Is My Father's Work fun?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
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0:00 Introduction
0:19 FUN: Nice bits
1:20 NOT FUN: Mushroom-level mayhem
5:34 FUN: Ending it
8:04 NOT FUN: crApp
12:11FUN: She blinded me with it
12:38 NOT FUN: War, Pestilence... who are we missing?
15:05 FUN: Pithy card text
15:55 NOT FUN: Unpithy app text
16:58 FUN: Putting it back in the box
18:25 NOT FUN: The "Story"
25:30 The Scales of Funstice decide!
25:58 Our many attempts to finish a game
29:18 Worst game ever. 10 out of 10!
31:41Capitalism wants you to believe that your purchases are your identity
32:27 Beware below average games with above average components
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Still don't understand why this isn't one of the most popular boardgamechannels on youtube. Great production value, interesting personality, great voice, interesting points of view... Very, very good content.
Yeah Ryan is great. I appreciate how he is able to look inward on his decisions and come to a rational conclusion. I’m sure he backed this game thinking it would be great. Paid a pretty penny for it too. While the game and components look gorgeous, Ryan was able to figure out why he wasn’t having a good time. He didn’t do any mental gymnastics to justify his purchase. The game isn’t fun to him. He had bad experiences with it. Why should this game get another shot at ruining his night when there are a hundred board games that he knows are good and fun.
That's not even his best stuff. Seriously go watch his rules explanations videos. The man has a gift. He blows Rodney out of the water. Plus he has a sense of humor.
You did it again my dude. Keep up with the "I'm gonna share what everyone is thinking, unabashedly". Love it!
Love the depth and format! You did such a thorough job sharing your views in a unique and comical way.
Really great. You're the best rules-teacher around; this makes me wish for more deep-dive reviews too.
Edit: "chimerical" is such a great word ;-)
Thanks so much, Eric! (i mean, it IS a great word. i just don't know if its use here is prudent.)
I love this type of in-depth review. I'd love to see more of it. The psychological effect you're describing is known as "post-purchase rationalization"
Fantastic term. Stealing it without credit. :P
i just hope your channel grows and grows and grows. always entertaining and informative. thank you for all the efforts u put in.
Your reviews are my favourite style of any board game reviewer! I know you have lots of other things you do, but I would love to see these reviews come out more often :) these reviews and bits please are always top of my list to watch as soon as you drop the videos!
You hurted my feelings.... not. One of your best video's. I recognize so much of me. I keep trying it to find out if i like it. You nailed it about the cost and the feeling of the game play. (It can be bad.)
Great review Ryan, my friend gave this a 10/10 and a glowing review, I have to play it to find out for myself who's right :D.
And if it's me, divorce your friend and make me your new friend! It's the only way!
It's interesting that you mention Splendor, because after my first play I thought "Well that was pretty fun, I really like those heavy poker chips for the gems," and then I thought "wait, how much would I have enjoyed this game if they had used cardboard chits instead of poker chips," and the answer I came up with was "considerably less".
Yes! But it’s back to that Law of Diminishing Returns i talked about. i was even going to attempt some kind of chart. i agree: fun increases as you approach the tactility and cost of those poker chips. And it decreases the closer you get to the cost and feel of ACTUAL rubies and emeralds.
@@NightsAroundaTable Oh I totally agree. I also think the fun we get from components fades more quickly with successive plays than the other kinds of fun a game provides. I think about the resources from Lost Ruins of Arnak. I love that game, and when I got it I was very excited about the little tablets and arrowheads, but that tactile fun isn't what makes me want to replay the game, and if someone had some discount version with all cardboard chits I'd be just as excited to play.
@@hpshovecraft That's a great point! (And i'm still over here 3d printing compasses to make the game even cooler!) But yeah - i'd play stock Arnak any day without complaining.
Thanks for helping me dodge a bullet!
You’re like Neo up in here!
@@NightsAroundaTableI have no idea what that means but thanks! THUMBS UP!!
So much truth in describing human behavior. Thank you!
