Guys, with the Springboks under Rassie and Jacques, it's not about Handre vs Manie, but about Handre and Manie vs the world. These Springboks work for each other. Organisations can learn a lot from Rassie and Jacques. Super proud of you guys
This is a great watch, after the event, eh. Both awesome players, both contributed so much in the WC and as you said, bringing Handré on to laser those kicks through was the difference that helped win it for the fantastic Boks. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed watching them play this World Cup...and i'm not even a Boks fan.
Thank you. Glad you liked the video. They will be back in the Green and Gold in July next year. First up, a two test series against the brilliant Irish ☘️ 🏉
I would do ist exactly the other way around. Start with Handre, make use of his better defensive work, get some secure points through his safer kicking and bring Manie at around 50 mins, when the opponent is getting tired to make the most of his higher speed and better attacking style in open game.
I thought they are building the attack play around Manie? I think how they have it is best. To kick later in the game is more pressure and Pollard is the better kicker to goal statistically speaking. These are tight games. The boks does not seem to play well tactically. They are seldom in the opponents 22. They need to figure out how to get there more often.
I don’t care who is chosen but you have to have a great goal kicker in the team to win a World Cup. That is nr 1 priority. Think Back at Percy Montgomery. I think how they have it now is great. Bring Pollard on the second halve.
Yeah, I agree we should rather just keep Manie as the starting 10 at the moment and give the Boks a mandate to score tries rather than kick at goal with him. I know people might say Pollard builds score board pressure but the reality is most of the time with Pollard we don't actually go into half time ahead. Saw a stat that pointed out that with Manie we go ahead into half time 71% of the time where as with Pollard we go ahead 20% of the time. Pollard in general performs better in the 2nd half where as Manie's influence tends to fall out of the game after 65 mins when the team is tired.
Really interesting half time stat that! The Springboks have historically been a bit slow out of the sheds but have upped the tempo with the addition of Libbok. He adds a fantastic dynamic to the Springboks attack
Suggested approach is for Manie to start the game as his attacking play is better. It would be a good idea to have Pollie on the bench in case Manie struggles with the tee. Remember how important a role Pollie played in getting the Boks through the semi final against Wales in 2019.
@@RugbyNow_ Forget about 2019 , forget about Kicking is going to win us the World cup Concentrate on what MANIE LIBBOK brings to this 2023 World cup team, Rugby skills that Pollard can ONLY dream of.
@@RugbyNow_ let me give you my version of that quarter final, if it wasn't for the brilliance of DDA we would've lost it, with Pollard in the team for his Kicking abilities the opposition is always in the game because he doesn't create opportunities for his outside backs like MANIE LIBBOK
O please - there is no comparison. Pollard is miles ahead of Libbok. Libbok must learn to kick - conversions and penalties. Libbok blew the URC 1/4 semi - and WC against Ireland - missing 4 penalties & 1 conversion.? The trip to the final was soo much harder after that loss. Simply Libbok cannot convert or penalty kick.
You have two world class form centres in De Allende and Esterhuizen who are both destructive ball carriers. Might not be the best idea to slot Pollard in at 12 otherwise you lose the option of utilising those 2
The intention of the video is to show the viewer the strengths and weaknesses of both tens and present a suggested approach to how the Springboks could utilise both fly halves in the squad. Pollard was of course drafted in during the World Cup for his experience and deadly goal kicking but Libbok remains a viable option due to his superior attacking skill set. The next set of internationals will see South Africa host Ireland in a 2 match series where Libbok will surely feature.
Pollard all the way,Liebok is good with ball in hand on the attack but his kicking has let him down..regardless of the tries he creates there are always more points he missed on the tee..A world cup has proven itself to be a kicking game,so the answer is quite clear
What tries did he create in this World Cup? please enlighten me? Against Scotland we only scored 2 tries, of which he created one, but missed 3 kicks. Against the Irish the same, against England he would have cost us the game if he was not replaced.
Libbok is a quality player, but on the back foot he struggles a bit. (I associate this with the Stormers, and their Hot/Cold performances) You might see a bit more creativity out of Polly in the coming weeks, primarily because the Boks as a whole have been working on attack. We are fortunate to have 2 really talented flyhalves. And I get the sense Polly might be the one to better convert points when on the opposition try line. Great Vid!
