I play this same euphonium in my high school band. I have the leaking valves problem, but the 4th valve cap is still there surprisingly. The horn itself seems smaller and doesn’t have as deep a sound as say a Wilson. Great sounding horn, and it’s a joy to play
This is my husband's dream instrument, preferably with a front facing bell. he says the original mouthpiece shank size is a "Euro" size between a small and large. The horn you demonstrated has been upsized to a more popular , and available size. a common change.
You really do deserve more subscribers, Trent. I've learned so much about brass instruments since I first watched one of your videos. Haven't stopped watching since.
Really good to see a besson new standard on the channel. I had an old Bb tuba from the early 70s in my parent's attic for 20 years and finally sold it last year to some guy on the internet. I regretted selling that thing almost immediately.
I play one of these and I recognize a lot of your comments. I have played it since 1993 and it works for me! Of course fun with new Bessons, but I find those a bit expensive as long as my horn still works. Thanks for the video!
I have this exact instrument. I was looking to buy a euphonium but have little money and found one in pawn shop in Sydney. It has a European size mouthpiece, and yes has the dribble problem too. All the slides work and the valves, with their funny upsidesown pot plant caps work brilliantly for an instrument of its age. It be vv re seems to need valve oil. I love this Instrument.
I have the same euphonium from the same age at my home. I got it from an old guy who had it in his storage. it still almost in a state that it looks new. onley a bit rusty. you play nice euphonium by the way.
Great fun Trent! The instrument sounds wonderful despite it's age. The leaking valve bottoms are a frequent issue with that configuration; I have the same issue with my Packer 377 EEb tuba. There is a water gutter attachment that can be ordered here: www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/accessories/water-gutter/, (and probably elsewhere) but most people I know just tolerate it. You commented about the "Chinesium" metal of some knock-off horns (LMAO). That was truer in the past, but the horns manufactured now for sale in USA out of the Jin Bao factory in Tianjin China, for example for Packer, Mack Brass, and probably Wessex, use brass equivalent to what I have on my Yamaha. In fact, the Brass band I play in, the euphonium players both use the newer Mack Brass euphonium and it sounds, plays and feels as good as my Yamaha. Anyway, thanks for an informative video!
I've got a New Standard Euph of similar vintage, but a bit older, and it's a terrific euph!! the valves are a bit heavy but it compares very favourably with more modern euphoniums. I look forward to testing it out on the concert/contest stage once the lock-down in Wales is lifted.
This is the Besson version of the Boosey and Hawkes Imperial. Different factories both owned by B&H. Valves were different. You are right, this was originally a medium shank mouthpiece fitting between trombone and bass trombone. In younger days my colleague played on one of these and I played an Imperial.
I have a Boosey&Hawkes Sovereign euphonium from 1979 and I have the same experience with valves and slides. I can let it lay arounf for two or three weeks without touching it, but when I pick it up the valves and slides work like normal. And the use of 'actual metal', as you described prefectly, and the thickness and sturdy construction of these instruments mean that they have a very full sound and it's pretty difficult to damage them. Someone once knocked over my Sovereign... nothing on the instrument. No scratches, no dents, nothing. The tuning issues can get quite annoying but as you said, they are easily solvable. It's a shame these instruments are pretty rare, because in a lot of ways they are on par with the pro instruments made these days.
Amazing. It's like looking my own horn in the mirror, except mine is stamped "Sterling" and the braces on the slides' tubing are straight instead of U's. I've never been able to figure out what model it is, even armed with the serial number.
Thank you very much for making this video! I have recently come across one of these horns and decided to buy it, and your video was very helpful! I don't know if mine has that valve leaking problem because it has a water gutter on the three valves blocked together as well as on the 4th valve trigger.
for the valves draining on you - you need a grime gutter. it's a little tube that clips on the bottom of the valves. it collects all the water so it dosent go on ur clothes. Ben
Hi Trent,I have the same Euphonium as you but in Hi Pitch.Will a half inch extension pipe on the lead pipe take it down to 440?Also any thoughts on the Jupiter JEP 1020?Dunedin is enjoying snow on the hlls this morning.
