Old school here. She was paying homage to Nina Hagen in the early 80s. Lets not forget that Madonna made a career of borrowing from other scenes and subcultures. Ya looks like 90's madonna but Nina Hagen was the original and did it far better thn Madonna - a true original w/thin the goth culture. So, yes that look def deserves to be part of this video. Nina is after all the mother of punk.
As I understand that Steampunk came from Cyberpunk. cybergoth was the mixing of Goth styles and Cyberpunk styles. Point is that Steampunk didn't originate from Goth at all and even though a lot of clothing features may cross over (top hats, big ruffle skirts etc) they are two very separate and distinct styles with no shared origin.
Could you please do a video giving examples of all goth styles? I'm new at the subsculture, still searching... I think that a video like that would be helpful to all baby bats!
I dunno, in the US (maybe just some cities), there are a lot of ladies that are typically goth in their day-to-day but then also do pin-up on the side and so that why you see a lot of pin-up girls with very heavy tattoos. They are definitely on the Goth tree, but perhaps by marriage.
There's a goth subculture called Gothabilly. Also a punk one called Psychobilly. The original vid just didn't portray it as either. Instead they did regular pinup which isn't goth or punk at all lol
pastel goth didn't really branch from goth as more so branched from the whole "kawaii/Japanese street fashion" tree. it can also he called creepy cute.
Pastel goth has been around for awhile (a little longer than the 2010s), at least, in San Francisco, since the mid or late 90s. Except then we called it "perkigoth" or "candy goth." Some people in the goth community would even overlap styles. I had a friend who was a deathrocker, but wore quite a bit of pink with pastel-colored hair--much like the pastel goth in the video. It's funny. We used to mock the uniformity-code of goth, too. Instead, we valued creativity and uniqueness over conformity.
+Lizzy Troy Victorian Goths literally got me obsessed with the Goth subculture. I am very disappointed they aren't represented but "Pastel Goths" are. Gross
+Amie Rakori YAY A VICTORIAN GOTH!! I apologize for getting so excited. Victorian Goths are literally my definition of traditional beauty. I envy all Victorian Goths. Guh
I am posting this at the request of your newest fan. Her name is Avalon and she is 6 years old. Even though I am not Goth or into the culture, I let her watch most of your videos because of your lovely personality and the fact that she needs to see that people should never be judged by their looks, just their actions. So here is Avalon's comments/questions for you - "You are very pretty, a nice person and you look fabulous. Do you like Monster High? I would really like to have hair and eyes like yours and I like your outfit. I also like watching your videos (the ones my mom let's me watch). Have a great day, you are awesone." Avalon, age 6.
+Secret Agent Starlady If my daughter wanted to dress like Black Friday, I'm ok with that. She knows that certain things such as makeup and piercings will have to wait until she is much older. I tell her that as long as it's "classy", it's ok to wear. By classy, I mean nothing above the knee or below the collar bone. At six, she has no qualms about by telling teen-agers in short-shorts and little tank tops that they don't look classy.... She already wears black & pink wigs, Gothic style dresses and has developed the "homeless princess" look that most six year olds have to make it her own. I want her to be confident in whatever style she is drawn to. Just because I don't wear it, doesn't mean I can't let her wear it.
As a gothish mom, your daughter sounds freaking adorable! Mine love Monster High too ( well my 9 yr old does), does your daughter like Ruby Gloom? It is a pretty cute show for "spooky tots". As a mom with a few more years under my wing, my oldest is 17, it sounds like you are doing a great job showing her how to be unique and adventurous! Great job mama!!!
totally agree with everything you said! The lolita lipstick wasnt too accurate (but the outfit was) And pin-up, like what?!? Pastel Goth was just a tumblr trend, and Nu-Goth is sort of accurate, but you're right it will probably burn out soon because people dont really know what they're doing with the word 'goth' anymore :')
she said "that doesn't look like goth to me" then said later the video was "sometimes inaccurate" but it never was inaccurate just because she didn't see those styles or didn't include some didn't make it inaccurate
I'm not sure about Nu-goth, i started getting into it (especially restyle's clothing, i think they can be considered nu-goth) and i quite like it, it's modern, simple and COMFORTABLE, i made a wardrobe that looks goth but also very comfortable everyday wear and turned out i started dressing nu-goth without knowing what it is), i found corsets, straps etc quite annoying so in that sense i think it has its place and while it will probably change i think it has a place in goth fashion.
I like to think now that all the satanic ritual panic from the 90s has died down, everyone is able to finally wear it again freely. You don't have to worry about getting asked to leave places anymore based on how much black you are wearing. Nu Goth is pretty comfy and low maintenance compared to Lolita or Romantic. I'm looking forward to trying a pastel lolita look for the first time. I figure one outfit that isn't black won't be the end of anything so I want to wear white to a concert.
I think goth is a lot like punk where it's just your own style whatever you make it to be. People are always arguing over what "real punk" or "real goth" is and I've been off and on since the 80s but always loving the music. There's just something poetic about the flat voice in the background and instruments that bring me back every time. Having a corporate job I had to dress like a normal person for years and now I'm so glad that is over with.
Of course everyone should wear whatever they want and mix styles. But, they shouldn't call their fashion a certain thing when it isn't what they call it at all. For example sure, wear the "deathrock" look from the video, but don't call it deathrock, call it a Nina Hagen inspired look, you know ?
Gyber Goth is a mix of gravers with a bit more horror (mostly nukes), I think that theyr Cyber Goth music was a bit soft in the video, and I could fit myself into being a death rocker but the hair has been more like punk as much as I know. Allso I realy like your look at: [0:32].
I really don't understand why these youtubers flip their shit whenever they see the pastel goth. It's actually a pretty good representation, and it does take from quite a few goth fashion elements, only it colors them in pastel, obviously. (Hence the name.) I love it and think it's the most hilarious, sarcastic, ironic thing ever.
Yeah I feel like rockabilly and psychobilly came out of punk, not goth. So it's more of a common origin to goth than an evolution of goth. Psychobilly incorporates a lot of monster imagery and is predominantly black but it's not really goth.
I am a goth on days I feel like it. I like different cultures different stuff, like a variety of music, fashion, movies, and dances. I believe differences should bring people together, not separate them. Here in America, differences separates them even though it's supposed to be "the land of the free." I want to travel the world someday. Unless most of other Americans, I want to learn about different people. I feel boxed in to what I know just about where I live.
I wish people would stop hating on Pastel Goth. If you don't like it, that's fine, you don't have to. But don't go around saying it isn't real goth or its just tumblrism etc etc. The very worst thing about the goth subculture is the ELITISM and we'd all be better of loving and supporting each other rather than going around all "gothier than thou" and dismissing other peoples' styles and interpretations of goth. Live and let live; support each other, don't put each other down. 💖
Post punk came out the bat cave scene Bands like Christian death came from the deathrock LA scene Emily Autum is associate with steampunk Siousxie Sioux goes along with the punk aspect Point is goth somehow always correlates with music, that's where the fashion came from. Pastel goth is literally a product of tumblr, there is no correlation, it isn't goth, the end.
The only problem I have with it is that it was called "creepy cute" until someone decided to stick on the "goth" label without much thought about it. Dark elements alone don't make it goth, and many of the ones who were into this creepy cute fashion were never goth to begin with, they were just people who liked cute and creepy things mixed together, they had no association with goth whatsoever.
I love Black Friday because she gives fair reviews. I get really annoyed when people are too judgmental or harsh on styles just because they aren't their own style. I personally don't think pastel or Nu goth will burn out though. I mean maybe Nu goth will change names but pastel goth has become it's own thing. And, in the end, all styles of goth started as a trend. Regardless, I think she made a lot of good points.
