FIFTY SHADES OF BUFFY! Buffy, the Vampire Slayer 6x13 'Dead Things' Reaction!
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Hi, my name is Elie Moses and I am a 22 Year-Old Law and Film student here in Sydney, Australia. I have decided to watch the entire 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' TV SERIES for the FIRST TIME. Here is my reaction for Episode 13 of Season 6. BUFFY'S TROUBLES CONTINUE TO OVERWHELM!
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Well, at least Buffy opened up to one of her friends. And I think Tara was a perfect choice because she's not the kind of person to judge or criticize someone so easily. Tara will lend an ear and a shoulder to cry on. She's loving and supportive. And since her and Buffy both share a loss of a mother, Tara can probably understand why Buffy has made certain choices that others might deem bad or wrong. Again, Buffy crying and just being sad hurts. Homegirl has been through ALOT.
This is one of the darkest hour of Buffy, i love that the series took the courage to go where it went. This is just great tv
I do like how spike was checking in with Buffy"what is this" "do you even like me" "but you like what I do to you". Although it gets warped and twisted it's kind sweet. One of my favorite episodes I will comment as the episode progresses
Buffy beating the crap out of spike is the same as faith in Buffy's body beating herself up. She is taking all her hate for herself out on spike. I mean I get it. They brought me back I should be dead if they hadn't of brought me back this girl would be alive. It always gets me when his face turns back to ham (just noticed this mistake too funny I meant human 😂) and she realizes what she has done.
The scene with Spike at the Bronze was real. The only scenes where you can't trust your eyes are with those demons in the forest and the subsequent tortured dream sequence.
Timeline confirmation: Willow has not cast a spell for 32 days up to the start of this episode, meaning this episode takes place exactly that many days after episode "Gone."
I just love all the depth of the symbolism in this episode. Great writing. Katrina is a dead 'thing' emphasis on being treated like a thing. Buffy considers herself dead inside (depressed) and also considers herself a dead thing in that she literally died and hasn't yet decided if she wants to live (Dawn's speech to her). Spike is a dead thing with no soul.
Buffy hates herself for many reasons I think but as regarding Spike: I do think she has some feelings for Spike but primarily right now she is depressed and using him. Also, she morally doesn't think she could, should or is really able to love someone without a soul. So she is both using him and can't love him and knows he loves her. She feels guilty for it and also her sex addiction is making her feel icky about what boundaries she has crossed physically and possibly emotionally. Poor Buffy. Really going thru it.
I feel like Buffy is the closest thing Spike has to a soul or a conscience, and with her depressed and lost, that makes him lost. We see it early in this season and late in Season 5: When Buffy treats him well or she's being kind, he tones it down and follows her example. When she is abusive and insulting, he revs it up too. I was relieved when Buffy finally told someone, and I was even more happy it was Tara. Tara is such a sweetheart and we really haven't gotten to see her and Buffy one on one much aside from that scene in The Body.
@ferrisulf That's an interesting take. I agree that the parallels seem to be there, though unsure if they were intentional. Would be a bone to pick with Whedon and co. if so. I always thought that Spike was ready to walk away from Buffy until she kissed him at the end of Once More With Feeling (he told her she didn't have to say anything, she should go back to her friends, then she made the move). Not blaming Buffy for Spike's behavior, though. Spike's demon side would inevitably become a rift between them, and his manipulations/aggressions ramped up when he wanted more from her than she could/would give. I love that he learned what he really wanted was to be close to her heart, and after much ***spoiler***
trial and effort, he got to experience it without sex being a factor. Tragic that he didn't believe it, though.
Faith did kill the deputy mayor by accident, but later she killed the poor archeologist very much on purpose. And Giles killed Ben. He was not an ordinairy human being of course, but human enough to keep Buffy from killing him.
He was a volcanologist
@@meggo329 my mistake. Doesn't make him less human though (unless you mean a Vulcan of course:-))
The zookeeper in The Pack (1x6) was killed in self defense.
Infamous balcony spuffy scene. Buffy and spike were at the bronze for real. The common theme with them is spike comes Buffy says no stop don't and then continues with spike
Buffy desperately needs someone to tell her that what she does is wrong. She has always been the upright, straight girl following the right path (no wonder the first thing Faith was practicing while being in Buffys body was "You can't do that - it is wrong"). Now she is astray, doesn't understand her feelings and desires. She fliches when Willow uses words relatet to being tied up and touches her wrists, hinting that in the end she indeed let Spike handcuff her or she handcuffed him. That is something she thought she would never, ever let happen, let alone enjoy. It is nothing a Slayer, a Chosen One, a hero, would enjoy.