I played a Besson from about that period in high school in the late 1970s and loved it. And yes, a compensating euphonium is heavy, which is why I liked my 1972 Getzen bell front baritone (which I still own) for marching. It's definitely a shame to have a Besson euphonium sitting in someone's storage space unplayed, They are truly classic instruments.
Hey Trent, greetings from USA. I'm a trombonist and I love your videos. I play a large number of instruments regularly (both small and large bore tenor trombone, bass trombone, euphonium, and tuba) and find I have an unusually tough time switching to the small bore trombone I have (1970s King 3B) and I was wondering if you could make a video on the technique differences between small and large bore trombones. I started on large bore tenor and picking up the others in the list was relatively easy for me, but small bore has definitely been more difficult and I feel that I'm not getting the full potential out of the instrument. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Keep up the great work. ~Michael
It's not about convenience; euphoniums that have the valve to the side are "compensating euphoniums," which means that their tubing is slightly different and more in tune in the lower register. Using a non-compensating 4-valve euphonium may even be a little more comfortable sometimes (for me, at least), but playing in the lower register becomes much more difficult and you have to use your lips and weird valve positions to change the notes you play. Basically, a compensating euphonium has an extra little bit of tubing on each of the first 3 valves. When the fourth valve is pushed down, it diverts the air into those little bits of tubing for each of the other 3 valves, bringing down the pitch just a bit.
Non-compensating horns with the 4th valve on the side are rare, but they do exist. I want to say Wilson has or had a model like that but I can't find it, although they do have a horn with 4 in line front action valves like a compensating version of an upright bell King 2268. There is a plastic euph that has a non-compensating 4th valve on the side. I've heard a few people say they prefer the 4th on the side but my experience is limited to in line top action valves and the front action King 2266, since I don't think of myself as a good enough player (nor do I have a big enough wallet) to want a compensating horn. Yes, the standard 4th valve is a little rough on the pinky, but I think with enough practice, the pinky will be get stronger and it'll feel more comfortable..
you are missing the spit collector on the bottom of the valves. most compensating Euphoniums with protrusions at the bottom of the valves come with a spit collector
Trent Hamilton , I have a 1960's Besson and it came with a spit collector. It seems like a huge oversight by the manufacturers to make a leaky instrument without some 'compensation'.
Where can I find the Variations on the Carnival of Venice in bass clef? (I play euphonium and I can read treble, but I would prefer to have it in bass.)
Hey Trent! I'm a university level eupho player and brass bander but to this day I don't know how to tune my euph to get it bang in tune (with combinations of tuning slides and the like). Could you make a video on this?! Billy
I have the same model from the same time except it only has 3 valves with a compensating system for the 3rd valve that wraps around the front, I will say its the best euphonium ive played and the spit from the valves thing is the same for me, also mine is a large shank/bore reciver as well so it may not be an addition
I play one of these, but it looks aged. It was assumed to be the worst compensating Euphonium at our school, however it was recently discovered that these instruments are really nice quality.
I'm using a Besson euphonium identical to yours. I have all the same issues as well as these: the support on the lead pipe is busted, the hold-down on the fourth valve is missing, and the main tuning slide lower tubing is broken off from its sliding tubes (below where the cross bar holds the two sliding tubes together). I want to know if you feel me purchasing it for $1200 USD is worth it. Would I ever be able to resell it? Would it be worth keeping?
Regular 3 valve baris are easy to march with. Its the heavier 4 valve ones i wouldnt fancy marching with. Id definately invest in a harness to march with a euph lol
Nitpicking... but late 2min's you say "converted into a large bore" (and then repeat something very similar) - but strictly speaking you're talking about it being converted to take large-shank mouthpieces. The bore-size (measured at the valveblock, usually) hasn't changed.