This applies to me sometimes. I painted all my merchants and marauders ships plus expansion before playing it. After I did, no one in my group liked it and I regretted putting so much time and effort into it. It also greatly elevated the value of the game in my eyes so I don't want to sell it for cost. I will probably have it buried with me. I also backed foundations of Rome because I was afraid I would never be able to play it if I didn't. I have a lot of self work I need to do.
Hahahaha we should go in for group therapy together.
If you LOVE Merchants & Marauders like i did, despite its flaws, but want to play something with a lot of similar elements without the obvious design issues, please do check out Sea of Legends. The late-backer pledge manager is opening soon. i have a HTP up on Rahdo's:
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Love the channel. Great episode.
Top notch video. The last chapter...chef's kiss
This is one of the series that I like a lot. And your outro was amazing this time, it could be a separate video!
Man I loved this video. Thank you so much for calling our the hypocrisy of those FOMO induced kickstarter justifiers. Whenever I mention this on the boardgames subreddit i get downvoted to hell because exactly like you said, those people are projecting their own inability to control their buying impulse outward and everyone who reminds them that maybe they made a mistake is immediately shouted down.
Feels good to see there are more sensible people out there.
Nice discussion of game design principals. I learned more than just about a particular game I should probably avoid getting.
Your videos are simply great :)
Great kickstarter discussion. It has brought good and bad to the industry.
For sure! It’ll be interesting to see whether the two new platforms - GameFound and Backerkit - are helpful or hurtful.
I would say its been more bad than good.
As a victim of the 3 player game mentioned in the video, I support this message
We should attend group therapy.
It is madness people !!
So ive never disagreed so much with review ( i only watched it as i ran into it from another video by him, and decided to leave running as i loved my fathers works), Now someone having a different opinion to me, it generally not enough to get me to leave a comment on a review. But a good third of this was about how you could only have liked it because you had to justify your big expense. SO i knew nothing of the kickstarter, but im in a random game chat group where someone id never met mentioned the game, so i looked at the theme and i loved the idea , so i joined him and 2 others to play it. So i had no cash in this game, no kick starter commitment, nothing to lose buy saying this sucks. BUT i LOVED it (and every one in the group enjoyedllll it) yeah the story elements are definitely too long, It amused me (and puzzled a little) over the use of flowery language. It Made my top 3 of the year and probably sitting in my top 10. I do recognize some of his other complaints, though i dont necessarily agree with his conclusions, but again thats fine. My only real point is i Loved the game for itself not because id spent a lot on it, id spent nothing (though i now own it because i enjoyed it so much) SO as per his statement am i crap because i like this game, even though i didnt pay for it. I dont think so (and neither do i really think he does)
Love your content, we need to share your channel. 👌
I knew you'd bring up Mario Party lol that was like 17 years ago.
We’re you there?? Cheryl and i were trying to remember where that happened. It scarred me.
That does it, I’m upping my monthly pledge.
WE’VE PUSHED HIM OVER THE EDGE, PEOPLE. We must now suffer Spencer’s exasperated generosity! (But really: thank you so much.)
@@NightsAroundaTable I learn lots from your opinion videos. Don’t be afraid to weigh in once and a while. 🙂
BTW I double dog dare you to review the new Puerto Rico and compare it to the original…🤓
@@spencercapier2258 Ooooooooh... i don't think i'm allowed to ignore a double dog dare. Is it massively different? i got a lot of flack from people on that video complaining that i preached woke bs to them the "whole" time (when it was maybe a 30 second mention of slavery in a 15 minute teach video).
@@NightsAroundaTable No, I'm just kidding. I love that game but it has attracted a lot of attention to it that steps outside its actual quality as a game (which is obviously high). While I am glad there's a new edition, and I did buy some green discs to replace the originals, "sometimes a meeple is just a meeple," to paraphrase a turn of the century psychiatrist. It's all good! I think your criticism of MFW game was informative and gentle.
When Scythe came out, people were touting how much story it has. Once I played it, I couldn't find a story. There were some pretty artworks and event cards with flavor text, but no story.
