Ladakh Standoff Is A Sum Of China's Fears About Aksai Chin Highway, Says Former Corps Commander
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The current standoff in Ladakh between Indian and Chinese troops should not be looked at in isolation just as a skirmish between two armies, says Lt Gen PJS Pannu, a former Commander of the Leh-headquartered 14 Corps in the latest episode of Strategic Insight, a programme done in association with USI, India's oldest military think-tank. The Chinese are very sensitive to any infrastructure development that India does which, in their view threatens the Highway G-219 that connects Tibet to Xinjiang. Coupled with the fear over the Aksai Chin Highway being threatened, is India's decision to create Ladakh as a separate Union territory and China's own aggression born out of worldwide negative sentiments, that has led to the current situation on the Line of Actual Control, Lt Gen Pannu says in this interaction with StratNews Global Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale.
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A truly brilliant program, bravo!👏👏👏 This extremely well informed and level headed ex-commander has very clearly explained why the hostile and inhospitable border regions of India-China present very unique and therefore eternal challenges that lead to such military skirmishes in the absence of methods to deal with them. In so doing, he has laid out the basis for a blueprint to work with. He should be the chief border blueprint trainer to educate the military and bureaucracy of both countries to make them understand how it works. 🙏🙏🙏🇮🇳🇨🇳🙏🙏🙏
You Have to 'Look in the Eye" and Stand up to the Chinese, Only then they will Respect you, Or Else, They Will Walk All Over you with Impunity! India Must Never trust the Chinese Completely in Future and India Must Be Always on Guard!!!. Many thanks from Canada for Hosting Lt General Pannu!
Give and take is practical for a resolution but with China, it becomes impractical, since they may end up saying Delhi is Chinese territory and so is patna
Extraordinarily , completely explained nut & bolts about the tacical 'on-the-lineresponsibilities that lie in the chirpy, lifey, lovely hills & passes & nalla & water-valley/gorges of ladakh, arunachal pradesh that lie all along the 4000km #TibetIndiaBorder . my humble dhanyawaad to this gentle soldier , to this responsible journalist :)
Arunachal Pradesh is not South Tibet .
Chinese Occupied Tibet is North Arunachal Pradesh.
Seriously we are busy with reducing our own poverty and we're going to achieve that this year, Delhi is just a shit hole for us and no single Chinese would agree to waste money on that shit hole. Think about that, it takes us nearly 30 years to eliminate poverty in China now we have new city of Slums/Rapist/Illiteracy/Castle System/Plague, etc. So do me a favor, keep Delhi for India. Thanks and goodbye.
@@kyawmintpho5696 Now in one year your chyna can't keep up the electricity in megha city's take your ass hole country to your self 😂😂😂😂😂
@@demonjay5790 Seriously do you want to compare the power supply in the two countries?
Nitin ji, your inclusion of maps while talking with retired corps commander is superb. It helps understanding the matter. thank you
Stratnews programs generally have very good clarity. Time well spent if one wants to be informed on these issues. Great job team👍 Thanks🌹
If you see the other side of the coin there is hope. I'm talking about ongoing disputes with China. Although late but we have started to notice the silent,deeprooted and dangerous moves taken by the that country. Be it economical, strategic, social and so on.
Boycott china can be looked as a small move but it is a vision. It will be a tremendous blow to them looking at the power of Indian market.
Likewise act east is going to be a game changer provided we change it to act east quickly.
Developing Andaman and Nicobar as strategic points will have multifold benefits.
India can deliberately raise the issues such as Tibet, Taiwan, Hongkong, Myanmar, Baluchistan etc at international levels and help these countries if possible. This will hit China really bad.
And so on...
But thank you both for a wonderful talk we are really looking forward to see you soon. 🙏
Very sensible talk.. hats off to you both gentlemen's..
Sensible? With due respect to the General.. He is talking more like a diplomat...Nitin Gokhale has peddled lies through out this incident... this time he talks abt give n take....Where has he questioned the response of govt in any of his videos?
i challenge him to do an episode with Gen. panag....Nitin Gokhale wont do it Coz he will expose the lacunae in our establishment...
I forgot strategy for a while and was simply mesmerized by the crisp, polished and fluent English of the General.
