@@kellogsfrostee6075 WooJin (TBH me) doesn't suit the musical style of SKZ (SKZ have more darker & stronger type of music) while he had more mellow & softer type of vocal quality & although I liked them as 9, I preferred them 8 because their creative differences was so huge & WooJin's voice would clashed in SKZ's music if he still remained. He was better as a soloist...
Its so hard for me to listen to any of the mixtape songs without his voice idk why especially spread my wings it just doesn't sound right maybe its because of the survival show
i never really thought that woojin’s voice suited skz and i think that the group sounds way more cohesive as a unit now. i don’t hate him or anything but i definitely think that the energy in skz and the path their music is going down has improved a lot.
I totally agree. I can see why Woojin was a former SM trainee because he sounds like SM singers. But at the same time it doesn't really fit in with the other's vocal styles, and quite frankly I've always thought Seugmin was their best singer, not Woojin.
@@getuliocesar6275 same. like, i love han's voice so much as well as seungmin's, but people can't just pretend that woojin doesn't have the best singing when it comes to technique and like accuracy
@@melatonin12 I mean I'm not saying he was good enough to be an SM idol, he left/got kicked out after all. But he does have the style of voice that SM goes for.
Man I just don't remember people hating woojin's voice this much when he was in the group It's sad he is quite talented but people let their hate overshadow their judgement Then again it is your opinion so..
I remember I got attacked for not agreeing with stays when they said he was a “terrible vocalist anyway” LOL... but kpop fans are known to be delusional I should have known better haha
to be fair, if anyone were to voice out something like 'woojin's voice doesn't fit skz' back then, they would've been jumped for it. fans would defend anything. but in any case - i have seen multiple stays still mention back in those days that woojin's vocals weren't being fully taken advantage of within stray kids' sound. this is especially apparent in their discography in 2019, right before woojin left. with the 'i am' series, there were still a few songs where he got to shine in pretty well like 'voices' and 'i am you', but that really wasn't the case with anything from the 'clé' series. note that this criticism wasn't said in a "he shouldn't have debuted at all" kind of way, it was more-so "hopefully newer songs will have a different approach". he's not a bad vocalist at all, objectively he was the best out of all of stray kids, but his voice is too soft and muddy for stray kids' instrumentals, it often sounds like the instrumental is overpowering and drowning him out. idk if it's because of poor mixing or 3racha not getting a proper handle on voice direction yet at that point, but the unfortunate result was that it just sounded kind of fuzzy whenever woojin sang. e.g compare the high-note adlibs in the final chorus of 'spread my wings', han's voice is much clearer. or chronosaurus which is a much more evident case, all the members sound better singing his parts because their voices + enunciation are clear and distinct.
I don't think it's ever a question of which sounds better, but of which you personally prefer. Obviously they originally planned it for him, so it sounded great; then they had to rearrange it, so it also sounds great, but without him. I don't think we need to fight about it. For me personally, I think his voice is beautiful, but I don't have an emotional connection I have to the other members. Therefore, I like hearing more of those voices that I know as Stray Kids, instead of That Guy Who Was There Once Apparently. (Ngl, I'm especially happy to hear more vocal opportunities for my boy, Mr Could Be Main Vocal As Well As Main Everything Else Han Jisung, who does them stunningly). But, if you actually stanned them throughout, or fell in love with these songs - and the group - as they originally were, of course you'll love the original versions, and OT8 ones will feel off and/or lacking something to you. And, naturally, you might simply prefer the way a specific member did a specific line for no reason other than you just like it. Do Stray Kids need Woojin to absolutely slay in every way? Of course they don't. Did they lose a quality of value when they lost Woojin? Of course they did. OT9 is a different group than OT8. But him leaving wasn't the only thing that has changed and, arguably, not even the biggest change (which I would say is how they grew up and continue to grow as people and artists).
Actually one part is wrong. In Voices 5:43 - Chan confirmed (Chans Room Ep 37) ((before Woojin departure)) that leeknow is the one singing the high note of "Ah" in his falsetto voice
I think woojin really suits mature songs more because his voice sounds sooo like mature idk how to put it LOL his style is kind of like Jungkook with americanized vibes. He's the best at riffs and runs dude's a beast at it. His accent sounds so fluent when he sings english which is definitely on the more pop size and not rock/experimental like skz. He was the best singer among them but his voice didn't suit the straykids style or kpopy songs in general.
Since they debuted with 9 members, I think it's unnecessary to re-record their debut songs just to cut out the parts of someone who fought as hard as they did to debut in the group.
i personally don’t think his voice fit well with the other members. his voice is very mature and he knows exactly where to place his voice unlike the other members who’s technique wasn’t as advanced and they still have their boyish tone so they sound so much younger. it’s no insult to woojin but i do think maybe skz held him back as a vocalist and in turn he sounds out of play in some songs, he’s a very safe vocalist too which doesn’t rlly fit skz style
@@seelesims WooJin seems like a member of Day6 (Or a SM idol) rather than SKZ's member because of his very younger tone & beautiful vocal style as an individual (which doesn't suit the darker & stronger style of SKZ's music) but I'm happy that he found himself (even as a soloist) and even as a soloist, he had still the full support of all STAYs
FINALLY a video that said it’s Changbin doing the first part!!! 11:43 I’ve always heard him but people said “listen to the second part, it’s definitely Han” yes the SECOND part is Han but the FIRST it’s Changbin!
I don't even think the second part is Han, I think that entire bit is sung by Changbin. He can sometimes sound a bit similar to Han, and also the very next section starts off with Han so it doesn't really make sense to break up the lines so much and have Han both end one section and start the next. I will die on this hill, it's completely Changbin and he sounds so wonderful.