You might see creavity from Pollard like kicking possession away don't contradict yourself MANIE LIBBOK is the creater of tries Pollard is a overated white player
Manie commands a running back line better than Pollie does. His attacking stats and the number of tries the Boks have scored with Libbok starting at 10 proves this. It will be raining in the final so would be surprised if the Boks don’t start with Pollie as he will manage the game better under those conditions. Do you have Libbok on the bench though?
@@RugbyNow_ Does he now? Bring the stats. Like I said, in this world cup the Springboks only scored 1 backline try against both Scotland and Ireland with Manie at 10. Pollard had to save the day against France and England. You are either blind or biased. Which is it? No, I would not pick Libbok in the team for the final at all. I would go 6/2 split with Willie on the bench. Libbok is a liability in defense and he can not play under pressure.
No attack while you fresh never play catch-up Rugby MANIE LIBBOK for 80 minutes, Pollard anywhere else except Flyhalve if we want to win this World cup
You can’t play Pollie anywhere else though else that means you forfeit the likes of Damian Willemse (at 15), Damian De Allende and Andre Esterhuizen (both at 12) taking part in the game and those players are the best in the world in their positions at the moment
@@RugbyNow_ correct their's no place for him, those players around him in the past did not get the chance to show their attacking skills with Libbok at flyhalve they all look world class
Manie should start against France. Pollard has done nothing in 2 years to warrant selection whereas Libbok were Top Scorer in URC 22 and 23. Libbok kicks at 80% for Stormers and I think now somewhere in the 50's for Boks,he can definitely improve as he already showed against Tonga.
I hear you, but look in the last game we played Pollard came in and did what he do best[score] whereas Libbok has played several matches but still he misses a lot than he scores. I think in this case experience counts. Am saying this because have you seen Libbok when he has to kick he becomes so nervous in a way that even a blind man could see. Whereas Pollard and other kickers from other teams try by all means to contain themselves and do well.
Thank God for Pollard! He had to save the day in both the quarter final and semi final! Manie Libbok does not have BMT! If he starts in the final we can kiss the cup goodbye.
Start with Manie, If his kicking suck, replace him with Handre. If Handre starts and you bring up Libbok, he might have an off day and we can't take him off again. Start with the most inconsistent one.
9 Williams, 10 Libbok, 12 Willemse, 13 Esterhuizen, 11 Kolbe, 14 Arendse, 15 Pollard game over. moodie, faf and de allende in the bench. No team in world rugby possesses more threats in the backline than that line up
@@lindumusamkhabela1137 whys this? Mannie and willemse pair beautifully together and esterhuizen is a classic bulldozing centre that draws two defenders everytime.
Because Esterhuizen cannot be a 13, his game is perfect for 12 only, and it will be tough seeing Willemse stepping into the number 12 position with De Allende and Esterhuizen there, surely after World cup, Willemse should come down to 12
Guys, with the Springboks under Rassie and Jacques, it's not about Handre vs Manie, but about Handre and Manie vs the world. These Springboks work for each other. Organisations can learn a lot from Rassie and Jacques. Super proud of you guys
Hundred percent agreed. Rassie and Jacques will know exactly how to manage these two players and how to get the best out of each of them
This is a great watch, after the event, eh. Both awesome players, both contributed so much in the WC and as you said, bringing Handré on to laser those kicks through was the difference that helped win it for the fantastic Boks. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed watching them play this World Cup...and i'm not even a Boks fan.
Thank you. Glad you liked the video. They will be back in the Green and Gold in July next year. First up, a two test series against the brilliant Irish ☘️ 🏉
I would do ist exactly the other way around. Start with Handre, make use of his better defensive work, get some secure points through his safer kicking and bring Manie at around 50 mins, when the opponent is getting tired to make the most of his higher speed and better attacking style in open game.
Also a great approach. Will be interesting to see what the selectors do. I am sure the coaches will want both of them to feature against France
I thought they are building the attack play around Manie? I think how they have it is best. To kick later in the game is more pressure and Pollard is the better kicker to goal statistically speaking. These are tight games. The boks does not seem to play well tactically. They are seldom in the opponents 22. They need to figure out how to get there more often.
I don’t care who is chosen but you have to have a great goal kicker in the team to win a World Cup. That is nr 1 priority. Think Back at Percy Montgomery. I think how they have it now is great. Bring Pollard on the second halve.
