory (unincorporated) of Guam. This video was a spiritual treat! Many, many thanks!
My point is that BYM doesn't hold views. It is a collection of Quakers with different views who, nevertheless, meet together in unity and are able to discern the best way forward.
Yes, some British Quakers do hold very similar views to those found in the writings of the early Quakers. Others do not. I don't see this as a weakness but, rather, proof of a "living spirit".
On the question of diversity you and I do differ. Some of us not happy with a notion of a fixed, "true" Faith.
Thanks for the info.I had always believed these people just wore funny clothes and never drank wine. We all have to live and learn...takes all sorts...
In my family my father was in WW1. My uncle was in WW2 and my brother in law was in the Vietnam War. I could see anger and self destruction...terribly sad and frightening to live with, for us and for them...to love one another and help them love themselves...made the only sense....Your faith is the way...the more I see the more sense. I am not good enough but you make so much sense and Jesus IS the pinnacle of Love....
Interesting.ideas. Re. the second speaker, coming from a religious background with an intimidating view of Jesus, I always rather liked the Anglican Jesus of my friends' Sunday School whom I heard about second hand. I'm a big fan of soft or as they put it on here I suppose, wet. I've seen far too much of the opposite in religion and life both, seeming tediously unhelpful.
The casual, unthinking, perhaps even unintentionally offensive, language is quite surprising, and a bit unsettling. "Pickaninny"? Really?
I am not a quaker. I don't think so anyway. However, I come from a rather prodigious line of them in America and I am intrigued by a lot of their attitudes as well as relate with their activism within civil rights.
I actually found both speakers to be cogent and loving and maybe one because of the the other. I think it is very possible to hear part of what is being said and misunderstand the second speaker. He is speaking about his journey and why he was lead here. It is actually quite confessional and brave. More, any 'us vs them' rhetoric is paradoxically attitudes aimed toward unifying people. He talks of being curious in the face of incurious people. I don't think he is being stuffy but acknowledging that the other person isn't choosing to be curious the way he is.
Then I think of Matthew 10:34 and maybe this is how as much can coexist with the New Commandment. Even when we love one another doesn't mean everyone else does. It is folly to assume as much. However, the commandment to love one another doesn't depend on as much either. The commandment is given without condition. It is further notable that it is Christ who came to bring a sword, not us. It isn't our place to divide but Christ's place. Maybe we can learn to be more like Christ even from those who don't seek to, however, we surely can't without determining the difference.
Tristram Coffin Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Tristram.
I am confused so is Jesus the Son of God and is he alive? And is he the Christ? The anointed one or not? I mean I get the whole idea of the Christ as a phase within us but did he resurrect or not? I am just a bit confused with the speech is very insightful and poetic but kind of ambiguous! So just to understand his position is ambiguity part of his speech? I am not familiar with the Quaker views I am just asking questions. I am actually not going against it just trying to understand his speech.
You hit the nail on the head here. Like you I felt a bit confused by some of the things being said here. They didn't come straight out and state that Jesus is the Son of God. I'm in two minds about what quakers actually believe about Jesus and rather than being silent on the topic they need to get out their Bibles and have an open discussion about it.
Many of us are Christian and would tell you Jesus rose from death. I and many others are non-theistic Quakers who hold to their practices and tenets without believing in God. Since nothing about Quaker belief requires or conflicts with Christian belief, both opinions are welcomed. And I am forever grateful for that.
wow thx a very powerful video made alot of sense
Is there any gods he dont seem to be helping me much if you could all pray for me and have word with your leader IAM wating i will report back her 24hr s see if hes thier❤
9:00 what's most important about Jesus is not what he said to us, but what he did for us.
He died on the cross for our sins that's what he did, and through the shedding of his blood we can be assured of our salvation if we believe and be saved from an eternity of damnation.
@@carole_Uk This is what Quakers seem to miss completely.
I think Jesus' message that we should love everyone is a great idea. We can never fully achieve it but we can keep going in that direction.
When was this recorded, please?
Tristram Coffin Spring 2012 at Golders Green meeting house
srekauq Thank you. (Quite prompt, by the way.)
