On April 10, 1963, I was in the 5th grade.PERMIT. a friend classmate was doing a cross-sectional view of the USS George Washington ballistic missile submarine on the bulletin board in the back of our classroom. Both of our dads worked on submarines in Groton, CT. That morning, on April 10th, my friend came to school, and he told me that the USS Thresher SSN-593 was overdue at returning to Port. I was saddened by her loss. 8 years later, I was assigned to the USS PERMIT SSN-594. My interest in submarines began in 1961 after seeing the movie Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea. I'm proud to have served on the USS Permit SSN-594.
@@acidfly1Why do you say that?, it would make your comment more relevant if you were to say what your experience of the Seawolf is and/or how you know that it is a P.O.S, otherwise you sound like it is just sour grapes.
@@kushking949just like @acidfly 1 how do you come to that conclusion and what is your experience with the vessel, you just make yourself look like you have a chip on your shoulder.
Fun fact: each new submarine has a plate of steel in its hull that is taken from a decommissioned sub. It is called the “mother plate” and has the name of the submarine from which it was taken engraved into the plate. The mother plate is usually located on the underside of the hull.
I worked on SSN 575 and SSN 571 Nautilus as a pipe fitter at Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo California where it was decommissioned. Ocean Engineering used this boat for special use and that’s where I worked. I had a Top Secret clearance as all did working on this platform so I can not say what we did and even I din’t know anything about it’s mission. Modular construction did not exist so we constructed every piece of pipe by hand as did all the other trades. We did excellent construction at every step and everything we did was inspected. It was a great time in my career. Today the Ballistic Nuclear Submarine is the most powerful weapons platform on earth, I call it, The Doomsday Machine.
WW2 Germany did the first module build of submarines. Funny thing is there slave labor made slight changes to random parts that forced the final fitter made corrections and repairs before they could fit the sections together.
They came up with the idea based on Henry Ford and the American car manufacturing industry way of producing all the allied war machinery. Problem was the USA was used to it and pioneered that building model, even without their slave labor tinkering with the subs, they sucked anyway because the Germans didn't have the experience mass producing things like that.
And maintenance times most likely increased because as a mechanic, sometimes packaging things too tight they don't take into account the physical size and access required to repair/replace parts. As mechanics we hate engineers.
Yeah, CD-ROM and eliminating paper for floppy disks. So cutting edge. What a load of crap. If these systems were designed and built properly they wouldn't be running the actually real and utterly pathetic "Windows for Warships" as their newest tech.
Very sad to admit, you are correct! With the current state of the Global Politics, we currently need 20 or 30 of the Sea Wolf Class, Fast Attack Submarines!
I helped design and test/tune the waveguide window hull penetrator assembly. It was a “ZERO DEFECT” project. Was very proud once it passed the “UNDEX” evaluation.
I'm 62 as of a couple weeks ago. I STILL so BAD want back in. I suppose it shows how much I miss it. It wasn't always a cupcakes and ice cream party, but it was our LIFE. I'll ALWAYS remember my brother submariners and the times-good and not so good-we all spent together. I think we all did what we did as a crew and we did it VERY WELL.
The Seawolf Class needs to go on a war time crash build program of no less that 15 more attack subs in 6-7 years. Looks like they will be needed sooner rather than later in Asia and they give capabilities other attack subs do not have.😊
The Seawolf Class is history; DoD has moved on from Seawolf to the less expensive Virginia Class submarine. We built 3 Seawolves, and have since built 21 Virginia Class boats. Less capable, but also much less expensive - and where submarines are concerned, more is better - much better. It's about coverage, not capability; these are attack subs, whose job it is - predominantly - to take out enemy shipping with Mk 48 torpedoes, and land-based military facilities with Tomahawk cruise missiles. They have other roles, but that's the primary reason we build them. Between the 21 Virginias, the 40 688 class subs - 30 of which have Vertical Launch Systems for Tomahawks, and the 3 SSGNs - converted Ohio-class ballistic missile subs now equipped for an attack class role - we are on a major treadmill building the foundation of our anti-Russian fleet, and anti-Chinese fleet, control apparatus. With the buffoons currently running Washington, we may soon need them.
My father worked at EB for 35 years, he was a project manager on the weapons systems for the boomers and fast attacks. Very interesting in the multitude of the various attack and insertion characteristics of subs. Correct EB secured a huge contract to build the VA class and certain aspects were carried over from the Seawolf class. As you noted the Seawolf was very expensive to build. He used to go out on the sea trials for the subs before they fully handed them over to the Navy. Some of the stories he has told me are riveting. Lot's of stuff he could never share because of the classified nature.
The Seawolf class remains the gold standard even 30 yrs later. Just spare no expense, update the stealth design and build another 15 of these exemplary boats
Omg yes, because without the US Military everywhere, America cannot function. How on earth did America go from being a bunch of farmland and wilderness in 1776... To the richest nation on earth by 1900? We didn't even have soldiers and sailors obsessed with being everywhere, all the time. Yet somehow it happened anyway. Magic.
My great uncle, Donald Joseph Naze, perished on the USS Seawolf (SSN-197) during WW2. The sub was sunk by probable freindly fire claiming all on board.
@@GH-oi2jf Same ship name given to other ships when no longer in service. A new Ford class carrier under construction now is the Enterprise. The Big E was our first nuclear powered carrier commissioned in 1960.
MAD mutually Assured Destruction. This thing is serious. The most sophisticated in the world. Now I understand why having these is important , it can be a game changer. They can destroy a surface fleet in stealth and then blast a tomahawk missile with mirv and blow stuff off the map.
@39:40 I find it interesting that today everyone says the Hunley sank the Housatonic, yet this documentary and others say it only inflicted minor damage. So which is it?
The Huniey DID sink Housatonic, well documented, but never came back. Lost with all crew. Had sunk in shallow water with her crew during trials. Poor design and concept. Has been raised and is in a museum
There's been an increase in rewriting history in the last few years. Note that in this program they ignore the sinking of three cruisers by one submarine in WW1, and in this program, they use WW2 footage to represent WW1. This program is big on selling the project, and not much else.
HY-80 and HY-100 are both weldable grades, whereas the HY-130 is generally considered unweldable. HY-80 is considered to have good corrosion resistance and has good formability to supplement being weldable.
It’s an insane level of hull design that’s capable of being pushed that fast. However, a large submarine going at full tilt will leave a wake in the sea surface. US has satellites to look for these wakes.