This is kind of funny. I just started using I think that exact model that I'm borrowing from my college, and that horn looks the same, and has some similar problems. I find that interesting.
Trent, a channel used the video of you dropping the contrabass. It was the channel epic laughs in a video called expensive fails 💸💰 extremely expensive damages.
Trent Hamilton here is some music for single valve g bugles. historical-drum-corps-publications.blogspot.com/2006/03/slingerland-complete-instructive-manual.html
I like the whole "old instruments were made out of metal." thing. Makes me think what would happen if you were to make a brass instrument out of some ridiculous metal, like Tungsten Carbide or H13 Tool Steel.
We have 2 of the same age and era 4 valve baritones in our storage. They both need a lot of work to bring up to a playable standard, if thats even possible. How am i supposed to justify spending hundreds on them if they still sound crap in the end lol
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If you just made a video of you saying "England" over and over I would be happy.
Cleinmenschtein Would be a bit of a change from "New Zealand"
How many times?
Trent Hamilton As many as it takes, baby.
I play this same euphonium in my high school band. I have the leaking valves problem, but the 4th valve cap is still there surprisingly. The horn itself seems smaller and doesn’t have as deep a sound as say a Wilson. Great sounding horn, and it’s a joy to play
This is my husband's dream instrument, preferably with a front facing bell. he says the original mouthpiece shank size is a "Euro" size between a small and large. The horn you demonstrated has been upsized to a more popular , and available size. a common change.
You really do deserve more subscribers, Trent. I've learned so much about brass instruments since I first watched one of your videos. Haven't stopped watching since.
After a lot of "How bad is it?" Malophiaphones it's nice to hear a good horn and some expert playing.
Thanks
I play the same euph in college!!! Great horn with great projection, but some spotty intonation. Cool!!
Really good to see a besson new standard on the channel. I had an old Bb tuba from the early 70s in my parent's attic for 20 years and finally sold it last year to some guy on the internet. I regretted selling that thing almost immediately.
I played a new Besson Euphonium from 1970-73. It leaked back then, too. Still, it was a wonderful horn. I would love to have one today.
I play one of these and I recognize a lot of your comments. I have played it since 1993 and it works for me! Of course fun with new Bessons, but I find those a bit expensive as long as my horn still works. Thanks for the video!
That is a nice sounding instrument, one of my favorite sounding that you've played so far.
Its an excellent instrument here in the salvation army in São Paulo -Brasil we have the same euphonium and works excellent
I have this exact instrument. I was looking to buy a euphonium but have little money and found one in pawn shop in Sydney. It has a European size mouthpiece, and yes has the dribble problem too. All the slides work and the valves, with their funny upsidesown pot plant caps work brilliantly for an instrument of its age. It be vv re seems to need valve oil. I love this Instrument.
I have the same euphonium from the same age at my home. I got it from an old guy who had it in his storage. it still almost in a state that it looks new. onley a bit rusty. you play nice euphonium by the way.
Pelle Van Esch hello from a fellow euphonium player!
ShowingSummer I'm sorry to disapoint you, but I'm a bastrombone who on ocasion plays euphonium.
Great fun Trent! The instrument sounds wonderful despite it's age. The leaking valve bottoms are a frequent issue with that configuration; I have the same issue with my Packer 377 EEb tuba. There is a water gutter attachment that can be ordered here: www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/accessories/water-gutter/, (and probably elsewhere) but most people I know just tolerate it.
You commented about the "Chinesium" metal of some knock-off horns (LMAO). That was truer in the past, but the horns manufactured now for sale in USA out of the Jin Bao factory in Tianjin China, for example for Packer, Mack Brass, and probably Wessex, use brass equivalent to what I have on my Yamaha. In fact, the Brass band I play in, the euphonium players both use the newer Mack Brass euphonium and it sounds, plays and feels as good as my Yamaha.