I think that My Father's Work tries to give meaning behind your actions. It's kind of a story telling aid like Gloom is. Is it too long? Yes. Does it have a lot of randomness? Absolutely. But it's that randomness that limits a player's action to force a particular narrative for their character.
Perhaps My Father's Work is more of an activity than a game, but with the right people, it's an experience to remember like Nemesis or Tales of the Arabian Nights.
Yeah - Scythe is another case of people confusing narration for story.
Like you, I had such high hopes for this game. Having the App delayed only strengthened that anticipation and excitement I had built up for it. Then OMG the App is released! I need to play it this weekend with 4 players everybody will love it... Wow, nobody was having fun after the first hour of reading. The game has not been opened since. Where was the interesting decisions or unique twists and turns? Metal gears could have been black cube... same game play. The components were fun for about 20 minutes then you realize they don't really do anything in the game. What animal do I take? Who cares!
Could this game be what it should have been with a better App? Maybe, But I'm not sure I will not be testing it out if it ever does. Thanks for the REAL Review.
Yes - definitely disappointing to find out that the game didn't care if i took a monkey or a shark as my animal. It was like the component designer and the game designer weren't talking.
I was on the fence whether to get this game. Thanks for saving me.
Please buy my copy
I think the perfect example of how law of diminishing returns works when it comes to component quality would be (the ancient) game of Go.
I really wanted to play Go, so I decided to buy a set of stones and a board, however, I didn't bought some cheap plastic stones and cheap cardboard board, because I knew I woudn't enjoy it as much.
Instead I opted for set of nice heavy, double convex glass stones and thick wooden board, sure it did cost more, a bit above 100$ (I guess, I don't rember exactly), but I think it was a good call, since the tactility of those components add to experience in my opinion. It's just nice to handle heavier, larger stones and to hear the sound they make against the board and each other.
Now, let's say (for the sake of argument) that I would chosen some exclusive set of handmade stones made of calmshells and slate stone, along with handmade custom wooden board, it would cost me 10, 20, 30 times more than the option I chose.
Would it matter if I played with the most expensive set? Absolutely not, it's the same game, even with the cheapest set.
Does the component quality matter? Yes, but up to a certain point. Here's where the law of diminishing returns kick in, from my point of view there is no way I could reasonably justify the most expensive option.
That’s a great example! Similar deal with chess… those four dollar sets from WalMart don’t even have boards that lie flat. But you also don’t need pieces made of alabaster with gold detail or whatever.
You sound like you're not interested in revisiting this, but I've _heard_ that the updated app improves the game. I think a really interesting follow-up to this video could be: did the app update fix the game ... somehow? Because, to your own and the designer's admission, you played an unfinished game. I'd like to know if the final product is any different!
Also, totally unrelatedly, I like blinged out games. I think I know what you mean when you bash on spending lots of money on games with trumped up components. I think you mean "stop spending so much money on _bad_ games with trumped up components, and spend your money on _good_ games with trumped up components". I think. Which is very appreciated advice! But your commentary toes the line on suggesting that luxury game components are inherently evil, or something, which I think you'll agree is quite a silly implication!
This is absolutely it. i have a series called Bits, Please! which revolves entirely around blinging out your games. But i think in all those episodes, it's about starting with a game you like and making it even cooler with inserts, expansions, upgraded components, and so on. My Father's Work (and other games like it) are PRE-blinged. They haven't EARNED any degree of blingworthiness. i've backed the Everdell campaign because (despite hating Starling Games, the publisher) i love the game, and every opportunity i've had to bling it out - expansions, 3d printed resource holders (as featured in my Bits, Please! episode), a wooden tree, upgraded components in the collector's edition, meeple stickers... that's all been easy to say "yes" to.
But My Father's Work (and Merchants of the Dark Road and Foundations of Rome and many others) are like what you would get if the Everdell Collector's Edition, with all that stuff, was being offered on Day One. Like... buy a guy a drink first.