I've watched this one before. Even in my day, across two classes of boats - the 640 boomers and the 637 attack boats - those were the most FASCINATING, INCREDIBLE pieces of naval architecture and engineering on this planet. Those boats are ancient by today's standards, yet BOTH are AMAZING designs.
I was Program Manager for the reactor coolant measurement system and visited EB many times. The system is used on the Seawolf class and the following classes.
I remember the SSN-21, SeaWolf class VERY well. My first boat was the last class of boomer before the 726, Ohio Class. The 640 class. When she went into overhaul, her second one, in 1982, the Seawolf was already on the drawing boards. The 688, Los Angeles class boats were already well established. When I went through submarine school in the Summer of 1981, wet trainers and fire trainers weren't yet around. Those didn't show up until I was an E-6 @ SubTraFac San Diego in 1989 or so. Submarine technology has changed SO MUCH, I'd have to go back through SubSchol again to even begin all over. It's HARD to believe that I went through submarine school almost 45 years ago.
Not trying to nit- pick here , but speeding past all those ships lost , and fading beyond readable names , seems really disrespectful of all those who perished . Just my opinion.
When ever you hear an introduction to a video claiming that "for the very first" you are about to see the inside of something military, or top secret, you are about to see something that is obsolete & no longer needs to be secret.
The USS Jimmy Carter is the “Seawolf Class” that technically doesnt exist. No “official” home port, mission, and no contact outside except for the officers once underway.
Please don’t talk about 23 so negatively. She lives in Bangor, WA. Officially registered under the Naval Registry. And officers aren’t safe from being restricted to outside contact the same as enlisted (they are)
HY-100 is a new recipe for hull steel. Both the boats I was on were constructed out of HY-80. Peacetime test design depth was 1300 feet. Went there several times. That hull would moan, groan ,pop, creak and so forth. The pressure was huge. I'm remembering 44 pounds/square inch for every 100 feet we descended under the surface. Simple math.....at 1000', there would've been 440 pounds of pressure to every square inch. Piece of cake. The hull didn't like it but, always hung tough.
I remember, on more than one occasion when someone did find a leak, we went deep to see if the leak would stop or at least slow down. Kind of scary the first time you experiance that.
@RichardUnger-fo1lv Oh yeah. Recall that now. Unless it was a major piping system, or some other catastrophe, just sit tight. Check it out and continue with the dive. First boat I was on, I was, of course, a nub when I got there. I still recall almost 45 years later, being told submarines are designed to leak "a little." An MM once told that water actually makes a great lubricant. I hadn't known that.
I knew Frank Holland. He was an Engineer aboard the Nautilus, when it sailed under the North Pole. He passed away, abput ten years ago. I also met the retired and elderly General Electric Engineer who designed the electrical control system for its reactor.
@@lawrenceleverton7426 I'm sure it is. Frank told mr about the issues on their shakedown cruise. He and another crew member created the postal stamp to mark a batch of mail, as they went under the North Ole. After his time in the Navy, he taught Nuclear Safety.
Saw the interior of a even newer submarine and the wheels and 2+ men used to dive/steer the sub has been replaced with one man and a laptop. He simply inserts or clicks the desired action and the sub does the rest. The cool periscope mechanism you raise/lower turn etc is now a X-box controller. No nuclear engineering degree needed, only X-box EXPERIENCE.
I was a nuclear engineer in the US Navy. I truly think Hyman G. Rickover may have been one of the greatest engineers of the 20th century, if not the greatest. Yeah, I'm an ex-nuke Rickover fanboy, and unashamed. My hero was a Jewish mad scientist Admiral who somehow managed to convince Congress that it was safe to operate a nuclear reactor underwater, and then delivered on it. I am jealous that they now have all the manuals available in digital format. I know it's not a good look. But there were freeking literally tons of manuals on everything everywhere. You could stumble around in engineering, touch something and chances are there was either a manual for that if you didn't lose a finger, or there may have been a manual even if you did lose a finger. But my point isn't fingers, it is the manuals this metaphorical finger fingered - that is "fingered" in the context of pointing at things with manuals - with the "manuals" being the point. I'm trying to so there were so many manuals. It's so cool that's now not on big physical paper binders. While having a lot of paper, also had other materials, because binders require other materials (including metal, which to be clear, is not paper) to properly function as minders. Although I do not recall there was a manual on the binders - they just went wild and figured nuclear engineers would derive the engineering that goes into the construction of a binder and intuitively grasp how to operate the binder - even if the binder comprised of more materials than paper. But that also is not my point, my point is the mass. They took up space and were heavy. I like manuals - I just like manuals more when they are digital so weigh nothing - much less than the something it was - which was a lot.
@kenashworth7672 I am also an ex-nuc. I was an RO on a SSN 637 class out of Pearl from 76-79. I remember when we would get back to port having to use some big mid 1970's copy machine at some office on shore, using ream after ream of paper, to make x-number of copies of the latest set of revisions of the nuc manuals. Then go back to the boat and spend hours updating all the binders back aft. I am also a Rickover admirer and highly recommend Polmar & Allen's book: "Rickover". The joke back when I was in was that the "G" of his middle names was for God. I spent much of my early 20s: underway, underwater, on watch.
I was a nuc officer on USS Flasher (SSN 613) from 1966 to 1971. Understand your point here. If all systems failed….we could probably sink somebody by hitting them with RPM manuals. Each one of the things weighed `5-6 lbs.
As a former MT on SSBN's which was in the very first class of SWSE school after it was relocated to Groton from Kings Bay,GA I felt sorry for you nukes because I remember all the talk that went around the base about how damn many hours a day/night you guys had to go to class. Glad I missed the qualification score by 2 points for that program. Learning the trident Dll nuclear missile in & out was enough school for me.
@@wbrockstar9550 If I had scored 1 point less, I would not have been accepted into the nuke program - that test seriously rattled me. so I was.... lucky? Not so sure about that one, shipmate... The school was truly rough. And it's not like Missile Tech is an easy rate.
@@kenashworth7672 If you can do so without divulging any top secret information,what component,system or functioning process that's part of the reactor would you say was the most difficult portion to learn overall and was it the same for the other students?? All through high school I constantly wondered what was the purpose of Algebra/Algebra ll & how I would never see myself needing it for anything. Then low & behold, it was literally the very first subject discussed in BERT (basic electronics rate training) along with the formulas we would use to do many parts of our job/rate. I was definitely relieved I had taken it in high school then.
Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful piece of history with us all, I would love to hear more about the journey of submarines and submariners on the missions that they didn’t do, at least according to the official records available to people outside of the United States military hierarchy, I would like to bet that they did pull of some fantastic pieces of Naval history by doing what was supposed to be impossible, submariners are, in my opinion, the bravest of all the armed forces, not just those of the United States but all the worlds navy’s , especially those that are not in the most advanced submarines that are not as safe as those of the other advanced nations. I have heard the events of the USS Thresher and the reasons for its sad loss, but having watched some of the documentary films I came to the conclusion that it must have been a technical fault or failure, only because that is the most likely cause not because of any kind of knowledge that was not in the public domain, it is perhaps something that the United States Navy or government do actually know but have decided that it is/was not in the public interest to know, but if so then it is perhaps time that the families of those lost were told, it would be the moral thing to do. As good as this documentary is, and the propaganda value it has, I do wish that the narration would stop saying things like “the fastest submarine ever built” or “the most powerful” etc etc, because the United States does NOT know what they are saying is 100% true, for instance the British Royal Navy have our own fleet of advanced nuclear submarines and I don’t believe that they would share the most secret information regarding its capabilities, not even with the United States, other countries also operate nuclear submarines that were not built by the United States or Great Britain. I understand why the narration makes those statements but after a while it becomes more like “bragging rights” than anything else, it seems like the old story, “if it’s American then it must be the best in the world” unfortunately for the USA that is not always true and it just grates on people and they give up listening. Just for the sake of making another point about the “best/biggest/fastest the world has ever seen “ surely the Saturn 5 Crawler that moved the whole assembly to the launch pads was larger and carried more weight than the module transport vehicles used by the Electric Boat Company????, if not I would be very surprised. Not being a submariner perhaps one could answer a question for me, why does it seem that the basic way of firefighting onboard is still water, would it not be possible to use a suppressive gas or liquid to stop a fire before it became to large to tackle and have fire hoses and other more basic equipment to tackle it if the primary system failed to do the job or was inoperative????. Thanks. The first navigable submarine was built in 1620 by a DUTCH inventor by the name of Drebbel, who was actually working for the Royal Navy and it could remain submerged for three (3) hours and could go up and down the river Thames from Greenwich, the home of the Royal Navy, to other points along the river. not the Irish inventor Bushnell in 1775.
11:47 we now know if a force makes threats about knowing where your at or that they know your on your way it’s just a scare tactic. It’s really the force making the threat that’s scared. But those times were different times yeah it was modern warfare for the time but the ground war was still fought the same as it was for the past 500 plus years
My father was the Master Diver at the submarine escape school in Groton Ct, we use to play in the su b escape chambers as kids, and ay in the olympic size pool, i can say no other kid had it like me and my brothers did. Would do anything to go back to those days
Well, that politician put it okay, I suppose. Around the corner? Like hell!!!!! We were right up their butts!!!!! I'm proud and impressed to no end about what I participated in during my days in the submarine force. We did some absolutely INCREDIBLE stuff. Call it bragging if you want to. We were SUPER BADASS and GOOD at what we did. I miss it SO BAD.
Well, battle maneuvers are a feature that might not sit well with commercial transactions modes viability. I still accept the ice burg and sea creatures theory of submarines. Reff: Titanic.
Maybe the best submarine was the first nuclear powered submarine, The Nautilus. All that have come after are the result of its development. G-d bless the men and women who have the responsibility to protect us and our country.
Yep CD-ROM's were cutting edge technology in the early 90's before DVD's came out. I was still listening to a cassette player when this sub was depeloped.
0:11 Can you imagine being in the sub crew during a rapid surfacing where the bow launches over 60ft above the water, and then falls the height of a 8 story building back below the waves !?! While this sort of looks like a whale playing on the surface, you have to realize the scale of that sub about 40ft tall (nearly 15m without conning tower) and the nose went way farther into the air, then splashed down to submerged level again. HOLD ON !! That's taking every person and machine on a wild roller coaster ride. Tie EvErYtHiNg down (especially the torpedos)... tell the kitchen NoT to be cooking/serving anything at the time, and hope nobody was trying to use the bathroom. How does a nuclear reactor like being tossed into the air, then dropped five stories or more while still generating about 80% of its rated power ?? ( I guess they build 'em Navy tough )
With maritime chokepoints like the red sea rn, we should move from commercial shipping to submarining. At least in disputed waters. Maybe even have like a navy program where we could quickly be refitted for war if needed
The craziest thing about the whole US nuclear sub program is that Rickover hated nuclear anything and wanted nothing to do with it, really. So he took it upon himself to make sure that it was done as safely as possible.
Unfortunately these were designed using early CAD/CAM. Many parts were over designed and almost impossible to manufacture. With each unit becoming almost a prototype.
What makes you think military-industrial complex engineering facilities stopped designing when the prototype part was made? I've seen instances where fasteners went through 25 revisions after release. Never mind electronics going from SMT (surface mount technology) PC boards to stand-alone integrated devices. Check out how many transistors you can get on the head of a pin. Ever hear of Moore's Law? New advances in AI computer design are making it obsolete. And nowadays, virtually no discrete part is impossible to manufacture. The biggest drawback is the cost of desirable material in quantity (think graphene in large sheets). Another drawback is the current level of available technology, and the reluctance to invest in exploiting new avenues of thought. AutoCAD is a great program, but it isn't the program of choice for high-tech design.
7:16 I disagree. Those were the most dangerous times in world history not just American. A nuclear war wouldn’t just affect American soil and Soviet soil. That would be a world wide catastrophe.
My brother was a medic on a nuclear powered sub off the sea of Japan when it's nuclear power was , in Jeperty and was in Need of being shut down !!! He ,and 6 other sea mate's volunteered to shut down the Reactor , least they not be able to Surface !!! ,& They ,weren't supposed to be thier ether !!! They were given an estimate on How long each man had to live ! They Saved the mission !, but ! ,They All were Only given 7 , year's to live !!! , all 6 of the other men died !!! , & my brother was operated on to install a machine into his body to keep him Alive ! I just got him Help to be in another vet Hospital in UTAH ! , cause the veteran's Hospital wouldn't help Help him ! ,His wife fell down in front of him ,with a cartiack & died ,later the next day ! That's What you get ! For serving your country !!! . IT SUCK'S !!! THANKS AMEN !