Koi dantoh , baaloh, Rang SAAY marah jah TAA haa aap POLISED ENGLISH PAAY MAAR GAYAH. BATT AAE BUT.....
ahsan mir
Mana ki tere deed ke kaabil nahi hoon main, tu mera shauk dekh, mera intezar dekh
Most Indian Armed Officers are very articulate in Hindi and English.
1. Give public statement to Recognise Taiwan as Independent Country, looking at build up at both side China can not be any more aggressive.
2. Ban Huawei from Indian Market
3. Stetment from MEA on No One China if no One INDIA
4. Send defence ministrr to Taiwan
I heard that even Taiwan claims Arunachal Pradesh
Taiwan (Republic of China) considers itself as Real China and hence it considers China (People's Republic of China) as part of it. They think CCP occupies PRC.
@@krunalvilkar8681 That is correct, Taiwan claimed both Arunachal Pradesh and Aksai Chin. Taiwan is the exiled previous government of China and many CCP claims are carried over from Taiwan's claims including South China Sea. A lot of people in India are poorly informed about this and it shows in their support of Taiwan which would be all too happy to fight India given the chance. People need to do more research on their own instead of blindly following the media.
In this situation there's no 'Give &Take'' only ''GIVE''.They will keep on moving FORWARD till they are satisfied.
other Indians should be alright with Chinese or Pakistanis having control of mountain tops and passes for the sake of overall Peace and Tranquility and Stability
Shrikant Limaye
Yes; "till they are satisfied" that is when they reach Kanyakumari, declaring it all as China (& crossing Palk strait to do the same in SriLanka). It seems you don't know (the Imperial mind-set) of China.
It was a absolutely non partial analysis without any bias. The Chinese pont of view in safeguarding their strategic interest, difficulty in demarcation of LOC keeping in view the military preference of including heights or ridgelines on to their side including the passes makes this issue almost unresolvable. Loosing one ridge line in boundary demarcation by beurocrartes can put back an army to even 50 km behind and making the area in between volunarable to future incursion or expension of Chinese PLA.
Brilliantly put forward by the Commander. Kudos to both the gentleman.
You are absolutely correct about what this esteemed commander is saying.
Gen. Pannu is a solid guest. Always enjoyable hearing his thoughts.
Very matured thought from a general whose head is cool and pragmatic unlike many who know only to shout.
Does anybody think that Mr. Gokhale completes sentences of guests by cutting them or maybe completing their sentences? Let those guest say whatever they want to say.
It's such Generals of the Indian Army who are absolutely unruffled with the happenings on the border and maintain a perfect stoic composure and their ability to think, plan and command forces keeping their morale high - convinces me that henceforth PRC cannot have a free run as it used to in the past when it comes to our borders. The recent displays of rock solid response offered by Indian Army to PLA is also commendable and clearly a new phenomenon due to regime change since 2014.
All those sceptics, who cry hoarse should ask themselves why such skirmishes and standoffs weren't heard of in the past ?? Simply, bcoz Indian forces were asked to relent everytime (by previous regimes) and things always went in Chinese's favour. This has clearly stopped now. Another reason, which General sahb also pointed out is breakneck speed with which India is constructing civil projects including roads and bridges in border areas, which isn't going down well with Chinese and hence such conflicts.
All in all, let's be cautious yet alert and do our bit in hitting China where it hurts most + cutting their moolah !
Jai Hind
Jai Hind ki Sena
👍👍👍💪💪💪🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Hello Amit, You Nailed It very well. Many thanks from Canada!
It is useless to be Nationalistic and Patriotic in 2020. 🇦🇺🇧🇩🇧🇷🇨🇦🇨🇳🇨🇵🇩🇪🇪🇬🇪🇸🇪🇺🇫🇷🇬🇧🇭🇲🇮🇱🇮🇳🇯🇲🇯🇵🇰🇪🇰🇷🇱🇰🇱🇧🇲🇾🇳🇬🇳🇱🇳🇵🇵🇰🇵🇸🇷🇺🇹🇷🇺🇲🇻🇳🇿🇦
@@sha9543 @0 2 And why's that so please ?
I'm indeed intrigued at your short and vague statement!!!
All, I can do to coax n cajole you into coming back n engaging me, is by outrightly rubbishing your statement...
Let's get into a decent, democratic slugfest debate.