Anyway, thanks for an informative video!
I've got a New Standard Euph of similar vintage, but a bit older, and it's a terrific euph!! the valves are a bit heavy but it compares very favourably with more modern euphoniums. I look forward to testing it out on the concert/contest stage once the lock-down in Wales is lifted.
I have a 1910 Lafleur Euph. works great! All valves work and tuning slides, except the 2nd valve tuning slide.
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Good stuff. Interesting reviews. I was wondering if you could review the Jet Tone brand trumpet mouthpieces.
The instrument sounds wonderful... and you played that piece very well too. Nice tone!
This is the Besson version of the Boosey and Hawkes Imperial. Different factories both owned by B&H. Valves were different. You are right, this was originally a medium shank mouthpiece fitting between trombone and bass trombone. In younger days my colleague played on one of these and I played an Imperial.
Trent, would you in any way be interested in borrowing a metal clarinet from the early 20th Century?
Sure. Do you live in New Zealand?
That's the problem. I sadly live in the United States.
The model of the instrument is Three Star by The Gundy-Bettoney Co.
I have a Boosey&Hawkes Sovereign euphonium from 1979 and I have the same experience with valves and slides. I can let it lay arounf for two or three weeks without touching it, but when I pick it up the valves and slides work like normal. And the use of 'actual metal', as you described prefectly, and the thickness and sturdy construction of these instruments mean that they have a very full sound and it's pretty difficult to damage them. Someone once knocked over my Sovereign... nothing on the instrument. No scratches, no dents, nothing. The tuning issues can get quite annoying but as you said, they are easily solvable.
It's a shame these instruments are pretty rare, because in a lot of ways they are on par with the pro instruments made these days.
That clanking isn't due to wear on the valve - it means your valves need new felt rings on top. My B&H Imperial tuba does that every several years...
It'd be super cool to have annotations over the instruments on your wall that'd take you to the video covering it.
My friend plays an instrument similar to that one, it's gold. His is also a large bore.
Amazing. It's like looking my own horn in the mirror, except mine is stamped "Sterling" and the braces on the slides' tubing are straight instead of U's.
I've never been able to figure out what model it is, even armed with the serial number.
What song is playing in your outro? It gives me chills when I hear it and I would like to find a full recording of it!
ruclips.net/video/0XPyOUNtcUA/видео.html
Thank you so much!
By any chance do you think you could give some tips on the Euphonium part for Karl L. Kings "The Melody Shop"?
Thank you very much for making this video! I have recently come across one of these horns and decided to buy it, and your video was very helpful! I don't know if mine has that valve leaking problem because it has a water gutter on the three valves blocked together as well as on the 4th valve trigger.
Also, my horn has been converted to a large shank receiver as well.
for the valves draining on you - you need a grime gutter. it's a little tube that clips on the bottom of the valves. it collects all the water so it dosent go on ur clothes. Ben
Chinesium... lol
I played on one of those this past Friday. It wasn’t in the best condition but it sounds really nice
Hi Trent,I have the same Euphonium as you but in Hi Pitch.Will a half inch extension pipe on the lead pipe take it down to 440?Also any thoughts on the Jupiter JEP 1020?Dunedin is enjoying snow on the hlls this morning.
I wouldn't add any tubing to the lead pipe. It's more typical to extend the tuning slides the proportionate amount.
I am Chinese and I subscribed to this channel mainly to hear him talk trash about Chinese instruments. Very entertaining.
how much do you pay to buy most of your instruments?
Brock Playz most are Chinese. Probably less than $500 each. Look on AliExpress and alibaba
I played a Besson from about that period in high school in the late 1970s and loved it. And yes, a compensating euphonium is heavy, which is why I liked my 1972 Getzen bell front baritone (which I still own) for marching.
It's definitely a shame to have a Besson euphonium sitting in someone's storage space unplayed, They are truly classic instruments.
Is that a contrabass french horn you got there?
