Since it's a demo mill.... how about a "Will it Mill" series showing a bunch of different materials and cuts? Show us what the little guy can do and (more importantly) what it can't!
This is a fairly surprising machine to me... Probably, actually... ABSOLUTELY the single most impressive PCNC development I have seen among all the manufacturers out there. I cant wait to get this. A mill I can afford at this point, and clearly, something I can push to extremes.
Lol, no Jared to help back then? Miss you guys. Get a class together that explains the use and some tips for your pallet fixture plates. I need a great reason to come on out for more great training with my dayjob's blessing (paid expenses). Your classes have made it so clear in the past year, I almost have things paid off and I'm helping my dayjob get quick 2 or 3 day results to prove concepts. Thank you John, you have showed me that I can take advantage of the great potential of these affordable machines. AND thank God for the ATC!! as it makes life so easy! THIS is my all time favorite video only because it reminds me of why I got into buying a Tormach.
Steel cutting is my biggest concern and the only thing keeping me from sounding like you, John. I was recently laid off and am now seriously looking at starting my own shop so the timing on this 440 is nearly perfect. But steel cutting is my concern so anything you can demonstrate for that would be seriously appreciated. Thx! -Brad K
John, I love the excitement and can't wait to watch you put that baby through all sorts of ops. I have been trying to figure out how to fit an 1100 into my garage. Now I think I'll start off with the 440 and see if it will fill the bill. Anxious to see it in December at training! Thank you Patreon!
Cool little machine, John. My little home made mill does 6600 RPM on the spindle. When I went to my bigger mill, I am stuck with 4500. While it does okay in aluminum, I sure miss that speed of the little mill. 10,000 RPM on this one is right where it should be. Cudo's to Tormach for that foresight. Now lets have some fun with it. You mentioned you might need coolant for chip evacuation? I think not. ;) A broom might do a better job.
I just started watching some of your videos, and they are fantastic! Especially the suppressor series, it's the only one like it on RUclips! If only people had the enthusiasm for life the way you have about machining.
This little guy reminds me of a machine I checked out a few months back designed specifically for secondary ops. If we were still making gun parts on our lathes we would have probably picked one up to run the 2nd ops on. Pricing was a bit steep but it literally was a mini machining center that could be moved around with the included pallet jack. haha
Have you got plans to put it on a more solid bench? When you were rapiding it around, the whole machine was wobbling...probably won't do much for you finish cuts. Normally CNC's are put on a big concrete base. Nice machine though. Thanks for the videos. Dan.
Was really excited to see this, and I'll be keeping a close eye on your upcoming videos on this machine! We might just be thinking about going for a bigger mill (currently just have a little Sherline) - tossup between a Syil, which at least is stocked over here, and the Tormach. I'm liking the Tormach more and more...
+NYC CNC - wait, did that come out right? thought I was the only one that felt great about my wife being gone! before I retired, I use to get up every morning and feel her neck to see if she still had a pulse, that would be my bases on whether I had to go to work or not.lol assuming you didn't mean it in the context that I took it in!!! nice to see you so excited about the new machine though!
Looking forward to unboxing/setup of your retail 440 when it arrives! I am thinking about getting this one; mostly worried about getting it into my basement without a hoist...
same deal here. at about 350lbs I'm thinking it's just on the edge of doable. I got my lathe down the steps, but not sure on the awkwardness with the center of balance of this machine
Jesse you could always use a stair worty 2 wheel cart...the kind with the tracks on the back side with a brake to get down or up stairs. Movers use them to move some really really heavy stuff up and down stairs.
+suckerpinch Greetings, about a year ago we put a very large cast iron stove in a friends basement. Hint let gravity work for you. get some 2 x 6ixes on the bottom use hard board and tack them in with a butt joint. Attach eye bolts to the crate of the unit. Use heavy line through the eye bolts and slowly let it down. Still think safety and have some extra people around guiding it and an extra hand holding the same part of the line you are at the bitter end. Good luck. Keep the 2x6ixes near the unit for removal at a later date. Hope this helps....
LOL I bet you had some second thoughts about running with the guards open after you saw how those chips flew around the shop. One good thing: I expect the chips were large enough that they didn't actually get inside the keyboard.
Amazing, I will get to see a 110 and 440 in pasedena,california this next weekend. Can you try to make up a program to threadmill an #0-80 hole, I am so interested in this machine but scared because my work requires #0-80 in a lot of parts!
oh should have looked that up before I spoke, I wish Tormach them selves could do a demo of it. Anyways Love your videos! One last question, the 1100 you have did you finance the purchases or save for it?