The Military's decision to use water cooled nuclear reactors for submarines lead the world down the path of using the same kind of reactor for electricity production. This has proved to be disastrous for public confidence in nuclear power, because of a number of human caused accidents. What many don't know is that there was an alternate reactor design that was abandoned, but is now being looked at as a safer & far more efficient way to generate electricity.
The people that build and operate these fantastically complicated vessels>>>are the heart and blood of AMERICA. Many times they are NOT EVEN NOTICED!!!which is by design,the general public doesn't have a clue what is being done behind the curtain to allow the public to by food,watch crap TV shows,and sometimes act like complete assholes when they are out in public.When Jack Nickels in the movies said to Tom cruse YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH,that really does happen.Great video,thanks
This is true my father worked at EB. The issue was the outer hull covering on the initial build it would sheer off. It was the fastest sub in the world. The cost was the reason they only built a few.
@@lawrenceleverton7426 The Seawolf was quieter at top speed than the Va class sitting in the harber. It's in a class of its own. Exceptionally well designed and built.
Seawolf-class nuclear submarines like the USS Connecticut use passive sonar to identify and locate targets. Passive sonar is highly covert and has long detection range and it is the preferred way for submarine underwater detection in peace-time operations and daily sailing. When it comes to offensive maneuvers or navigating in environments with complex bottom topography, submarines would change to positive sonar for detection. But some recent analysis suggest that submarines would also use passive sonar to cover their tracks sometimes,
@@andrewthomson 1st having built RC boats and submarines for decades gave me all the hydrodynamics knowledge I needed. 2nd OK genius explain me how the tip of the torpedo at 34:28 is hydrodynamically efficient.
So many people commenting here seem to find documentaries like this, which showcase state-of-the-art technology at the time, hysterically funny. Perhaps they lack the awareness to see that today's state-of-the-art technology may seem just as 'laughable' 30 years from now. They also seem to forget that these systems don't stand still but are constantly being upgraded. Today's technology didn't spring into being out of nowhere. It's the result of decades, even hundreds of years, of technological innovation and evolution.
On April 10, 1963, I was in the 5th grade.PERMIT. a friend classmate was doing a cross-sectional view of the USS George Washington ballistic missile submarine on the bulletin board in the back of our classroom. Both of our dads worked on submarines in Groton, CT. That morning, on April 10th, my friend came to school, and he told me that the USS Thresher SSN-593 was overdue at returning to Port. I was saddened by her loss. 8 years later, I was assigned to the USS PERMIT SSN-594. My interest in submarines began in 1961 after seeing the movie Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea. I'm proud to have served on the USS Permit SSN-594.
Thanks for Sharing that with us!
Much love to you and blessing to you and your family!
Must have been quite an experience!
That is awesome! Thank you for your service!!! Y’all are heroes!
A fellow Permit veteran here. Was on board in "84 - '85.
Remember the Thresher…friggin sad and heartbreaking lesson in undersea engineering.
Ah, my favorite submarine ever. Beautiful piece of engineering and plain old American badassery!
it's a POS with horrible engineering.
@@acidfly1 right
@@acidfly1Why do you say that?, it would make your comment more relevant if you were to say what your experience of the Seawolf is and/or how you know that it is a P.O.S, otherwise you sound like it is just sour grapes.
@@kushking949just like @acidfly 1 how do you come to that conclusion and what is your experience with the vessel, you just make yourself look like you have a chip on your shoulder.
Fun fact: each new submarine has a plate of steel in its hull that is taken from a decommissioned sub. It is called the “mother plate” and has the name of the submarine from which it was taken engraved into the plate. The mother plate is usually located on the underside of the hull.
I didn't know this
I worked on SSN 575 and SSN 571 Nautilus as a pipe fitter at Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo California where it was decommissioned. Ocean Engineering used this boat for special use and that’s where I worked. I had a Top Secret clearance as all did working on this platform so I can not say what we did and even I din’t know anything about it’s mission. Modular construction did not exist so we constructed every piece of pipe by hand as did all the other trades. We did excellent construction at every step and everything we did was inspected. It was a great time in my career. Today the Ballistic Nuclear Submarine is the most powerful weapons platform on earth, I call it, The Doomsday Machine.
Darn..... I wish I could see a structure like a modern sub up close. I am a little jealous to be honest.
@@NickanM You truly can't appreciate them until your standing in front of and in them.
What an amazing career! Thank you!!
The place I used to work machined the propellers for Seawolf. Used to have the T-shirt but haven't seen it in years.
Glorious bit of 90s nostalgia warporn narrated by Mark Hamill
I was hoping Luke would tell us what goes into manufacturing a $1,500 toilet seat.
"Seawolf" is the most badass name ever given to a warship, ever.
The "Seawolf" was a diesel electric from WW2 and highly decorated!
It's good, yes, but I would offer 'Dreadnaught' as a solid competitor.
I’m waiting for a ship to be named USS FAFO.
Seawolf faces heavy competition from USS Kraken
Its a sub not a warship
WW2 Germany did the first module build of submarines. Funny thing is there slave labor made slight changes to random parts that forced the final fitter made corrections and repairs before they could fit the sections together.
It's a bit different building technology on a starvation diet.
They came up with the idea based on Henry Ford and the American car manufacturing industry way of producing all the allied war machinery. Problem was the USA was used to it and pioneered that building model, even without their slave labor tinkering with the subs, they sucked anyway because the Germans didn't have the experience mass producing things like that.
I implemented CAD/CAM at DuPont. Our construction rework rate went from 20% to 1.5%.
And maintenance times most likely increased because as a mechanic, sometimes packaging things too tight they don't take into account the physical size and access required to repair/replace parts. As mechanics we hate engineers.
engineering at it’s finest hats off to the engineers
Yeah, CD-ROM and eliminating paper for floppy disks. So cutting edge. What a load of crap. If these systems were designed and built properly they wouldn't be running the actually real and utterly pathetic "Windows for Warships" as their newest tech.
@@Wheretherivermeets LOL no sh!t though.
Until it gets hit by Chinese supersonic missle
It is very impressive
@@michaelleggieri7135Russia/ Ukraine war shows us everything blows up if you shoot it.
My father was a nuke on 575.... did some crazy things that are still classified to this day.