I think the Quaker Movement is unique and the most outstanding of all Jesus followers, I endorse it fully.
My friend is a Quaker. They are also atheist. There are quite a lot of them. I hope you have learned not to assume.
@@ohana8535 Indeed, there are atheist Quakers. Nothing about Quakerism requires or conflicts with a belief in God, so of course there is variety.
@@charliemallonee2792 Yes, that is pretty much what I said.
quakers are the true christians that prophet muhammad said there are good christians will help the messiah at the end of the world and they are smart people .
Muhammed is evil
Nearly went on a quaker weekend but realised it was out of my price range. Why is it so expensive?
BECAUSE GOD IS INSIDE YOU BRO
Yes god is inside you and that helps when you can not afford the £160 just for wk end workshop about quakerism.
ermakovartemlive Don't misuse caps lock.
abcdef abcdef Ask your parents to pay for it, for you.
Yes I may ask my parents just need a spiritualist medium to make contact.
Accepting “Family” as the 10th.Testimony
The Quaker testimonies of Equality and Justice have failed in the family. Fathers and children are at a disadvantage with many having been lost to each other. 45% of UK school age children do not now live under the same roof as their father.
Quakers and their testimonies constitute a feminist/woke institution that does not accept this as being a problem, never addressing it. It is more likely to do so if “Family” is accepted as a Testimony on the understanding that children’s natural maturation process has 3 essential stages of need.
A. The unconditional love of the mother from birth until about 7 years of age.
The mother must have “thefinalsay”
B. The conditional love of the father, who takes his children out into the world, gives security and teaching social boundaries from 7 until about 13 years of age.
The father must have “thefinalsay”.
C.The friendship and respect of their peers from 13 until 18 years of age.
The child must have “thefinalsay”.
If these 3 stages are not sequence in order, maturation is unlikely to be achieved and mental resilience reduced. This has now become generational.
Such a regime of equal and just parenting rights (over time) would bind parents into a co-operative relationship, because (over time) each will hold the power of “thefinalsay” sequentially when it is needed and best favoured to use it.
Such family protocols need to be the default position, (allowing love, courtesy and humour to prevail) but could in exceptional cases be varied by the courts.
Buckminster Fuller said:-
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete”.
To alleviate suffering is worthy. To prevent it is divine, but thankless.
So interested. I want to understand more! So much is ambiguous. We need a live Quaker Q&A session!
Hi, Try Quaker Quest on Facebook. There are several Quaker groups on Facebook who can answer your questions.
The Christ is in us? This is mystical religion not from the Hebrew Scriptures.
Return to the Holy Scriptures!
Did not the Apostle Paul say that Christ lived in him?
Richard Wigton
I think Paul so say that. I am sorry for the remark. Let us all understand what Paul meant by that and to do that We have to look into the Scriptures that Paul and Jesus and the disciples had.
Argumentative; this isn't the place !
There are hundreds of variant versions of the Christian Bibles which one?
Jesus said my words are ...
Peter said where shall we go you have the words....
Jesus said: "The "Kingdom of God is within". Here, he was referring to the purpose of his being the Messiah. At that time many claimed to be the Messiah; but all of them were violent; The prevalent idea was that the Messiah would be a warrior, like King David. The Jewish people hated to be under pagan Roman authority. It was the time of the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, and people anticipated a warrior, sent by God, who would overthrow Rome.
Both of Yeshua's parents were descendants of King David. Wise men did travel a long distance, led by the bright light. and told Joseph that Jesus was the promised one. Joseph, also, believed the Messiah would overthrow Rome, However, Jesus proved otherwise, to be gentle, helpful and kind. These attributes conflicted Yoseph.
At Yeshua's birth, the sins of his parents, which were absorbed by his soul, were lifted by God. He was born without sin. At age 2 or 3 he would talk with God, as an imaginary friend. In this way Yeshua was taught directly by God. By the age of 18 he concluded that he was the Messiah, a fulfillment of Ezekiel 11:19. The "new heart of flesh", alluded to the soul that is filled with God's Love, which would be Jesus' ministry. Just prior to Yeshua's baptism, he was born again, which was alluded to in Yeshua's conversation with Nicodemus, (but not understood by Nicodemus or Christians). Jesus referred to Ezekiel's heart of flesh, filled with God's Love. When Yeshua's soul was filled with God's Love, he was Christed or anointed, visibly shining, as depicted at the Mt. of Transfiguration, when the Kingdom of God was manifest; for Elijah and Moses had been closely observing Yeshua, and they, too, were filled with God's Love, and shone, but not so brightly as Yeshua. Moses told Peter: "Listen to him."