Regarding Dawn, like I said before, I really appreciate you seeing her side as well. I always hits me when she half-cries "You are not really here anyway". And it is true, we haven't seen Buffy interact socially with Dawn this season at all. She never takes her to the movies or to milkshake-fun-days like Willow and Tara (yeah I know they never saw the movie in the end, but the intend was there). Dawn is also present when Buffy tells Sweet in Once More with Feeling that he should just go and take her to the underworld instead of Dawn, she would gladly go with him. I am sure it hurts seeing your older sister, your protector, your only family member left, saying they don't have anything they care to be here for in this world.
Regarding the movie and milkshake-fun-day thing you mentioned. Tara does that with Dawn. Willow used Dawn as an excuse to get a fix. The intention wasn’t to spend time with her, it was to have a reason to leave the house and knowing she couldn’t just leave Dawn in the house alone, she suggested dinner and a movie. Never actually intending to take her to see a movie or eat anything herself. Which is an accurate portrayal of an addict. She was just looking for an excuse to go to Rack.
Tara on the other hand, having moved out, has absolutely no responsibility to Dawn whatsoever: and she still chooses to spend time with her and actually do what she says she’ll do with her. Massive striking differences.
Willow, as a resident of the Summers house, actually has a responsibility to look after Dawn. Technically to be her surrogate mother while Buffy is absent. And she couldn’t care less to be. Tara is the surrogate mother.
Very nice reaction, Elie! The other human on human deaths I can think of: A) Giles killing Ben, B) Faith killing the Deputy Mayor C) Faith killing the volcanologist, and D) the swim coach killing the nurse who was going to reveal their actions to the cops.
As far as Buffy, she doesn’t love Spike. That’s what killing her. She’s using him to try to feel something human, anything. She knows he is still evil (i.e. a vampire without a soul) although the chip has neutered him to a degree and he has done some good things for her, especially regarding Dawn. Their sick dysfunctional relationship is absolutely tearing her up inside.
What about the knights in S5, where one "euthanised" the brain sucked knight. Also didn't Buffy kill atleast 1 knight at the caravan runaway fight... 👀
@@ebabilg Yeah, she totally killed that dude on top the rv with that axe throw!
Spoilers…
There’s a human-to-human murder later in this season that’s especially brutal and shocking and it occurs because of another unintentional human-to-human murder.
There’s a quite a few human-to-human murders in Season 6 and 7. Which only illustrates just how much more adult the UPN seasons are compared to the WB seasons.
Especially when many of them occur by the quote-on-quote “good guys” and the lines between what is a villain or a hero get blurred.
Wow. Those comments at the end about the difference between Spike and Angel, Soul vs chip or how evil they were or are and what actually drives them. I think these are the things that this show has implanted, almost subconsciously, in our minds that make us love it so much. Such deep life issues and true root causes and emotions we don't even realize until we are shown it. Like looking into a mirror and seeing who we really are and what drives each of us to be who or what we are..
Buffy doesn't love Spike, she's using him for sex, which lets her escape her depression for a bit. It's pretty clear at the end of the episode that Buffy is deeply upset about what she's doing with Spike - that's not love.
31:49 very fitting that she is talking to Tara about wanting there to be something wrong with her, not understanding how she is feeling. Since Tara was the one who told her in "the body" that "there were things, thoughts that i was somehow responsible, thoughts i couldnt explain."Edit, and offered Buffy if she ever needed to talk about it. Buffy has now gone so deep in her depresison that she is talking to Tara about it.
Not to mention Tara probably most likely relates to her with her self-contempt thinking she was also “wrong” or “evil” all throughout her life when it was nothing but a cruel abusive trick being played on her.
Definitely very fitting Tara is the confidant.
The parallels are very clever.
This is why ‘BtVS’ is a character-driven show over plot-driven. And is very good at it.
Remember that time (doppelgänger episode) that Angel nearly corrected Giles (I think it was him) about how they were as a human has no bearing on how a vampire behaves? Angel wasn’t a murderer or anything as a human but he “enjoyed” life to the extreme.
Yeah. Angel was a hedonist while Spike was timid and poetic. Druisilla was, at the time of her turning, insane but deeply moral. Harmony is in interesting case, as she gains more depth as a vampire, and as almost good. I wish there was more scholarly examination of her.