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We have already given too much.... not more giving....only to take back what was ours. Jai Hind.... Jai Bharat
Exactly this give and take mindset has ended up with India having the Chinese on our border and all the Kashmir issue. When we had the 1971 POWs, we gave them all back, similar to 1965. We should have settled Kashmir right then and there never would have been a CPEC corridor or chinese interest in Pakistan. Nipping things in the bud, thinking big picture has never been our past strength and I think we still lack here despite having Grandmaster Vishwanathan Anand and more, no true thinktanks.
Mu M
If ever I agree with one person for the views, it is you, as brought out in what you wrote. I hope many more would agree with you & me.
All of what you wrote can be summed up in one word - "Strategy" that we (Indians) lack to a severe degree.
Don't call septic tanks as "think tanks", glorified name to a gutter.
Thanks Nitin and Gen Pannu. Brilliant, professional and informative discussion. Now understood clearly the issues of LAC. Please come out with more such discussions.
Can we develop Ladakh as India's Data Centre Hub, given the cold and arid conditions in much of Ladakh which can significantly reduce the energy used for cooling as compared to other centres in India. This can also improve connectivity and improve surveillance of the region.
however this have to be protected as well because china will strike just there in times of conflict.
Rohit I have thought of this same. But it is difficult in practice due to air attacks.
@@weaksupremacy3799 Sorry but I think we can defend Leh from air attacks just as we can defend Jammu or Amritsar which are far closer to the border. This extra-defensive mindset is the reason for lack of infrastructure in border regions, which needs to change and it will help India in consolidating it's position in border areas
@@rohitsolanki2563 rather than data centre we can build permanent habitation along the lac because physical infrastructure is 90% possession.
@@utubetruthteller Well Ladakh is scarcely populated for a reason. Promoting tourism can also build infrastructure and income for local people
Thanks for sharing very insightful program and this information shared changes the perspective of face off on LAC completely
Very nice info- graphics. Thank you for making!
Thank you sir for such a wonderful discussion. I have seen so many episodes but this episode helped me to understand different perspectives of an army veteran. Thanks again.
once lt gen pannu sir came to our department when i was doing masters, he was then the commander of tri service command in A&N islands.. i took a photo of him and he gave me a stare when i was doing so, even though i did nothing wrong i felt the chills. long story short.. dont mess wit him
Gen. Pannu showed clarity og thought process in boundary settlement which only leads to peace on border. China should be seriously engaged to this direction.
have u ever thought why r we pushing for boundary settlement while China does not even exchange its claim line.....? All these r lies... Wld u settle boundry on China's Terms....Right now they r occupying all the areas of their 1959 claim line n some areas even beyond tht....Are they settling?No....
Point is we have a world war 2 style military and China has moved on , they consider us a push over ...
See the interview again and ask urself , Is there a general speaking or a diplomat...?No wonder we get surprised every nw n then....
All your episodes give lot of knowledge to a civilian about military and strategic matters. Thank you very much for these informative programmes.
More of propaganda n not the reality...If all is good n we r so good, why havent we responded to the Chinese aggression??
Good, informative, no jingoism - Keep it up
The indian army and the various indian governments failed to prepare adequately the defense of tibetan border defense...while this general says he dont understand where the actual LCA lies, the chinese have a clear idea which is 1959 claim line..
These videos are the best. Amazing discussions.
Can Mr. Gokhle let the Guest finish? It looks like he is trying hard to show off his knowledge. It is a bad distraction, with Mr. Gokhle butting in every sentence. Totally avoidable
An independent Tibet is required as a strategic buffer between India and Mainland / Han China
Amazing discussion, in-depth understanding. Enormous knowledge of Ex-Generals like Pannu should not go waste, un utilized. Felt happy to view this video.
As of Aug/29/2020 watershed event, India got hold of peaks like Black top, helmet top & 30 new peaks. It is inline to what this general have in perception of border infrastructure & peaks.
This gave India high moral boost overall. Indian public, military, rulers. Perception of world on India changed too. China sooooo confused now. In the future China can’t take us for granted any more. 👌✌️
Nitin jee & Pannu jee you are simply awesome. Just continue more & more programs like this. These acts as guiding, lamp posts to asses, re-assure, in case needed to correct our path.