I'd imagine this would be a good hobby CNC machine for 80% lower. I love your videos by the way. You make this English major slightly regret his career choice XP.
+NYC CNC Love the fogbuster, I rarely bother with full flood anymore on my 770. It feels like a lot of $ for what it is but it works great, I'll probably pick up the dual nozzle kit to get more coverage. The magnet arm kind of sucks though (or rather doesn't suck enough) as it tends to shift around in use.
Im confused. Don't you have a warehouse? Any I would love to get random sample data on decibels for specific cuts as I am reluctant to get a machine for home because of the noise and my neighbours. If you could do that I would be extremely helpful. Edit omg, I'm in love! I need one in 🇦🇺
Neat looking machine. Love the 10K spindle and fast rapids. I got pretty sick of all the "Oh My Gods" in the video. I found those pretty offensive by the time it was over.
Cool, I'm just running a 3-axis Optimum at the moment but feeling limited with both the lack of axes and general performance. This looks to be a solid preforming machine with the 10k spindle though! Will you be cutting tougher stuff than aluminum in future videos? I'd love to see it chew some stainless :-)
Hello John, i am starting out and now that you have a mill without the TTS system i can ask this question. lol How do you set up a program to change tools and re zero between tool changes? It's pretty confusing to me and i havent really made anything CNC because of that problem. Any help would be awesome or a push in the right direction. Thanks. Awesome mill by the way!
actually, it with the 770 has a better removal rate then the 1100 just cant run bigger cutters. I still babey mine. But just got a haas mini mill, i should be able to get in trouble with that..
that open house is only 5 hours and 37 minutes away from my house in Indiana...kind of thinking that would be a great intro before buying...looking into my schedule and may go...would be awesome to throw one in the truck as I'm leaving....probably not gonna be available ...still would be awesome...lol
How would you say the noise is on this machine compared to a belt grinder? I've found a low grit belt grinder on steel is borderline too noisy for my loft, so I'm nervous about finding a sound solution before I purchase.
Hi!. My company is thinking of buying a 440 for our r&d department. We do have a lot of experience with 3d an laser cutting but non with milling... how dificult do you think it will be for a novice in milling to make it work, time wise?
why don't any of you youtubers make videos cutting steps, pockets and holes and measure the locations and dimensions of the parts with accurate measurement tools so potential buyers can really see how close of tolerances can be held in aluminum vs steel on the 440.
+NYC CNC Yes, it is very user friendly. But their dynamic milling is not so good, compare to Mastercam or Edgecam. Or even Surfcam for that matter. But i think that they are going to upgrade soon.
+NYC CNC maybe the new rx100 mark iv (or the big brother rx10 ii I think) could do the job. only decent affordable slo mo cam there is. its about a grand. it can do 1000fps in somewhat watchable resolution. 1000fps @ 10000rpm should give your 6 frames per turn. for even better fps or resolution we're easily talking 5 figures
Hey John, great video. Question, I am considering getting a tormach 440 vs a taig or this Japanese one, kitmill ast200 please see link. (www.originalmind.co.jp/products/kitmill_ast) What do you think? I need a table top sized setup for quick prototyping and maybe small volume production. Will be cutting plastics, aluminum and stainless. Tolerances of a minimum of .002" ball park I gotta say the Japanese mill looks pretty impressive for it's size factor
John Stop messing around with the Chinese mills and buy a Haas 650 ipm. +- .0002 You can make some real money, you are talented and smart. You can get financing at like 5% for 6 years and its yours. You only need to clear an extra 700-1400 mo/ and with 883 ipm on a VF2 you should be able to really make some chips. That 440 is for serious hobbyist, you have been doing this long enough , you left the hobbyist level long ago. Buy American ! BTW I think the Fusion 360 is perfect for a small job shop turning out one offs and best of all it's priced right. I use it for engraving parts, it's fast. My TopSolid is ok for engraving but too much work for so little. Come on dude !! go for it. you won't regret it. If you want me to hook you up with a good finance company let me know?
Since it's a demo mill.... how about a "Will it Mill" series showing a bunch of different materials and cuts? Show us what the little guy can do and (more importantly) what it can't!
This is a fairly surprising machine to me...
Probably, actually... ABSOLUTELY the single most impressive PCNC development I have seen among all the manufacturers out there.