She literally did the thing you said your hate, she said "that doesn't look like goth to me" then said later the video was "sometimes inaccurate" but it never was inaccurate just because she didn't see those styles or didn't include some didn't make it inaccurate
I don't wear it a lot, but I love it, too. It gets a lot of shit for being too "Tumblr" somehow I guess, but I think it's just because it's associated with young women/teen girls, and almost everything in culture associated with them gets shit. I always find it ironic when people who are members of a nonconformist subculture try to judge other people for not being "enough" into that subculture for their personal arbitrary standards. As if the whole point wasn't experimenting and being creative and most of all being yourself XD.
Me too. So much petty elitism when it comes to Pastel Goth. So many people dismiss it as a legitimate style and say it's just try hard tumblr girls. There's already so much hate form the outside towards the goth community, don't need to be arguing within ourselves as well.
It definitely gets a lot of hate for being a "tumblr" thing. I personally think it's a really cool style, a nice balance of cute and creepy. The thing that annoys me with the hate it gets, is that most everyone will agree that goth is a lot more than just how someone dresses. It's a lifestyle. Music, books, interests, etc. are all aspects of being goth, so why is it that if someone has all the same interests and such as a more traditional goth, but just prefers to dress in a different way, they're automatically "not goth." I get that yes there are people who take on the pastel goth style without knowing the history of the gothic subculture and having other interests, but I'm sure you could find people in any goth style like that. I agree with the others, there's too much hate against goths (and other various subcultures) to hate on each other so much. Everyone is just trying to express themselves. Let's encourage and support each other, not tear each other down for "not being ____ enough."
I’d like to see you make your own version of this including all the other types of goth that you’ve mentioned. Wanna see the more in-depth version that you described.
***** no no its fine i get you if you wanna go for red qeen from alice in wonderland go for it but for me it just look fake lolita with that lip also the red tutu underneath her dress is unecesarry. At the same time maybe heart shape lips doesnt suit me but only people like you so its understandable. ^ ///// ^
I think it's great that you're there to direct people on understanding goth fashion and goths in general better. There's a lot of media out there that confuses people or is just judging towards those who choose to be different. I'm glad there are people like you who are honest and know what they're talking about :3 p.s. I'd love to see you make a video on goth fashion throughout the ages.
The Goth Lolita was terrible. The makeup, just no. The wig was okay, I guess, but I feel like it didn't fit the coordinate. And a Lolita tries to hide her petticoat at all times because it is considered an undergarment. We don't really like to flash them.
It seemed to me like they were inspired by the Lovely Miss Emilie Autumn. I didn't hate what the model was wearing, but I agree with the petticoat thing.
As a Lolita, it's so painful to see. That is nothing like Lolita. The dress didn't have any details, what's with the petticoat? You shouldn't show it and it shouldn't be another colour. There wasn't much jewellery. No one wears gloves like that. And the make up and wig was horrifying. It's looks like they used one of those slutty Halloween costumes as a reference.
てんし A lots of Lolitas have their petticoat a different colour, they might have a meshy dress and layer up nice petticoats. Its about preference really, now that women wont be burnt at the stake for showing their petticoat, its not really "underwear" anymore so...
Hi! ^^ (Sorry if its weird to comment this late ^^') But I also think that the Lolita was off. I have the feeling that the dress had a different shape than the petti, you know? Like, the dress was cupcake/bell shaped but the petti looked like an A-line to me... It just looked wrong and it threw me off :P I also think that the makeup could have been Mana inspired, but then the dress would *not* be mana like (at least from what he would have worn when he did his makeup like that, similar make up but wrong millennia compared to the dress ^^') Also, sorry for any errors! English is not my first language :P
Kai_Decadence I guess we use the terms differently here. we have punkabilly which is what it sounds like. then psychobilly which is like horror movie lyrics meets rockabilly (which is what I see in the video) I've never heard of gothabilly but I'd prolly like it lol.
Elena Marie Nieman Punkabilly? See, I never heard that term before lol Maybe Psychobilly & Punkabilly are interchangeable? I don't know... I guess "billy" has more offshoots lol Like I said, Gothabilly is a VERY rare stye. Some Gothabilly bands include GhoulTown, Cult of the Psycho Fetus, and Bobby Joe Thorazine. The problem with this genre though is if you try to look for the music, you tend to find way too many Psychobilly bands being lumped into it. It kinda makes it kinda pointless to have a name like "Gothabilly" but yeah, those were the only bands I can think of that mixed Goth rock with Rockabilly/Punk.
Kai_Decadence the "Billy" thing is getting a bit out of control tbh. I can't even keep up and I play upright bass so, that's pretty bad. I'll definitely check those bands out though. thank you !
I was teenager in the 80s and I was new romantic when I was 14 -15 years old , but in that moment being new romantic was a very contemporary thing, I was born in 1971 so I lived every form of this subculture
Never considered PUNK as GOTH. That DEATH ROCK was totally wrong!! CYBER is now called SCENE depending on where you live. STEAMPUNK has always been its own thing. PIN UP has absolutely nothing to do with GOTH!!! I've always found PASTEL GOTH as soft GOTH, for those who don't what to truly commit. You are so right about all the things they've missed!
It was supposed to be called "Psychobilly" that's the punk pin up. Gothabilly is goth pin up. You're right that Pin Up is not goth, but they do have a goth version. It's basically black and skulls lol
Punk is the parent of Goth. It's not the same but you have to acknowledge it from a fashion perspective because it influenced everything including metal and disco fashion in the 70s and 80s.
I'm a "Death Rocker." I have a 90's grunge look (torn jeans, tank top, flannel, sloppy hair, heavy eyeliner, tattoos.) Then again, sometimes I like a more "Bohemian" look. I kind of flip-flop between them and often fuse the two. :) But whatever their interpretation was there, it was odd to me. Looked more high-fashion and I gotta wonder who the ffffflippity-skip chose that look. It was cute, but certainly FAR from what most death metal girls look like. Key ingredient to DEATH METAL folk: Have headbangable hair. ;) And that outfit they chose, would never survive a moshpit. LOL!
You're "Deathrock"??? hahahhahahaaha NOPE......Deathrockers are not Death Metal related.Please know what your talking about before labeling yourself.I'll be nice enough to give you a few examples of Death Rock bands, so you can have a better understanding. Ex-Voto, Cinema Strange,Kommunity FK, Christian Death. ~Stay Spooky~
Drexel Aw...What a kind and necessary rudeness. Thank you! So appreciated! I am now informed that "Death rock" is for snobs. So I guess the look does indeed suit the genre. ;)
If I were to do Cybergoth it would come out like a cross between Hellraisers "Pinhead" and "Lawnmower Man" when Jobe becomes a virtual entity before being absorbed into Cyberspace, and ringing all the telephones. It would be tres creeposo...
I'm pretty sure gravers and cyber goths are 2 totally different things I was a graver in the early 90's and we didn't look cyber goth at all... cyber goth is a whole new generations take on it... if she wanted to go graver all she would have to change is her pants 😂
For pinup, I think they were trying to do dita von teese(maybe trying to get to gothabilly), but took a few wrong turns getting there, and decided last minute to play it safe and do a simple pinup look with a hint of "Spooky". lol
We very ancient Goths remember the days when Goths were swashbucklers and pirates and women wore flamboyant capes and scarves and the clothes were rich jewel tones, velvet, leather, lace. The true Goth days. We were called Gothic because our aesthetics were to fashion what Notre Dame and other grand gothic cathedrals are are to architecture...This apparently has died and been forgotten. At least according to "40 years of goth style" (which has not earned the right to be in upper case)....Steam Punk is more closely related to the roots of "Gothic" than any other mutation that has existed.
I'd like to second that. You had the same exact reactions I had to all of those. I was like 'good... good... No? Death Rock isn't like that? Okay... alright... Eh some Goths are Steampunk but not all Steampunks are Goth, PIN UP WHAT NO!? Why not just do rockabilly?' and then when it comes to Pastel Goth I feel pretty neutral but I was like "I bet Black Friday would rage at this part'. Lol.
