this feels like that doctor who episode from last year where the devil's chord was played and the maestro has come to take music from everyone. but this time we don't have John & Paul to save us.
This video is dope and brings up a lot of interesting points. However when it comes to the question did ai use my music as “reference” I’d say its entirely possible but not done at the level you think. I could be wrong about this so correct me if so but: my understanding of how ai music generators work is that the process of “running music through the ai machine” happens at the company level. That is to say that the company builds the ai, and then “trains” it by having it analyze tons of music. The user generating the track wouldn’t be the one to run the music through. Ive messed around a bit with ai music generators and from what i can tell they are text based, so the user enters a prompt of what they want the song to sound like and maybe adds lyrics and the ai generates the track based on the description. Every generator i have used has specifically had a rule where you cant enter “make a song that sounds like *insert artist name*”. Its one of the few rules for the ai and i haven’t been able to get it to break it (though its probably possible”). This doesn’t take away from the ethical concerns that are associated with ai music generation and regardless of the ability to request a specific artists sound, its still entirely possible to replicate music. There are many examples of ai use to generate covers of songs and the like but those are produced a bit differently. The ethical concerns still remain. Id also like to say that i think one of the things this video makes the best arguement for is facebooks need to improve their algorithm that detects copyright infringement, or restructure how they handle copyright to have more human moderation, especially before punishing artists. Its hard to tell where ai music is going to go but as a musician who has also dabbled in ai generated music my persoanl opinnion is that people are going to want human made music for forever, ai music is easy to make but like, ai images, leaves alot to be desired. Along with that, at what point is ai music going to be passed through other ai generators until there is an influx of ultra generic sounding music that is easily identifiable as ai produced. Like i said, lots of interesting questions but i believe real art will prevail.
Very interesting video. This AI thing reminds me a little of the old sampling debate in that when using a sample in a new piece of music, when does that piece of music become different from the original? When does using someone's track pushed through an AI music generator does it become different? Personally, I think the AI thing is more sinister. Is very open for abuse by individuals and corporate companies, and I have problems with social media algorithms basically trolling your content. I think this problem will get larger until it implodes on itself.
This is just rage and despair inducing as an artist. It just feels like these platforms and AI in general are such a hurtful waste of time for artists. It’s hard enough to make art and get a following, but to deal with this BS on top of it all… I just can’t. “New Mike” has more monthly listeners than I do. Yay.
I'm not against AI at all, but this is clearly going to cause more and more problems for many of us artists especially when mixed with awful Content ID system which often gets stuff wrong. In my opinion the best way to fix this would be if the streaming platforms, including YT/TikTok etc, online stores and all distributors start using AI detection algorithms and clearly mark music tracks with a clear warning: 'Includes AI-generated content'. Doesn't mean it has to be removed etc, but at least potential listeners/buyers would be aware. Distributors though need to clamp down harder imo, this really should stop with them or at least place limitations... if they're going to allow AI generated music to be distributed through them, it should be necessary to disclose this truthfully by the artist (with a warning by the distributor that they risk losing their account etc) and if so, Content ID features should be disabled for those releases! Besides...Can you even copyright AI music? I know with artwork you cannot claim copyright on the artwork, so far.
Loads of great stuff to unpack in this. mate. Good questions/thoughts. I feel maybe another video might be in order to look at this all further. I definitely think that AI generated music should be clearly labelled somehow though. At least for now while we are going through this initial stage of AI generation which is going to be very very different in a few years time.
@@matthsmatthsmatths I agree mate, and eventually imo all content might have to be labelled as such. Facebook for instance has been minefield of AI image content for a while now, it's extremely hard to tell what is real and what is not - with tons of people being fooled, clearly we have this same issue with music and it'll get so much harder to tell the difference. I don't know if you've noticed, but already RUclips does ask the creator to disclose altered/AI content as part of their policy now and when you answer yes, it should add a disclosure in the description that says 'Altered or Synthetic content', though they don't seem to enforce it yet, at least they seem to be taking it seriously. Facebook/Meta certainly don't seem to give a damn yet either and so far the distributor I use (DistroKid) has nothing in place on their music upload page to disclose anything, and no change in their agreement you tick when submitting new music. I really hope this changes.