I cant wait to get this. A mill I can afford at this point, and clearly, something I can push to extremes.
Lol, no Jared to help back then? Miss you guys. Get a class together that explains the use and some tips for your pallet fixture plates. I need a great reason to come on out for more great training with my dayjob's blessing (paid expenses). Your classes have made it so clear in the past year, I almost have things paid off and I'm helping my dayjob get quick 2 or 3 day results to prove concepts. Thank you John, you have showed me that I can take advantage of the great potential of these affordable machines. AND thank God for the ATC!! as it makes life so easy! THIS is my all time favorite video only because it reminds me of why I got into buying a Tormach.
AWESOME!
It's really nice to hear your excitement and laugh! It's contagious. NYCCNC is on my channel top list, ranked 1st without competition.
Didn't think you could stand waiting to make a cut and video it.
😊
Thanks,
John
What happened to the under 5 grand bare bones machine they originally announced? Cheapest I see is a basic package at $7,000.
Well, that settles it then... Time to get the 440 fund in action! Glad the shipping miscue didn't slow things down much!
Best wishes,
Tom Z
It is good to hear some excitement in your voice.
So all we need now is the link to the tormach store where you get your percentage :) thanks for the first look John.
Steel cutting is my biggest concern and the only thing keeping me from sounding like you, John. I was recently laid off and am now seriously looking at starting my own shop so the timing on this 440 is nearly perfect. But steel cutting is my concern so anything you can demonstrate for that would be seriously appreciated. Thx!
-Brad K
Did you open a shop?
John, I love the excitement and can't wait to watch you put that baby through all sorts of ops. I have been trying to figure out how to fit an 1100 into my garage. Now I think I'll start off with the 440 and see if it will fill the bill. Anxious to see it in December at training! Thank you Patreon!
Cool little machine, John.
My little home made mill does 6600 RPM on the spindle. When I went to my bigger mill, I am stuck with 4500. While it does okay in aluminum, I sure miss that speed of the little mill. 10,000 RPM on this one is right where it should be. Cudo's to Tormach for that foresight. Now lets have some fun with it. You mentioned you might need coolant for chip evacuation?
I think not. ;) A broom might do a better job.
I just started watching some of your videos, and they are fantastic! Especially the suppressor series, it's the only one like it on RUclips! If only people had the enthusiasm for life the way you have about machining.
This little guy reminds me of a machine I checked out a few months back designed specifically for secondary ops. If we were still making gun parts on our lathes we would have probably picked one up to run the 2nd ops on. Pricing was a bit steep but it literally was a mini machining center that could be moved around with the included pallet jack. haha
+NYC CNC yes sir
Have you got plans to put it on a more solid bench? When you were rapiding it around, the whole machine was wobbling...probably won't do much for you finish cuts. Normally CNC's are put on a big concrete base.
Nice machine though. Thanks for the videos.
Dan.
+Daniel Way Yea i thought so aswell.
Like a kid at Christmas. Another great video. Keep up the good work.
Was really excited to see this, and I'll be keeping a close eye on your upcoming videos on this machine! We might just be thinking about going for a bigger mill (currently just have a little Sherline) - tossup between a Syil, which at least is stocked over here, and the Tormach. I'm liking the Tormach more and more...
Cool stuff John! You seem a little excited...:)
+NYC CNC - wait, did that come out right? thought I was the only one that felt great about my wife being gone! before I retired, I use to get up every morning and feel her neck to see if she still had a pulse, that would be my bases on whether I had to go to work or not.lol assuming you didn't mean it in the context that I took it in!!! nice to see you so excited about the new machine though!
He loves his chips!
HEY JOHN WHERES THE 440 NOW
John, you just had your first chipgasm!
It does seem to cut well. I will have to go to the tormach site and see what the specs are. Thanks for sharing.
Looking forward to unboxing/setup of your retail 440 when it arrives! I am thinking about getting this one; mostly worried about getting it into my basement without a hoist...
+NYC CNC yeah :(
same deal here. at about 350lbs I'm thinking it's just on the edge of doable. I got my lathe down the steps, but not sure on the awkwardness with the center of balance of this machine
Jesse you could always use a stair worty 2 wheel cart...the kind with the tracks on the back side with a brake to get down or up stairs. Movers use them to move some really really heavy stuff up and down stairs.
+akromix thanks!