What is the tune in the begining of the video (the on you play with euphonium)?
I use that exact type of euphonium in my band which was given to me day one
type of horn, or model of horn?
Model
Hey Trent, greetings from USA. I'm a trombonist and I love your videos. I play a large number of instruments regularly (both small and large bore tenor trombone, bass trombone, euphonium, and tuba) and find I have an unusually tough time switching to the small bore trombone I have (1970s King 3B) and I was wondering if you could make a video on the technique differences between small and large bore trombones. I started on large bore tenor and picking up the others in the list was relatively easy for me, but small bore has definitely been more difficult and I feel that I'm not getting the full potential out of the instrument. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Keep up the great work. ~Michael
Hey Trent, would you say a 4th valve to the side is more convenient than a 4th valve in line with the other 3?
All compensating horns are like that, and they are amazing to play. It is certainly better.
It's not about convenience; euphoniums that have the valve to the side are "compensating euphoniums," which means that their tubing is slightly different and more in tune in the lower register. Using a non-compensating 4-valve euphonium may even be a little more comfortable sometimes (for me, at least), but playing in the lower register becomes much more difficult and you have to use your lips and weird valve positions to change the notes you play.
Basically, a compensating euphonium has an extra little bit of tubing on each of the first 3 valves. When the fourth valve is pushed down, it diverts the air into those little bits of tubing for each of the other 3 valves, bringing down the pitch just a bit.
Non-compensating horns with the 4th valve on the side are rare, but they do exist. I want to say Wilson has or had a model like that but I can't find it, although they do have a horn with 4 in line front action valves like a compensating version of an upright bell King 2268.
There is a plastic euph that has a non-compensating 4th valve on the side.
I've heard a few people say they prefer the 4th on the side but my experience is limited to in line top action valves and the front action King 2266, since I don't think of myself as a good enough player (nor do I have a big enough wallet) to want a compensating horn. Yes, the standard 4th valve is a little rough on the pinky, but I think with enough practice, the pinky will be get stronger and it'll feel more comfortable..
What's the song at the end?
you are missing the spit collector on the bottom of the valves. most compensating Euphoniums with protrusions at the bottom of the valves come with a spit collector
No, that's a new thing. Euphos from this era never had them.
Trent Hamilton , I have a 1960's Besson and it came with a spit collector. It seems like a huge oversight by the manufacturers to make a leaky instrument without some 'compensation'.
Where can I find the Variations on the Carnival of Venice in bass clef? (I play euphonium and I can read treble, but I would prefer to have it in bass.)
How did you get your hands on this instrument?
Nice video pal. just got a Besson Sovereign 981EEb bass yesterday! those new standards'll last u for years😂
Is a clarinet and saxophone mouthpiece the same
Hey Trent, what f trigger trombone do you recommend that's affordable and good for a middle school trombonist. Thanks!
I've never been sure which earbud goes in which ear; should the intro pan start on the left or right?
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Would you recommend this instrument for a high school senior?
Hey Trent! I'm a university level eupho player and brass bander but to this day I don't know how to tune my euph to get it bang in tune (with combinations of tuning slides and the like). Could you make a video on this?!
Billy
Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/J52EUT1xfwA/видео.html
"If you were to march with this thing"... why would you march a concert euph?
I was forced to in High School. We only had concert horns. Some bell-front. Some not, like this euphonium. That was 30+ years ago.
In other countries we don't use special marching instruments.
I do lmao
Just a tip, since your 4th valve cap is missing, just get a screw from a different brass instrument XD. We did that with my schools besson.
Beauty!
Does anybody know how I can sanitize my baritone mouthpiece?
Boil it in water.
Is this similar to my besson imperial euphonium, the predecessor to the sovereign?