This is just rage and despair inducing as an artist. It just feels like these platforms and AI in general are such a hurtful waste of time for artists. It’s hard enough to make art and get a following, but to deal with this BS on top of it all… I just can’t.
The new mike is 100% AI artist, at least his content is made using AI. Also I would not feel to sure YT will consider your claim valid. It's governed by AI these days, so this is human vs AI vs AI. Glad I found this video because I have seen so many other artists being hit with copyright disputes that is clearly wrong. They are real original artists being accused of copying other "artists".
We are all getting hit with more and more copyright claims now on a regular basis. Last month I was hit for 15 seconds of drone in a live improvised recording! Don't assume you can win. I Disputed one claim couple of years ago and they upheld their copyright claim. The next step requires that i give out so much information that I was not happy with that. I know nothing about the company claiming the copyright yet I have to give everything including my inside leg measurement. I had to pull the video. AI as you say is here, so we have to learn live with it and possible somehow to manage it as it opens up to so much abuse as there will always be those out there that want to make the quick buck in any field of life.
Thats just crackers - a drone - sheeeeesh. Sounds like all this needs tightening up. I think there are more cleverer people like @BennJordan who are up on all this...
@@matthsmatthsmatths Oh uhh, I may have confused Benn's video with Venus Theory's video from two months ago - where Venus Theory got some copyright claims on his stuff in a similar way. But Benn's AI detector is also relevant to the discussion!
@@matthsmatthsmatths Yeah changed to a Chinese looking profile to throw us off the scent? Lol, anyway. Honestly, although I'm far from a vinyl guy, I think the answer to this is pressing your own stuff and selling it out the back of a van like we used to in the 90s.
The copyright detection algorithms are not fit for purpose. Maybe you've seen Starsky Carr's video where he talks about getting copyright strikes for showing filter sweeps. Though The New Mike is definitely using AI for the cats, so it would be reasonable to assume the music is also AI. Though that brings up a truth in advertising issue. If "he" isn't really making music, is some corporation lying to us?
@@matthsmatthsmatths They should definitely be labeled. With images they could just put a little watermark in one corner or something. One issue: AI generated content cannot be copyright under US law. No one publishing AI content should ever receive the benefits of a copyright strike. If I were to train an AI on just your music, then anything I created would necessarily infringe your copyrights, because the only things it could create are things it copied from you.
Maybe getting copyright strikes will be the norm for the future of creative talents :( What I find disturbing is the ease of anyone just reproducing music at a click of a button, its the unfortunate reality of today. I really enjoy creating music as a hobby and understand the time/effort it takes to produce. It just feels so wrong that anyone can just grab your music and abuse it just to make money (cough.. Fake Mike!). I'm hoping that people will just get bored of AI and its just a curiosity lol here's to high hopes.
It's a scam and indeed a side-hustle for more and more shady individuals. They're usually behind some vpn and will be difficult to track down. What you mentioned in the end about starting to churn out your "own" AI-generated content; I have seen some of this happening with a few artists. From 3 or 4 albums a year they suddenly have a new one every month, then every week and even faster, while the actual originality went out of the window. I stopped following those "artists".
If what you’re alleged to have copied wasn’t produced/published until after your ‘offending’ content, you probably want to confirm that first (for each snippet) and MAKE A POINT OF THIS FACT (with the relevant dates comparisons) in your dispute … Extra work, but can only increase the chances of a positive outcome …
It's AI, there's thousands of accounts pumping out thousands of tracks per hour, statistically if they are generating techno there's a good chance that eventually it will generate something that sounds like yours, it's already a major problem and other musicians have come across the same problem, it needs a permanent solution, even something simple like comparing the date a piece of music first appears
It seems its more than likely META causing the issue here, not the artists personally claiming rights. IF this is the case, I would open a law suite against their copyright AI system for causing stress and trying to steam your money, wasting your (work)time etc (if its happening to you, its happening everywhere I am sure you'll find loads of people to join you in the suite)
Nice words - thats got me thinking.... not sure I am ready for a lawsuit. I cant seem to see if there is any progress in the claim dispute I made - which is annoying.