@@rosethorn0232 nah the 2nd bit is definitely Han, however i can hear a bit of Han in the 1st bit aswell actually but im still leaning more towards Changbin singing the 1st part
Yes they don’t exist but for those who like Woojin singing with the other 8 then for those songs it’s OT9 if others like the re recorded songs without Woojin then yes it’s OT8. I prefer hearing the OT9 versions of these songs just as others prefer the OT8 versions. 😊
Sorry if this is 5 whole months late but i do agree with Katie Edsall Reamy here. I prefer the OT9 versions than the OT8 versions but i will still support OT8 and Woojin also i used to hate Woojin but now i like him and miss him 😢
That was really helpful for a babySTAY, thanks a lot! Also, love the end SKZoo scribble! I've been watching that Maniac Relay on loop 8 times just this morning to catch each member's background goofy stuff 😂 And that moment you paused on is for sure the climax of the song ❤❤
Both versions are great! I started being STAY 1 year ago or so since I didn't have the chance to see a comeback with Woojin. I hope Woojin is happy being a soloist. Seungmin and Woojin's voices are quite similar (in my opinion). I LOVE HAN'S VOICE
Well I'm a 2 months old babySTAY, so more used to OT8 versions. I've heard some of the OT9 vs OT8, Miroh being my fav SKZ song "ever"... until yesterday! (I don't like OT8 more or less than OT9 for Miroh, both versions make me vibe) Yesterday I discovered Chronosaurus, and my bias being Bang Chan because of his voice, I fell madly in love with this song, especially the bridge part of course. I first heard an OT8 live fanmeeting version that was a mess, so I went to check a clean one and could only find OT9. Well, I think Woojin's tone works wonders in this part of the song, with the 3 voice harmonization, it's really beautiful. Just my 2 cent as a non-Woojin-fan-because-I-fell-in-love-with-SKZ-in-OT8-form. (NB: I don't dislike or hate WJ at all, I just don't know him as well.as the other members, and am not emotionally attached to him).
I think the members now sound more the same if you know what i mean. Woojin sang a little higher and I think the voices now come better together. But I miss woojin in mirror because that song fits his high vocals, but that's the only song I listen to where they were ot9. All the others songs that where he was became ot8 in my playlist.
In my opinion. Both versions sound amazing. I am addicted to their voices. The only thing sad is the reason behind the second OT8 version. Even as a 2022 Stay, I miss OT9. But, I am happy with OT8 and Woojin as a soloist.
i do need to establish tho, i see some people in this comment section say they are ot9.. but how can you be ot9 when woojin is no longer a member? you are a cub and ot8. ot9 no longer exists. support woobear all you want but he isnt a member anymore so you arent ot9.
Your comment makes no sense, some EXO-Ls are still OT12 even though there's currently 8 members active and one of the members that left is in jail. There are still OT9 SONEs even though Jessica performing with SNSD is basically impossible. There are still fans of 5HINEE even though Jonghyun is no longer with us. FFS there are BIGBANG OT5 fans even though Seungri is in fucking jail. I get your point that we should support them separately by now but that doesn't mean that the fans who were there from the beginning and liked SKZ as 9 should just fuck off because Woojin is no longer with SKZ.
@@gtblade2806 thats different? those group members still assosiate with each other in contrast to skz who wanted to cut off all the ties to him. They even re-recorded their whole discography to put it in the past. Don’t compare the situation with a passing.
@@ririhihi lol SNSD's stance has basically been “who tf is Jessica? We've been basically 8 since the beginning” since 2014. EXO has never once mentioned the three chinese members since they left. T.O.P basically said “fck Seungri, here have an OT4 pic” on IG. Jonghyun is the only one people still associate with SHINEE because what happened to him is a tragedy.
karena aq jadi STAY setelah Woojin keluar, dan rata2 lagu yg aq denger udh pada di rubah, jadi aq lebih menyukai lagu2 yg awal aq denger, bukan berarti aq gk suka Woojin, tapi 2020 udah ada SKZ2020, dan aq dengernya SKZ2020 dari awal ngestand, bahkan sebelum aq liat Survival Shownya
KW is an amazing vocalist but I think his vocal tone just never fully harmonized/complimented with SKZ’s genre. His voice often stood out like like a sore thumb? Not saying it’s a bad thing. I think his vocals def suite his current genre as a solo artist and I’m happy for him but I def prefer the re-recorded.
Some stays get offended when people say Woojin probably left because he felt left out and hated by their own fandom, but reading comments here saying "I never thought Woojin's voice suited skz" makes me sad... I bet these things were said even when he still was part of the group, I believe he wasn't fully appreciated. Anyway, Woojin shines best in his own music and Stray Kids are awesome as 8, I love stanning the group and the soloist 😊
It was definitely said while he was in the group, I remember writing a review for their debut and I mentioned it. He wasn't much appreciated because he does sounds the least energetic in every song - but it feels like it was a mixing issue? His live vocals can come out clearly but in songs it always felt like there was a barrier for his voice to travel through. And he always seemed to get parts a little out of his range, having to sing with his head voice when it didn't suit the part.
@@m11thebazile preferred him as a soloist TBH. It's not that he was outcast or fully appreciated but if he will debut in a JYP's boy groups, his voice will suited Day6 because his charm was more softer & his voice sounded more laid-back as supposed to SKZ's more darker & stronger type of music. He was not meant to be long as SKZ's member (Due to their very, very different styles)...
@@christianebretschneider5346 bro I've been into skz way before predebut and I'm giving out my own opinion about woojin's voice. Why so defensive? If you can't handle constructive criticism then that's not my fault anymore. Did I even say that woojin is inappropriate in the group? My comment is only one sentence but you are wilding in your reply like I k*lled woojin 🤣 And if you are not provoked why the long defensive reply? Again I'm stating my own opinion about his voice. Don't be butt hurt and don't even say that my opinion is criticizing chan's ability. Bfr "kim woojin would've stayed" now let's think about that in this time. Did he stay? No right?
Thank for making this;). It's been almost 2 months since I discovered Stray Kids and you can imagine how sad I was to see that Woojin was no longer in the group. I love all their voices, but his voice really stood out to me and I was puzzled as to why he wasn't featured as much, but now I know that he left, and I guess that's cool, as I am really loving his solo work🤩🤯! Any way it looks like I got a 2 for 1 when I discovered Stray Kids 😂🙏🏼! Now I 💓 Stray Kids and I 💓Woojin too 🥰!
personally for all of these I prefer the skz2020 vers I don't have anything against Woojin don't get me wrong, I wasn't there when he was still in the group so that probably explains why but I just like Stray Kids as 8 both in voices and as a group. I don't think his voice really suits the kind of songs they make or even made but that's just a personal opinion.
