Testing a REAL NASCAR Pit Gun! A Farewell to 5-Lug Pitstops
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With the new NASCAR CUP series starting, there are some changes to these 2022 cars. For us ugga dugga nerds, the biggest of all being no more 5-lug per wheel pit stops with the thunderous pit guns blaring away. So as a send off, we test a classic Ingersoll Rand Thunder Gun Pit gun made for the famous lightning quick pit stops. Big thanks to Jonathon Faught for sending us this brand new example!
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Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool 
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damn straight. you got that right.
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@@LogieD223 They put my wife to sleep like a charm. Basically a public service at this point!
sorry but until you build a test rig for it I just don't know how much I can buy what you're saying
Petition to update the sfx on the "subscribe" insert to recordings you take of this pit gun
Using THOR [or any high torque gun] on 1/2 inch lug nuts would most likely strip them.
The Nascar gun limited torque in favor of speed. Notice where it sits at the 2-second mark in each test. 25% higher than its nearest competitor.
Absolutely
Yeah the whole point is it hits the removal and installation torque of its target fastener quicker than anything. No need for extra bulk or power.
Nascar Cup racers use (or used) 5/8-18 wheels studs, not 1/2".
That was the point of the video captain.
It was definitely engineered with a specific fastener and a specific torque in mind. Very good at one thing.
Dude ... I need that thunder gun 😳
My guy, I bought an Ingersoll Rand 1/2" electric impact and it'll break your arm if you aren't careful. Claims 1500ft/lbs break away and I definitely feel it. No need for air tools anymore!
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@@BriarHood I can hold that back with a 1/2" wrench
@@BriarHood lol one time I borrowed my buddy’s Milwaukee M18 1/2 inch and I went to use it one handed in my off hand at an angle and that sucker twisted my wrist like it was nothing lol I was alright tho
Calm down Francis!!!
You can Buy them
I bought the "street legal" version of this gun many years ago when I was first starting as a tech. LOUD is understatement. My brother worked in a building over a mile away from the shop I worked in and when our bay doors were open he always knew when I was working.
Lol, a mile? Really? Geez
Lies again? Gun Oil Blood Of Malay
I used ruclips.net/user/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
hell yes cant wait to see you get your hands on the f1 tools
I'd imagine F1 is in a new league of pricing compared to this
Keep counting... I'll tell you when to stop$$$
Paoli wheel guns are intense. But they also need some seriously high pressure to run. No clue if our TTC boys have the necessary equipment to run them at full power
About €9,000. 350 PSI for those wondering at home.
@@EvLSpectre its just diving bottles. It's the same kit that does air jacks.
0:38 aluminum rims can't handle the inconsistent torque that steel rims could. On steel rims as long as they were tight you were good to go, even if opposing lug nuts were 50+ ft lbs different
We ran aluminum and magnesium three piece wheels in the grand-am series with these guns, not saying that they tolerated the torque inconsistencies better, I agree with you on the disadvantages, but they would stand up quite well for racing. We would have issues with wearing out the seats in the wheel faces from the steel lug nuts slamming to a stop on the faces before anything else, having to use a wire brush on a drill to clean out the old glue that held the lug nuts in place before the wheel was mounted to the car also accelerated wear on the seats. The reason why NASCAR forced the GT cars to run five lug setups in the first place is a much longer and deeper dive into racing series politics than worth getting into. Anyway the aluminum wheels would last several seasons but were treated as consumables just as the steel wheels were treated in the NASCAR stock car series. There was a batch of wheels that had cracking spokes but they were quite frankly being used by a team well past when they should have been retired and scrapped in order to save money, the manufacturer of that particular wheel did correct for the weakness in the spokes with an updated design but all the teams running the new designs were extra careful inspecting for a while until they were proven to be safe.
Aluminum is just so easy to work harden (means bending them once could compromise integrity because the more they bend the harder the alloy becomes and cracks will appear) unlike steel that has higher plastic deformation values where aluminum simply stretches too much or worse break off (say conrods)
This is an awesome example of an OG pit gun! You can see how the purpose-built Thunder Gun really is. Makes the beans in fractions of a second where split seconds always count. You don't need that in a regular shop environment, where longevity matters. Awesome to finally see some numbers on this pit gun. A huge "Thank You!" to Jonathan Fought, who was able to give you guys the shot you needed for this test! Have a good one!🏎🏎
Street legal thundergun was my first impact! Everyone in the shop hated it so much but I loved that sound!