Handré Pollard
And then Sacha said.. hold my beer...
Hahahah 👏🏻
Pollard > Libbok indeed.
2000000 a month tells you a story to a victorious world cup❤
Yeah, I agree we should rather just keep Manie as the starting 10 at the moment and give the Boks a mandate to score tries rather than kick at goal with him.
I know people might say Pollard builds score board pressure but the reality is most of the time with Pollard we don't actually go into half time ahead. Saw a stat that pointed out that with Manie we go ahead into half time 71% of the time where as with Pollard we go ahead 20% of the time.
Pollard in general performs better in the 2nd half where as Manie's influence tends to fall out of the game after 65 mins when the team is tired.
Really interesting half time stat that!
The Springboks have historically been a bit slow out of the sheds but have upped the tempo with the addition of Libbok. He adds a fantastic dynamic to the Springboks attack
Easy choice, win matches or comply with quotas? Only in South Africa will this be an issue any outsider wouldn't take long to tell you Pollard.
Put manie at 10 and pollard at 15
When it comes to the closer games where tries might be lacking use pollard.
Handre Libboks and Manie Pollard
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So what you suggest is that Manie must come and win the game for us after Pollard dismeral performance
Suggested approach is for Manie to start the game as his attacking play is better. It would be a good idea to have Pollie on the bench in case Manie struggles with the tee. Remember how important a role Pollie played in getting the Boks through the semi final against Wales in 2019.
@@RugbyNow_ Forget about 2019 , forget about Kicking is going to win us the World cup Concentrate on what MANIE LIBBOK brings to this 2023 World cup team, Rugby skills that Pollard can ONLY dream of.
@@RugbyNow_ let me give you my version of that quarter final, if it wasn't for the brilliance of DDA we would've lost it, with Pollard in the team for his Kicking abilities the opposition is always in the game because he doesn't create opportunities for his outside backs like MANIE LIBBOK
@@PatrickDedericks wow, all of your comments aged horribly! You are clueless.
O please - there is no comparison. Pollard is miles ahead of Libbok. Libbok must learn to kick - conversions and penalties. Libbok blew the URC 1/4 semi - and WC against Ireland - missing 4 penalties & 1 conversion.? The trip to the final was soo much harder after that loss. Simply Libbok cannot convert or penalty kick.
pollard is very better than libbok 😂
Mannie at 10 and pollard 12
You have two world class form centres in De Allende and Esterhuizen who are both destructive ball carriers.
Might not be the best idea to slot Pollard in at 12 otherwise you lose the option of utilising those 2
This post didn't age well. Pollard by a country mile
The intention of the video is to show the viewer the strengths and weaknesses of both tens and present a suggested approach to how the Springboks could utilise both fly halves in the squad.
Pollard was of course drafted in during the World Cup for his experience and deadly goal kicking but Libbok remains a viable option due to his superior attacking skill set.
The next set of internationals will see South Africa host Ireland in a 2 match series where Libbok will surely feature.
Pollard all the way,Liebok is good with ball in hand on the attack but his kicking has let him down..regardless of the tries he creates there are always more points he missed on the tee..A world cup has proven itself to be a kicking game,so the answer is quite clear
What tries did he create in this World Cup? please enlighten me? Against Scotland we only scored 2 tries, of which he created one, but missed 3 kicks. Against the Irish the same, against England he would have cost us the game if he was not replaced.
@Alias-gy3tz agreed the guy does not have a place anymore and his attack wont help much in those weather conditions
Put libbok on full back and pollard on 10 come on it would be a great choice considering libbok has played full back before
He has played at fullback before for the Bulls you are right
That would work perfectly cause he has pace and creative
Pollard
They are both quality player and good players ❤️❤️
They absolutely are. South Africa are blessed with exceptional rugby talent.
Handre off the bench
what do you name a bok that can t kick a libbok
Right now Libbok
Libbok is a quality player, but on the back foot he struggles a bit. (I associate this with the Stormers, and their Hot/Cold performances) You might see a bit more creativity out of Polly in the coming weeks, primarily because the Boks as a whole have been working on attack. We are fortunate to have 2 really talented flyhalves. And I get the sense Polly might be the one to better convert points when on the opposition try line. Great Vid!
Excellent thoughts. Thanks for the addition 👍🏻
Will be interesting to see how the selectors handle this one.