+suckerpinch Greetings, about a year ago we put a very large cast iron stove in a friends basement. Hint let gravity work for you. get some 2 x 6ixes on the bottom use hard board and tack them in with a butt joint. Attach eye bolts to the crate of the unit. Use heavy line through the eye bolts and slowly let it down. Still think safety and have some extra people around guiding it and an extra hand holding the same part of the line you are at the bitter end. Good luck. Keep the 2x6ixes near the unit for removal at a later date. Hope this helps....
Nice mill John
I really like the size of it and it seems very rigid
grtz
Impressive, looking forward to some more cuts and testing..
Plug & play! Very cool, love this option.
Can sure shift metal! Fit a tool changer John, and your production capacity goes up exponentially!
Hey this is exactly the video i needed how i know nyccnc would come up thank John for the help earlier and this video!!
So jealous you got yours early. I preordered and can't wait!
+NYC CNC Yep. They said November. Your reaction was priceless when you started making chips. Hahaha.
@@michaelfeeney1311 how does your run
Beautiful machine I hope to own one myself one day.
Sweet, thats a little gem.
Yea looks like I'm gonna have to order the enclosure as well
LOL I bet you had some second thoughts about running with the guards open after you saw how those chips flew around the shop. One good thing: I expect the chips were large enough that they didn't actually get inside the keyboard.
Amazing, I will get to see a 110 and 440 in pasedena,california this next weekend. Can you try to make up a program to threadmill an #0-80 hole, I am so interested in this machine but scared because my work requires #0-80 in a lot of parts!
oh should have looked that up before I spoke, I wish Tormach them selves could do a demo of it. Anyways Love your videos! One last question, the 1100 you have did you finance the purchases or save for it?
I'd imagine this would be a good hobby CNC machine for 80% lower. I love your videos by the way. You make this English major slightly regret his career choice XP.
looks like a great little office mill! Is it set up to allow for flood?
+Geof Dumas Optional flood coolant "coming soon" on the tormach website
+NYC CNC Haha! Is the fogbuster like a spraymist? 10,000 r's, what a amazing machine!!
+NYC CNC Love the fogbuster, I rarely bother with full flood anymore on my 770. It feels like a lot of $ for what it is but it works great, I'll probably pick up the dual nozzle kit to get more coverage. The magnet arm kind of sucks though (or rather doesn't suck enough) as it tends to shift around in use.
lol Funny to see it on a Sam's Club Seville Classics drawer unit!
Im confused. Don't you have a warehouse? Any I would love to get random sample data on decibels for specific cuts as I am reluctant to get a machine for home because of the noise and my neighbours. If you could do that I would be extremely helpful. Edit omg, I'm in love! I need one in 🇦🇺
Years late would you still recommend the machine or do you know if they’re coming out with a newer version?
man.... i wish i had 7k laying around
same, its cheap for a cnc but still a lot of money for peasants.
Neat looking machine. Love the 10K spindle and fast rapids. I got pretty sick of all the "Oh My Gods" in the video. I found those pretty offensive by the time it was over.
Amazing! Very high want-factor on this machine! Are you getting the 4th axis as well?
Cool, I'm just running a 3-axis Optimum at the moment but feeling limited with both the lack of axes and general performance. This looks to be a solid preforming machine with the 10k spindle though! Will you be cutting tougher stuff than aluminum in future videos? I'd love to see it chew some stainless :-)
That some proper chips flying :3
do you think this is a good machine for beginners? if not what would you recommend?
Hello John, i am starting out and now that you have a mill without the TTS system i can ask this question. lol How do you set up a program to change tools and re zero between tool changes? It's pretty confusing to me and i havent really made anything CNC because of that problem. Any help would be awesome or a push in the right direction. Thanks. Awesome mill by the way!
+NYC CNC that would be awesome, can't wait! Thanks in advance!
Very impressive!!
Steel test cuts pretty please John!
actually, it with the 770 has a better removal rate then the 1100 just cant run bigger cutters. I still babey mine. But just got a haas mini mill, i should be able to get in trouble with that..
Are you using constant engagement toolpaths?
John, Tormach's website still has the 440 listed as out of stock...any idea when they will be available for sale?
that open house is only 5 hours and 37 minutes away from my house in Indiana...kind of thinking that would be a great intro before buying...looking into my schedule and may go...would be awesome to throw one in the truck as I'm leaving....probably not gonna be available ...still would be awesome...lol
Very nice!