Me: Make sure you torque those wheels to the right spec.
NASCAR: Burp burp burp...
Sounds like discount tire. Bet all those boys just play pretend nascar with my lugs
Seeing a lot of comments about "...if you don't torque down multi-lug aluminum wheels evenly..." as the reason why NASCAR 'had to' switch to single nut wheels when they went to 18" - but GT/touring car racing, such as the IMSA Michelin Pilot Challenge series, still exists guys and they use multi-lug aluminum 18" wheels. And they typically have multiple pit stops per race that include tire changes using nothing more than an impact, no torque wrench in sight. And many series still race the high banks of Daytona(...for part of the lap on the road course...), with that immense side loading of the wheel & tire.
That's not mentioning all of the street cars out there on big aluminum wheels, with lug nuts that were just zipped on with an uga duga gun, no torque wrench to be found. And they typically don't even get checked for 10s of thousands of miles, most of us just take that stuff for granted.
The whole "aluminum will fail if not torqued evenly" claim is feeling pretty weak.
NASCAR wants that $$$ and that is the sole reasonable reason. And they are different on their own compared to other track/circuit racing so...
@@ruikazane5123 What money and how dose NASCAR benefit from this? NASCAR has just joined the 20th century with the new car. They were the last major racing series in the world that still use steel wheels, and five lugs.
@@Hazel-the-Amazon "New" is how. New regulations. New rules. And anything new costs money and they would not do this unless they can recoup it in one way or another
@@ruikazane5123 They recoup it by viewership. By people thinking NASCAR isn't an ancient series. By people not switching over to F1 or another sport. The cost of selling alloys and equipment, if NASCAR ever saw a dime (unlikely) would be almost nothing compared to the viewership they would gain or lose over a change like this. And from what I've seen NASCAR fans are incredibly excited over the change and viewership is likely to spike from it.
Its the same moving from a live axle to independent suspension, people just didn't feel NASCAR was in touch anymore so NASCAR remedied that for more viewership, again to the excitement of fans.
@@olivialambert4124 Nah lol real nascar fans didn't "want" that or care one bit about it really
See if you can get your hands on the Joe Gibbs racing impacts that got banned a few years ago. Made every team have to use the same and or unmodded impacts.
Yup there were a few teams that were building their own impacts wild stuff
Millions of dollars in R&D - for single race org's impact guns...
Everyone complained about NASCAR "being lame" or whatever when the spec rule came in... but, seriously, millions of dollars into impact gun R&D, that's pretty sick from the nerdy gearhead's perspective(mine), but it sure as hell isn't great for attracting new teams to a sanctioning bodies' series. Any sanctioning body with half a brain would do something about that, it just plain isn't good for business(no one is showing up to the races to see the new Gibbs impact, so there's no real value in this for NASCAR).
@@RyTrapp0 I wonder if it couldn't be harvested, for the greater good of everyone... 🤔
There really is something to be said about the competitive spirit and drive of us, more specifically when paired with the ego of those who have millions of dollars.
So perhaps allowing this unhinged spending, with the catch that they're only allowed the exclusive use of it for one (two?) year(s) after debuting, at which point:
#1 The competitors all gain access to it, or perhaps to the design and specs, but maybe leaving manufacture left to each individual. The process is shared, just this like specific metallurgy or adhesives might be open. Same to be said for refinements. All of this would drive further competition to improve upon what's already made, all to better everyone in the long run.
#2 More importantly, after... 3? years, such tech must make its way to the consumer space in some way. Either through the R&D financer's own company products, or licensing of it. Similarly, it cannot be one-off/limited-run or unobtanium in price. A sort of reverse of the old NASCAR policy of only racing what you sell to the public. (As for "who" has to bring this tech to market, the initial team or any team using it, is up for debate; if the former though, any substantial improvements would obviously merit that team meet the same requirement).
In sure there's been similar already tried, or that there are plenty of flaws still in what I've said, but the point is to try and encourage that hey-day of Formula racing innovation, whilst not making it unfair for those who have the biggest financial backers.
As close to "have your cake and eat it, too" as possible.