Gen Pannu, thanx for giving insight on crisis at Ladakh. Very nice and informative discussion. Gen. Pannu and Nitin ji, though I agree with your most points, I can't agree with your suggestion of give and take. Give and take will give legitimacy to Chinese claim on Aksai chin/ Aksai Bharat and we shall permanently loose our moral ground on Tibet, too. Thanx.
Very informative program. Please keep up the good work
I agree with both of you but now we cannot look back Jai hind
The interaction has greatly helped to understand the conflict between India and China.
Hats off both Mr. Goghale and Commander Pannu for your lucid analysis.
Great interview
I don't agree with conclusion of give and take, No matter how much you bend, they will keep coming back wanting. But rather agree to give power to settle MOD northern to eastern borders disputes. CCP policy is to keep borders dispute open and also destabilise India other borderline countries too.
Thank you Lt General Pannu !
This was good. Thanks General and Nitin.
Very informative and precisely from the strategic point of view. Wondering when our mainstream media especially the circus news channels on tv will acquire a sense of such proffesionalism
This program is fabulous for anyone who wants to gain knowledge on Military & Strategic Affairs. Hope this channel gains more views & be popular among youngsters.
Very clear perspective by Pannu
Thanks
It is an excellent interview and both Nitin and the guest have spoken with admirable clarity. Thanks a lot for cutting the clutter. I have just a suggestion. There are occasions when both are talking that renders the dialogue a little unclear. Thanks once again.
Great channel. Meaningful guest.. Gen Pannu. Great discussion. Pls keep up your standards like this only.
Tell truth to the nation
Everybody making the same mistake by calling Tibbet as China inspite of the fact that Tibbet was an independent sovereign country before China annex it forcefully.Hence calling of it as China or Chinese territory is misnomer and submission to illegitimate Chinese claim.The fact is India do not have territorial proximity with China but with Tibbet.
Do an episode on strategic weapons of our country which is not classified.
No give and take ...our land is our and we should take back on any cost
Excellent show...lots of good details shared by professionals
Wow superb discussion n analysis 👍👌
As they say Might is right. Proof India trying to resolve through dialogue with China (stronger adversary) but at the same time don't want any type of dialogue with Pakistan (weaker adversary).
Good to Hear your Experience in Arunachal Pradesh. Please go in detail about infrastructure.
After long time this discuss which i want. Very nice discussion
Best and sensible analysis by a feal knowledgeable general! 🙏🙏
Nice presentation of graphics and good talk overall.👍
Hats off to the Editor & Gen . Pannu for a very informative discussion that has blown away many a misconception regarding the current stand off. Try to work out an acceptable solution that will stand the test & vagaries of time & be beneficial to both. My hunch is that XI is now ruing the decision that has burned down the bridge of friendship that Modi had so assiduously been building with him. What he had so foolishly lost will take generations to retrieve.
Solution was worked around in the 1990s after Sumdrong Chu....International relations r dynamic... China is over 4 times our economy now... they feel they can shift LAC westwards n get away with it... N they have succeeded....N we have such journos instead of debating options n questioning govt of why such a lapse took place( 100s of structures r not built in a day)...this so called journo talks abt give n take...shameful to say the least...
Very knowledgeable
The question nobody seem to be asking is : if China has some concerns, why haven’t they discussed on so many meetings they have been having with India instead of taking a military action. Also, why did they think the value of this action so much that they wouldn’t mind risking relationship with India for the next 10-20 tears
S R
What relationship you're talking about? Its deeply flawed.
Fact is PRC (Communist government) feels its inheritance to the Empire that was effaced in 1922. So, they occupied Tibet (government of Nehru' acquised to it, as he felt no other option was at hand). Most Indians aren't aware that Tibet was a vassal state of China, on & off. Yet, the fact remains that China & India, never had common boundary, ever from the earliest (dawn of history) times, till PRC (re-)occupied Tibet in 1950. India got deeply involved in this issue when they hosted Dalai Lam'as government in exile. Please face these facts & conclude.
Interesting! The general's perceptions are crystal clear...a rare quality.
Most generals are garbled in their thinking but he is clear.🙏🏼
Not really... Army men esp Officers have very clear cut ideas... Where they seem to bungle up is when they need to tread a line where they are supposed to be seen as being loyalists to the govt, and subservient to the babus... I will agree with you to say that generals and their Kin try to be more diplomatic as they are closer to the seat of power and in the process they appear quite disoriented in what and how they say things... Actually bungling it up in more ways than many..