In a lot of ways thigh though, it seems as though the more moral a vampire was before turning, the more evil they will be after. Spike has a lot of redeeming traits that don't require a soul. We'll see the inverse in the next season with a different character.
Fun fact: Emma Caulfield Ford (Anya) was in Wandavision.
My boy Elie's always so fair with respect to Dawn's perspective. Empathy 100
You said that Anya and Xander reminds you of wanda vision, fun fact Emma Caulfield (anya) was in wandavision, dk if you already noticed that, but she was Dottie
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When Buffy confronted Faith about killing the deputy mayor Faith responded by saying, "Anyway, how many people do you think we've saved by now? Thousands? And didn't you stop the world from ending? Because in my book, that puts you and me in the plus column." When Buffy goes to turn herself in Spike tells her "And how many people are alive because of you? How many have you saved? One dead girl doesn't tip the scale." Buffy didn't buy that argument with Faith, and now again with Spike. Buffy's morals are very high, and again she is accepting responsibility after she thought she killed a human, just like in episode "Ted".
She killed that knight on the RV and didn't see to care he was a human
@@meggo329 They were attacking. Self-defense
@@meggo329 and she locked ford in with hungry vanpires
Faith killed the Mayor's assistant
Really great and audacious episode, Buffy tells Tara why she did these things with Spike. Warren become not just an immature nerd anymore, he is heartless and dangerous. This episode is so different about the tone and the show was but the plot to make believe Buffy was the guilty was genius and well done. Dark but interesting to see how characters act and their reasons. Buffy did that just to feel something then her back after death.
At one point there is conversation in Buffy where Buffy says the person that was is gone and a deamon takes over it's not the same person that you knew and angel pipes in well actually. As to say well the human past of you is still in there but he quickly shuts up because them people would judge him.
That's crazy fortunate of you to be so close to all your old and new friends. ❤I envy you all immensely.
Definitely the darkest episode of BtVS I have seen. Before I had officially started watching the series, I had seen a few random ones here and there, and Dead Things was one of them, I remember thinking, wow, I didn't know this show was this dark! And you are correct Elie, this is the ep where the nerds storyline takes a turn(mainly Warren) He is so disgusting and misogynistic, worse than any demon or vampire on this series. Glad that the writers had Katrina said what she to them before she got killed.
14:20 one of the only other times I can think of a human killing a human in Buffy on screen (with them not having any magical powers so not Faith) 1 is the team coach in the season 2 episode "Go Fish", when he feed the nurse to to fish demon things. 2 in "I, Robot... You, Jane" when one of the demons followers didn't kill Buffy one of the others killed him. some other off screen ones are 1 Ted killed his wife before he was a robot. 2/3 the cowboy Vampires and the Vampire from "Helpless" (where Buffy was tested without her powers) killed people before becoming vampires.
Buffy locked Ford in with hungry vampires.
@@roseclarity1493 I think of that more as failing to save someone, but I guess that could count.
@@danielbutler8103 um so she failed to not lock the door? No she did something that she knew would result in the death of someone. If she'd intentionally pushed someone into an alligator pit would you say it was the alligators and not her responsible?
Nope Buffy got a pass for that then insisted faith needed to turn herself into the human police for an accidental staking of a human when even the watchers say that isn't the protocol for the slayer accidentally killing someone.
“Doublemeat Palace” is ho-hum, but it’s a stylistically odd, off-putting episode, somewhat like “Bad Eggs”. I have a slight affection for both and don’t think either is one of the few weakest episode.
Omgosh, JAW is a great name for the Trio. So much better than just the ‘Trio’.
34:05 My take on it is that at first glance, this is a world of black and white: good vs evil, humans vs demons. But we eventually see that humans are capable of horrific behavior, and some demons are capable of compassionate, loving behavior (Anya, Clem, Spike to an extent). A mystical character in a later season describes the biggest bad as "pure demon," indicating that there's probably a mixture of light and dark with other demons, as we've seen, whereas pure demons are just all-bad. What makes Spike so dynamic and a real contender for Buffy's heart (and why he is so drawn to Buffy's goodness) is the unique lightness in Spike's personal brand of demon. Spike's lighter side, even as a demon without a soul, also sets him apart from Angel without a soul. Spike without a soul, despite being unfit for Buffy, showed a greater degree of compassion, support, and care than Angel without a soul ever came close to. Neither Spike nor Angel without a soul deserve Buffy, and they are great allegories for different types of abusive partners we might encounter in real life. Angel without a soul might be compared to an irredeemable psychopath delighting in harming all those around him. Spike without a soul tackles the question of redemption from a more human perspective that we can all relate to (similar to Willow's arc); he just lives it out in a more exaggerated context. Buffy began her relationship with him at the perfect time, when she needed to learn how to express her anger in non-violent ways. The show isn't always great at separating violence from love or basic emotional expression, and I'm not sure the superhero context is enough of an excuse, but I appreciate the character arcs and tough subjects they tackle.