I hate that people discredit his vocals, he was amazing, I think the boys did great doing his parts, overall incredible, whatever their path was I’m supporting them as well as WJ, they are successful on their own and that’s what matters, stop being haters and calling him talentless.. because never was he that.
Even though I didn’t knew straykids when they were 9 I still loves Woojin’s voice and seeing people saying that Woojin’s voice never suit skz make me sad, his voice is really unique but I really think he suited skz, even for me it’s kinda hard to not listen to the ot8 version bc it’s like something is missing when he don’t sing. Anyway Stan skz and wj as a soloist
The Hellevator one bugs me, both lines were sang but Han in the recording but in the performance its Woojin who sings the high note. Did they do the recording without woojin in the predebut??
Also, I noticed at 8:59 that in the 2020 version Seungmin sings in falsetto in last high not, but Woojin doesn't in the original version, which I think sound better :/ (I'll always support OT8 ofc, but still)
I just listened to hellevator (in this video) multiple times and in both parts I hear HAN not Woojin or Lee Know…. I mean I hear the difference in literally ALL of them EXCEPT Hellevator…. Am I hearing wrong or…???
@@jasminvalladares5758 honestly i agree with you. but i went by the music video and performances. so in those parts he was singing and in the new performances of hellevator Han and Lee Know took the parts 🤷♀️
I don't know why, don't take offense of this, but his leaving the group was kinda reminded with how Jessica leaves the group (SNSD) but in a very different way😢😢
I think we need to give credit to Chan for having to go back and rework all those songs and getting them redone and they still sound good. I know it was a lot of work but it came out great. Chan really is the hardest working leader in K pop lol
@@Nat_0218I didn't discredit them but I know he does a lot of the actual arrangements. They all had to work hard for it of course. Praise of one isn't discredit to anyone else. If that were the case then everyone is discredited for everything.
@kitabootforever yes it does, because how do you know who does what? Why are you giving only one the credit for all 3 of their work? Your example doesn't make sense because everyone else in the world wasn't involved in making the songs.
It absolutely doesn't take away anything from what they do. Praising one isn't to the detriment of another. I simply stated my opinion and also I see the credits on the songs and look under arrangements and most songs say Bang Christopher Chan in that specific area. I like looking at the credits on Amazon music. They also have other people's names there but I didn't list them either. I just know going off what they say in interviews, Chan's Room, other lives and looking at the credits. Have a good day. I won't be responding again, respectfully.
@@kitabootforever It absolutely does when you presented as if he did everything himself. Trying to give him all of the credit for all of their work is discrediting. Erasing their contribution by acting as if his contribution is somehow more respectable or bigger. Chan akgeas always do this. Solo stans.
People here will be biased, as they may directly say that the SKZ 2020 sounds better just because they are still influenced by the drama surrounding Woojin's departure. woojin 's voice colour is really unique and i prefer the old versions! However, as someone who attended two SKZ concerts and a Woojin concer, I believe Woojin truly deserved more lines when he was in SKZ, especially when it comes to singing live without relying on pre-recorded tracks. same goes for Han, remains stable in both rapping and singing live even while dancing. His live performances sound almost identical to the recorded tracks, which is incredible.
at some points the woo version sounds better and at some points the woo-less version sounds better. woos voice is amazing, my boi always slays. in my personal opinion he sounds better in skz's bsides or the more chill skz songs.
we don’t know for sure. but one of the members left the group and so they re recorded them to have other members replace his lines. we know in other kpop groups people never do this so some people wonder if there’s another reason. but the official statement is that he left due to personal reasons.
because it's 2023 and these silly stays can't move on even after the guy was proven innocent by Seoul police departement and that these so called victimes were just some toxic stays
I'm not a fan of him and i don't hate him but skz2020 versions wins in my heart:) i can't like anything more then Seungmin's voice and i feel like he took his right when he sings the lines that were actually Woojins lines.. I don't know what I'm saying but yeah I think i like skz2020 more🤗
I remember watching the gone away teams howl in harmony where IN mentioned he thinks he's worked hard to have a voice that fits the team and I didnt really get the concept/hadnt really thought about how much of an issue groups might have with this, but it completely fits the way I feel about Woojins voice in their older songs. It has nothing to do with his talent or how good he sounds I dont think anyone can say anything negative about this at all, his voice just doesnt fit. The energy he puts into his words, the feelings they protray feel really lacking compared all the other members, it just feels like theyre at completely different levels. its so noticeable especially when Han Seungmin or Chan takeover his parts. My pace, District 9, even I am you are so much more impactful I feel and I cant listen to the originals without feeling like its missing something.
@@gtblade2806 Lee Know covered Woojin’s part in My Pace with Chan. Sorry it was so subtle I forgot about it 😭. And which part exactly in Grow Up are you talking about?
stray kids are one of the best K-pop groups in the world, But if woojin didn't leave the group,...he was going to be a milestone because of the strong vocals he have.
You're such a weirdo. You should be ashamed of creating narratives to suit your need to victimize them and vilify him. So you mean to tell me they watched him in their videos from district 9 to double knot and were laughing and smiling, but suddenly seeing levater era made them remember they hate him? You would rather forego logic than admit you're just a narcissistic bully. Have you considered that what happened TO Woojin is why they have a hard time watching levater era??? 🙄🙄🙄
i still think that woojin was the strongest vocalist out of everyone, it's a pity because the songs we could've had will never be realized. it's also the fist time i've heard a group so eagerly try to erase a past member's existance to the point of re-recording.