I had four friends on the USS Seawolf SSN-575 in 1971
God bless the submariners, who serve beneath the waves.
IT'S AN INSPIRING MACHINE and Narrated by Mark Hamil, now that was a surprise but he was really good at it.
Its a display of how inept military vehicle planning is. They went from hundreds to 3. Because it's a flaming piece of shit to build.
Just think how inspiring it would be if it was designed by Disney Imagineers and narrated by Mickey Mouse!
I worked on this bad girl at EB. This sub was a nightmare to build and I don't expect we'll see anymore but the 3 we have currently.
Very sad to admit, you are correct!
With the current state of the Global Politics, we currently need 20 or 30 of the Sea Wolf Class, Fast Attack Submarines!
More well I hope you guys had a bunch of kids that want to follow in your footsteps. Might not be possible to build in a few years more.
@@tomcharter4127they just need to computerize them and allow kids to play them through a new submarine game 🎮.
Why??
@@Lookaturself875 Because.
This is so cool!! I just love learning about technology!!
Anyone read the book Blind Man’s Bluff? It’s about the history of the US submarine program and I highly recommend it!!
I helped design and test/tune the waveguide window hull penetrator assembly. It was a “ZERO DEFECT” project. Was very proud once it passed the “UNDEX” evaluation.
I'm 62 as of a couple weeks ago. I STILL so BAD want back in. I suppose it shows how much I miss it. It wasn't always a cupcakes and ice cream party, but it was our LIFE. I'll ALWAYS remember my brother submariners and the times-good and not so good-we all spent together. I think we all did what we did as a crew and we did it VERY WELL.
The Seawolf Class needs to go on a war time crash build program of no less that 15 more attack subs in 6-7 years. Looks like they will be needed sooner rather than later in Asia and they give capabilities other attack subs do not have.😊
The Seawolf Class is history; DoD has moved on from Seawolf to the less expensive Virginia Class submarine. We built 3 Seawolves, and have since built 21 Virginia Class boats. Less capable, but also much less expensive - and where submarines are concerned, more is better - much better.
It's about coverage, not capability; these are attack subs, whose job it is - predominantly - to take out enemy shipping with Mk 48 torpedoes, and land-based military facilities with Tomahawk cruise missiles. They have other roles, but that's the primary reason we build them.
Between the 21 Virginias, the 40 688 class subs - 30 of which have Vertical Launch Systems for Tomahawks, and the 3 SSGNs - converted Ohio-class ballistic missile subs now equipped for an attack class role - we are on a major treadmill building the foundation of our anti-Russian fleet, and anti-Chinese fleet, control apparatus. With the buffoons currently running Washington, we may soon need them.
My father worked at EB for 35 years, he was a project manager on the weapons systems for the boomers and fast attacks. Very interesting in the multitude of the various attack and insertion characteristics of subs. Correct EB secured a huge contract to build the VA class and certain aspects were carried over from the Seawolf class. As you noted the Seawolf was very expensive to build. He used to go out on the sea trials for the subs before they fully handed them over to the Navy. Some of the stories he has told me are riveting. Lot's of stuff he could never share because of the classified nature.
@@MrGsteele ❤q😂😂😂😂😂upi
The Seawolf class remains the gold standard even 30 yrs later. Just spare no expense, update the stealth design and build another 15 of these exemplary boats
Omg yes, because without the US Military everywhere, America cannot function. How on earth did America go from being a bunch of farmland and wilderness in 1776... To the richest nation on earth by 1900? We didn't even have soldiers and sailors obsessed with being everywhere, all the time. Yet somehow it happened anyway. Magic.
My great uncle, Donald Joseph Naze, perished on the USS Seawolf (SSN-197) during WW2. The sub was sunk by probable freindly fire claiming all on board.
Sorry to hear that about the FF, but those were heroes
SS-197. There were no nuclear submarines during WW II.
@@GH-oi2jf Same ship name given to other ships when no longer in service. A new Ford class carrier under construction now is the Enterprise. The Big E was our first nuclear powered carrier commissioned in 1960.
What about the ohio class vs seawolf?
MAD mutually Assured Destruction. This thing is serious. The most sophisticated in the world. Now I understand why having these is important , it can be a game changer. They can destroy a surface fleet in stealth and then blast a tomahawk missile with mirv and blow stuff off the map.
There are nuclear tipped tomahawks, but no multiple re-entry vehicle for cruise missiles.
Love to all our military..may God protect USA..and our familys
If God is protecting us, what do we need these for?
What's the invisible man in the sky got to do with anything?
God is in the Air Force, he is also “All Knowing” 😂
@39:40
I find it interesting that today everyone says the Hunley sank the Housatonic, yet this documentary and others say it only inflicted minor damage. So which is it?
The Huniey DID sink Housatonic, well documented, but never came back. Lost with all crew. Had sunk in shallow water with her crew during trials. Poor design and concept. Has been raised and is in a museum
Also, the torpedo was not towed behind but was mounted on a spar attached to the bow. Whoever wrote this didn't do their homework.
There's been an increase in rewriting history in the last few years. Note that in this program they ignore the sinking of three cruisers by one submarine in WW1, and in this program, they use WW2 footage to represent WW1. This program is big on selling the project, and not much else.
I developed an engineering procedure to weld attach the two main pieces of the steam generator at the dock instead of inland and then ship to dock.
I analyze steel for scrap brokers and was wondering what was up with the HY 100 I was finding. Have lots of HY 80 and HY 140
HY-80 and HY-100 are both weldable grades, whereas the HY-130 is generally considered unweldable. HY-80 is considered to have good corrosion resistance and has good formability to supplement being weldable.
This is miles better than 'The Last Jedi'.
What year was this film made?
You generally cruise at about 60% power, at full tilt she can do 45-50 but it's not recommended to run like that for long.
When building them they had issues with material on the other hull sheering off. Not to mention the highly classified speed and depth.
45-50? Holy...$#÷&!
@@AluminataI believe it went closer to 60.
@chadjackson5113 that is a truly insane power train!
It’s an insane level of hull design that’s capable of being pushed that fast. However, a large submarine going at full tilt will leave a wake in the sea surface. US has satellites to look for these wakes.