How would you say the noise is on this machine compared to a belt grinder? I've found a low grit belt grinder on steel is borderline too noisy for my loft, so I'm nervous about finding a sound solution before I purchase.
Wow, small enough to put on a tool cart. You could take that on-site for some rapid prototyping.
Another alum..., Can you try facing Ti ? I'll buy if you can cut/facing Ti with smooth cut :).
+NYC CNC I'm not in us, you must have Ti or ss 316 or 304 will do. Please.
Well, what the money is capable to do.
My father always said:
"- The only difference between a children and a man is their toys prices.
Hi!. My company is thinking of buying a 440 for our r&d department. We do have a lot of experience with 3d an laser cutting but non with milling... how dificult do you think it will be for a novice in milling to make it work, time wise?
WOW! that was cool.
very exiting !
I would like to have one in my garage for shure :)
But can it cut steel (1017,1018) D2?
how sturdy is that base? trying to find something more economical than tormachs base. any recommendations?
What's the price for this machine ? Is this suitable for firearms engraving ?
So this machine can mill a piece of aluminum that is 10"x6"x4" thick?
Hi john what happened to your other CNC tormach
+Dave Graham He still has it. I believe the 440 will just supplement
why don't any of you youtubers make videos cutting steps, pockets and holes and measure the locations and dimensions of the parts with accurate measurement tools so potential buyers can really see how close of tolerances can be held in aluminum vs steel on the 440.
what is the software called what u use to control it via the PC would it work with grbl?
What about the style of bed you have on your 1100 wouldn't that be possible to make one for this machine because of the enclosure
+NYC CNC The bed table that you have on your tormach PNC 1100 with all the holes in it instead of the standard t slot base
+iCloud Henshaw You mean a fixture plate? Yeah he can and probably will make one for use on this.
What type of tool box do you use for base?
How much is one of those for 230 volt, shipped to Scandinavia?
I thought your goal was to expand into a production machine shop?
you are resting this on a tool trolley?
Do you offer any training?
Cool 👍👍👍
I love your mission you hiring people I want to join your team
Safety first
I see an XCarve, will there be xcarve vids?
Awesome :-)
What's the price on this unit John? Wish I lived in the states :-( Freight to Australia would be murder let alone the shithouse Aussie dollar!
You can easily run it at double that feed rate
+NYC CNC yes, with coolant
are you going to let your man use (cant rember his name) it, or is it just your new toy he get`s the 1100 to use
Aha! Dynamic milling. What Cadcam do you use?
+NYC CNC Ok. We use Gibbscam.
+NYC CNC Yes, it is very user friendly. But their dynamic milling is not so good, compare to Mastercam or Edgecam. Or even Surfcam for that matter. But i think that they are going to upgrade soon.
cool.
Whats that music at start?
NYC CNC
from 0:41 till 1:14
Thank you
Someday... :)
you need a slow mo cam
+NYC CNC maybe the new rx100 mark iv (or the big brother rx10 ii I think) could do the job. only decent affordable slo mo cam there is. its about a grand. it can do 1000fps in somewhat watchable resolution. 1000fps @ 10000rpm should give your 6 frames per turn. for even better fps or resolution we're easily talking 5 figures
Hey John, great video.
Question,
I am considering getting a tormach 440 vs a taig or this Japanese one, kitmill ast200 please see link. (www.originalmind.co.jp/products/kitmill_ast)
What do you think? I need a table top sized setup for quick prototyping and maybe small volume production. Will be cutting plastics, aluminum and stainless. Tolerances of a minimum of .002" ball park
I gotta say the Japanese mill looks pretty impressive for it's size factor
I want
I could have done that with a hacksaw and some sandpaper for way less money
7 grand is a lot of money for a milling toy!
John Stop messing around with the Chinese mills and buy a Haas 650 ipm. +- .0002
You can make some real money, you are talented and smart. You can get financing at like 5% for 6 years and its yours.
You only need to clear an extra 700-1400 mo/ and with 883 ipm on a VF2 you should be able to really make some chips.
That 440 is for serious hobbyist, you have been doing this long enough , you left the hobbyist level long ago.
Buy American !
BTW I think the Fusion 360 is perfect for a small job shop turning out one offs and best of all it's priced right.
I use it for engraving parts, it's fast. My TopSolid is ok for engraving but too much work for so little.
Come on dude !! go for it. you won't regret it. If you want me to hook you up with a good finance company let me know?
Tormach shill
You made a BIG mess!! LOL
CAM?