@@matthsmatthsmatths sad thing is, until people go after the algo's causing these issues, its just going to continue for everyone. I mean, just the fact they are calling you a thief (when most of those artist released after you..a simple check on their end would have stopped that),And trying to steal your work for their own, including your earnings...I am going to say it is illegal on many fronts and should be dealt with in a court of law. I would love to know just how many man hours are wasted by artists dealing with all these fake claims. I think if you are falsely accused of a crime, they should pay a fine or spend some time in jail (wasting the courts and justice systems time). I think if you got enough artists who have had these issues all sign a petition, and move on from there.
I disagree with the accepting AI, this issue stops your usual routine - making music posting etc. AI is a facsimile machine and so if streaming platforms can’t be bothered to hire flesh and blood to copyright proof new streams you may have half the answer there. I mean you may be at a time in your musical journey where it’s time to take your music out of the streaming playroom and take it to the next level? I’d like to see a positive outcome for your personal music and human progression. Good luck on your journey
The person will not have uploaded your music, the ai model will have been trained on videos from social media and RUclips along with metadata. The person will have just asked the ai to create a techno track and it just happened to use part of your track. I think it will be interesting to see what changes to copyright will be forced in the next few years. Copyright will become a right mess with circular claims from ai generated content against other ai generated tracks together with original artists and labels. And as you alluded to picking up, common sound presets and classing them as copyright infringement. It's a nightmare waiting to happen.
Just had a look at this 'the new mike' (what kinda names that anyway?) Sounds AI generated to me, its all over the place track to track and all just sounds dead flat.
Hey: little tech question : How did you copy songs that were released (2024) after your video (2022) ? Do you have some kind of time-travelling device? Is it modular? Can I use it? I'd like to win last week's lottery.
Fully fake Mike 🤣 My inner gear nerd was subcontiosly puzzled looking at those synths on a picture and you started saying about that ... Very interesting and funny (in a way, in general, that circle of life...... and I'm sorry of course you've been AI-ed). Is there a way to listen your original stream that got a strike?
The circle of life indeed - has a new meaning. Yeah you can find the jam on my RUclips channel - check it out! Its here ruclips.net/user/livel18knzKCGAo
I'm tired of the accessibility of self-releasing music. I'd rather miss a few gems here and there and be spared the monumental avalanche of mediocre crap (human or AI-generated).
@@substance90. Yeah, the ‘democratisation’ of music has similar problems to the political/voting system … 😏🙃 No wonder Socrates didn’t like democracy …
21:25 … Looking forward to hearing THE NEW MATT RUclips channel … !! 😀😉
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Wild. It's like we're living in Terry Gilliam's Brazil. Awesome video.
Thanks for checking it out. It's more crazy than Brazil and it's only gone get more crazier! 😄
this feels like that doctor who episode from last year where the devil's chord was played and the maestro has come to take music from everyone. but this time we don't have John & Paul to save us.
One way or another, copyright is broken.
I did. I used it to make polka disco. 😀
Best reply ever
@ Feel the envy.
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I see this happening more and more. It is revolting, really.
This video is dope and brings up a lot of interesting points. However when it comes to the question did ai use my music as “reference” I’d say its entirely possible but not done at the level you think. I could be wrong about this so correct me if so but: my understanding of how ai music generators work is that the process of “running music through the ai machine” happens at the company level. That is to say that the company builds the ai, and then “trains” it by having it analyze tons of music. The user generating the track wouldn’t be the one to run the music through. Ive messed around a bit with ai music generators and from what i can tell they are text based, so the user enters a prompt of what they want the song to sound like and maybe adds lyrics and the ai generates the track based on the description. Every generator i have used has specifically had a rule where you cant enter “make a song that sounds like *insert artist name*”. Its one of the few rules for the ai and i haven’t been able to get it to break it (though its probably possible”). This doesn’t take away from the ethical concerns that are associated with ai music generation and regardless of the ability to request a specific artists sound, its still entirely possible to replicate music. There are many examples of ai use to generate covers of songs and the like but those are produced a bit differently. The ethical concerns still remain.