I think we can see the way Buffy is now with Spike is that her sex addiction to him is reaching critical levels. Even though she needs him to fulfil her desires we know that deep down she knows this to be wrong, even though we see a soulless Spike seem to have genuine feelings at this stage. Buffy of course can confide in Tara, as she is still very much a periphery character in the group, and Buffy feels she can trust her without the others knowing. The Trio from being somewhat slapstick in earlier episodes are now becoming very sinister indeed, or rather Warren who is totally dominating the other two. Warren meeting Katrina again and treating her like this is terrible, this is actual sexual abuse (mirroring Rohypnol spiking), and the other two just seem to go along with it, as they a puerile idiots. When Warren murders Katrina, we can really see how totally evil he has become. BTW Elie, as you asked regarding 'Human on Human' deaths Faith killed The Professor in cold blood in S3, after killing the Deputy Mayor as well. The part back in The Bronze with Spike and Buffy is so telling, as she cannot resist the temptation from Spike, and he is questioning whether she really belongs with The Scoobies, again since switching Networks we can really see the adult tone of the show now. The devious plot by The Trio to frame Buffy for Katrina's murder spectacularly backfires thanks really to Spike begging Buffy to not go in, and I think is to so uncomfortable to watch Buffy beat Spike outside the Police Station after he tells her he loves her ' he says to her you always hurt the one you love'. When Buffy hears Katrina's name she realises the truth. A powerful ending when she opens up to Tara, saying 'why do I let him do these things to me' Buffy seems to be painting herself as a victim here, which in a way she is, but she is very much a willing partner unable to control her sexual urges. A terrific episode a 100% improvement on the preceding episode.
Faith killed a couple humans (mayor's assistant and that professor) and we've had a bunch of people who did magical stuff that lead to people dying (like the guy from the zoo that caused the hyena possession or Xander summoning the singing demon). Giles killed Ben.
Buffy locked ford in with hungry vampires.
17:18 in my opinion, it is hard to really grasp all of the traumatic events that Buffy has gone through. Its easy for us and all of her friends to forget about this as they and we are fine and it didnt happen to us. Its hard to understand when someone is not fine, when you are fine yourself.
The movie inside out explains this perfectly with Joys realization that saddness is sometimes necessary to be able to be happy.
With that said, Buffy still thinks about her mom every day, about the future lost. About losing heaven, most recently about losing Giles in a way and so much more. We dont see that so we dont think about it and how it affects a person.
Its my opinion from personal experiences of having watched Buffy as a kid and maybe not, to later when I was 23 and the episode the body re-aired on the same day i found out my mom died and from the absolut trauma to the darth vader kind of person i have become after my dad died when i was 28.
But its also based on the fact that the episode the body was inspired by the death of Joss Whedons mom when he was 28. I can tell that he has experienced this dance with dark side aswell.
Growing up watching this season I hated it because I was young and never understood it but I can honestly say now I appreciate this season more because I’ve experienced addiction, depression and toxic relationships.
As a Blockhead I am legally obligated to point out that Buffy name dropped New Kids On the Block. But, why? So, I noticed one of the casting people is named Amy McIntyre Britt. Then my BH brain remembers Joe McIntyre (youngest New Kid) has an older sister named Amy. And Amy wanted to be an actress. But I never heard through the BH grapevine of Amy having any acting jobs we all just HAD to support. So, what if Amy went into casting? And this is a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge to acknowledge Buffy's NKOTB connection?
Can we agree that the Lethe’s Bramble spell used in ‘All The Way’ is the magical spell equivalent of the Cerebral Dampener technological equipment used in ‘Dead Things’? They’re both intended for mind control after all. True, the spell is only used for making someone forget important information and the Cerebral Dampener is used to make someone a willing sex slave. But the intended use of them is practically the same thing. To extract someone of their autonomy. From their capability and capacity to make full informed choices and give full consent to whatever is happening to them at any moment. Technology VS Magic is at play once again and both are used in Season 6 to do insanely questionable and abusive things. The division between antagonism/villainy and protagonism/heroism is no longer clear.