Back when TLC wasn't reality shows
You guys have my respect.......thank yous all........amen
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I'm a fitter. I didn't work on any projects at this facility. Newport News back in the day structures are put together in assemblies and subassemblies
I've watched this one before. Even in my day, across two classes of boats - the 640 boomers and the 637 attack boats - those were the most FASCINATING, INCREDIBLE pieces of naval architecture and engineering on this planet. Those boats are ancient by today's standards, yet BOTH are AMAZING designs.
Seawolf, she’s a very quiet one. I can only imagine the true damage she can do.
I was Program Manager for the reactor coolant measurement system and visited EB many times. The system is used on the Seawolf class and the following classes.
Yes, Admiral Rickover, I was the one who ate your prized seedless grapes from the officer's mess. They were delicious.
I knew it was u!🫡
@@Lookaturself875😂😂
I remember the SSN-21, SeaWolf class VERY well. My first boat was the last class of boomer before the 726, Ohio Class. The 640 class. When she went into overhaul, her second one, in 1982, the Seawolf was already on the drawing boards. The 688, Los Angeles class boats were already well established. When I went through submarine school in the Summer of 1981, wet trainers and fire trainers weren't yet around. Those didn't show up until I was an E-6 @ SubTraFac San Diego in 1989 or so. Submarine technology has changed SO MUCH, I'd have to go back through SubSchol again to even begin all over. It's HARD to believe that I went through submarine school almost 45 years ago.
Not trying to nit- pick here , but speeding past all those ships lost , and fading beyond readable names , seems really disrespectful of all those who perished . Just my opinion.
Agreed
I used to take the subway to work. God Bless Submariners.
When ever you hear an introduction to a video claiming that "for the very first" you are about to see the inside of something military, or top secret, you are about to see something that is obsolete & no longer needs to be secret.
The Pentagon needs to keep us motivated continue sending them our liberty, our children and our money.
So they give us movies about cool shit.
How good are the welds on that hull
How does navy select personnel for submarines?
They have to volunteer, then qualify.
The USS Jimmy Carter is the “Seawolf Class” that technically doesnt exist. No “official” home port, mission, and no contact outside except for the officers once underway.
Please don’t talk about 23 so negatively. She lives in Bangor, WA. Officially registered under the Naval Registry. And officers aren’t safe from being restricted to outside contact the same as enlisted (they are)
@@timber_wulf5775say what???
@@Lookaturself875 wikipedia is your friend
HY-100 is a new recipe for hull steel. Both the boats I was on were constructed out of HY-80. Peacetime test design depth was 1300 feet. Went there several times. That hull would moan, groan ,pop, creak and so forth. The pressure was huge. I'm remembering 44 pounds/square inch for every 100 feet we descended under the surface. Simple math.....at 1000', there would've been 440 pounds of pressure to every square inch. Piece of cake. The hull didn't like it but, always hung tough.
Awesome sauce. I find submarines fascinating.
I remember, on more than one occasion when someone did find a leak, we went deep to see if the leak would stop or at least slow down. Kind of scary the first time you experiance that.
@RichardUnger-fo1lv Oh yeah. Recall that now. Unless it was a major piping system, or some other catastrophe, just sit tight. Check it out and continue with the dive. First boat I was on, I was, of course, a nub when I got there. I still recall almost 45 years later, being told submarines are designed to leak "a little." An MM once told that water actually makes a great lubricant. I hadn't known that.
At one point Hamil equates how many stacks of floppy discs? Oh this must be old 😅😅
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Same exact principle.
Very Nice, and Super Subs. Beautiful Engineering.
Anyone out there know anything about the protruding knob forward of the tower and near the prow?
I knew Frank Holland. He was an Engineer aboard the Nautilus, when it sailed under the North Pole. He passed away, abput ten years ago.
I also met the retired and elderly General Electric Engineer who designed the electrical control system for its reactor.
I've been in the Reactor Compartment of the Nautilus. Oh its tight. Even dusted off the display dummies. All things Nautilus are cool.
@@lawrenceleverton7426 I'm sure it is. Frank told mr about the issues on their shakedown cruise. He and another crew member created the postal stamp to mark a batch of mail, as they went under the North Ole. After his time in the Navy, he taught Nuclear Safety.
Fantastic!
Saw the interior of a even newer submarine and the wheels and 2+ men used to dive/steer the sub has been replaced with one man and a laptop. He simply inserts or clicks the desired action and the sub does the rest. The cool periscope mechanism you raise/lower turn etc is now a X-box controller. No nuclear engineering degree needed, only X-box EXPERIENCE.
Reference the Virginia class block 5 to see the latest US attack sub. The Sea Wolf successor.
We need more seawolf class subs
Thanks Mark. Good Doco mate. Take care
I was a nuclear engineer in the US Navy. I truly think Hyman G. Rickover may have been one of the greatest engineers of the 20th century, if not the greatest. Yeah, I'm an ex-nuke Rickover fanboy, and unashamed. My hero was a Jewish mad scientist Admiral who somehow managed to convince Congress that it was safe to operate a nuclear reactor underwater, and then delivered on it. I am jealous that they now have all the manuals available in digital format. I know it's not a good look. But there were freeking literally tons of manuals on everything everywhere. You could stumble around in engineering, touch something and chances are there was either a manual for that if you didn't lose a finger, or there may have been a manual even if you did lose a finger. But my point isn't fingers, it is the manuals this metaphorical finger fingered - that is "fingered" in the context of pointing at things with manuals - with the "manuals" being the point.
I'm trying to so there were so many manuals. It's so cool that's now not on big physical paper binders. While having a lot of paper, also had other materials, because binders require other materials (including metal, which to be clear, is not paper) to properly function as minders. Although I do not recall there was a manual on the binders - they just went wild and figured nuclear engineers would derive the engineering that goes into the construction of a binder and intuitively grasp how to operate the binder - even if the binder comprised of more materials than paper. But that also is not my point, my point is the mass. They took up space and were heavy. I like manuals - I just like manuals more when they are digital so weigh nothing - much less than the something it was - which was a lot.
@kenashworth7672 I am also an ex-nuc. I was an RO on a SSN 637 class out of Pearl from 76-79. I remember when we would get back to port having to use some big mid 1970's copy machine at some office on shore, using ream after ream of paper, to make x-number of copies of the latest set of revisions of the nuc manuals. Then go back to the boat and spend hours updating all the binders back aft. I am also a Rickover admirer and highly recommend Polmar & Allen's book: "Rickover". The joke back when I was in was that the "G" of his middle names was for God. I spent much of my early 20s: underway, underwater, on watch.