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A unique sound from a unique tool, for a once unique sport. A noise that will forever be iconic to the very concept of cars to an entire generation of enthusiasts. Another way NASCAR will never be the same sport people fell in love with...
Way more interesting than I thought. Very well engineered for it's designed purpose.
Yes, do the F1 gun.
TTC never disappoints. They always make interesting content.
I'm a mechanic on a GT3 race team and we just recently got 2 paolis (the ones with the bias switch on top) and man those things rip our single lugs on and off with no problems, it's pretty insane
5-lug pitstops will always be welcome in my driveway. And take 3 hours...
I don’t know how I ended up here, but damn am I happy I did. Hope this channel blows up, great content as always!
Goes to show how dynamic torque is more important than max torque most of the time. Rusted parts being the exception.
Yup, well if speed is your goal.
Well rusted parts being basically the only reason you need high power at all (outside big trucks and large scale construction) that’s quite a big exception, definitely not the case most of the time. speed doesn’t matter at all in any application I can think of other than racing so really dynamic would be the exception and max torque the rule
@@CarbonatedGravy Actually there is another place you want dynamic torque and that's aviation. A lot of the stuff we deal with isn't under the same amount of torque and with some things you end up having to take out a lot of fasteners. I've had panels and fairings I've pulled off that had me taking out hundreds upon hundreds of screws. It is in this case I prefer speed every time because even if whatever tool I'm using does not have the torque I'll go through and break it loose by hand so I can come in and zip everything off.
Given the NASCAR gun is only intended for 1 second applications - I’d say best of the lot.
damn this felt like an episode of forgotten weapons lmao
You should make a test that has pre torqued studs with lug nuts and then get a speed socket to really see what that impact can do
Hell yeah, you actually got your hands on one. This is awesome, can't wait to see what else you manage to find.
It'd also be cool to see how these run on nitrogen, especially if you get a Paoli gun and you can retest this one in the same video.
I love this channel, thanks to you I'll be switching from my stubby Aircat to an Astro Onyx Nano and also be picking up an Astro Onyx Thor for a full size gun.
Best channel on RUclips. 👍
Everything stops when your video drops.
This is awesome! Great content as always
Loved the “reverse” dyno runs - starting with a tightened nut. 👍
Wow that pit gun looked violent when testing. Almost needed a 2nd grab point to help with wrist fatigue.
It is a bit violent, running it you would use your support hand around the body to guide it and help support the weight.
You need to cut off every other corner of a 12pt socket to make a nascar-ish socket.
Pin a spring inside for even more resemblance.
Man I love this channel
So no surprise there. It does what it was made for. It's optimized for being quick, not ultimate torque. The bolts on a race car are usually not rusted stuck... ;)
Love my IR thunder gun! I have the 232tgti, it's probably 15-20 years old and still works like a champ.
I’ve had no interest in any kind of power tools until discovering this channel it’s so cool and interesting how’d I get here
It's interesting that your Outro screen is showing all LH thread bolts and nuts. Excellent comparison and build on the IR. I'm glad you guys showed up. With Real Tool Reviews falling off the map, you were needed here! Cheers! Zip~
Our reverse tests are left hand threads:)
Love it! Pissed off more than ever.
Ingersoll-Rand...such a legend on air powered tools alone and then this. Might just dream when I could get one because I know it's futile
Great episode!
Cool to see. Thanks guys
Yeah the Astro salesmanship just ain’t quit anymore for me dawg
My dad owned a garage for a long time. He said long ago they used their 1/2" gun a lot and had their air turned up to 150 or 160. He said they had to rebuild the guns occasionally. When I became aware of their tools they had several 1/2" CP guns and a 3/8" IR gun.
I do this at home. I have a little baby wurth gun that I regret buying. If I need to crack something tight I'll set the compressor pressure from 110 psi to 170 psi and piss the neighbours off. Certainly won't do that with lug nuts though 😂
Y'all never disapoint
God, I love this channel
Truly fascinating.
Now we can't go to the race a play pit stop challenge. That was fun to watch people try to use a sort of pit gun.
Do you think you guys would test cordless ratchets? It probably wouldn't be that exciting but I'd like to see if claims match actual torque. If so I'd like to send a snapon
Idk what it is about that tool, but the idea of being used on racecars and just looking cool makes it so sexy.
Nothing beats Air
Remarkable video !