5:35 Most shocking murder since the Red Wedding!
I'm a bit older than you and if life so far has taught me something, it's that the friends you make when you are young that stick with you, it's very rare to find the same when you grow up. So cherish them because they're likely the ones to be there for you. Adults are selfish, jealous and manipulative a lot of the time so you gotta look over your shoulder always.
You can see why the buffyfandom argues about spike and angel. For the record team Spike or more accurately team spuffy.
Warren makes my skin crawl 🤮
Also when i want to rewatch buffy but kinda quickly i always come to your videos! I love your takes & we usually have the same opinions.
Idk why everyone is so much harder on Spike than Angel. He doesn’t deserve it in my opinion. In all honesty he is a better person as a man & vampire even 🤷♀️
An interesting contrast of Spike's character in this episode; first, we have the post-coital scene where they are just talking which shows that unlike many vampires/ demons we see he is capable of real emotions and feeling, but then we have the darker Bronze scene and "I took care of it" showing that it's still not real love (ie if he had a soul) - get what you mean by Faith energy, but I think it's more projection oh her issues. Anyway, yeah the Trio are just super creepy in this one although you do start seeing that division of mindsets and values with Jonothan's look at the end and the final Buffy-Tara scene is just beautiful, imo one of the most emotionally powerful from the entire show. Dawn really struggling with some abandonment issues here too, like that coming to a head in the next episode...
Godspeed with your studies Elie... thanks for any reviews you have time for!
Human on Human deaths I can think of six before this atm. Faith killed 3 in season 3. Buffy killed one of the knights in season 5 with an axe to the chest, unlikely he survived that. As well as Giles killing Ben. There likely is more before this episode that I am blanking on.
Spike is my favorite ! Vampir ever, I totally get your point, but it's a big difference for Buffy. And she doesn't love him, but he's a friend and a really good fuck. I think it'd supposed to be an abusive relationship, the thing between spike and bug, but it seems sometimes better than that. Once you're done with the show, I recommend the comic book. Spike is in that, too.
I'm with you on the Dawn situation. There are times she annoys me, but I'm 100% on her side here. After everything Dawn has been through, Buffy is going to go turn herself in for murder and leave Dawn basically all alone? I'd be angry too. I get that Buffy is the hero and has this hard-core, iron-clad morality. I get why Buffy believes she has to do "the right thing" here. But being there for Dawn is way more important than owning up to a mistake!
Off the top of my head, just running through the episodes
Faith killed a few people.
James killed Grace and then himself in 1955
Dr. Ronald Meltzer was human that gained powers, killed a cop
Ms. Pearson kills her son Dennis
Buffy kills a few Knights of Byzantium
Ryan may have killed a family friend in Akron, Ohio
Vanessa Brewer was a human assassin for Wolfram & Hart
Bethany squishes two would be attackers with a dumpster
Lindsey mercy kills a bunch of people that Wolfram & Hart were using for body parts
Buffy locked ford in with hungry vampires
About Spike and Angel, I guess everything has arleady been said (the chip, the soul, William vs Liam, etc.) But there's one more thing imo that must be taken into account: despite being a powerful slayer, Buffy is just a girl in her early twenties with little experience in love matters. After all, she has had only two important relatioships until now, of the kind 'and they lived happily ever after' (well, sort of...! lol) With Spike things are completely different: feeling disconnected after resurrection, she thinks she's come out 'wrong'. She feels oblidged to justify her actions to herself and to her friends, while she should just live Spuffy for what it is. It's sex (no feelings involved??) but that's life sometimes, things often are not just black or white. It's not highschool, it's not college anymore. That's adult life. Welcome to S6!
It's not that Buffy wants to be told sleeping with Spike is wrong. She knows that. Its that her depression isn't allowing her to feel anything but sadness and a loss of interest in life, so she has been using Spike to make herself feel good. This is common among people with depression and when the moment said using of Spike is over aka she has orgasmed, the sadness and loss of interest in life is still there, so she continues to use him while hating herself for it, not knowing that hating herself means she is healing because if she didn't hate herself she would just continue to have no interest in her life and feeling sad. Hating herself is an odd conundrum of positivity in this case, in terms of moving forward and she doesn't even realize it. Tara does realize it, though, and that is why she is so sincere about what she says to Buffy. Xander making her feel bad and yelling at her about it would make her feel like he is correct in the negativity he would definitely be throwing at her, so she should continue using Spike if he spoke to her upon finding out. It's good that Tara is the one talking to Buffy at the episode's end. That's my opinion anyway. If anyone else has an opinion that is great, but don't flame me for mine please.