@@slowedmp3what copyright issues? none of those songs legally belongs to woojin. if using songs after members leave the group is such a hassle and needs adjustments, then why no other group rerecorded their discography? i’m not criticizing skz, they can do whatever they want with their music, but i think it’s more likely that re-recordings were their idea and not a necessity
i love stray kids but no one can sing woojin's parts as well as he does. his voice is just so unique and beautiful, it actually sounds like you're going to heaven. losing him as a member was definitely a loss for stray kids, i mean he wasn't the main vocalist for nothing. stray kids is lucky they are a rap based group and that woojin didn't have a lot of parts even though he was the main vocalist. i will never listen to the ot8 versions because the originals are by far better because of woojin and i don't understand why stays are downloading those versions without him. i understand why they had to re-record them but why would anyone willingly listen to them when we still have the ot9 versions? i feel like i should pay to listen to the original because woojin's voice is that good.
and i find his voice off-putting) and never will listen to ot9 version if don't have alternative)) saying that losing him was a loss is actually funny considering skz growth and success! and what about woojin? he kinda exists??? no-one exept cubs know him 😂
@@YaniTa00 um why are you hating on woojin now? i didn't say anything negative about stray kids. objectively woojin was their best vocalist and stray kids also thought so. chan literally picked him as the main vocalist. it's okay if you don't like woojin's voice. it's not understandable to me but it's subjective. of course it's a loss for them because woojin had a main position. there wouldn't have been any difference to their success if he stayed. like i said, they have a strong rap line and not many highnotes in their songs. that's not true, a lot of older kpop stans know woojin because he was in a big 3 group and unfortunately lots of new fans know him because of the hate he gets. we can have different opinions without hating on anybody.
@@zelwonnie exactly. He’s better suited as a soloist. I heard somewhere that he really didn’t want to be in a group. I still find it petty how they re recorded all the albums that had Woojin vocals on them. I saw a video a person put up of 2017 Young Wings side by side next to 2021 version. When it came to Woojin’s screen time she blacked it out. Reason because she still thinks he’s aweful even after the scandal was proven false. Some people are just petty 😢
@@KissMeStarlight i think they don't actually believe those things about him, but because they WANT to hate him they convince themselves he's this awful person when in reality he is a very sweet guy who hasn't done anything wrong. all he did was put himself first and left a group he wasn't happy in, it doesn't mean he hated the members and they were super close before he left. those people don't want to admit that they have hated on an innocent person and it's all because they didn't find him good-looking. it sounds horrible and it is, because who is that shallow? they only care about looks and don't like the other members for their talent or personality. they are into their looks and want to fantasize about them and woojin didn't fit that for a lot of people. and now they try and say they never liked his voice or that he didn't fit and i don't believe that one bit.
![Stray Kids eliminations [ENG SUB/FULL] if you wanna cry, this is your video](/img/1.gif)
Hellevator : 0:06
BEWARE (GRRR 총량의 법칙) : 0:33
Spread My Wings (어린 날개) : 0:54
YAYAYA : 2:06
District 9 : 2:44
Mirror : 3:12
Grow Up : 3:53
My Pace : 4:34
Voices : 5:05
Question : 6:17
M.I.A. : 6:52
Awkward Silence : 7:49
I Am You : 8:37
Get Cool : 9:22
MIROH : 10:14
Boxer : 10:36
Chronosaurus : 11:02
Victory Song : 12:12
19 : 12:36
Side Effects (부작용) : 13:12
TMT (별생각) : 13:43
Double Knot : 14:20
Hans voice is just so much more raw and emotional and I think it fits the concept a lot more.
han's bg adlibs at 1:44 are much much more powerful, his voice is SO good!!
I prefer the skz2020 ver bc the members improved vocally. I have nothing against woojin as most stays so hope he's doing fine solo now
They only changed the parts that woojin was in the rest is the same
@@kellogsfrostee6075 WooJin (TBH me) doesn't suit the musical style of SKZ (SKZ have more darker & stronger type of music) while he had more mellow & softer type of vocal quality & although I liked them as 9, I preferred them 8 because their creative differences was so huge & WooJin's voice would clashed in SKZ's music if he still remained. He was better as a soloist...
Its so hard for me to listen to any of the mixtape songs without his voice idk why especially spread my wings it just doesn't sound right maybe its because of the survival show
i never really thought that woojin’s voice suited skz and i think that the group sounds way more cohesive as a unit now. i don’t hate him or anything but i definitely think that the energy in skz and the path their music is going down has improved a lot.
I totally agree. I can see why Woojin was a former SM trainee because he sounds like SM singers. But at the same time it doesn't really fit in with the other's vocal styles, and quite frankly I've always thought Seugmin was their best singer, not Woojin.
@@rosethorn0232 but woojin is the best vocalist, honestely i prefer han and seungmin voices but he has the best tecnicque
@@getuliocesar6275 same. like, i love han's voice so much as well as seungmin's, but people can't just pretend that woojin doesn't have the best singing when it comes to technique and like accuracy
@@rosethorn0232 he is no where near SM level
@@melatonin12 I mean I'm not saying he was good enough to be an SM idol, he left/got kicked out after all. But he does have the style of voice that SM goes for.
Man I just don't remember people hating woojin's voice this much when he was in the group
It's sad he is quite talented but people let their hate overshadow their judgement
Then again it is your opinion so..
Literally it wasn't a thing. They do it now put of insecurity.
I remember I got attacked for not agreeing with stays when they said he was a “terrible vocalist anyway” LOL... but kpop fans are known to be delusional I should have known better haha
to be fair, if anyone were to voice out something like 'woojin's voice doesn't fit skz' back then, they would've been jumped for it. fans would defend anything. but in any case - i have seen multiple stays still mention back in those days that woojin's vocals weren't being fully taken advantage of within stray kids' sound.
this is especially apparent in their discography in 2019, right before woojin left. with the 'i am' series, there were still a few songs where he got to shine in pretty well like 'voices' and 'i am you', but that really wasn't the case with anything from the 'clé' series. note that this criticism wasn't said in a "he shouldn't have debuted at all" kind of way, it was more-so "hopefully newer songs will have a different approach".
he's not a bad vocalist at all, objectively he was the best out of all of stray kids, but his voice is too soft and muddy for stray kids' instrumentals, it often sounds like the instrumental is overpowering and drowning him out. idk if it's because of poor mixing or 3racha not getting a proper handle on voice direction yet at that point, but the unfortunate result was that it just sounded kind of fuzzy whenever woojin sang. e.g compare the high-note adlibs in the final chorus of 'spread my wings', han's voice is much clearer. or chronosaurus which is a much more evident case, all the members sound better singing his parts because their voices + enunciation are clear and distinct.