***** Yess the pinup was so incredibly random. And to my knowledge, arent death rockers usually sporting deathhawks and all kinds of spiky accessories? She looked more like a bucksome Madonna.
Madonna! THAT'S what it is. I hadn't been able to figure out what it reminded me of, lol. Yeah a big huge fluffy deathawk definitely would have looked better. And not blonde, ugh, it'd have to be black. I mean blonde hair is the hardest color to make 'goth' IMO. It can be done but it's just better to go with literally any other color at all. Edit: Just struck me... it's possible they were confusing hair metal/glam rock with goth somehow on that one. Lol.
as a non goth here what I'd call them (for fun, so sorry if this offends you) 1- punk- rebel goth 2- bat cave - 80's goth mom 3- deathrock - lady gaga goth? 4- romantic - classic goth 5- cyber - neon robo 6- Lolita - creepy cute loli 7- steam punk - "I live in a clock tower" goth 8- pinup - summer 9- pastel - tumblr goth 10- nu goth - witch goth
+Scream Nikki Victorian goth and Vampire goth, even though not really official, are both sub-categories of romantic goth. Don't know what that bubble thing is
I don't think I'd consider bubble goth to be popular. It got coined by Kerli, then after that I've never seen anyone dress like that. As for Victorian goth: I think it's very similar to romantic goth, which is why it's not in the video. Both are similar in style, and formed around the same era, so it would be repetitive to put both in.
you have such an intelligent point of view that you always articulate so clearly. its part of the reason i enjoy watching your videos so much despite not being a part of the goth culture.
The blonde/platnum death rock look was a thing, believe it or not. Very early 80's. They really got the 2 toned shades of it really well. I was impressed. Neon colors, too. At that time people weren't used to those bright colors. They showed up well under black lights in the clubs. They were usually worn with torn black clothing held together with safety pins. Safety pins for earrings were also great accessories.
The lolita community hated this! It looked like a cheesy Halloween costume, tried to do a mana -ish style and fell on their faces. I was very disappointed with the lolita look but pretty much anyone whose outside of the community and does no research ends up with something like this.
Exactly! Each sub-subculture they tried to represent was very blah. I guess doing a four minute video of 40 years was the hook but they could've tried harder to create more authentic looks or add more styles and just edited it better to something.
ikr? I'm still amused from all the lolitas just popping out from the woodwork and that most of us collectively agree that the makeup was horrendous. I'm still a bit so-so on why gothic lolita was included tho. There is crossover and influence from western goth, but gothic/EGL is its own thing under the Lolita fashion umbrella and was around at least before goth itself was established. Also did some poking about and there's a few explanations about some of the outfits on the directors fb. But goddess that daily mail article is a bit :///// "Lolita goth". lol ok
+redonyx Probably included because it was influenced by Western goth, mashed and squished in Japan, and flew back to the West while decked out in Vivienne Westwoods and parasols. ;) Joking aside, I'm glad it was noticed. Even if I can't get past the horrid makeup.
ok not into Goth fashion much (but I love wearing black flowy dresses and black lipstick kinda, it makes me feel like a dark goddess lol but I'm young so I can't wear much of that) but I think your makeup looks rly neat and stunning
Personally we didn't do a reaction video because of any bandwagon. We did it because our subscribers asked us to. I personally base the subject matter on my channel on a combination of my intrests and my subscribers interests.
Although we basically had similar reactions to this. I absolutely love you. Just wanted to be clear my channel is my own. Im an old lady goth so most of the subjects i address are geared towards elder goths 💚
Today I tried 3 outfits and makeups...and I gotta say..being a goth baby bat or whatever you called the freshmans..it’s not ugly,it’s not scary,it’s not even weird..it’s..CUTE AF
It is like you say, Goth Fashion it like a tree with many branches. The video wasn't meant to be linear, but rather to show about when each style started branching off from the main "trunk". I still see people at goth clubs (and even Anime and Comic conventions!) dressed in all the different styles, from the "Punk" and "Cyber", to the more "traditional black", and the "Steampunk". It is all about what make you enjoy the culture as a whole.
I grew up in the Hollywood goth scene, and they totally missed the boat on the most of these. I'm glad you talked about the different "branches." Ones I would have liked to have seen: 1. Victorian Goth - As the name suggests, the Victorian-inspired goth look. We didn't have a lot of them in SoCal. 2. Velvet Goth - This was bigger in Orange County in the richer areas, and was all about crushed velvet and saturated jewel tones. 3. PVC Goth (huge in Hollywood in the 90s). These were the ones we call Cybergoths. 4. Death Rock - I don't know about anyone else, but the Death Rocker I am familiar with was just punk fashion in black with a lot of ripped jeans and (on occasion) black flannel, combat boots, and black fatigues (sometimes the black and white camouglage pants). Unlike some videos, most of us a) didn't have Robert Smith hair, and b) most of us went with this look because we were too broke for the rest. 5. Lolita Goth is something new to me; we just called them Baby Goths. Or, more insultingly, Goth-In-A-Box because they shopped at Hot Topic. 6. Gothabilly should be in this video, but they bungled it. 7. Nu-Goth is actually kind of cool in its look, but strikes me as too Hot Topic and therefore falls into what I consider Baby Goth. 8. What they called Cyber Goth we simply referred to as Club Kids. The ones that showed up at Helter Skelter and Perversion could barely move because they had monstrous elevator platform boots. 9. Corporate Goth would have been cool to see, especially since I'm now (whimper) old and professional, and going gray, more in this category. 10. Lingerie Goth - Always my favorite for the ladies, and as the name implies was largely lingerie under punk rockish/Madonna-esque rags. 11. Vampire Goths - We just referred to the ladies in this category as Morticias. 12. Industrial Goths - Rivethead fashion, gothic makeup. 13. Emo - though we made fun of them and considered them on the fringe of the scene (even more than the Baby Goths), they were just grunge kids who dyed everything black with Rit dye. Those were the big ones I saw the most of, until I moved around the country. Edwardian Goths seemed to be more of an East Coast thing, and Victorian Goths more of a Southern thing.
By modern prep I mean it's basically normal fashion with colorful hair. The pastel aesthetic involves not only bondage harnesses but stockings, hair accessories and a heavy emphasis on nail art. Shame they didn't browse more than one outfit post before building the look. The detail is what sets it apart.
I think pin up could be goth but needs more black and also more spooky things.And also there are more types of goths like Perky goth,Gothabilly,Victorian,...
My grandmother once came up to me wearing my normal all black attire(black shirt, black jeans/pants, black shoes and other accessories) and asked me "hey Are you like a goth?" A turned to her and said "haha I don't have to tell you anything..." one of most rebellious moments I had this year! Ha I'm pathetic
Sir Cotton, Esquire, Cyber goth exist in the industrial realm and associate with that music style/presence, but actual industrial style is closer associated with rivethead. I think of cyber goth as the colorful sci-fi cousin of rivethead/industrial
I'm not even goth but I LOVE watching your videos. Honestly I'm super jealous of people who are completely happy being themselves. I think goth style is so fascinating and I love learning more about it!
I think they meant to put gothabilly which is a cross of pin up and gothic fashions and music, but pin up isn't goth even though it is found in the more alternative stores
Gravers are still a thing. They're the candy wearing emo kids at edm parties. Cybers are the colorful happy-go-lucky counterparts to the elder rivetheads at the party :p
It's kind of funny/interesting to look at Nu Goth and see it called Witch Goth because the pagan symbolism has always been there in punk, metal, goth, glam and folk music/fashion. It's not new at all but hey...I'll take it. The more pentagrams the better!