She has the right to admit it is wrong because it is not her usually, she did it just to feel something and admitted she used him to feel but can't go on because it is not the right thing for her.
@@alooncnej4696 I never said she didn't have that right. I was referencing what she was feeling and doing because I didn't believe Buffy wants to be told sleeping with Spike is wrong as was suggested at the end of the reaction be Elie. She knows its wrong.
@@Buffy8Fan sorry I didn't understand it is right, Tara was the best person Buffy can talked, no judgment and understanding that the others can't have.
I think Tara is definitely still one of the scoobs. They ask her to babysit sometimes and still hang out with her.
Makes you wonder why Buffy didn’t ask Willow for help. She would have found out it was warren all this time. What’s also confusing me is didn’t Buffy see Trina’s face?
Spike whitout a soul is no particularly less evil than Angelus. They are just as evil, but in very different ways. Spike, while alive, was enfatuated and obsessed with loving a woman and then as a vampire he was that but even more corrupted. First with Drusila, then he found Harmony to abuse, and then he became obsessed with buffy. Spike is the idea of love being corrupted. He never loved Dru, Harmony, nor Buffy because he was unable to love. His obsession with buffy and having a ship led to him convincing himself he could be good but always because he wanted to so stuff for buffy. We never see him being good on his own. He knows buffy is punishing herself through him and he feeds her self hate. Is insane for me that to this day there are people who "ship" them together, but then I remember there are like 4 very popular vampire movies about abusive vampires taking advantage of human girls and how much people loved that and all makes sense.
I think season six shows the weird thing when you get in your twenties where you still haven't discovered yourself and you are lost and adrift and even sometimes have sex with people you don't even like.
Background: SMG disliked the dark direction of Buffy's character in season 6 and especially in this episode. I see her point and think she is irreplaceable as Buffy, but I disagree with her on this one point. Loved this episode! Personally consider it a top 10 of the series.
On the TV Tropes page, there is a listing for "moral event horizon" and the trio's turn in this episode should be the top of page example of this trope! They went from bumbling comic relief villains to a sobering reminder of the evil we inflict on one another in this world.
Also loved Buffy's character development here. It's so refreshing to see a hero's journey where the conflict is almost entirely internal as it is with Buffy here.
I love Sarah as an actress but she has sometimes bad tastes, we can see then some of her choices in her career then the show. Whedon did the right thing to insist with her character's direction this season. It is dark yes but well written, Buffy can't be the same then her death, and the way to feel and be good is long. And the fact that she is considered for the one who murdered Katrina was well done. And she can be more free then speak to Tara. The writting this season can be controversial but well done and concluded at the end of the season.
@@alooncnej4696 I don't particularly disagree with her opinions on her character's turn, but have to agree with you Buffy had to be this way to serve the plot this season, and if anything it's worth it for that. She could have been written clearer, though, as some of her actions (like her conversation with Tara in this episode) are hard to understand. It's like there's something the writers wanted to say, but they didn't quite manage it, so people get it in different ways.
@@alicequinn505 no it is wrong, the conversation with Tara explains well Buffy 's actions and it is mention too later in the season.
Faith killed a human. And Warren is the worst of the worst. I hate him so much.
Buffy locked ford in with hungry vampires
There difference being that she fell in love work angel. Of course i always found Holm annoying, f found Holm interesting as angelis and always liked Spike better, i might not be the next lank of bias if nothing else, sl Spike is a lot funnier, that counts for a lot with me.
Faith killed humans
I think lose the S. JAW is better. Like Hydra.