I have the same model from the same time except it only has 3 valves with a compensating system for the 3rd valve that wraps around the front, I will say its the best euphonium ive played and the spit from the valves thing is the same for me, also mine is a large shank/bore reciver as well so it may not be an addition
Those bessons are usually medium shank. Quite interesting it's a large shank!
oye de dónde consigues tanto instrumento
I play one of these, but it looks aged. It was assumed to be the worst compensating Euphonium at our school, however it was recently discovered that these instruments are really nice quality.
Luv dem euphs!
Do you own this one.
I'm using a Besson euphonium identical to yours. I have all the same issues as well as these: the support on the lead pipe is busted, the hold-down on the fourth valve is missing, and the main tuning slide lower tubing is broken off from its sliding tubes (below where the cross bar holds the two sliding tubes together). I want to know if you feel me purchasing it for $1200 USD is worth it. Would I ever be able to resell it? Would it be worth keeping?
You'd need to send me photos. Is it the same age as this one?
Getting tired marching with a euphonium? Nahhhhh...
"We'll wait until all the euphs have their horns up"
Gentry Walker i would fucking die if i had to march a baritone
that is why there is a marching baritone
Regular 3 valve baris are easy to march with. Its the heavier 4 valve ones i wouldnt fancy marching with. Id definately invest in a harness to march with a euph lol
sheepthatgobaaa I i know. theyre heavy as fuck
hola soy huandacarense qué instrumento es?
Puedes leer el nombre del instrumento en el titulo. Creo que se llama un bombardino en espanol
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Still works great for being 40+ years old
Nitpicking... but late 2min's you say "converted into a large bore" (and then repeat something very similar) - but strictly speaking you're talking about it being converted to take large-shank mouthpieces.
The bore-size (measured at the valveblock, usually) hasn't changed.
it sounds quite nice. you sound like you enjoy playing it, if that makes any sense.
Better quality metals, better craftsmanship, and admittedly wider tolerances all contribute to the reliability of the valves and slides
This is kind of funny. I just started using I think that exact model that I'm borrowing from my college, and that horn looks the same, and has some similar problems. I find that interesting.
nice i play tuba so ha but i like eupho too
xXLongShotXx 132 - Same
what type of tuba do you use? I use a Jupiter XO 1284 CC 5/4 size tuba
xXLongShotXx 132 - It's a school Tuba, therefore I am not too sure...
oh, okay!!
xXLongShotXx 132 Same here bud
Trent, a channel used the video of you dropping the contrabass. It was the channel epic laughs in a video called expensive fails 💸💰 extremely expensive damages.
Thanks for letting me know, most appreciated.
Trent Hamilton here is some music for single valve g bugles.
historical-drum-corps-publications.blogspot.com/2006/03/slingerland-complete-instructive-manual.html
wow you're up early.
I like the whole "old instruments were made out of metal." thing. Makes me think what would happen if you were to make a brass instrument out of some ridiculous metal, like Tungsten Carbide or H13 Tool Steel.
I would imagine the instrument would sound very dull and wouldn't resonate very well if made out of very dense metals.
It has that tuba-going-too-high sound that is so adorably pitiful.
my god my tenor trombone is I think less than 5 years old yet its tuning slide doesn't move that fluidly!
should probably maintain it a little better then
I know, at school we're entering the phase where we clean each instrument
but like even when it's well greased it doesn't move like that
We have 2 of the same age and era 4 valve baritones in our storage. They both need a lot of work to bring up to a playable standard, if thats even possible. How am i supposed to justify spending hundreds on them if they still sound crap in the end lol
"they smell a bit musty if I must"
You should play some mariachi music.
"Craptechistan"😂
If you march with that you'll be a beef cake
I play a Bach trumpet
Could I have it?
I play one with 3 valves
but i cant say anything because you play all brass instruments..
He played the Spider-Man 2 pizza theme
My good friend from Craptakistan took insult to the negative tone in your voice when you spoke of his country.
They smell a bit musty, if I must[y] say
17th
Can i have a pin pls?
I play clarinet why am I here
earlyyyyy