I was a nuc officer on USS Flasher (SSN 613) from 1966 to 1971. Understand your point here. If all systems failed….we could probably sink somebody by hitting them with RPM manuals. Each one of the things weighed `5-6 lbs.
As a former MT on SSBN's which was in the very first class of SWSE school after it was relocated to Groton from Kings Bay,GA I felt sorry for you nukes because I remember all the talk that went around the base about how damn many hours a day/night you guys had to go to class. Glad I missed the qualification score by 2 points for that program. Learning the trident Dll nuclear missile in & out was enough school for me.
@@wbrockstar9550 If I had scored 1 point less, I would not have been accepted into the nuke program - that test seriously rattled me. so I was.... lucky? Not so sure about that one, shipmate... The school was truly rough. And it's not like Missile Tech is an easy rate.
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If you can do so without divulging any top secret information,what component,system or functioning process that's part of the reactor would you say was the most difficult portion to learn overall and was it the same for the other students??
All through high school I constantly wondered what was the purpose of Algebra/Algebra ll & how I would never see myself needing it for anything. Then low & behold, it was literally the very first subject discussed in BERT (basic electronics rate training) along with the formulas we would use to do many parts of our job/rate. I was definitely relieved I had taken it in high school then.
The most advanced when she was launched... Miles ahead of everything existed..
Yeah great book!
Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful piece of history with us all, I would love to hear more about the journey of submarines and submariners on the missions that they didn’t do, at least according to the official records available to people outside of the United States military hierarchy, I would like to bet that they did pull of some fantastic pieces of Naval history by doing what was supposed to be impossible, submariners are, in my opinion, the bravest of all the armed forces, not just those of the United States but all the worlds navy’s , especially those that are not in the most advanced submarines that are not as safe as those of the other advanced nations.
I have heard the events of the USS Thresher and the reasons for its sad loss, but having watched some of the documentary films I came to the conclusion that it must have been a technical fault or failure, only because that is the most likely cause not because of any kind of knowledge that was not in the public domain, it is perhaps something that the United States Navy or government do actually know but have decided that it is/was not in the public interest to know, but if so then it is perhaps time that the families of those lost were told, it would be the moral thing to do.
As good as this documentary is, and the propaganda value it has, I do wish that the narration would stop saying things like “the fastest submarine ever built” or “the most powerful” etc etc, because the United States does NOT know what they are saying is 100% true, for instance the British Royal Navy have our own fleet of advanced nuclear submarines and I don’t believe that they would share the most secret information regarding its capabilities, not even with the United States, other countries also operate nuclear submarines that were not built by the United States or Great Britain. I understand why the narration makes those statements but after a while it becomes more like “bragging rights” than anything else, it seems like the old story, “if it’s American then it must be the best in the world” unfortunately for the USA that is not always true and it just grates on people and they give up listening.
Just for the sake of making another point about the “best/biggest/fastest the world has ever seen “ surely the Saturn 5 Crawler that moved the whole assembly to the launch pads was larger and carried more weight than the module transport vehicles used by the Electric Boat Company????, if not I would be very surprised.
Not being a submariner perhaps one could answer a question for me, why does it seem that the basic way of firefighting onboard is still water, would it not be possible to use a suppressive gas or liquid to stop a fire before it became to large to tackle and have fire hoses and other more basic equipment to tackle it if the primary system failed to do the job or was inoperative????. Thanks.
The first navigable submarine was built in 1620 by a DUTCH inventor by the name of Drebbel, who was actually working for the Royal Navy and it could remain submerged for three (3) hours and could go up and down the river Thames from Greenwich, the home of the Royal Navy, to other points along the river. not the Irish inventor Bushnell in 1775.
Submaine? I think you have a typo in your screen
You didn't see anything... 👀
11:47 we now know if a force makes threats about knowing where your at or that they know your on your way it’s just a scare tactic. It’s really the force making the threat that’s scared. But those times were different times yeah it was modern warfare for the time but the ground war was still fought the same as it was for the past 500 plus years
Why do military videos always have the best drums?
Great video gents
My father was the Master Diver at the submarine escape school in Groton Ct, we use to play in the su b escape chambers as kids, and ay in the olympic size pool, i can say no other kid had it like me and my brothers did. Would do anything to go back to those days
June 20, 1870 - Jules Vern designed the Nautilus. I was deployed. Admiral Disney, Captain Nemo were in charge. Those were the days
This is ancient technology...
Not as ancient as you believe. The current VA fast attacks replaced the Seawolf. Lot's of characteristics are taken from the Seawolf.
Our military machine can't hold a feather to China ! It is ancient tech! Planned obsolescence!
8:53
The first shots fired in the gulf war were by the assets of Operation Secret Squirrel out of Barksdale.
596 BS
Excalibur
That order could skyrocket if a global conflict breaks
it is just not the same without seeing depth charge mortars exploding all around the submarine.
This program (Seawolf) has as been around for 4 decades.
Up coming!
Well, that politician put it okay, I suppose. Around the corner? Like hell!!!!! We were right up their butts!!!!! I'm proud and impressed to no end about what I participated in during my days in the submarine force. We did some absolutely INCREDIBLE stuff. Call it bragging if you want to. We were SUPER BADASS and GOOD at what we did. I miss it SO BAD.
Well, battle maneuvers are a feature that might not sit well with commercial transactions modes viability. I still accept the ice burg and sea creatures theory of submarines. Reff: Titanic.
Maybe the best submarine was the first nuclear powered submarine, The Nautilus. All that have come after are the result of its development. G-d bless the men and women who have the responsibility to protect us and our country.
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This is the most sophisticated submarine of the 1990s. They even have manuals on CD-ROM lol
Lol my Dad worked at EB for 35 years (PM weapons). I remember the binders he would come home with.
@@ActionJ26 thats awesome haha. Yeah I was a Stryker ICV driver in Iraq, I actually have 2 binders just for that vehicle haha.
Yep CD-ROM's were cutting edge technology in the early 90's before DVD's came out. I was still listening to a cassette player when this sub was depeloped.
0:11 Can you imagine being in the sub crew during a rapid surfacing where the bow launches over 60ft above the water, and then falls the height of a 8 story building back below the waves !?!
While this sort of looks like a whale playing on the surface, you have to realize the scale of that sub about 40ft tall (nearly 15m without conning tower) and the nose went way farther into the air, then splashed down to submerged level again.