I don't think it's ever a question of which sounds better, but of which you personally prefer. Obviously they originally planned it for him, so it sounded great; then they had to rearrange it, so it also sounds great, but without him. I don't think we need to fight about it.
For me personally, I think his voice is beautiful, but I don't have an emotional connection I have to the other members. Therefore, I like hearing more of those voices that I know as Stray Kids, instead of That Guy Who Was There Once Apparently. (Ngl, I'm especially happy to hear more vocal opportunities for my boy, Mr Could Be Main Vocal As Well As Main Everything Else Han Jisung, who does them stunningly). But, if you actually stanned them throughout, or fell in love with these songs - and the group - as they originally were, of course you'll love the original versions, and OT8 ones will feel off and/or lacking something to you. And, naturally, you might simply prefer the way a specific member did a specific line for no reason other than you just like it.
Do Stray Kids need Woojin to absolutely slay in every way? Of course they don't. Did they lose a quality of value when they lost Woojin? Of course they did.
OT9 is a different group than OT8. But him leaving wasn't the only thing that has changed and, arguably, not even the biggest change (which I would say is how they grew up and continue to grow as people and artists).
Actually one part is wrong. In Voices 5:43 - Chan confirmed (Chans Room Ep 37) ((before Woojin departure)) that leeknow is the one singing the high note of "Ah" in his falsetto voice
It must’ve been so awkward for OT8 to redo his lines
I think woojin really suits mature songs more because his voice sounds sooo like mature idk how to put it LOL his style is kind of like Jungkook with americanized vibes. He's the best at riffs and runs dude's a beast at it. His accent sounds so fluent when he sings english which is definitely on the more pop size and not rock/experimental like skz. He was the best singer among them but his voice didn't suit the straykids style or kpopy songs in general.
Since they debuted with 9 members, I think it's unnecessary to re-record their debut songs just to cut out the parts of someone who fought as hard as they did to debut in the group.
i personally don’t think his voice fit well with the other members. his voice is very mature and he knows exactly where to place his voice unlike the other members who’s technique wasn’t as advanced and they still have their boyish tone so they sound so much younger. it’s no insult to woojin but i do think maybe skz held him back as a vocalist and in turn he sounds out of play in some songs, he’s a very safe vocalist too which doesn’t rlly fit skz style
@@seelesims WooJin seems like a member of Day6 (Or a SM idol) rather than SKZ's member because of his very younger tone & beautiful vocal style as an individual (which doesn't suit the darker & stronger style of SKZ's music) but I'm happy that he found himself (even as a soloist) and even as a soloist, he had still the full support of all STAYs
In Boxer Woojin sings the same lines that Seungmin and I.N sing, I love they both sing those lines in both pre-choruses
FINALLY a video that said it’s Changbin doing the first part!!! 11:43 I’ve always heard him but people said “listen to the second part, it’s definitely Han” yes the SECOND part is Han but the FIRST it’s Changbin!
I don't even think the second part is Han, I think that entire bit is sung by Changbin. He can sometimes sound a bit similar to Han, and also the very next section starts off with Han so it doesn't really make sense to break up the lines so much and have Han both end one section and start the next. I will die on this hill, it's completely Changbin and he sounds so wonderful.
@@rosethorn0232no That's Definetly Han
@@rosethorn0232 nah the 2nd bit is definitely Han, however i can hear a bit of Han in the 1st bit aswell actually but im still leaning more towards Changbin singing the 1st part
@@rosethorn0232I agree for the same reason. I think Changbin is singing the whole thing.
*If the line was repeated and was replaced by the same person, I only put it in once*
Ppl in the coments, ot9 don't exist anymore GET OVER IT, it's fine if you are a cub and support ot8, but fr grow up
👁️➖👁️
Yes they don’t exist but for those who like Woojin singing with the other 8 then for those songs it’s OT9 if others like the re recorded songs without Woojin then yes it’s OT8. I prefer hearing the OT9 versions of these songs just as others prefer the OT8 versions. 😊
Sorry if this is 5 whole months late but i do agree with Katie Edsall Reamy here. I prefer the OT9 versions than the OT8 versions but i will still support OT8 and Woojin also i used to hate Woojin but now i like him and miss him 😢
I love han's parts ❤
i never listen to rerecorded versions so it was interesting for me to find out who replaced his parts
love the rereleased tracks so much more
I think there is something about the voice tone in skz2022 version. Its way brighter.
district 9 is the best improvement ever
voices too
@@ay19rano it isn't
district 9 chorus sounds empty without woojin
@@lucid2dreamIdk hans version feels like there is more emotion (for me)
That was really helpful for a babySTAY, thanks a lot!
Also, love the end SKZoo scribble! I've been watching that Maniac Relay on loop 8 times just this morning to catch each member's background goofy stuff 😂
And that moment you paused on is for sure the climax of the song ❤❤
i’m glad i could help!!
Woojin fits in some songs, Some are neutral and most of it doesn’t fit him at all in my opinion. Hope he is doing fine in his soloist career
Thank you for your hard work
Both versions are great! I started being STAY 1 year ago or so since I didn't have the chance to see a comeback with Woojin.
I hope Woojin is happy being a soloist.
Seungmin and Woojin's voices are quite similar (in my opinion).
I LOVE HAN'S VOICE
I personally prefer the ot9 versions. I love Woojins voice
Me too, as is there Woojin started his musical career
I can see why chronosaurus was woojin’s favorite song on that album
Fr, it fit him and he’s had good lines, killed it.
In what minute?
@@lluio__4158 11:01
Well I'm a 2 months old babySTAY, so more used to OT8 versions.
I've heard some of the OT9 vs OT8, Miroh being my fav SKZ song "ever"... until yesterday! (I don't like OT8 more or less than OT9 for Miroh, both versions make me vibe)
Yesterday I discovered Chronosaurus, and my bias being Bang Chan because of his voice, I fell madly in love with this song, especially the bridge part of course.
I first heard an OT8 live fanmeeting version that was a mess, so I went to check a clean one and could only find OT9. Well, I think Woojin's tone works wonders in this part of the song, with the 3 voice harmonization, it's really beautiful.