+SdisticDrummer it's not similar to Nugoth at all. it's a very witchy. Very layered . look up Mai magi on fb as well as Psyhcara. they are very good examples of Strega goth.
+SdisticDrummer Nugoth is kind of witchy. However it's very form-fitting and very keen on using satanic and witchy kind of symbols on the Forefront which kind of can look like it's doing it for the purpose of shock Factor. strega is more flowy and less keen on the in your face pagan symbols.
Those are my favourite styles, sadly way to broke haha plus NZ is shit for shopping XD I hope someone will remake it, it would be awesome to have an accurate portrayal
I am in my 50s now and grew up with 80s goth, a lot of clubs and bars in the UK that goths frequently attended also had punks, metal heads and psychobillies, all kind of smushed in together, maybe that's where some of the crossovers and misconceptions come from, lots of goths like me had friends who listened to the cramps, and spear of destiny which were psychoBilly bands, I quite liked some of it myself and still do, I think 'cause we all hung out together and shopped for a lot of our clothes and record etc in the same place, elder goths accept these other groups as part of the same scene. Maybe the person who made the vid is older like me, they do seem to have a better understanding of the vintage side of the culture, than the modern distinctions.
I guess the person who came up with it couldn't leave the pastel colors behind .-. I honestly don't find it terrible, but some of it- especially if the theme is pink and black- i super cringy.
I'm honestly really surprised that they didn't do Victorian goth, it's one of my favorite
Abbey McKillin it is that different than romantic?
Serena BoBinas yes quite a bit different
According to you logics the medieval goth style arose from the Middle Ages.))
victorian goth does not arise from Victorian era silly, it is INSPIRED by.. there's a big difference there
Victorian goth is my fav too, sux it wasn't in there 🙁
That's not death rock, that's madonna when she first came out.
Kipling that was literally my first thought like that first hair flip and "bitch im Madonna" burst through my head lol
Kipling 90's Madonna.
you mean madonna 10 years after she came out.
Old school here. She was paying homage to Nina Hagen in the early 80s. Lets not forget that Madonna made a career of borrowing from other scenes and subcultures. Ya looks like 90's madonna but Nina Hagen was the original and did it far better thn Madonna - a true original w/thin the goth culture. So, yes that look def deserves to be part of this video. Nina is after all the mother of punk.
@@xaviboi THANK YOU YES
I’m a steampunk, and I can say, that goth and steampunk aren’t the same. We’ve kinda separated from goth a while ago.
As I understand that Steampunk came from Cyberpunk. cybergoth was the mixing of Goth styles and Cyberpunk styles.
Point is that Steampunk didn't originate from Goth at all and even though a lot of clothing features may cross over (top hats, big ruffle skirts etc) they are two very separate and distinct styles with no shared origin.
you can totally mix the two styles but they are two individual things otherwise
I’m mean like, it’s literally punk not goth😩
Could you please do a video giving examples of all goth styles? I'm new at the subsculture, still searching... I think that a video like that would be helpful to all baby bats!
Me too!
YES I AGREE WITH THIS! I’d love to see her do styles with everything she named at the end!
Andreelynn Stephens same!! I am not goth in any means but this is all so intriguing..
Ava Grace and make a goth tree
YASSS
"Steampunk is just an excuse for Goths to wear brown" - HAHAHAH
gg no re
Rosie Barrett Your profile picture is you with a Snapchat filter.
Gene Naftulyev IM STEAMPUNK
Gene Naftulyev wrong vid lol
I read this right as she said that 😂
The pin up really threw me off, it's alternative for sure but not goth.
Its Rockabilly
I dunno, in the US (maybe just some cities), there are a lot of ladies that are typically goth in their day-to-day but then also do pin-up on the side and so that why you see a lot of pin-up girls with very heavy tattoos. They are definitely on the Goth tree, but perhaps by marriage.
There's a goth subculture called Gothabilly. Also a punk one called Psychobilly. The original vid just didn't portray it as either. Instead they did regular pinup which isn't goth or punk at all lol
IKR!
pastel goth didn't really branch from goth as more so branched from the whole "kawaii/Japanese street fashion" tree. it can also he called creepy cute.
Amanda Hanahan Agreed it looks more like, Lolita style or even Decora style maybe.
Amanda Hanahan I hate pastel goth, it shouldn’t even have the word ‘Goth.’ In it.
Pastel goth has been around for awhile (a little longer than the 2010s), at least, in San Francisco, since the mid or late 90s. Except then we called it "perkigoth" or "candy goth." Some people in the goth community would even overlap styles. I had a friend who was a deathrocker, but wore quite a bit of pink with pastel-colored hair--much like the pastel goth in the video.
It's funny. We used to mock the uniformity-code of goth, too. Instead, we valued creativity and uniqueness over conformity.
pastel goth is an insult to fairy kei AND goth
Pastel goth is more of a yume kawaii. A decora street style that is basically pastel goth.
Gothabilly and psychobilly is a thing!!! Not pin up... pin up is a completley different thing!
And yes hippy goth!!! And glam goth!!!! Totally missed!
Yes! I'm really disappointed they didn't do Gothabilly because from what I see, that's blossomed into a HUGE goth subculture now!
And like, white goth is really ignored🥺
I like how she pauses the video to say something instead of talking over it.
She was talking over it on the whole video 😂
George yah but when she had something longer to stay
Narcissistic Vega and i hate it
I am legitimately disappointed they didn't do Victorian Goths. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. Grr
Agreed. We need to be noticed Y_Y
+Lizzy Troy Victorian Goths literally got me obsessed with the Goth subculture. I am very disappointed they aren't represented but "Pastel Goths" are. Gross
I KNOW RIGHT!
Im a vic goth so yea it was disappointing
+Amie Rakori YAY A VICTORIAN GOTH!! I apologize for getting so excited. Victorian Goths are literally my definition of traditional beauty. I envy all Victorian Goths. Guh
Definately that 'Pin Up' is an extension of 50's, & maybe early 60's, rock n roll & screen sirens of that era. not at all goth.
Marni Zavaleta that's why there was a gothabilly style. It was plenty darker than that.
Marni Zavaleta I still kind of like it...
Rach Frisella you can like it all you want, i do too, but it still doesn’t belong in that video lol.
Who cares if it doesn’t belong. It’s a video to watch.
Marni Zavaleta I was thinking that
This girl is a example of an amazing goth
The Lolita makeup looked like Halloween spooky doll makeup. If they would have changed the lipstick it would have looked way better.
I concur; the makeup was off but the clothes were spot-on.
yes.
+Marie SilverLightStar the clothes were SPOT ON
I'm also not a fan of the wig they chose but I guess that's just my personal taste. Other than that I absolutely agree with you!
+TheToxicinside Yeah. That wig is also very costumey. A curly black wig sans pigtails would have been fine.
You should do a vid series showing all the goth styles that you mentioned! Thumbs up if you think she should!! Thanks.
that is a great idea
I googled every singlr goth she listed, and it would be a good series
thumbs up!
yes!!!
👍👍👍 Oh My God yes!!! 👍👍👍
i could excuse steampunk being included but pinup is not goth at all
I call my type “if Lydia deetz and Wednesday Addams shared a closet”
You should make a video of all the types of Goth and maybe even incorporate pictures.
That would be really helpful and awesome!
i totally agree she should. that would be very cool
Instead of just taking pictures from the Internet, she should also try out the styles herself as well!
Yea she really should it would be interesting to see her in other Goth fashions
thats a good idea
I am posting this at the request of your newest fan. Her name is Avalon and she is 6 years old. Even though I am not Goth or into the culture, I let her watch most of your videos because of your lovely personality and the fact that she needs to see that people should never be judged by their looks, just their actions.
So here is Avalon's comments/questions for you -
"You are very pretty, a nice person and you look fabulous. Do you like Monster High? I would really like to have hair and eyes like yours and I like your outfit. I also like watching your videos (the ones my mom let's me watch). Have a great day, you are awesone."