So when Jesus said: The Kingdom of God is within (your midst), he was referring to himself, and the fulfillment of Ezekiel 11:19 prophecy of the new covenant of a soul of flesh (soft), and not of stone. Because Yeshua resurrected the availability of God's Love to humanity, his mission was fulfilled, but certainly not understood. Yeshua established the Celestial Heavens, where every soul is filled with God's Love. Today there are 36 Heavenly realms, with an infinite number as we progress each step of the way.
Though this great truth is not explained in Scripture, I must add my own personal experience. When I was 12, I called loudly to God for "Help." Immediately, I was given God's Love. With God's Love I was given Truth, and my soul is transforming. The same is available to every single person on earth. There is only one requirement. You must ask God by applying your God-given will, to receive God's Love and Truth. Keep asking for more, and receive more. It's that simple. Here is proof for every atheist. Just remember. God communicates Soul (God) to soul (humans.) This is not through the physical body's brain. It is from your heart (but not your physical heart),, rather, from your soul . Soul to soul communication is the experiment that works every time. Try it for yourself, and experience this Truth.
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15:31 The police do not 'accost' people. Their entire role is keeping the peace
I don't know why he used that word but my dictionary definition of accost is simply to address, to come up to and talk to. The police certainly do that.
My dictionary says 'approach and address (someone) boldly or aggressively' it always had a negative connotation to my mind. Perhaps he didn't mean it that way.
They do now!
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers, and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. The Bible is the inerrant word of GOD read it and believe it for there is how you know GOD not by some feelings.
I totally agree with your opinion. Stick with what the Bible says, if you rely on your feelings youre open to error.
These people are lost. Until they realise that Jesus is God and the only way to heaven they'll never know real inner peace.
It is not true to say that BYM holds specific views whether Christ centered or non-theist. The Quaker Quest Network was started by a group of Friends to help enquirers and others understand the diversity of views held amongst Quakers in Britain. In my experience, some Friends in Britain hold views similar to your own but others do not. We celebrate our diversity.
This is creepy.
I grew up attending first day school and I have had numerous conversations with older friends. None of them knew one end of the bible from the other. The level of biblical ignorance among Quakers is astounding. But George Fox inspired this. "Jesus said this and the his disciples said that but what can'st thou say?" is ludicrous. Completely attacks the inspiration of scripture, the inerrancy of scripture. Puts people's "leadings" on a par with scripture. And there is never much talk of personal sin and repentance. Such talk is a conversation ender. So many lost souls thinking they are at peace with God when they will actually face his wrath. (But to friends that is all a metaphor for something.)
So your faith refutes the Quaker way. If that is what you need that’s fine. Quakers find what works for them. And it works well for them in the world.
I think its called deception.
@@baseidel Scripture refutes the Quakers. (Can't say I see what "need" has to do with anything.) Quakers reject all of the essential tenets of the Christian faith including the deity of Christ, need for personal salvation, Christ's atoning death (no atonement is needed for Quakers) and more. They are not Christians anymore than a Muslim is a Christian. The ones I have spoken with (including family members) embrace what makes them "feel closer to God" but theirs is not the God of the bible. Quakerism is a man-made error system that rejects the message of salvation offered through Christ. Indeed, one wonders why any of them bother to read the bible since they simply ignore the parts they don't like which is virtually all of it except bits about non-violence and giving to the poor. Sadly, they are wrong about those as well. What a waste.
6:40
Very bad speaker.
Needs to re-work his speech.
Jesus is within each good men. Thank You quackers
sounds like the Quakers are accepting even more gnostic and modern misinformation about Yeshua, I am praying for you all and would appreciate you all praying for me. ☺