HOLD ON !! That's taking every person and machine on a wild roller coaster ride.
Tie EvErYtHiNg down (especially the torpedos)... tell the kitchen NoT to be cooking/serving anything at the time, and hope nobody was trying to use the bathroom.
How does a nuclear reactor like being tossed into the air, then dropped five stories or more while still generating about 80% of its rated power ??
( I guess they build 'em Navy tough )
Floppy disks the height of the world trade center
My phone has that memory
My phone has 10 times that amount.
Seawolf park Galveston Texas Port Bolivar Texas is iconic I've been seeing it all my life we had a cabin in Bolivar when I was a kid great times
Find out about the predacessor, SSN 575
“NURO SEAWOLF”
THAT WAS A BAD-ASS BOAT
The conning tower exterior really looks crinkled from its extra diving ability
With maritime chokepoints like the red sea rn, we should move from commercial shipping to submarining. At least in disputed waters. Maybe even have like a navy program where we could quickly be refitted for war if needed
super inefficient
The craziest thing about the whole US nuclear sub program is that Rickover hated nuclear anything and wanted nothing to do with it, really. So he took it upon himself to make sure that it was done as safely as possible.
Unfortunately these were designed using early CAD/CAM. Many parts were over designed and almost impossible to manufacture. With each unit becoming almost a prototype.
Sure doesn't look impossible to me, lol
What makes you think military-industrial complex engineering facilities stopped designing when the prototype part was made? I've seen instances where fasteners went through 25 revisions after release. Never mind electronics going from SMT (surface mount technology) PC boards to stand-alone integrated devices. Check out how many transistors you can get on the head of a pin. Ever hear of Moore's Law? New advances in AI computer design are making it obsolete. And nowadays, virtually no discrete part is impossible to manufacture. The biggest drawback is the cost of desirable material in quantity (think graphene in large sheets). Another drawback is the current level of available technology, and the reluctance to invest in exploiting new avenues of thought. AutoCAD is a great program, but it isn't the program of choice for high-tech design.
14:58 reasoned he could counter attack the submarine's achllies heel.
Want to see concept design of space wolf attack anti gravity sub ship and space ship photon torpedoes
7:16 I disagree. Those were the most dangerous times in world history not just American. A nuclear war wouldn’t just affect American soil and Soviet soil. That would be a world wide catastrophe.
And still room for more and in the future
Studying the movement of the sea feelin this creature pull in deepth
Can be interested on signing ❤🎉😮
My brother was a medic on a nuclear powered sub off the sea of Japan when it's nuclear power was , in Jeperty and was in Need of being shut down !!! He ,and 6 other sea mate's volunteered to shut down the Reactor , least they not be able to Surface !!! ,& They ,weren't supposed to be thier ether !!! They were given an estimate on How long each man had to live ! They Saved the mission !, but ! ,They All were Only given 7 , year's to live !!! , all 6 of the other men died !!! , & my brother was operated on to install a machine into his body to keep him Alive ! I just got him Help to be in another vet Hospital in UTAH ! , cause the veteran's Hospital wouldn't help Help him ! ,His wife fell down in front of him ,with a cartiack & died ,later the next day ! That's What you get ! For serving your country !!! . IT SUCK'S !!! THANKS AMEN !
Are you drunk? 😂
@@skate103 god I hope so, the alternative is they have a terminal case of being an id10t
The Military's decision to use water cooled nuclear reactors for submarines lead the world down the path of using the same kind of reactor for electricity production. This has proved to be disastrous for public confidence in nuclear power, because of a number of human caused accidents. What many don't know is that there was an alternate reactor design that was abandoned, but is now being looked at as a safer & far more efficient way to generate electricity.
The people that build and operate these fantastically complicated vessels>>>are the heart and blood of AMERICA. Many times they are NOT EVEN NOTICED!!!which is by design,the general public doesn't have a clue what is being done behind the curtain to allow the public to by food,watch crap TV shows,and sometimes act like complete assholes when they are out in public.When Jack Nickels in the movies said to Tom cruse YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH,that really does happen.Great video,thanks
Sleeping in a torpedo cradle... I'll be damned before I get launched into the ocean on accident mid-slumber.
Why is your video almost identical to the one Spark created and posted 3 years ago?
It's old now but must still be comparable to the LHC. Or the latest iteration of it.
Its still way ahead of the Virginia class even now
The floppy disk reference was a terrible way to state the complexity of the submarine lmao.
Shame the program was cancelled with only 3 built.
The 3 Built helped in the designing of the Va Class. And they are awesome. Cap't Dave said the Seawolf was so fast things fall off. Believe him.
This is true my father worked at EB. The issue was the outer hull covering on the initial build it would sheer off. It was the fastest sub in the world. The cost was the reason they only built a few.
@@lawrenceleverton7426 The Seawolf was quieter at top speed than the Va class sitting in the harber. It's in a class of its own. Exceptionally well designed and built.
Seawolf-class nuclear submarines like the USS Connecticut use passive sonar to identify and locate targets. Passive sonar is highly covert and has long detection range and it is the preferred way for submarine underwater detection in peace-time operations and daily sailing.
When it comes to offensive maneuvers or navigating in environments with complex bottom topography, submarines would change to positive sonar for detection. But some recent analysis suggest that submarines would also use passive sonar to cover their tracks sometimes,
26:42 It was a bad seal on a pipe that ruptured.
Why the tip of the torpedo doesn't look hydrodynamically efficient?
Because you don't understand hydrodynamics.
Hope this helps ☺️😙
@@andrewthomson 1st having built RC boats and submarines for decades gave me all the hydrodynamics knowledge I needed. 2nd OK genius explain me how the tip of the torpedo at 34:28 is hydrodynamically efficient.
@@rva1945 that's not a torpedo "genius" that's a tomahawk cruise missile as declared at 34:29
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@@rva1945 cat got your tongue there Hawking?
I developed everything on this bad ass machine
So many people commenting here seem to find documentaries like this, which showcase state-of-the-art technology at the time, hysterically funny. Perhaps they lack the awareness to see that today's state-of-the-art technology may seem just as 'laughable' 30 years from now. They also seem to forget that these systems don't stand still but are constantly being upgraded.
Today's technology didn't spring into being out of nowhere. It's the result of decades, even hundreds of years, of technological innovation and evolution.
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This technology has come a long way from the turtle !!