YES SIR.. TODAY I HAVE SUBSCRIBE YOUR CHANNEL. IT'S HAS GOOD VALUABLE INFORMATION...KEEP IT UP SIR.. 👍👍
I had subscribed to this channel just couple of months back, and the quality of discussion, subjects, the panelists are extra ordinary brilliant. When we watch general TV news channel, they look like gossip groups and full of only idiots.
The coverage of topics are very good and for a civilian, it actually teaches the 'defence of nation' as subject in very lucid & informative manner. The depiction of various maps during the discussion helps in understanding this difficult topic very clearly.
It is unfortunate that this channel has less than 50K subscribers. To that end, all those love this channel should publicise it to bring more awareness of defence matters among fellow Indians.
A good discussion. All discussions regarding gove and take should be related to the International Border and not LAC.
Lt Gen PJS Pannu sir, WELL said and well explained BUT what's still missing is on how we go about it to tackle an aggressive CHINA As we ALL know letting them occupy means India's Northern frontier starting from PoJK till the Eastern side Ladhak into Aksai Chin is highly vulnerable and will remain a security threat by BOTH these adversaries on both the side, ALL because the Chinese PLA feels threaten as their CPEC is passing through Indian Territory How dare CAN they do this and how DO and what do we do to get them all BACK... Please don't skip expect your good well thought reply to India... Jaihind
Excellent analysis.
When are we laying claim to Chinese territory ??? Make china greater Assam 🙏🙏🙏
Aditya Sridhara
First acquire Tibet & make PRC feel that it isn't Chinese territory, but occupied territory (The English, for instance, never called India "a part of Britain"). It is legitimate, not immoral. Give that back to the Tibetans, as it was neevr part of India in history. Once that is done, PRC will backtrack on an unprecedented scale. And with it goes Xinjiang. .
Very intresting talk.
Plus points for the graphics... minus for your interruptions while the General was speaking
PRC has clean rivers and good water planning while India's great Ganges river has been reduced to liquid waste with condoms and bottles floating everywhere. That's all the comparison you need. PRC wins.
Discussion was very matured,,,,,,quality,,,,,
Nitin ji great interview. Salute and heart felt thanks to Gen Sahab as a citizen for his sacrifices and service to the Nation. Very inspirational 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙇🏽🇮🇳🇮🇳
Very good post.
How can you guys say this.... Those disputed areas are of certainly INDIA's as they(Chinese) have occupied our territories. How can you weakened our own claims... We got our maps rt from our childhood as whole of j and k to b INDIA's... This is upsetting.
Very nice discussion but the bottom Line is CCP does not want to settle on a Permanent border, i am sure you have heard the story of Sher and Memna, when Sher accuses Memna of Drinking water from a stream, and Memna says this was the first time he has come here , and to that Sher says it Must have been your father then. So sher was looking for excuses to eat Memna up which he did. This is what ccp is doing , does not want to settle , only is buying time to attack.
And India should be ready to go all in . Jai Hind.
Sounds like very Timid General reflects the Country leadership
A wise General.
So very true strategically. This development should have been done long long ago. That's where India has miscalculated. Now they are making up for time losses which India should have developed not only for the army but also for the locals.
U guys r great.
Nitin, please refer to it as Indo-Tibetan border and not India China boundary. There is no direct border between India and China.The entire border is with COT ( Chinese Occupied Tibet)
Good information
Lt.Gen. PJS Pannu sir, why don’t u write a book about what u have commented in plain n simple English. We would love to read it n enrich our knowledge.
Patrolling is not Nation building. Respecting your citizens.
Good Analysis
While respecting the opinion of commander, It has to be said that main core interest i.e territorial intgerity is not negotiable. Not wanting war cannot be an excuse for continosly harming national interests and the idea of India itself as no mordern nation state can exist for long with a lax attiude towards terriotal integerity.
I concur... If such is the thought process of our military leadership no wonder we get surprised and cant think beyond tactics...he didnt mention even once abt our offensive plans for ladakh and how they can be employed(without divulging exact details)...Instead talked abt diplomacy n Give n take...
Must say this Nitin gokhale Chooses his panelist carefully...first was Col. Dinny who Claimed Chinese cannot take finger 4 heights...Only to be countered by Gen panag tht he can walk upto those heights even at his age ...Satellite images proved col. Dinny wrong....
he gets panelist to peddle a certain narative....