Avalon, age 6.
Monster high is pretty fun!
+Secret Agent Starlady If my daughter wanted to dress like Black Friday, I'm ok with that. She knows that certain things such as makeup and piercings will have to wait until she is much older. I tell her that as long as it's "classy", it's ok to wear. By classy, I mean nothing above the knee or below the collar bone. At six, she has no qualms about by telling teen-agers in short-shorts and little tank tops that they don't look classy....
She already wears black & pink wigs, Gothic style dresses and has developed the "homeless princess" look that most six year olds have to make it her own. I want her to be confident in whatever style she is drawn to. Just because I don't wear it, doesn't mean I can't let her wear it.
omg!!!/so cute
You are the best mom ever
As a gothish mom, your daughter sounds freaking adorable! Mine love Monster High too ( well my 9 yr old does), does your daughter like Ruby Gloom? It is a pretty cute show for "spooky tots". As a mom with a few more years under my wing, my oldest is 17, it sounds like you are doing a great job showing her how to be unique and adventurous! Great job mama!!!
totally agree with everything you said! The lolita lipstick wasnt too accurate (but the outfit was)
And pin-up, like what?!?
Pastel Goth was just a tumblr trend, and Nu-Goth is sort of accurate, but you're right it will probably burn out soon because people dont really know what they're doing with the word 'goth' anymore :')
she said "that doesn't look like goth to me" then said later the video was "sometimes inaccurate" but it never was inaccurate just because she didn't see those styles or didn't include some didn't make it inaccurate
I'm not sure about Nu-goth, i started getting into it (especially restyle's clothing, i think they can be considered nu-goth) and i quite like it, it's modern, simple and COMFORTABLE, i made a wardrobe that looks goth but also very comfortable everyday wear and turned out i started dressing nu-goth without knowing what it is), i found corsets, straps etc quite annoying so in that sense i think it has its place and while it will probably change i think it has a place in goth fashion.
I like to think now that all the satanic ritual panic from the 90s has died down, everyone is able to finally wear it again freely. You don't have to worry about getting asked to leave places anymore based on how much black you are wearing. Nu Goth is pretty comfy and low maintenance compared to Lolita or Romantic. I'm looking forward to trying a pastel lolita look for the first time. I figure one outfit that isn't black won't be the end of anything so I want to wear white to a concert.
I think goth is a lot like punk where it's just your own style whatever you make it to be. People are always arguing over what "real punk" or "real goth" is and I've been off and on since the 80s but always loving the music. There's just something poetic about the flat voice in the background and instruments that bring me back every time. Having a corporate job I had to dress like a normal person for years and now I'm so glad that is over with.
Of course everyone should wear whatever they want and mix styles. But, they shouldn't call their fashion a certain thing when it isn't what they call it at all. For example sure, wear the "deathrock" look from the video, but don't call it deathrock, call it a Nina Hagen inspired look, you know ?
Best reaction on this yet!
Thanks! :D
Gyber Goth is a mix of gravers with a bit more horror (mostly nukes), I think that theyr Cyber Goth music was a bit soft in the video, and I could fit myself into being a death rocker but the hair has been more like punk as much as I know. Allso I realy like your look at: [0:32].
+It's Black Friday I really love your videos and i'm subscribed to you but 1:42 really offended me cause I'm pastel goth :'(
I really don't understand why these youtubers flip their shit whenever they see the pastel goth. It's actually a pretty good representation, and it does take from quite a few goth fashion elements, only it colors them in pastel, obviously. (Hence the name.) I love it and think it's the most hilarious, sarcastic, ironic thing ever.
+Misty Ghosts finally someone who loves it
Pin up?! That has nothing to do with goth that is pure rockabilly.
Yeah I feel like rockabilly and psychobilly came out of punk, not goth. So it's more of a common origin to goth than an evolution of goth. Psychobilly incorporates a lot of monster imagery and is predominantly black but it's not really goth.
F1nddatruth it's more like preep girl
it is, some people confuse it but rockabilly and psychobilly were birthed on their own
Pythorella Von Sixx do preps wear things with skulls? Blood?
Nova Nexus it depends, sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t , but usually they wore clear-background skirt
react to 40 years of men's goth fashion with your husband
I am a goth on days I feel like it. I like different cultures different stuff, like a variety of music, fashion, movies, and dances. I believe differences should bring people together, not separate them. Here in America, differences separates them even though it's supposed to be "the land of the free." I want to travel the world someday. Unless most of other Americans, I want to learn about different people. I feel boxed in to what I know just about where I live.
I wish people would stop hating on Pastel Goth. If you don't like it, that's fine, you don't have to. But don't go around saying it isn't real goth or its just tumblrism etc etc. The very worst thing about the goth subculture is the ELITISM and we'd all be better of loving and supporting each other rather than going around all "gothier than thou" and dismissing other peoples' styles and interpretations of goth. Live and let live; support each other, don't put each other down. 💖
Also, you should watch Reeree Phillips' video where she talks about her opinion on Pastel Goth and why she changed her mind about dismissing it.
very well said! 😊
what video is that? i'm interested but can't seem to find it
Post punk came out the bat cave scene
Bands like Christian death came from the deathrock LA scene
Emily Autum is associate with steampunk
Siousxie Sioux goes along with the punk aspect
Point is goth somehow always correlates with music, that's where the fashion came from. Pastel goth is literally a product of tumblr, there is no correlation, it isn't goth, the end.
The only problem I have with it is that it was called "creepy cute" until someone decided to stick on the "goth" label without much thought about it. Dark elements alone don't make it goth, and many of the ones who were into this creepy cute fashion were never goth to begin with, they were just people who liked cute and creepy things mixed together, they had no association with goth whatsoever.
I love Black Friday because she gives fair reviews. I get really annoyed when people are too judgmental or harsh on styles just because they aren't their own style. I personally don't think pastel or Nu goth will burn out though. I mean maybe Nu goth will change names but pastel goth has become it's own thing. And, in the end, all styles of goth started as a trend. Regardless, I think she made a lot of good points.
She literally did the thing you said your hate, she said "that doesn't look like goth to me" then said later the video was "sometimes inaccurate" but it never was inaccurate just because she didn't see those styles or didn't include some didn't make it inaccurate
the original video is so badly researched it hurts my brain. Thats exactly what people whio never heard of goth might think of it.
Me, a low-budget goth: “Woah.. some of these suck.”
"it'll burn out" as the model blows out the candle
haha!!
I feel like I'm the only one who likes pastel goth /:
I like it too but its just not really goth. Its more tumblr goth or something xD idk
I don't wear it a lot, but I love it, too. It gets a lot of shit for being too "Tumblr" somehow I guess, but I think it's just because it's associated with young women/teen girls, and almost everything in culture associated with them gets shit.
I always find it ironic when people who are members of a nonconformist subculture try to judge other people for not being "enough" into that subculture for their personal arbitrary standards. As if the whole point wasn't experimenting and being creative and most of all being yourself XD.
Me too. So much petty elitism when it comes to Pastel Goth. So many people dismiss it as a legitimate style and say it's just try hard tumblr girls. There's already so much hate form the outside towards the goth community, don't need to be arguing within ourselves as well.
it's not that people dislike it, it's just that people don't like it being called goth.
It definitely gets a lot of hate for being a "tumblr" thing. I personally think it's a really cool style, a nice balance of cute and creepy.
The thing that annoys me with the hate it gets, is that most everyone will agree that goth is a lot more than just how someone dresses. It's a lifestyle. Music, books, interests, etc. are all aspects of being goth, so why is it that if someone has all the same interests and such as a more traditional goth, but just prefers to dress in a different way, they're automatically "not goth."
I get that yes there are people who take on the pastel goth style without knowing the history of the gothic subculture and having other interests, but I'm sure you could find people in any goth style like that.