And with Pollard how many games did we loose, you sound's if he is the perfect flyhalve he doesn't have halve the skills that MANIE LIBBOK have
You might see creavity from Pollard like kicking possession away don't contradict yourself MANIE LIBBOK is the creater of tries Pollard is a overated white player
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I vote for pollard
Dont compare our boys
Pollard is hands down the better player. He has BMT, Manie folds under pressure.
Manie commands a running back line better than Pollie does. His attacking stats and the number of tries the Boks have scored with Libbok starting at 10 proves this.
It will be raining in the final so would be surprised if the Boks don’t start with Pollie as he will manage the game better under those conditions.
Do you have Libbok on the bench though?
@@RugbyNow_ Does he now? Bring the stats. Like I said, in this world cup the Springboks only scored 1 backline try against both Scotland and Ireland with Manie at 10. Pollard had to save the day against France and England. You are either blind or biased. Which is it? No, I would not pick Libbok in the team for the final at all. I would go 6/2 split with Willie on the bench. Libbok is a liability in defense and he can not play under pressure.
Pollard for the 1st half Libbok later, defense then attack.
No attack while you fresh never play catch-up Rugby MANIE LIBBOK for 80 minutes, Pollard anywhere else except Flyhalve if we want to win this World cup
You can’t play Pollie anywhere else though else that means you forfeit the likes of Damian Willemse (at 15), Damian De Allende and Andre Esterhuizen (both at 12) taking part in the game and those players are the best in the world in their positions at the moment
@@RugbyNow_ correct their's no place for him, those players around him in the past did not get the chance to show their attacking skills with Libbok at flyhalve they all look world class
Manie should start against France. Pollard has done nothing in 2 years to warrant selection whereas Libbok were Top Scorer in URC 22 and 23. Libbok kicks at 80% for Stormers and I think now somewhere in the 50's for Boks,he can definitely improve as he already showed against Tonga.
Dont diss pollard he will start,you are not boks supporter, dont tell the boks what to do.
I hear you, but look in the last game we played Pollard came in and did what he do best[score] whereas Libbok has played several matches but still he misses a lot than he scores. I think in this case experience counts.
Am saying this because have you seen Libbok when he has to kick he becomes so nervous in a way that even a blind man could see. Whereas Pollard and other kickers from other teams try by all means to contain themselves and do well.
Thank God for Pollard! He had to save the day in both the quarter final and semi final! Manie Libbok does not have BMT! If he starts in the final we can kiss the cup goodbye.
Pollard is more suitable for for the AB's against SA
It should be raining on the weekend so have to agree with you, Pollard may indeed be the preferred choice
It's simple, if Liebok can improve his kicking he can be selected over Pollard
This will most certainly be the focal point of his training when he resumes duties with the Stormers in the URC.
its easy take Willie out, Pollard 10 and Manie in Willie's place
Don't do him like that 😅😅😅
@@NgqiqoXana - Man I lilke Willie but its time - he did a lot of good for the sport but its time
At least the STORMERS won something what did the Bulls win when Pollard was there...f...k...l
Pollard is the best
For France game, Libbok has to start with Pollard coming in 2nd half, Pollard's playmaking was off against Tonga so he shouldn't start against France
Pollard is my favourite player of all time...pollard all the way ❤❤
He’s solid
Start with Manie, If his kicking suck, replace him with Handre. If Handre starts and you bring up Libbok, he might have an off day and we can't take him off again. Start with the most inconsistent one.
By then it will be too late for pollard to save a sinking ship....rather play safe then look for tries after
9 Williams, 10 Libbok, 12 Willemse, 13 Esterhuizen, 11 Kolbe, 14 Arendse, 15 Pollard game over.
moodie, faf and de allende in the bench. No team in world rugby possesses more threats in the backline than that line up
Willemse and Esterhuizen makes no sense at centre
@@lindumusamkhabela1137 whys this? Mannie and willemse pair beautifully together and esterhuizen is a classic bulldozing centre that draws two defenders everytime.
Because Esterhuizen cannot be a 13, his game is perfect for 12 only, and it will be tough seeing Willemse stepping into the number 12 position with De Allende and Esterhuizen there, surely after World cup, Willemse should come down to 12
Yes cheslin kode
Nah bruh pollard all the way