No Discussion.. Out n Our propoganda....
It's so much educating , the govt should teach the subject in colleges. So that the new generation will come to know about our country. And also will know how our defence personnel are sacrificing for us.
In real world more aggressive force gain more, you are already discussing that. Diplomatic settlements can never recover land lost, aggressive force will always take advantage of their first move.
Either you give the ITBP a marked agreed line to patrol and police or leave it to the Army how to contest and defend the perception of the LAC. Police forces are not fit to defend perceptions in militarily contested areas. In our case, we have resorted to a system that is contrary to functional requirements - given perception to ITBP and some imaginary line to defend to the Army Such absurdity will neither defend a line nor a contested perception.
Actually China should be happy if India taked over Ladakh areas occupied by Pakistan since China can easily workout transit formalities through this road after India takes over. China can send trucks to Pakistan and already India through this road there by making the road more useful for China.
24:00 exactly what has happened on 30-31st Aug 20... Indian Army raced to top beating noodles team.
Tell the truth how many India soldiers got killed during the standoff
Thank you, Mr Gokhale for bringing us Lt Gen Pannu's enlightening insights. It seems to me that your discussion with Lt Gen Pannu has opened a door that you did not notice. It's all very well to reaffirm the need for gentlemanly behaviour on borders, both settled and disputed, but at several points in the discussion the obvious next question would have been about how the Chinese think, and within that context, how the Cultural Revolution generation behaves. In other words, there is quite a stark imbalance between examining the minutiae of Indian conduct in respect of protocol, taking what Indians understand as good behaviour as universally self-evident, a baseless assumption. Some Chinese troops under one commander sneaking a few kilometres deeper into India while talks are going on MUST be traced all the way back to how the Chinese perceive themselves in relation to others, and have done over centuries. This is the only gap I see in your otherwise excellent work. You can close that gap, Mr Gokhale, for India's sake.
Want more episodes quickly.
Let's not look at LAC N LOC ...these are temporary... We need to free Tibet N get whole of j N k ... No more cowardly decisions from our political leadership...
JAI HIND
Is it possible to have a discussion on the feasibility of wresting POK, purely using the military options ?
Or would it necessarily lead to disclosure of sensitive information detrimental to Indian military plans ?
India has to loose not an inch of land in AP or Ladhak - final
What do you think should be our next steps to push back China as it seems China is not budging till now?
1. Give public statement to Recognise Taiwan as Independent Country, looking at build up at both side China can not be any more aggressive.
2. Ban Huawei from Indian Market
3. Stetment from MEA on No One China if no One INDIA
4. Send defence ministrr to Taiwan
Full force attack by the mighty Indian army.
you don’t need enemy, when have traitors in the country......
Ladakh Standoff Is A Sum Of China's Fears About Aksai Chin Highway, Says Former Corps Commander - NONSENSE. Its just predatory instinct of a scavenger. Not the predatory instinct of an elite predator (at the top of the food chain).
First decide are both countries are interested to solve border dispute.
If not than the one who is ready has to go or face an all out war.
Sooner or Later.
Today's serioud incidents are because in past everone wanted to sole border issues later.
We must solve it today even if by war.
The ultimate idea for permanent peace in this area.
Excellent! Great clarity. Thank you Lt. Gen. Pannu!
For once we have some sensible and mature content on you tube👍and 🍻, keep up the good work
Nice and practical information and discussion, and your are right on give and take principle for settlement, but till now we have willingly or unwillingly have only given in the form of AKSAICHIN to China and POK and GILGIT Baltistan to Pakistan, what they can offer India in return. Should we ask for independence of TIBBET and Balochistan, or will they agree, sir it is good to talk and strive for price but at some point military dispute that is occupation of POK & GB by Pakistan in 1947-48, and of AKSAICHIN by China in 1962. Will have to solved only when we have military strength have to negotiate from a point of strength. As saying goes every dispute between nations have to be solve on negotiatin table but the negotiator must have a backing of million boynets behind him, but even this is not applicable to Pakistan which never could mature into a nation state. So far as China is concerned they were always land grabbing under the communist regime, and may reclaim that territory upto NALANDA is their's because Whensang had once at foot over there and since he was Chinese, he would not have visited a territory which was not Chinese.