As a longtime fan of Halo, I sort of hoped it might come up. In "Dr Halseys diary" which shipped with the special editions of Halo: Reach, she refers a bit to the mythology that has built up around the historical Spartans when she describes why she chose that name for the program.
When you describe the warlike society games etc present Spartans to be, I keep thinking of Prussia. Macedon is a good example of war done efficiently in ancient times in/around Greece.
Getting trainee in hardship helps with campaigning cand also with hoplite phalanx that requires stamina and high morale. Like for example remember the exhibition they did vs the illyrian with Macedonian. Also they were excellent commanders and given the command of other trooos
This one was one of the initial arguments of the nazis to convince germans to become more austere and to sacrifice in the name of strength and will. The United States, brits lived in relative luxury compared to the Germans and this was viewed as weakness and associated with depravity, as are all wealthy successful cultures. Those who are missing the wealth and live in austerity will value strength and violence and build a mythology that wealth is weakness, and culture is a waste. So yes, wealthier, more diverse nations will sacrifice some military prowess for culture. It could be argued that Spartan mythology contributed heavily to nazi ideology, which probably stemmed some from Prussian history that military strength is the end in itself...
@@user-tp4ii6hs3l I wouldn't say wealthy nations sacrifice military strength. They are usually as powerful as they feel they need to be, given their geopolitical position. Money is extremely important to fighting wars, and if you look at the most powerful empires of the last few centuries (e.g., the European powers), they were mostly wealthy nations. It's true that *some* poorer nations will prioritize military spending/culture, but most don't. For example, take our current world: India, Indonesia, much of S. America, and much of Africa are all relatively poor, but haven't gone the fascist route. And of course, even countries that pretend to have a "warrior ethos" aren't necessarily actually good at war (e.g., Italy in WW2).
@@johanarthurfischer-nielsen5851 Sexual relationships between adults and boys were "encouraged". Even more so, when there was a difference of statut between the two. Must be good training for a kid to be deprived of food and clothes only to get raped by an old and powerful guy. Especially when being on the receiving end was considered a disgrace. Just to make sure to add salt to injuries I guess. A great recipe to make a super soldier.
I love the introductory references to video games, books; really hitting home hard how much this idea of "spartan" has permeated modern society.
Dr. Konijnendijk forcing you to ditch your views about Sparta in 40 minutes.
I saw what you did there 😂🤣 (if you know, you know)
I saw what you Ditch there.@@EthanBSide
Really dug down for that reference 😏
I dig ya
He's a Spartan super-historian.
I love that there’s at least one person who looks at the Spartans through a lens that’s wider than Plutarch and Herodotus.
Thank you!
As a longtime fan of Halo, I sort of hoped it might come up. In "Dr Halseys diary" which shipped with the special editions of Halo: Reach, she refers a bit to the mythology that has built up around the historical Spartans when she describes why she chose that name for the program.
Amazing work
When you describe the warlike society games etc present Spartans to be, I keep thinking of Prussia. Macedon is a good example of war done efficiently in ancient times in/around Greece.
The women said at the start that the Dr is on a podcast does anyone know what’s it called
Getting trainee in hardship helps with campaigning cand also with hoplite phalanx that requires stamina and high morale. Like for example remember the exhibition they did vs the illyrian with Macedonian. Also they were excellent commanders and given the command of other trooos
"why can't we beat the spartans?"
athens: "well...we could....but then we'd just be tryhards, and is that really a life worth living?"
This one was one of the initial arguments of the nazis to convince germans to become more austere and to sacrifice in the name of strength and will. The United States, brits lived in relative luxury compared to the Germans and this was viewed as weakness and associated with depravity, as are all wealthy successful cultures. Those who are missing the wealth and live in austerity will value strength and violence and build a mythology that wealth is weakness, and culture is a waste. So yes, wealthier, more diverse nations will sacrifice some military prowess for culture. It could be argued that Spartan mythology contributed heavily to nazi ideology, which probably stemmed some from Prussian history that military strength is the end in itself...
@@user-tp4ii6hs3l I wouldn't say wealthy nations sacrifice military strength. They are usually as powerful as they feel they need to be, given their geopolitical position. Money is extremely important to fighting wars, and if you look at the most powerful empires of the last few centuries (e.g., the European powers), they were mostly wealthy nations.
It's true that *some* poorer nations will prioritize military spending/culture, but most don't. For example, take our current world: India, Indonesia, much of S. America, and much of Africa are all relatively poor, but haven't gone the fascist route.
And of course, even countries that pretend to have a "warrior ethos" aren't necessarily actually good at war (e.g., Italy in WW2).
beware the sharp tongue of the spartans 🙂
I think Spartans were trained as boys for something else. Could be worse. Could be Egyptian pharaohs.
How could being a pharaoh worse? I was under the impression that there word was law.
@@tylercoleman1620 that whole brother/sister marriage. Eh....
What do you think they were trained for?
@@johanarthurfischer-nielsen5851 read the Wikipedia article on Spartans and how they mentored the young boys during military training.
@@johanarthurfischer-nielsen5851 Sexual relationships between adults and boys were "encouraged". Even more so, when there was a difference of statut between the two. Must be good training for a kid to be deprived of food and clothes only to get raped by an old and powerful guy. Especially when being on the receiving end was considered a disgrace. Just to make sure to add salt to injuries I guess.
A great recipe to make a super soldier.