Interesting take. I myself found the game interesting, however, the app and the story that is embedded in the app are beyond worthless. I have played this game twice and I found myself thinking that the game itself was decent but the story and the non narrated portions of the app took so much away (mostly time) from the game itself. If I do play this game a 3rd time, I have contemplated merely skipping the story portions in the app as I found that it added no value. Hopefully I find more enjoyment in proceeding that way. _Shrug_
Wow thank you for the honest review! I was just 1-click away from ordering this 1.
I might need to reconsider carefully.
Definitely take a spin on someone else's copy first, if you can. Or download the free app and read through some of the intro text for the various modules to get a feel for the writing (tone AND length).
I bought My Father's Work a week or two ago, before I watched this video. I just got my notification that it is on its way. I hope that I disagree with you. LOL! I will let you know.
For sure! Best case scenario, of course, is that you adore the game! (And many players do!)
I appreciate this review. I'm confused however. Some reviewers I trust like this game and I trust you, but you don't. I re-watched their reviews and you all seem to agree that it's too long. The difference seems to be you greatly dislike the app and the writing in it while they're more forgiving of it. And at least one didn't pay for it so they're not just purchase rationalizing. I have to think that as a former app developer yourself and obviously someone who likes to be a bit of a showman that you have a higher bar for that kind of stuff. I'm glad you made this video because it tells me to trust my initial instincts of the game (I distrust kickstarter games, especially those that have a lot of cool components). I don't want to read a book while I'm playing a game and I certainly don't want to be dealing a lot with an app. It's unfortunate, however, because I thought there might be some good stories to play along to in here. So what board games IYO do have the best stories?
For sure - the writing is a real dividing line with this one. My best recommendation is to pause this video in the section where i show the four, dense pages of intro text - or better yet, download the app (it's free!) and pretend that you're sitting there at the game table with your friends, about to start one of the scenarios. Pick one, and then read the intro aloud at the same pace and with the same intonation you'd use on game night. Heck - you can even make one or two small choices as if you were actually playing, to get a sense of whether you side with the people who like the writing, or with those critics who felt it was too long-winded and stuffy.
As for games that tell a good story...? Hmm. i haven't met many, but i like sandbox games like Xia: Legends of a Drift System and Merchants & Marauders (which has been completely supplanted for me by the far-better Sea of Legends). Those are games that can tell great *emergent* stories - or games that let you, the player, tell a story by goofing off within their systems.
As for games that *dictate* a discrete, singular story to you, i haven't really found one i'm thrilled with. i'm still in the middle of the Scythe campaign, so jury's out on that. And as part of Pfister Pfest, we'll be looking at the stories Alexander Pfister tells in games like Maracaibo and the Oh My Goods! expansions, so stay tuned for that. i recently acquired Detective and am excited to report back. The Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective games do quite a good job, so they top my list. One memorable game i've played that dictated a story to me was Tales of the Arabian Nights. The jigsaw puzzle-assembled story was fun and funny (especially when my wife Cheryl kept losing all her money and getting attacked by harpies), but it's very light on actual game mechanics.
@@NightsAroundaTable That was an excellent suggestion! Thank you. So I did just that. I downloaded the app and selected the Fear of the Unknown story. I read the intro and, while I didn't hate it, it just didn't have a flow and I didn't even feel like it set the scene. They were just words. Then a voice actor began talking and I thought he did a great job! I listen to audiobooks some times and some voice actors just aren't that good, but I thought he really was and I started to enjoy what I was reading along to. Then there was more text, but no voice actor and it went back to just reading words. I made a number of selections, read more and more, but I still didn't feel like there was a story. I got the choice to kill 1 of 2 people and I thought, "oh, this is kind of interesting", but I wondered, where did this come from? Was I not paying attention all this time to what I was reading? Maybe not, I guess.
Then shortly after I got a Setup screen, I selected Accept, but nothing happened. I pressed it again, again, and again, all over the screen, not just the button, but nothing happened. If I had bought the game and the app locked up on me during gameplay I'd be furious. Glad I dodged that! Thank you.