Id also like to say that i think one of the things this video makes the best arguement for is facebooks need to improve their algorithm that detects copyright infringement, or restructure how they handle copyright to have more human moderation, especially before punishing artists.
Its hard to tell where ai music is going to go but as a musician who has also dabbled in ai generated music my persoanl opinnion is that people are going to want human made music for forever, ai music is easy to make but like, ai images, leaves alot to be desired. Along with that, at what point is ai music going to be passed through other ai generators until there is an influx of ultra generic sounding music that is easily identifiable as ai produced. Like i said, lots of interesting questions but i believe real art will prevail.
Definitely you right happen to me last year that's the reason why my album was frozen 🫤😠
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Bringing survival-of-the-richest to music copyright
The world becomes more and more gross by the day
Who knows where this will all go! 10 years from now, surely it will be a different landscape! 🤷🏻♂️
PWCCA Is an honour to be mistaken as, it’s some of the best Techno around !! I first heard of him on Warmup Records
Very interesting video. This AI thing reminds me a little of the old sampling debate in that when using a sample in a new piece of music, when does that piece of music become different from the original? When does using someone's track pushed through an AI music generator does it become different? Personally, I think the AI thing is more sinister. Is very open for abuse by individuals and corporate companies, and I have problems with social media algorithms basically trolling your content. I think this problem will get larger until it implodes on itself.
Nice parallel to the sampling debate! I like that.
thanks for this video and for not taking it in the direction of hatred
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This is just rage and despair inducing as an artist. It just feels like these platforms and AI in general are such a hurtful waste of time for artists. It’s hard enough to make art and get a following, but to deal with this BS on top of it all… I just can’t. “New Mike” has more monthly listeners than I do. Yay.
I feel this. 😞
thanks < matths .... it shows the breakdown of the system
I'm not against AI at all, but this is clearly going to cause more and more problems for many of us artists especially when mixed with awful Content ID system which often gets stuff wrong. In my opinion the best way to fix this would be if the streaming platforms, including YT/TikTok etc, online stores and all distributors start using AI detection algorithms and clearly mark music tracks with a clear warning: 'Includes AI-generated content'. Doesn't mean it has to be removed etc, but at least potential listeners/buyers would be aware. Distributors though need to clamp down harder imo, this really should stop with them or at least place limitations... if they're going to allow AI generated music to be distributed through them, it should be necessary to disclose this truthfully by the artist (with a warning by the distributor that they risk losing their account etc) and if so, Content ID features should be disabled for those releases! Besides...Can you even copyright AI music? I know with artwork you cannot claim copyright on the artwork, so far.
Loads of great stuff to unpack in this. mate. Good questions/thoughts. I feel maybe another video might be in order to look at this all further. I definitely think that AI generated music should be clearly labelled somehow though. At least for now while we are going through this initial stage of AI generation which is going to be very very different in a few years time.
@@matthsmatthsmatths I agree mate, and eventually imo all content might have to be labelled as such. Facebook for instance has been minefield of AI image content for a while now, it's extremely hard to tell what is real and what is not - with tons of people being fooled, clearly we have this same issue with music and it'll get so much harder to tell the difference. I don't know if you've noticed, but already RUclips does ask the creator to disclose altered/AI content as part of their policy now and when you answer yes, it should add a disclosure in the description that says 'Altered or Synthetic content', though they don't seem to enforce it yet, at least they seem to be taking it seriously. Facebook/Meta certainly don't seem to give a damn yet either and so far the distributor I use (DistroKid) has nothing in place on their music upload page to disclose anything, and no change in their agreement you tick when submitting new music. I really hope this changes.
This is just rage and despair inducing as an artist. It just feels like these platforms and AI in general are such a hurtful waste of time for artists. It’s hard enough to make art and get a following, but to deal with this BS on top of it all… I just can’t.
Music is so cooked.
MATTHS is far nicer a human than I.