I agree with the others, there's too much hate against goths (and other various subcultures) to hate on each other so much. Everyone is just trying to express themselves. Let's encourage and support each other, not tear each other down for "not being ____ enough."
I’d like to see you make your own version of this including all the other types of goth that you’ve mentioned. Wanna see the more in-depth version that you described.
I actually love pastel goth because it's all of my favorite colors put in a style
you should have a goth history video
i like lolita goth and the dress but dont like the make up it just make the lolita goth look like one of those halloween costume for " non goth"people
its probably how they make the lips
they choose the lips that way but in gothic lolita you can choose a more classic makeup (my ex was a gothic lolita)
Akiorah im mix but that cool : 3
Panku Neko I think they tried to recreate the look of Mana Sama in the late 90s
***** no no its fine i get you if you wanna go for red qeen from alice in wonderland go for it but for me it just look fake lolita with that lip also the red tutu underneath her dress is unecesarry. At the same time maybe heart shape lips doesnt suit me but only people like you so its understandable. ^ ///// ^
That blonde one, is she trying to mimic Nina Hagen?
I was thinking the same.
I think it's great that you're there to direct people on understanding goth fashion and goths in general better. There's a lot of media out there that confuses people or is just judging towards those who choose to be different. I'm glad there are people like you who are honest and know what they're talking about :3
p.s. I'd love to see you make a video on goth fashion throughout the ages.
there are over 176 types of goth :) I got to do a report on it for school so I did my own research to find as much as possible.
do you have a complete list anywhere
please make a video of share the list omg
The Goth Lolita was terrible. The makeup, just no. The wig was okay, I guess, but I feel like it didn't fit the coordinate. And a Lolita tries to hide her petticoat at all times because it is considered an undergarment. We don't really like to flash them.
It seemed to me like they were inspired by the Lovely Miss Emilie Autumn. I didn't hate what the model was wearing, but I agree with the petticoat thing.
The wig was very old school mana, but agree on the lipstick.
the skirt seemed a bit long too
I totally agree with you!
Exactly!
Alternative is not goth, pin up is alternative.
Ahh, but would you agree that Goth is alternative? It would make Pin-Up a fashion cousin.
I love how when she got to cyber goth she went "aAAh" 🤣
As a Lolita, it's so painful to see. That is nothing like Lolita. The dress didn't have any details, what's with the petticoat? You shouldn't show it and it shouldn't be another colour. There wasn't much jewellery. No one wears gloves like that. And the make up and wig was horrifying. It's looks like they used one of those slutty Halloween costumes as a reference.
てんし A I guess they didn't want to buy the expensive real dresses
てんし A lots of Lolitas have their petticoat a different colour, they might have a meshy dress and layer up nice petticoats. Its about preference really, now that women wont be burnt at the stake for showing their petticoat, its not really "underwear" anymore so...
Hi! ^^ (Sorry if its weird to comment this late ^^') But I also think that the Lolita was off. I have the feeling that the dress had a different shape than the petti, you know? Like, the dress was cupcake/bell shaped but the petti looked like an A-line to me... It just looked wrong and it threw me off :P I also think that the makeup could have been Mana inspired, but then the dress would *not* be mana like (at least from what he would have worn when he did his makeup like that, similar make up but wrong millennia compared to the dress ^^') Also, sorry for any errors! English is not my first language :P
"pin up"should be "psychobilly" and no it not goth at all though there is some crossover.
Psychobilly was the punk love child of Rockabilly. It's pretty much Punk and Rockabilly combined. There is "Gothabilly" but it's a VERY rare style.
Kai_Decadence I guess we use the terms differently here. we have punkabilly which is what it sounds like. then psychobilly which is like horror movie lyrics meets rockabilly (which is what I see in the video) I've never heard of gothabilly but I'd prolly like it lol.
Elena Marie Nieman
Punkabilly? See, I never heard that term before lol Maybe Psychobilly & Punkabilly are interchangeable? I don't know... I guess "billy" has more offshoots lol
Like I said, Gothabilly is a VERY rare stye. Some Gothabilly bands include GhoulTown, Cult of the Psycho Fetus, and Bobby Joe Thorazine. The problem with this genre though is if you try to look for the music, you tend to find way too many Psychobilly bands being lumped into it. It kinda makes it kinda pointless to have a name like "Gothabilly" but yeah, those were the only bands I can think of that mixed Goth rock with Rockabilly/Punk.
Kai_Decadence the "Billy" thing is getting a bit out of control tbh. I can't even keep up and I play upright bass so, that's pretty bad. I'll definitely check those bands out though. thank you !
Elena Marie Nieman
Yeah, it does seem that way lol
And no problem!
when I imagine death rockers i'm thinking huge teased hair..sometimes mohawked, super big bold eyes etc..not madonna
I was teenager in the 80s and I was new romantic when I was 14 -15 years old , but in that moment being new romantic was a very contemporary thing, I was born in 1971 so I lived every form of this subculture
I'm having a hard time with the pin-up saying 2000. Pin-up just came back from the 50's. Not started in 2000. It's a stretch all over.
NOxxieKayes MadMAD World IT came back in the 2000s
I don't understand why it's in an goth vid
With the cone shaped hair, i wonder if she styles it with Goth juice? Maybe that's what keeps it up? Robert Smith's tears... hmmm...
The Mighty Boosh!
made from the tears of Robert Smith- Vince Noir
ooohhhh noel fielding, goth detective!
The man is legend!! :D Sorry, i had to say it. There's no way a goth style video is complete without mentioning it :D
+d.ystheria lol All I can see is him hiding behind his cape now lol
You and your husband should react to 40 years of men's goth in under 4 minutes
I was also very surprised that there wasn't any Victorian Goth. Lot's of categories left out but I was impressed by the efforts. 🖤
Never considered PUNK as GOTH. That DEATH ROCK was totally wrong!! CYBER is now called SCENE depending on where you live. STEAMPUNK has always been its own thing. PIN UP has absolutely nothing to do with GOTH!!! I've always found PASTEL GOTH as soft GOTH, for those who don't what to truly commit.
You are so right about all the things they've missed!
100% agreed
It was supposed to be called "Psychobilly" that's the punk pin up. Gothabilly is goth pin up. You're right that Pin Up is not goth, but they do have a goth version. It's basically black and skulls lol
I really agree about punk punk us not goth unless you are calling it punk-goth punk is its own subculture
Punk is the parent of Goth. It's not the same but you have to acknowledge it from a fashion perspective because it influenced everything including metal and disco fashion in the 70s and 80s.
+Dylan A. Kent completely agree. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
I'm a "Death Rocker." I have a 90's grunge look (torn jeans, tank top, flannel, sloppy hair, heavy eyeliner, tattoos.) Then again, sometimes I like a more "Bohemian" look. I kind of flip-flop between them and often fuse the two. :) But whatever their interpretation was there, it was odd to me. Looked more high-fashion and I gotta wonder who the ffffflippity-skip chose that look. It was cute, but certainly FAR from what most death metal girls look like. Key ingredient to DEATH METAL folk: Have headbangable hair. ;) And that outfit they chose, would never survive a moshpit. LOL!
I agree I'm a metal head and death metal and black metal grunge from the 80s & 90s
You're "Deathrock"??? hahahhahahaaha NOPE......Deathrockers are not Death Metal related.Please know what your talking about before labeling yourself.I'll be nice enough to give you a few examples of Death Rock bands, so you can have a better understanding. Ex-Voto, Cinema Strange,Kommunity FK, Christian Death. ~Stay Spooky~
I was just saying what I'm into I'm not Death Rock at all ty😃
Drexel Aw...What a kind and necessary rudeness. Thank you! So appreciated! I am now informed that "Death rock" is for snobs. So I guess the look does indeed suit the genre. ;)
My Pleasure and you're quite welcome. Have a Fangtastique Day Vv"""vV
I wish we could see a video on every single sub you just mentioned. ❤
when she says yes i love it idk but her tiny accent tho👌😂👏
I'd love to see her try cybergoth or "gravers"
ravers*
*gravers. Goth ravers.