34:30 Lmfaoo no
Posting my BUFFY REWATCH recap for ‘Dead Things’. May contain spoilers:
So the main story and premise to this episode, as the name ‘Dead Things’ suggests, is about the murder of Warren’s ex, Katrina, who Warren attempted to rape while she was under the influence of the magic-infused Cerebral Dampener that The Trio created together and then bashed in the head when the effects of the spell on the Dampener wore off and she tried to defend herself and run away from him. The situation escalating the way it did has Warren, Jonathan and Andrew stage a murder scene in effort to frame Buffy for the murder of Katrina. All the times we’ve seen The Trio thus far in Season 6, it was obvious that they were no match for The Slayer and her Scoobies. They were just silly little boys playing with silly little toys that, initially, I thought it was insulting that they set them up as this season’s Big Bad. But then was pleased to find out that they were just the clever misdirect for it. But their nerdy ineptness in being evil changes in this episode as they do actually do something that is evil. They commit sexual battery. Well, it’s Warren that actually sexually assaults and then kills Katrina but Jonathan and Andrew are complicit in the crime. Both with methodically planning and executing the capturing of Katrina and the framing of Katrina’s murder on Buffy. That is a compelling storyline on it’s own which I will discuss at some point. The thought that Buffy may be guilty of murder is something I definitely want to write about and analyze eventually because the morality of the theme of offensive violence, and specifically killing someone in cold blood, has always been a cycling theme for me given it so frequently pops up in ‘Xena: Warrior Princess’. But for this recap I want to focus on other narratives going on in the episode. I especially would like to focus on the character Tara Maclay because she has something interesting to do.
Continuing the narrative started in ‘Smashed’ with Spike realizing that he can now hit Buffy again, Buffy goes to Tara for help in figuring out why and how he can suddenly do this by asking her to do a check over on the resurrection spell that brought her back to life - believing Spike that it’s because she’s come back wrong why he can suddenly hit her without the chip shocking him. The reason why she goes to Tara is because she is unable to tell her best friends about it and therefore can’t ask Willow to check the spell instead. Later Tara meets with Buffy at her house to tell her the results of her check over. She tells her that she hasn’t come back wrong and that nothing is wrong with her but Buffy refuses to believe her and tells her that she must have missed something in the checking because if she was completely normal, she wouldn’t let Spike “do those things” to her. Tara assumes Buffy just means hitting her but when Buffy doesn’t answer her she intuitively picks up on why she’s so distressed about it. She’s having an affair with him. Realizing Tara’s worked it out, Buffy begs her not to say anything to anyone and Tara promises that she won’t. From this point up until ‘Entropy’, the secret is between Buffy, Spike and Tara. No one else knows about either the mutual physical violence or the sexual activity going on between Buffy and Spike. And Tara does keep her promise to Buffy until her and Willow get back together again and Willow expresses to her that she worries something might be going on between Spike and Buffy, noticing the hurt expression on Buffy’s face when watching Spike and Anya go at it on the Trios spy video camera feed to the Magic Box.
What’s interesting to me about the storyline with Buffy and Tara is how Tara has essentially become the voice of reason for Buffy in Giles’ absence as she only ever offers her support and understanding to her. Calmly and rationally explaining to her that she’s not wrong for having sex with Spike. It’s a complicated situation and she’s going through a lot of hardship. And while this isn’t out of character for Tara, (I mean she does give non-stop empathy to everyone she interacts with), I still find it quite surprising that she doesn’t outwardly present any disappointment or judgement given her reaction to the news in Season 5’s ‘Intervention’ when the Gang believed Buffy was having sex with Spike then before discovering Warren built a sex bot for him. There it was Willow who was the understanding one and Tara asks her if she’s kidding and emphatically states that Buffy is “nuts” for it. Perhaps she is actually disappointed but given how upset Buffy is over it and how guilty she feels about it, she does her best not to showcase any objectification whatsoever. I just find it so interesting how the viewpoints of Willow and Tara on this switch over between Season 5 and Season 6. But I think the writers intentionally do this to illustrate just how much Tara has grown as a character in Season 6, and specifically while separated from Willow. I think this is the first time, I want to say since ‘Family’, that we get a narrative with Tara that’s neither about her and Willow and nor her being adjacent to Willow. What it shows me is that Tara is an even better person than she already was with Willow now she has found her own stride while being away from her. So much of Tara’s life since she met Willow revolved around Willow and their relationship, which as a shipper of them, is great. But it was also incredibly frustrating for me to see that she basically had no individuality. I really wanted to know who the hell this woman was on her own. Both outside of her dynamic with Willow and significance to Willow. Don’t get me wrong. I love Willow and all that Tara does for and with Willow. But I just wished the creators of ‘BtVS’ would have shown us who Tara was without her as well. That’s a huge part of the reason why Xena and Gabrielle mean so much to me. They both had lots of individual focus. Hell, the relationship wouldn’t have even evolved anywhere near where it does without their individual storylines having equal screen time. True, in that show both characters were main characters, which meant they’d have to have equal screen time. But I guess that’s a negative for me when it comes to my enjoyment out of ‘BtVS’ compared to ‘XWP’. Tara wasn’t a main character. Amber Benson wasn’t even credited as a season regular even though she had about the same amount of screen time as Seth Green did, who did get season regular credit. Tara Maclay is the most abused and wasted character in all of the Buffyverse to me. She’s so under-appreciated and neglected as an individual character. But least she got to do something interesting on her own before they shot her to once again aid in propelling Willow’s arc.