And you were right about it throwing words at you that you likely won't know. I like to think my vocabulary is pretty decent, but even I had to look up a couple words (brasserie and slake). I like taking notes of words I'm not familiar with when I'm reading a book and looking them up later, but who wants to do that while playing a game? And you're right, I can just imagine playing this game with someone who doesn't have a good vocabulary and feeling bad for them. I watched a playthrough of another game on another channel the other day and the guy was struggling with the words and I felt terrible for him. In person it would be even worse.
Thanks again.
I loved it (see my other comment) but absolutly agree its too long. But at no point in the long game was i not engaged and excited about it.
Kinda funny I jumped from your Find the Fun about Concordia where you hammered it for the opposite of the reasons you hammer this one. See Concordia is a fantastic game that is brilliant fun because the GAME is fun. Pretty does not equal fun. The game play is where the fun lives. Unlike your prior statement that the fun somehow resides in what you said was the "attract factor."
Well, My Father's Work is all about 'attract factor' that got you to drop $165 CAD on it. How's that fun?
i’m a bad man, okay?? i wanT BOTH! i’m weak! i’m so-ho-ho WEAK!!
My "bad game radar" for board games on kickstarter that look exciting but turn out to under deliver is so far proving pretty decent. Like a lot of people I started backing games during the pandemic so I don't have a huge history of backing, but this one certainly didn't seem worth all the hype that it got on KS. Other examples of games my bad game radar detected were Vivid Memories and merchants of the dark road...
Yeah... i too had ooky premonitions about Merchants of the Dark Road, despite adoring Andrew Bosley's artwork in Everdell, so i stayed away.
While you have a point, there's a huge problem with that line of thinking: If something is expensive and I don't like it then everyone who does like it is deluding themselves. You leave little room for differing tastes. I didn't back Marvel United but a lot of people seem to like it. I don't automatically assume they're all deluding themselves because they spent a lot. Give people the benefit of the doubt rather than thinking you know better than everyone. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh, no - you might mistake me here. If you bought it and you like it, no issue. i’m just questioning the people who listed a bunch of misgivings they had, and then rated it a 10 regardless. i saw a lot of that on Facebook especially. i’m trying to account for why people would be so enthusiastic about something even they admit is wildly flawed, and Sunk Cost Fallacy is just one way to account for that.
@@NightsAroundaTable OHH let me try that one, on BGG at least the scoring is how likely you are to play again. So i can absolutely give something a 10 that i want to get out and on the table because it just entertains me (even if its flawed) over a flawless game that just doesnt excite me. My score may change over time, but if its a 10 now, im not likly to say no if someone suggest it
@@cgarvie151 That may be how BGG currently defines its ranking system, but it's obviously busted, because under those parameters, a one-and-done game (like a single-play escape room in a box) can never rank a 10.
@@NightsAroundaTable Oh there Definitely several problems with BGG. But you could expand the definition to. I really want to play something like this now its done, Or man i wish there was more than this as im loving it, my point was only to demonstrate how despite flaws, someone could legitimately score it a 10. Theyre just using a different way of scoring that you do. But specifically BBG suggested scheme is about wanting to play , Not about how technically correct a game is.
So what I'm hearing is play Splender instead. Good to know.
Edit: I have to add, that I had a hard time reading Mary Shelley's Frankenstein in high school. Maybe because it's such a part of pop culture but I was mostly irritated with the overly descriptive narration. I found it boring and the sudden articulation and complex philosophy of the monster after a single winter of listening to children being taught the Bible was hard to believe. Maybe if there were a few more scenes of the monster remembering things from his past life such as people, events, schooling. I still love the themes and philosophical questions that Frankenstein brings about and the great building blocks it gave to modern horror, but I can't stand the book..... didn't finish it, still got 100% on my paper.
Every story like this has a scene where the monster becomes “human” after a laughably minimal amount of effort. In 80’s movies, the creature (like Gizmo the mogwai or Johnny Five the robot or the Navigator of the spaceship) usually spends an afternoon watching MTV and can suddenly speak fluent jive and hit people with sassy comebacks. Chappie was the most egregious example i’ve seen. The robot watches half an episode of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, i think, and emerges spouting the wisdom of ages and witty rejoinders.