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The new mike is 100% AI artist, at least his content is made using AI. Also I would not feel to sure YT will consider your claim valid. It's governed by AI these days, so this is human vs AI vs AI. Glad I found this video because I have seen so many other artists being hit with copyright disputes that is clearly wrong. They are real original artists being accused of copying other "artists".
We are all getting hit with more and more copyright claims now on a regular basis. Last month I was hit for 15 seconds of drone in a live improvised recording! Don't assume you can win. I Disputed one claim couple of years ago and they upheld their copyright claim. The next step requires that i give out so much information that I was not happy with that. I know nothing about the company claiming the copyright yet I have to give everything including my inside leg measurement. I had to pull the video. AI as you say is here, so we have to learn live with it and possible somehow to manage it as it opens up to so much abuse as there will always be those out there that want to make the quick buck in any field of life.
Thats just crackers - a drone - sheeeeesh. Sounds like all this needs tightening up. I think there are more cleverer people like @BennJordan who are up on all this...
Yeah, Benn Jordan covered this sort of thing happening in a video he put out a few weeks ago.
It would be interesting to see if Benn's AI detector confirms on Mike's stuff
Oooh I'll check that out.
AI detector? Hmmm sounds interesting!
@@matthsmatthsmatths Oh uhh, I may have confused Benn's video with Venus Theory's video from two months ago - where Venus Theory got some copyright claims on his stuff in a similar way. But Benn's AI detector is also relevant to the discussion!
Yes yes and yes
Nicely put.
Welcome to the "Agentic Age"
Whats that? *googles*
FYI “The New Mike” has changed his profile picture. Wonder if this is one of the Spotify-owned AI profiles.
Hmm interesting 🤔
@@matthsmatthsmatths Yeah changed to a Chinese looking profile to throw us off the scent? Lol, anyway. Honestly, although I'm far from a vinyl guy, I think the answer to this is pressing your own stuff and selling it out the back of a van like we used to in the 90s.
The copyright detection algorithms are not fit for purpose. Maybe you've seen Starsky Carr's video where he talks about getting copyright strikes for showing filter sweeps. Though The New Mike is definitely using AI for the cats, so it would be reasonable to assume the music is also AI. Though that brings up a truth in advertising issue. If "he" isn't really making music, is some corporation lying to us?
Ill check Starskys video for sure. I wonder if AI generated music/images needs to be clearly labelled going forward?!
@@matthsmatthsmatths They should definitely be labeled. With images they could just put a little watermark in one corner or something.
One issue: AI generated content cannot be copyright under US law. No one publishing AI content should ever receive the benefits of a copyright strike. If I were to train an AI on just your music, then anything I created would necessarily infringe your copyrights, because the only things it could create are things it copied from you.
Maybe getting copyright strikes will be the norm for the future of creative talents :( What I find disturbing is the ease of anyone just reproducing music at a click of a button, its the unfortunate reality of today. I really enjoy creating music as a hobby and understand the time/effort it takes to produce. It just feels so wrong that anyone can just grab your music and abuse it just to make money (cough.. Fake Mike!). I'm hoping that people will just get bored of AI and its just a curiosity lol here's to high hopes.
Imagine where we will be in 2-3 years time with all of this!
The titles of New Mike's songs look very dubious. Totally nondescript and formulaic. 🤔
It's a scam and indeed a side-hustle for more and more shady individuals. They're usually behind some vpn and will be difficult to track down.
What you mentioned in the end about starting to churn out your "own" AI-generated content; I have seen some of this happening with a few artists. From 3 or 4 albums a year they suddenly have a new one every month, then every week and even faster, while the actual originality went out of the window. I stopped following those "artists".
I just can’t imagine doing AI albums. Of artists are doing this then it really has become more about content than music.
If what you’re alleged to have copied wasn’t produced/published until after your ‘offending’ content, you probably want to confirm that first (for each snippet) and MAKE A POINT OF THIS FACT (with the relevant dates comparisons) in your dispute … Extra work, but can only increase the chances of a positive outcome …
Brilliant. Noted and thanks 👍🏻
I don't think this is an AI issue. but rather a bad audio detection algorithm.