If I were to do Cybergoth it would come out like a cross between Hellraisers "Pinhead" and "Lawnmower Man" when Jobe becomes a virtual entity before being absorbed into Cyberspace, and ringing all the telephones. It would be tres creeposo...
gravers is a better term in my opinion
I'm pretty sure gravers and cyber goths are 2 totally different things I was a graver in the early 90's and we didn't look cyber goth at all... cyber goth is a whole new generations take on it... if she wanted to go graver all she would have to change is her pants 😂
I dunno about you, but I'm totally into Goth2Boss.
Bahahahaha XD ❤️
Ahahaha, I really appreciate this reference xD
This comment though ♥
Holy fuck YES!
OH MY GOD XD I was not expecting this
For pinup, I think they were trying to do dita von teese(maybe trying to get to gothabilly), but took a few wrong turns getting there, and decided last minute to play it safe and do a simple pinup look with a hint of "Spooky". lol
They did gothic Lolita dirty man…
We very ancient Goths remember the days when Goths were swashbucklers and pirates and women wore flamboyant capes and scarves and the clothes were rich jewel tones, velvet, leather, lace. The true Goth days. We were called Gothic because our aesthetics were to fashion what Notre Dame and other grand gothic cathedrals are are to architecture...This apparently has died and been forgotten. At least according to "40 years of goth style" (which has not earned the right to be in upper case)....Steam Punk is more closely related to the roots of "Gothic" than any other mutation that has existed.
Black Friday what's ur fav type of goth mine would have to be Victorian I love the old 1700-1800s style lol
But I am more of a metal goth lol I would like to mash some Victorian style in with it
I love your makeup/contacts. You look like you're shot in greyscale but colour added to the background and your eyes, so cool!
Early 1980s batcave and mid 90s , were hot as heck.
Exact same reactions I had!
Woo! x
I'd like to second that. You had the same exact reactions I had to all of those. I was like 'good... good... No? Death Rock isn't like that? Okay... alright... Eh some Goths are Steampunk but not all Steampunks are Goth, PIN UP WHAT NO!? Why not just do rockabilly?' and then when it comes to Pastel Goth I feel pretty neutral but I was like "I bet Black Friday would rage at this part'. Lol.
***** Yess the pinup was so incredibly random. And to my knowledge, arent death rockers usually sporting deathhawks and all kinds of spiky accessories? She looked more like a bucksome Madonna.
Madonna! THAT'S what it is. I hadn't been able to figure out what it reminded me of, lol. Yeah a big huge fluffy deathawk definitely would have looked better. And not blonde, ugh, it'd have to be black. I mean blonde hair is the hardest color to make 'goth' IMO. It can be done but it's just better to go with literally any other color at all.
Edit: Just struck me... it's possible they were confusing hair metal/glam rock with goth somehow on that one. Lol.
Ahhh that makes sense, it did look closer to glam goth than death rocker.
as a non goth here what I'd call them (for fun, so sorry if this offends you)
1- punk- rebel goth
2- bat cave - 80's goth mom
3- deathrock - lady gaga goth?
4- romantic - classic goth
5- cyber - neon robo
6- Lolita - creepy cute loli
7- steam punk - "I live in a clock tower" goth
8- pinup - summer
9- pastel - tumblr goth
10- nu goth - witch goth
They're cute names! :p Witch/Strega style is a seperate thing (that's what I consider myself)
hahaha that was very creative, thank you!!! :3
(I'm a metalhead goth actually but...yeah whatever, I love all goth subcultures :33)
80's goth mom and Lady Gaga goth xD Love it!
+Venus Aura it was awsome and very creative, wasn't it? xD
....Seems accurate.
As a lolita fashion fanatic, she looks like doll, not a lolita.
black friday is actually my fave person in the world omg she's so gorgeous and lovely!
Victorian goth, vampire goth, bubble goth are some of the most popular goths and it wasn't in the video and I was like w0t
And by vampire goth I'm actually talking about vampire goths that do the teeth and stuff and not romantic btw |
+Scream Nikki Victorian goth and Vampire goth, even though not really official, are both sub-categories of romantic goth. Don't know what that bubble thing is
Oh I remember now, yeah that was bullshit
I don't think I'd consider bubble goth to be popular. It got coined by Kerli, then after that I've never seen anyone dress like that.
As for Victorian goth: I think it's very similar to romantic goth, which is why it's not in the video. Both are similar in style, and formed around the same era, so it would be repetitive to put both in.
I love bubble goth!! :3
you have such an intelligent point of view that you always articulate so clearly. its part of the reason i enjoy watching your videos so much despite not being a part of the goth culture.
The blonde/platnum death rock look was a thing, believe it or not. Very early 80's. They really got the 2 toned shades of it really well. I was impressed. Neon colors, too. At that time people weren't used to those bright colors. They showed up well under black lights in the clubs. They were usually worn with torn black clothing held together with safety pins. Safety pins for earrings were also great accessories.
My RE teacher came into school today dressed in steampunk and it was really surprising because she's like a little old woman😂
The lolita community hated this! It looked like a cheesy Halloween costume, tried to do a mana -ish style and fell on their faces. I was very disappointed with the lolita look but pretty much anyone whose outside of the community and does no research ends up with something like this.
Exactly! Each sub-subculture they tried to represent was very blah. I guess doing a four minute video of 40 years was the hook but they could've tried harder to create more authentic looks or add more styles and just edited it better to something.
ikr? I'm still amused from all the lolitas just popping out from the woodwork and that most of us collectively agree that the makeup was horrendous. I'm still a bit so-so on why gothic lolita was included tho. There is crossover and influence from western goth, but gothic/EGL is its own thing under the Lolita fashion umbrella and was around at least before goth itself was established.
Also did some poking about and there's a few explanations about some of the outfits on the directors fb. But goddess that daily mail article is a bit ://///
"Lolita goth". lol ok
Is the same shit, chill out.
+Allen Montgomery their "Lolita " reminded me of a cosplay costume,and why the Amidala lipstick?
+redonyx Probably included because it was influenced by Western goth, mashed and squished in Japan, and flew back to the West while decked out in Vivienne Westwoods and parasols. ;)
Joking aside, I'm glad it was noticed. Even if I can't get past the horrid makeup.
Steampunk always reminds me of the Ballad of Mona Lisa music vid
That's because It was steampunk
I like you
True
same
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE. Also you like dan and phil :)
I am a gothic style steampunk, and I absolutely agree. it is not just a subgenre of goth or sci fi, it's a friggin subculture.
faerie goth sounds magical🖤✨
ok not into Goth fashion much (but I love wearing black flowy dresses and black lipstick kinda, it makes me feel like a dark goddess lol but I'm young so I can't wear much of that)
but I think your makeup looks rly neat and stunning
*im
Personally we didn't do a reaction video because of any bandwagon. We did it because our subscribers asked us to. I personally base the subject matter on my channel on a combination of my intrests and my subscribers interests.
Although we basically had similar reactions to this. I absolutely love you. Just wanted to be clear my channel is my own. Im an old lady goth so most of the subjects i address are geared towards elder goths 💚
Of course! I just saw your one pop up as recommended for me :) Go hard and make videos about anything you want xoxox
Today I tried 3 outfits and makeups...and I gotta say..being a goth baby bat or whatever you called the freshmans..it’s not ugly,it’s not scary,it’s not even weird..it’s..CUTE AF
It is like you say, Goth Fashion it like a tree with many branches. The video wasn't meant to be linear, but rather to show about when each style started branching off from the main "trunk". I still see people at goth clubs (and even Anime and Comic conventions!) dressed in all the different styles, from the "Punk" and "Cyber", to the more "traditional black", and the "Steampunk". It is all about what make you enjoy the culture as a whole.