Super Cool !!!
I'd love to have one of these old guns!
I'm not going to say anything anout my company but we get ingersol rand impacts for industrial applications all the time. The dealer rep knew I drive asphalt latemodels and that I go to races where we have live green flag pit stops so he gifted me 4 nascar pit guns and man it's so nice. I run two of them off of bottles with nitrogen in it so that way you can fill tires with nitrogen and run the guns off the compressed nitrogen bottles. My volunteer pit crew loved it we ran live pit stop practice in my driveway and we got it down to 15 seconds all 4 tires with wide 5 hubs. That self aligning socket we use makes huge difference so you don't gotta lift off the trigger
Very cool video. Thank you!!! 👍👍👍
All about that instant power thrust
I have a high rpm 3/8" gun at work for my half inch guns fail I use it. Stuff like sway bar link nuts and strut top nuts ect.
Thank You !
That was a fantastic video! Thank you guys very much for all you do. 🙏
I love this channel...
mac at one time sold a nascar lug socket that was made in-house. the nascar socket isn't a true 6 point, more like a 6 point spline drive like
GP 1/4 in drive impact sockets inside
Pit crews use special sockets not like a normal impact socket. You don't have to be perfectly lined up with the nut. At least that's what I've been told.
The nascar torque gun is tuned most likely to not over torque the lugs... but to get them to spec immediately
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Thank you
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
Changing to a single lug sucks. Part of the wild card part of NASCAR was the lug man doing his job correctly & quickly. It could mean the difference in he messed up & that's just human.
Well, at least will still hear the Italian guns in the Xfinity and Truck series. Then when Nascar mandated that gun a few teams started playing around with the gasses and then Nascar had to regulate the gas.
just noticed at 2:53 the third lug the tech slams home fucin *sparks.* thats nuts
I thought these guns were powered by nitrogen in NASCAR? Compressed nitrogen would cause this gun to be a very different animal.
Compressed nitrogen at these same PSI levels, but yes. The air density is pretty similar, as our air is close to 80% nitrogen.
Hell yeah test the f1 hytorque wireless 16k ft/lb impact gun
And now i want one of those
But theyre saying the reason for the uni-nut is for safety, cuz its impossible to get all 5 nuts torqued to spec in that short of time,..
And can cause rims to warp and tire wear..
They say a lot of things :P
They had teams "tightening" only 4 of 5 [and 3 of 5] lug nuts.
Races were won and lost by some [and others] taking chances that affect the entire field.
@@stans5270 Not just the field, but the spectators too. A loose wheel on the track has been fatal in more than one incident in the past. But the single nut is no guarantee that won't happen.
@@jdinnis ya picked a fine time to leave me loosewheeeel
For what it is that things extremely impressive
4/28 - 3 left in stock at 44% off! Down from 399 to 221
Back in the late 90's and early 2000's I worked for Indy Racing League and Quality Assurance Corp doing Non-Destructive Testing. IRL was using the single nut style wheels all along. Seems like those teams were running their N2 bottle regulators pretty high. Since NDT was a free service to the teams, a few of them would literally bring us everything we had the capability to test. Wheels, Gear Sets, A-Arms, Uprights, etc. Pretty much all the metal parts of the car. A few teams brought us the hubs form the impact motors they used (the part that the vanes slot into). A lot of these had the area between the vanes machined out to make them lighter (theoretically spin up faster?). Most of the ones they brought us (machined or not) were cracked. I don't know how hot they were running these things, but they took a beating, even just having to remove one nut per wheel.
If you ever feel like doing a video about this work, I'm sure a lot of folks would be interested to see it.
Great video, I especially like the breakdown to see the internals. This illustrated why I always hated working in shops where guys had the street legal and had to brap it all the time. Loud yes, powerful? Meh. I still have my original Mac composite gun from the early 00s. Made in Japan precursor to the qtimax stuff, found its first real match with the new Milwaukee 18v full size guns. Thanks for the honesty in testing.
Got obliterated by Milwaukee 18v
You oughta test torque limiting extensions
You guys have to test out the new metabo HPT flexvolt impact driver. I just bought one and I'm dying to know the specs!
I bought a Thor based on your tests. Even on less than ideal hoses and fittings....it's a beast.
Try buying another one, I want one for home and work. I should have bought two when they were available!