16:09 I remember the jacket willow is wearing here. Thats all.
I actually hate this episode. I also literally hate the narrative that Spike 'loves' Buffy. It's like noone cares he's still a soulless monster capable of killing two slayers. That somehow 'love' is stalking, stealing underwear, abusing a sex bot and tying someone up forcing her to 'love' him. So stupid. If he actually loved Buffy he would have found a way to be a better man for her, instead of forcing her into degrading sex in the middle of a club while telling her to look at her friends, or even in back alley/ dumpster in doublemeat.
My biggest gripe is that despite this, especially back then, hardly anyone had any sympathy for Buffy's depression or showed any concern that Spike was leading her down a path of destruction and unhealthy sex that can never be taken back. Instead people felt sorry for Spike for being used by her. He literally has no soul and is still a killer.
Also the sex scenes between them are actually so cringey. It's a shame Sarah Michelle Geller hated the balcony scene yet they still made her film it over and over, she felt the storyline betrayed Buffy's character and I agree. As someone whose been though depression and been at the lowest I don't buy all this degrading S&M shit was the only way to make her 'feel' again. She cut off her hair and clearly here tells Tara to tell her she came back wrong as she's disgusted with herself and clearly making her worse so the relationship should have ended sooner. But no people still ship them.
Forcing her? Buffy is stronger than Spike and could have put a stop to it at anytime. She chose not to. I have no sympathy for soulless demons, but everything that Buffy has so far done with Spike was completely consensual on her part. This whole season is about taking adult responsibility. Let's not rob that from Buffy by talking about her as if she's a helpless damsel. Depression doesn't mean you are absolved of any responsibility for your actions. Also, "abusing" the robot? You can't "abuse" lifeless property.
@@davidmeadows5627 It's abuse when its an exact replica of a person who clearly is not interested and hasn't consented. Also, and it's a theme in both Buffy and Angel that Joss makes his most powerful woman suddenly become submissive when it involves sex. Lilah being the obvious one. If the writing wasn't so shit in season 6 then yes Buffy would have ended it sooner. And can you really say Spike grinding against her cajoling her into anal on a public balcony was completely consensual? Her head was all over the place and this person that 'loved' her was her only 'guiding light' in S6.
it also makes a mockery of the fact that buffy kills vampires, cos realistically they could all have this inert 'love' that just needs brought out of them. Although in Joss land love, and sex dreams and infatuation, seem to mean the same thing.
Buffy never loved Spike.Her true Love will always the Angel which is why her relationship with Riley didn't work out. Same thing she's not in love with Spike he tried killing her so many times, he tried killing her friends so many times since his appearance in season 2. So to fall in love with something like that makes no sense. It never made sense. Plus Spike was in love with Dru
I never liked the pairing. Never will. Spike is like a dog with a collar on a leash you remove that collar and the leash the dog would run wild and that's Spike with the chip.
He was obsessed with Buffy even stalked her stealing photos and clothing from her how anyone could be okay with that needs to reevaluate themselves. It's not cute at all and that should never ever be ok. It's why I disliked this season
I had an issue with a guy when I was living in New York City, The Bronx. I didn't know he liked me in that way. He was straight he also has a girlfriend. As time went on I didn't realize it got worse until he got drunk and high on coke and it got violent. I was scared to death. Because of the incident I stood single for 3 years.
That's why I disliked this season. It's extremely dangerous and TV shows or movies like fifty shades of Gray pushing that agenda isn't a good idea.
Completely agree. I get Buffy is depressed but continually sleeping with a soulless killer, who stalked her constantly, stole her underwear and tried forcing his 'love' on her so many times, isn't cute wasn't funny or even acceptable to still let Buffy near. Nevermind the fact he killed two of her own slayer lineage, and tried to kill her best friends.
The scene in the bronze is where I finally think I decided this was no longer my favourite TV show, well that's a lie even from their first kiss I thought the show jumped the shark.
Oh, well. Season 6 is one of my favorite seasons. 🤷🏾♂️