I love your "Goth Tree" analogy 😜 so many subcultures, it's awesome!
The death-rock looked more like Nina Hagan's style to me
Same
My thoughts exactly
Really? Nina hagen is way extremer than this.. this seriously just reminded me of Madonna LOL
Exactly !!!
Nina Hagen is known outside of Germany??
I grew up in the Hollywood goth scene, and they totally missed the boat on the most of these.
I'm glad you talked about the different "branches." Ones I would have liked to have seen:
1. Victorian Goth - As the name suggests, the Victorian-inspired goth look. We didn't have a lot of them in SoCal.
2. Velvet Goth - This was bigger in Orange County in the richer areas, and was all about crushed velvet and saturated jewel tones.
3. PVC Goth (huge in Hollywood in the 90s). These were the ones we call Cybergoths.
4. Death Rock - I don't know about anyone else, but the Death Rocker I am familiar with was just punk fashion in black with a lot of ripped jeans and (on occasion) black flannel, combat boots, and black fatigues (sometimes the black and white camouglage pants). Unlike some videos, most of us a) didn't have Robert Smith hair, and b) most of us went with this look because we were too broke for the rest.
5. Lolita Goth is something new to me; we just called them Baby Goths. Or, more insultingly, Goth-In-A-Box because they shopped at Hot Topic.
6. Gothabilly should be in this video, but they bungled it.
7. Nu-Goth is actually kind of cool in its look, but strikes me as too Hot Topic and therefore falls into what I consider Baby Goth.
8. What they called Cyber Goth we simply referred to as Club Kids. The ones that showed up at Helter Skelter and Perversion could barely move because they had monstrous elevator platform boots.
9. Corporate Goth would have been cool to see, especially since I'm now (whimper) old and professional, and going gray, more in this category.
10. Lingerie Goth - Always my favorite for the ladies, and as the name implies was largely lingerie under punk rockish/Madonna-esque rags.
11. Vampire Goths - We just referred to the ladies in this category as Morticias.
12. Industrial Goths - Rivethead fashion, gothic makeup.
13. Emo - though we made fun of them and considered them on the fringe of the scene (even more than the Baby Goths), they were just grunge kids who dyed everything black with Rit dye.
Those were the big ones I saw the most of, until I moved around the country. Edwardian Goths seemed to be more of an East Coast thing, and Victorian Goths more of a Southern thing.
I love a Stevie nicks hippy goth look.
i was actually interested in vixtorian goth a little while ago. i still like victorian goth
Where's the bondage straps over the pastel outfit? The outfit wasn't enough to push it back from the edge of modern prep.
By modern prep I mean it's basically normal fashion with colorful hair. The pastel aesthetic involves not only bondage harnesses but stockings, hair accessories and a heavy emphasis on nail art. Shame they didn't browse more than one outfit post before building the look. The detail is what sets it apart.
Thanks for the clarification. It just looked like normal fashion that you'd find in the chain stores to me.
I think pin up could be goth but needs more black and also more spooky things.And also there are more types of goths like Perky goth,Gothabilly,Victorian,...
You can't really change a style of goth, then it really wouldn't be that style anymore, pin up is pin up because of the lack of black
My grandmother once came up to me wearing my normal all black attire(black shirt, black jeans/pants, black shoes and other accessories) and asked me "hey Are you like a goth?" A turned to her and said "haha I don't have to tell you anything..." one of most rebellious moments I had this year! Ha I'm pathetic
I wish they'd done industrial or rivet head
And esoteric/vampire.
Those are the style I like
*styles
Victorian is my favorite.
Isn't cybergoth industrial????
Industrial is more military/dystopian style.
Like, lots of metal studs and kinda pristine. Not quite so colorful.
A lot of it looks like uniforms
Sir Cotton, Esquire, Cyber goth exist in the industrial realm and associate with that music style/presence, but actual industrial style is closer associated with rivethead.
I think of cyber goth as the colorful sci-fi cousin of rivethead/industrial
i'm often dressed victorian goth thanks for bringing it up. I love victorian fashion
I'm not even goth but I LOVE watching your videos. Honestly I'm super jealous of people who are completely happy being themselves. I think goth style is so fascinating and I love learning more about it!
the whole deathrock look they showed was very nina hagen i love it
I think they put pinups because there are some gothic pinups
Roberta L you mean 1 pin up? Dita Von Tease is the only Pin Up I know of...
I think they meant to put gothabilly which is a cross of pin up and gothic fashions and music, but pin up isn't goth even though it is found in the more alternative stores
Ahaha goths venturing into a whole new world....'brown'!
So is it goth then??? HMMMM......lol
Gravers are still a thing. They're the candy wearing emo kids at edm parties.
Cybers are the colorful happy-go-lucky counterparts to the elder rivetheads at the party :p
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It's kind of funny/interesting to look at Nu Goth and see it called Witch Goth because the pagan symbolism has always been there in punk, metal, goth, glam and folk music/fashion. It's not new at all but hey...I'll take it. The more pentagrams the better!
there is an actual style for us pagans and witches out there called Strega. the style depicted here is called nugoth.
+StrangeMode Thanks! Never heard that term referred to fashion, only to Italian witchcraft.
+StrangeMode
I've heard of strega but never really seen the look. How similar to nu goth is it?
+SdisticDrummer it's not similar to Nugoth at all. it's a very witchy. Very layered . look up Mai magi on fb as well as Psyhcara. they are very good examples of Strega goth.
+SdisticDrummer Nugoth is kind of witchy. However it's very form-fitting and very keen on using satanic and witchy kind of symbols on the Forefront which kind of can look like it's doing it for the purpose of shock Factor. strega is more flowy and less keen on the in your face pagan symbols.
Would have love to see some corporate/military goth. Would be awesome to have actual Goths make a video like this :)
Would be a really fun remake to do, and yeah like, loads of people wear those styles :)
Those are my favourite styles, sadly way to broke haha plus NZ is shit for shopping XD I hope someone will remake it, it would be awesome to have an accurate portrayal
+It's Black Friday Yes, please! Would you, do this?!
i'm gonna explore this channel more, seeing as i'm emo and would like knowing a bit more about goth.
I am in my 50s now and grew up with 80s goth, a lot of clubs and bars in the UK that goths frequently attended also had punks, metal heads and psychobillies, all kind of smushed in together, maybe that's where some of the crossovers and misconceptions come from, lots of goths like me had friends who listened to the cramps, and spear of destiny which were psychoBilly bands, I quite liked some of it myself and still do, I think 'cause we all hung out together and shopped for a lot of our clothes and record etc in the same place, elder goths accept these other groups as part of the same scene. Maybe the person who made the vid is older like me, they do seem to have a better understanding of the vintage side of the culture, than the modern distinctions.
Idk about you all but I can't stand pastel goth. It's more of tumblr's obsession with pastels. Like pastel is the opposite of goth.
I guess the person who came up with it couldn't leave the pastel colors behind .-.
I honestly don't find it terrible, but some of it- especially if the theme is pink and black- i super cringy.
I know right
same
and nu goth. they just put some pentagrams and upside down crosses and call themselves goth. that's just very posery. :/
Also I think tumblr gave pastel goth a bad name, because all the pastel goths I've seen call themselves goth, but don't even know the history of goth.
There wasn't much emphasis on industrial. I was hoping to see a female version of Trent Reznor.
True, that would have been cool :)
Yes "Rivethead" or Industrial Goth would have been awesome to see.
I love your videos black Friday. They always make my day just all the idea you have an your personality. Its amazing
As someone who loves steampunk, I never knew it was kinda part of the goth thing