And he says the pit gun is basically not available for purchase, but showcasing one himself...
@@disgruntledegghead6923 in the vid we mentioned we borrowed this from someone who worked with them
@@TorqueTestChannel Two days later, but you still don't answer the question I asked about reparing air tools.
Borrowed is right...
@@disgruntledegghead6923 Your name suits you well
Interesting that Formula 1 is also getting larger wheels, going from 13" to 18" this year. Have had single lugs forever, with guns powerful enough to rip your arm off (or strip the splines of the nut.)
Oh man to see you guys rock a nitro tank would be on the level of excessive that most men only dream to be at. In other word I confidently speak for many when I say, oh f- ya man, bring on the F1 goodies. Bet you'd be the only one on the tube to actually test one
its about impact when at speed
u get like 0.01sec impact and already loosen up the bolt
Yesss!!
Thunder guns are cool af
Looks like you should add the time-to-loosen to your tests.
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Very curious to see in the Pit Lane if the times for pit stop have changed because of the single nut, versus the old five nut change.
They will be slightly faster but there are still inevitable obstacles to overcome that will keep them around 10 seconds fueling being the biggest one
They played around with the speed of the new single lug impacts to make the times roughly equal
Just got a 232tgti, it's a titanium housing with a 7 vane motor, it sounds wicked. Wanna torque test it?
I’m sure some of the issue is the air pressure but I wonder how much of it is by design as to not over torque and snap/strip studs
What specifically defines ‘Street legal’ vs ‘Not Street legal’ in the world of impacts?
Any way you could test hydraulic impacts? They claim big numbers, but they also require a hydraulic system to run.
Would require a new test rig. Many of those are capable of insane torque with huge fasteners. Usually they come with reaction devices.
@@seitenryu6844 They make 1/2" drive hydraulics and claim about 500 ft lbs. The 3/4" drive units claim about 1,200 ft lbs max. Either of those would be totally within their test rig capability.
So.. correct me if i’m wrong here but is this not what we saw with the w7152? Massive dynamic torque out of the gate but plateau once it hits the 500ftpd mark as if it’s saying “this is all you should need in a 1/2 gun” ?
Some people have never watched DTM / BTCC / F1 all these use aluminium alloy or magnesium wheels with single a Center nut. Also people don’t understand physics a 30-32kg 18” steel wheel going 150+mph coming off is going to be a lethal weapon that WILL rip thought the fence and walls
Yeah, but plenty of previous IMSA and current Pirelli and GT World Challenge cars and GT4 cars running 5 lug aluminum 18" wheels without issue for years.
Just wondering what it would do running on nitrogen like in nascar
I wonder how much torque those nascar 5 lugs get to in a real pit stop?
Put the 9ah ryobi battery on the P262 for the average power list
I have no need for a thunder gun yet I really want one.
Hi! please can you test impact pen driver? like
hikoki wh7dl,
makita TD022D
Panasonic EZ7521
DCPL-7215
i am realy ecided to see this.
Any idea how many db it is? I guess a bit more than a battery impact.
So… What’s the wrist breaking score on that bad boy?
it's oddly similar to those cheap guns you get in lidle i think there called parkside, no sorry i think there called Sealey SA2 Air Impact Wrench
Idk. Great video, but i'm not really a fan of the swap. I enjoyed the 5 lug pit stops. Seems like more of a challenge. I get that the uni-lug is faster, but watching put crews work was always hugely entertaining. F1 stops just aren't as fun.
My coworker has a legit thunder gun, like straight from nascar, don't know how he got it but it's there and it's loud like deafening loud
try out the TMG 20V Max Cordless Impact Wrench Kit, Brushless, High Torque. off Amazon
If you are buying one… send it by TTC first and let them test it out. Would be another great opportunity to get something tested. Heck you could even return it and get your money back if you don’t like how it performs when they test it. Lol
Dude….I need one. I could save valuable seconds on my next break job.
I know IR was a NASCAR sponsor for decades before the Thunder Gun.
Anyone know what guns the crews used before the Thunder Gun?
I wonder why they didn't sell the real NASCAR version TG?
I get that they would not want to warranty it but I bet they could have sold a few even without a warranty.
Have you all tried porting the Thor unit yet?
T in = FpKD. Short form of the preload equation.