Just my 2 cent as a non-Woojin-fan-because-I-fell-in-love-with-SKZ-in-OT8-form. (NB: I don't dislike or hate WJ at all, I just don't know him as well.as the other members, and am not emotionally attached to him).
Really enjoyed his voice in Chronosaurus 😊
rip to glow and spread my wings 💔
I think the members now sound more the same if you know what i mean. Woojin sang a little higher and I think the voices now come better together. But I miss woojin in mirror because that song fits his high vocals, but that's the only song I listen to where they were ot9. All the others songs that where he was became ot8 in my playlist.
I love the OT8 but at the same time miss the OT9🥲🥲🥲😭😭😭
In my opinion. Both versions sound amazing. I am addicted to their voices. The only thing sad is the reason behind the second OT8 version. Even as a 2022 Stay, I miss OT9. But, I am happy with OT8 and Woojin as a soloist.
Stray Kids OT8
13:48 one of my favorite Woojin's part
i do need to establish tho, i see some people in this comment section say they are ot9.. but how can you be ot9 when woojin is no longer a member? you are a cub and ot8. ot9 no longer exists. support woobear all you want but he isnt a member anymore so you arent ot9.
Your comment makes no sense, some EXO-Ls are still OT12 even though there's currently 8 members active and one of the members that left is in jail. There are still OT9 SONEs even though Jessica performing with SNSD is basically impossible. There are still fans of 5HINEE even though Jonghyun is no longer with us. FFS there are BIGBANG OT5 fans even though Seungri is in fucking jail.
I get your point that we should support them separately by now but that doesn't mean that the fans who were there from the beginning and liked SKZ as 9 should just fuck off because Woojin is no longer with SKZ.
@@gtblade2806 thats different? those group members still assosiate with each other in contrast to skz who wanted to cut off all the ties to him. They even re-recorded their whole discography to put it in the past. Don’t compare the situation with a passing.
@@ririhihi lol SNSD's stance has basically been “who tf is Jessica? We've been basically 8 since the beginning” since 2014. EXO has never once mentioned the three chinese members since they left. T.O.P basically said “fck Seungri, here have an OT4 pic” on IG. Jonghyun is the only one people still associate with SHINEE because what happened to him is a tragedy.
@@gtblade2806 FR
@@gtblade2806 uhm 9 members Lay is still active. He left SM not EXO
karena aq jadi STAY setelah Woojin keluar, dan rata2 lagu yg aq denger udh pada di rubah, jadi aq lebih menyukai lagu2 yg awal aq denger, bukan berarti aq gk suka Woojin, tapi 2020 udah ada SKZ2020, dan aq dengernya SKZ2020 dari awal ngestand, bahkan sebelum aq liat Survival Shownya
A voz do woojin e linda
Nahh i could never listen to the re-recorded version bcs it just doesnt feels right. But i love whatever songs come after that tho
Same tbh
0:11 and 0:17 Why Woojin and Lee Know sounds similar?
it seems that is an error
@@Ravenor__ Definitely a copypasted song
Han sounds sooo much better in District 9!
I think I.N also sings Woojin's part in M.I.A.(the second chorus)
you’re right. i’m sorry i missed that.
KW is an amazing vocalist but I think his vocal tone just never fully harmonized/complimented with SKZ’s genre. His voice often stood out like like a sore thumb? Not saying it’s a bad thing. I think his vocals def suite his current genre as a solo artist and I’m happy for him but I def prefer the re-recorded.
That's the composers fault
i can still hear woojin's voice in every song :)
Some stays get offended when people say Woojin probably left because he felt left out and hated by their own fandom, but reading comments here saying "I never thought Woojin's voice suited skz" makes me sad... I bet these things were said even when he still was part of the group, I believe he wasn't fully appreciated. Anyway, Woojin shines best in his own music and Stray Kids are awesome as 8, I love stanning the group and the soloist 😊
It was definitely said while he was in the group, I remember writing a review for their debut and I mentioned it. He wasn't much appreciated because he does sounds the least energetic in every song - but it feels like it was a mixing issue? His live vocals can come out clearly but in songs it always felt like there was a barrier for his voice to travel through. And he always seemed to get parts a little out of his range, having to sing with his head voice when it didn't suit the part.
@@m11thebazile preferred him as a soloist TBH. It's not that he was outcast or fully appreciated but if he will debut in a JYP's boy groups, his voice will suited Day6 because his charm was more softer & his voice sounded more laid-back as supposed to SKZ's more darker & stronger type of music. He was not meant to be long as SKZ's member (Due to their very, very different styles)...
Idk but I find woojin's voice as like a microphone being submerged in the water.
That would be the producer and sound mixers fault
@@christianebretschneider5346 bro I've been into skz way before predebut and I'm giving out my own opinion about woojin's voice. Why so defensive? If you can't handle constructive criticism then that's not my fault anymore.
Did I even say that woojin is inappropriate in the group? My comment is only one sentence but you are wilding in your reply like I k*lled woojin 🤣
And if you are not provoked why the long defensive reply? Again I'm stating my own opinion about his voice. Don't be butt hurt and don't even say that my opinion is criticizing chan's ability. Bfr
"kim woojin would've stayed" now let's think about that in this time. Did he stay? No right?
@@chelle8521nobody gives a crap about your stupid opinions
Thank for making this;). It's been almost 2 months since I discovered Stray Kids and you can imagine how sad I was to see that Woojin was no longer in the group. I love all their voices, but his voice really stood out to me and I was puzzled as to why he wasn't featured as much, but now I know that he left, and I guess that's cool, as I am really loving his solo work🤩🤯! Any way it looks like I got a 2 for 1 when I discovered Stray Kids 😂🙏🏼! Now I 💓 Stray Kids and I 💓Woojin too 🥰!
At 13:18 Bang Chan is doing a great job but that original part with Woojin was really my favourite...
Same Here
Chronosaurus is Woojin's song😞
personally for all of these I prefer the skz2020 vers
I don't have anything against Woojin don't get me wrong, I wasn't there when he was still in the group so that probably explains why but I just like Stray Kids as 8 both in voices and as a group.