You could be right, but The New Mikes profile appears to be totally AI created. So who knows
The World is a weird place nowadays, you’re more likely to be persecuted whilst being innocent. Who needs the mental stress of this kind of thing.
Now I get the name Meta, copies others work then spits out AI variations then claims ownership of others property.
It's AI, there's thousands of accounts pumping out thousands of tracks per hour, statistically if they are generating techno there's a good chance that eventually it will generate something that sounds like yours, it's already a major problem and other musicians have come across the same problem, it needs a permanent solution, even something simple like comparing the date a piece of music first appears
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It seems its more than likely META causing the issue here, not the artists personally claiming rights. IF this is the case, I would open a law suite against their copyright AI system for causing stress and trying to steam your money, wasting your (work)time etc (if its happening to you, its happening everywhere I am sure you'll find loads of people to join you in the suite)
Nice words - thats got me thinking.... not sure I am ready for a lawsuit. I cant seem to see if there is any progress in the claim dispute I made - which is annoying.
@@matthsmatthsmatths sad thing is, until people go after the algo's causing these issues, its just going to continue for everyone. I mean, just the fact they are calling you a thief (when most of those artist released after you..a simple check on their end would have stopped that),And trying to steal your work for their own, including your earnings...I am going to say it is illegal on many fronts and should be dealt with in a court of law. I would love to know just how many man hours are wasted by artists dealing with all these fake claims. I think if you are falsely accused of a crime, they should pay a fine or spend some time in jail (wasting the courts and justice systems time).
I think if you got enough artists who have had these issues all sign a petition, and move on from there.
Question is how these strikes occur…is it money laundering?
I disagree with the accepting AI, this issue stops your usual routine - making music posting etc. AI is a facsimile machine and so if streaming platforms can’t be bothered to hire flesh and blood to copyright proof new streams you may have half the answer there.
I mean you may be at a time in your musical journey where it’s time to take your music out of the streaming playroom and take it to the next level?
I’d like to see a positive outcome for your personal music and human progression.
Good luck on your journey
The person will not have uploaded your music, the ai model will have been trained on videos from social media and RUclips along with metadata. The person will have just asked the ai to create a techno track and it just happened to use part of your track. I think it will be interesting to see what changes to copyright will be forced in the next few years. Copyright will become a right mess with circular claims from ai generated content against other ai generated tracks together with original artists and labels. And as you alluded to picking up, common sound presets and classing them as copyright infringement. It's a nightmare waiting to happen.
It’s obviously happening and by doing so it’s choking the last bastion of creative arts 🤐❤️
Just had a look at this 'the new mike' (what kinda names that anyway?) Sounds AI generated to me, its all over the place track to track and all just sounds dead flat.
Hey: little tech question : How did you copy songs that were released (2024) after your video (2022) ?
Do you have some kind of time-travelling device?
Is it modular?
Can I use it? I'd like to win last week's lottery.
Where we’re going … we don’t need roads. It’s called a flux capacitor. 😉
Fully fake Mike 🤣 My inner gear nerd was subcontiosly puzzled looking at those synths on a picture and you started saying about that ... Very interesting and funny (in a way, in general, that circle of life...... and I'm sorry of course you've been AI-ed). Is there a way to listen your original stream that got a strike?
The circle of life indeed - has a new meaning. Yeah you can find the jam on my RUclips channel - check it out! Its here ruclips.net/user/livel18knzKCGAo
So the answer is no they are just using a terrible algo to detect copyrighted stuff
How to say you didn't watch the second half of the video 😅
So tired of Ai content.
Don't worry - its actually me talking and not AI 😉
I'm tired of the accessibility of self-releasing music. I'd rather miss a few gems here and there and be spared the monumental avalanche of mediocre crap (human or AI-generated).
@@substance90. Yeah, the ‘democratisation’ of music has similar problems to the political/voting system … 😏🙃 No wonder Socrates didn’t like democracy …
If i was aiied ,i would be flattered if someone could ai it . It would mean they knew me wich means im famous.