I don't think his voice really suits the kind of songs they make or even made but that's just a personal opinion.
I hate that people discredit his vocals, he was amazing, I think the boys did great doing his parts, overall incredible, whatever their path was I’m supporting them as well as WJ, they are successful on their own and that’s what matters, stop being haters and calling him talentless.. because never was he that.
Even though I didn’t knew straykids when they were 9 I still loves Woojin’s voice and seeing people saying that Woojin’s voice never suit skz make me sad, his voice is really unique but I really think he suited skz, even for me it’s kinda hard to not listen to the ot8 version bc it’s like something is missing when he don’t sing. Anyway Stan skz and wj as a soloist
i feel you. im not stay but i know skz since predebut, woojin voice is unique and hear ot8 ver is strange for me
The Hellevator one bugs me, both lines were sang but Han in the recording but in the performance its Woojin who sings the high note. Did they do the recording without woojin in the predebut??
Probably 3racha recorded all the song as a sample before doing line distribution and everything
Wait so I'm not allowed to listen to skz with woojin?
Sad...he was my bias
You Can Still Listen to The Song's With Woojin Who Is Saying You Shouldnt?
Also, I noticed at 8:59 that in the 2020 version Seungmin sings in falsetto in last high not, but Woojin doesn't in the original version, which I think sound better :/
(I'll always support OT8 ofc, but still)
easy explanation for that one, seungmin is a baritone and it was probably more comfortable in falsetto
voices with woojin hits different !!!
I don't hate Woojin but the 2020 version of their songs is what I like more
2020 is always better. Just better🙂
No it isn't
I just listened to hellevator (in this video) multiple times and in both parts I hear HAN not Woojin or Lee Know…. I mean I hear the difference in literally ALL of them EXCEPT Hellevator…. Am I hearing wrong or…???
@@jasminvalladares5758 honestly i agree with you. but i went by the music video and performances. so in those parts he was singing and in the new performances of hellevator Han and Lee Know took the parts 🤷♀️
I love skz ot8 and 2020skz was great but I mean the og, even if I wasn’t there at the time, woos voice sticks to me, his voice outshines.
That one line in miroh 🧍🏽♀️
Same that one line in miroh where he jumps
@@rock.skz_tar RIGHTTT
I don't know why, don't take offense of this, but his leaving the group was kinda reminded with how Jessica leaves the group (SNSD) but in a very different way😢😢
Makes sense because both had 9 members and now they have 8
SKZ2020 sound so much better
Nah
@@Dorimoritaytay yes
no way you actually think that
@@zelwonnie but i do!
@@KiddaClaner1D there’s no diffrence💀 ur just a delulu hating on a innocent man for no reason
Nao fez falta 🤭
sinceramente, me gusta más como canta Woojin
verdad 😭 tenia mas control sobre su voz :(
Si, estoy de acuerdo, pero hicieron bien en sus partes😢
Я всегда слушаю эти треки в оригинале. Мне нравится его голос, да и он сам. Не вижу смысла вычёркивать его из истории группы
Exactly
OT8 forever ❤
Sadness is following us.
I think we need to give credit to Chan for having to go back and rework all those songs and getting them redone and they still sound good. I know it was a lot of work but it came out great. Chan really is the hardest working leader in K pop lol
Why discredit the other 2 producers? Han and Changbin? And the rest of the members?
@@Nat_0218I didn't discredit them but I know he does a lot of the actual arrangements. They all had to work hard for it of course. Praise of one isn't discredit to anyone else. If that were the case then everyone is discredited for everything.
@kitabootforever yes it does, because how do you know who does what? Why are you giving only one the credit for all 3 of their work?
Your example doesn't make sense because everyone else in the world wasn't involved in making the songs.
It absolutely doesn't take away anything from what they do. Praising one isn't to the detriment of another. I simply stated my opinion and also I see the credits on the songs and look under arrangements and most songs say Bang Christopher Chan in that specific area. I like looking at the credits on Amazon music. They also have other people's names there but I didn't list them either. I just know going off what they say in interviews, Chan's Room, other lives and looking at the credits. Have a good day. I won't be responding again, respectfully.
@@kitabootforever It absolutely does when you presented as if he did everything himself. Trying to give him all of the credit for all of their work is discrediting. Erasing their contribution by acting as if his contribution is somehow more respectable or bigger.
Chan akgeas always do this. Solo stans.
People here will be biased, as they may directly say that the SKZ 2020 sounds better just because they are still influenced by the drama surrounding Woojin's departure.
woojin 's voice colour is really unique and i prefer the old versions! However, as someone who attended two SKZ concerts and a Woojin concer, I believe Woojin truly deserved more lines when he was in SKZ, especially when it comes to singing live without relying on pre-recorded tracks. same goes for Han, remains stable in both rapping and singing live even while dancing. His live performances sound almost identical to the recorded tracks, which is incredible.
woojin sounds so good in district 9 I miss him
me too :(
he just wasn’t fit for skz
I think Chan's replacement in awkward silence was better than woojins in my opinion sorry lol.
It fits kinda better ngl but woo still slays
I don't
at some points the woo version sounds better and at some points the woo-less version sounds better. woos voice is amazing, my boi always slays. in my personal opinion he sounds better in skz's bsides or the more chill skz songs.
can someone explain to me why they recorded their older songs?
we don’t know for sure. but one of the members left the group and so they re recorded them to have other members replace his lines.
we know in other kpop groups people never do this so some people wonder if there’s another reason. but the official statement is that he left due to personal reasons.
It's a jype thing. They did the same to their other grps like 2PM and Day6
WTH with the comments hating on Woojin 💀
because it's 2023 and these silly stays can't move on even after the guy was proven innocent by Seoul police departement and that these so called victimes were just some toxic stays
I'm not a fan of him and i don't hate him but skz2020 versions wins in my heart:) i can't like anything more then Seungmin's voice and i feel like he took his right when he sings the lines that were actually Woojins lines.. I don't know what I'm saying but yeah I think i like skz2020 more🤗
Mejor 2020 lo es ...
I remember watching the gone away teams howl in harmony where IN mentioned he thinks he's worked hard to have a voice that fits the team and I didnt really get the concept/hadnt really thought about how much of an issue groups might have with this, but it completely fits the way I feel about Woojins voice in their older songs. It has nothing to do with his talent or how good he sounds I dont think anyone can say anything negative about this at all, his voice just doesnt fit. The energy he puts into his words, the feelings they protray feel really lacking compared all the other members, it just feels like theyre at completely different levels. its so noticeable especially when Han Seungmin or Chan takeover his parts. My pace, District 9, even I am you are so much more impactful I feel and I cant listen to the originals without feeling like its missing something.
weird.....even in the original versions it sounds like the other members was singing it not him
Woojins voice just- UGH
WTH
Your own comment just- UGH
Who covered Woojin's falsetto in Grow Up?
Also what happened to his shared part with Chan in My Pace
@@gtblade2806 Lee Know covered Woojin’s part in My Pace with Chan. Sorry it was so subtle I forgot about it 😭. And which part exactly in Grow Up are you talking about?
@@boongi_ace after the Han and Lee Know bridge
@@gtblade2806 Lee Know replaced that too! Sorry I didn’t put it in. i couldn’t hear it 😭
stray kids are one of the best K-pop groups in the world,
But if woojin didn't leave the group,...he was going to be a milestone because of the strong vocals he have.
I guess so, but now that his vocals are more open, I think freedom is best and not being treated like crap by his company..
Je préfère l'original
Me too
I think woojin did better in my pace I miss his lines
I think so too
Sin duda en todas gana Woojin pero hay algunas partes que la verdad se escucha mejor en OT8
Edit: me confundí en una palabra
after stray kids reacted to levanter i think you should be ashamed of supporting that man
... 🤦🏻♀️
@@slowedmp3 ya mama
You're such a weirdo. You should be ashamed of creating narratives to suit your need to victimize them and vilify him. So you mean to tell me they watched him in their videos from district 9 to double knot and were laughing and smiling, but suddenly seeing levater era made them remember they hate him?
You would rather forego logic than admit you're just a narcissistic bully. Have you considered that what happened TO Woojin is why they have a hard time watching levater era??? 🙄🙄🙄
@@lenarakahnand you should be ashamed of yourself for believing in those stupid rumors and blaming woojin for something he didn't do
what?
Woojin's voice as an angel of course...
i still think that woojin was the strongest vocalist out of everyone, it's a pity because the songs we could've had will never be realized. it's also the fist time i've heard a group so eagerly try to erase a past member's existance to the point of re-recording.
this is not an erasure, they had to rerecord because of copyright issues
@@slowedmp3what copyright issues? none of those songs legally belongs to woojin. if using songs after members leave the group is such a hassle and needs adjustments, then why no other group rerecorded their discography? i’m not criticizing skz, they can do whatever they want with their music, but i think it’s more likely that re-recordings were their idea and not a necessity
Ofcourse they re-recorded the songs. They still singing those songs on the concerts,remember?
i'm glad they did re-record most of the songs
@@Eli-qr4nc 2pm and day6 rerecorded ALL their songs after the member left
It was better with Woojin
if you liked ot9💍💍💍💍
Eww
@@tapok4965 shut up
@@tapok4965 what do u mean eww 🤠
🤢🤢
@@jenienikm white terr0ist
i love stray kids but no one can sing woojin's parts as well as he does. his voice is just so unique and beautiful, it actually sounds like you're going to heaven. losing him as a member was definitely a loss for stray kids, i mean he wasn't the main vocalist for nothing. stray kids is lucky they are a rap based group and that woojin didn't have a lot of parts even though he was the main vocalist. i will never listen to the ot8 versions because the originals are by far better because of woojin and i don't understand why stays are downloading those versions without him. i understand why they had to re-record them but why would anyone willingly listen to them when we still have the ot9 versions? i feel like i should pay to listen to the original because woojin's voice is that good.
and i find his voice off-putting) and never will listen to ot9 version if don't have alternative)) saying that losing him was a loss is actually funny considering skz growth and success! and what about woojin? he kinda exists??? no-one exept cubs know him 😂
@@YaniTa00 um why are you hating on woojin now? i didn't say anything negative about stray kids. objectively woojin was their best vocalist and stray kids also thought so. chan literally picked him as the main vocalist. it's okay if you don't like woojin's voice. it's not understandable to me but it's subjective. of course it's a loss for them because woojin had a main position. there wouldn't have been any difference to their success if he stayed. like i said, they have a strong rap line and not many highnotes in their songs. that's not true, a lot of older kpop stans know woojin because he was in a big 3 group and unfortunately lots of new fans know him because of the hate he gets. we can have different opinions without hating on anybody.
@@zelwonnie exactly. He’s better suited as a soloist. I heard somewhere that he really didn’t want to be in a group. I still find it petty how they re recorded all the albums that had Woojin vocals on them. I saw a video a person put up of 2017 Young Wings side by side next to 2021 version. When it came to Woojin’s screen time she blacked it out. Reason because she still thinks he’s aweful even after the scandal was proven false. Some people are just petty 😢
@@KissMeStarlight i think they don't actually believe those things about him, but because they WANT to hate him they convince themselves he's this awful person when in reality he is a very sweet guy who hasn't done anything wrong. all he did was put himself first and left a group he wasn't happy in, it doesn't mean he hated the members and they were super close before he left. those people don't want to admit that they have hated on an innocent person and it's all because they didn't find him good-looking. it sounds horrible and it is, because who is that shallow? they only care about looks and don't like the other members for their talent or personality. they are into their looks and want to fantasize about them and woojin didn't fit that for a lot of people. and now they try and say they never liked his voice or that he didn't fit and i don't believe that one bit.
But after he left, Skz really downgrade in vocal tier, Stray Kids's vocal was in Average level before and now just Weak level
Ot9 sounds better sorry
Sure
Yes it is great
no, it sounds horrible because that ugly guy sings it
@@jenienikm shut up he is innocent
@@arimedo whatever it is, he ruins the song
I want KIM WOO JIN to come back with stray kids 😭 🤧 💜 😔 😫
he is happy being a soloist, he won't come back
Shut up literally
Why so stays can abuse him more effectively?