@@NightsAroundaTable I remember most of those movies and know what you mean. I always felt it was more acceptable in those 80s films because there was always an underlying cheesyness to the overall atmosphere. My problem with Frankenstein was it seemed to be written more seriously or maybe as a classic I expected more from it. You can do deep themes with comedy but that wasn't the tone there. Either way I find the mark it left on popculture much more important than the book itself. And by the way thank you for this review. I had just seen My Father's Work a week ago and was looking into it. As much fun as it sounds I'll probably pass. I actually haven't played Splender yet but I keep hearing about it so I probably will check it out instead.
@@ketami2 Oh, definitely check out Splendor! i have a HTP for the new Splendor Duel that i've linked below. And let's not be too hard on poor Mary... she was 19. i wasn't finishing novels at 19 :)
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@@NightsAroundaTable That's understandable. I was still writing trash at 19 too. Maybe the problem for me personally is that I've seen so many performances of Frankenstein from the original Frankenstein to young Frankenstein. Have you ever seen Netflix's show penny dreadful? That was really interesting. And it went really dark with the Gothic horror. I've also seen plays of Frankenstein and those can be extremely powerful and moving. It probably is a case of the impact being greater than the original work. Either way great theme and I'm gonna head over to check out your splendor video.
You are born an entertainer! Or a born again entertainer!
Porque no los dos?
Very well reasoned review. I'm usually into medium-heavy or heavy euros with little randomness (length doesn't scare me though), and this was not it. It's medium, at MOST medium-heavy but mostly due to the randomness, and we skipped reading lots of stuff to keep it from taking a whole day. And not reading the "story" didn't affect the game at all. Giving it a 7, bordering on 6; and not sure I want to play it again anytime soon. I'm not bothered by the cost if I don't play it again, since... it's not my copy. :D
My big issue is the story. Loaded with the ten cent words that are to add theme and ambiance but just drags on. I've played one partial game before the app (web based) but was so glitchy we didn't make it to the end. Felt like it would be an okay thematic game. Got the app and played through and it just fell flat. Hated reading the story that just dragged out what could have been a 90 minute game to 3 hours. That time is the reason it sits on my shelf now waiting for another try. 3 hours is a lit of valuable time for gaming, maybe I should admit the mistake now and try to get as much money back as I can.
NOT BEFORE i DO! Don't go sinking the value before i get a chance to offload my copy this weekend. :)
@@NightsAroundaTable I won't get it up before the weekend. I work tonight and a wedding tomorrow. I think this video alone might be helping tank the value.
@@johncarson2514 You give me too much credit. :) Renegade Games just put out another campaign update, in which they encouraged people to rate the game on BGG. i'm not here to tank that score. Just telling everyone what i thought of the game (and the business decisions behind it).
@@NightsAroundaTable I know you aren't likely to sway the people who already bought it and have justify syndrom but maybe some people who haven't played will find a way before dropping over $200 CAD on the game.
@@johncarson2514 My advice? Play a friend's copy!
i have never backed a kickstarter and never will. I'll let others take the risk. If its truely any good it will come to retail. I tend to stick to modern classics that have stood the test of time. The more trumped up components to a game are, almost without fail, the worse the game is. Great games stand on their own with simple components. Look at Hansa Teutonica. Its components are literally just some wooden cubes and its my favorite game.
That’s one i’m due to make a video for!
No, no, really.....stop beating around the bush....tell us what you REALLY think of this game!!! LOL!!
I backed this one on a bit of a whim. I am not generally a fan of narrative driven games...but I liked some of the described mechanics and it looked cool. Upon receiving the game I loved the components and overall aesthetics but I have not been compelled to play it yet....I sort of wish I hadn't watched this review now....lol!
It sounds like a very similar experience I had with Merchants of the Dark Road. Stunning components, game mechanics that I enjoy....etc... I played it with one of my game groups, 2 of us had backed the game, no one thought it was a good game. Amazing components will not overcome a poorly designed game.
I'll probably give MFW a whirl at some point.....maybe the 2nd revision of the app will help. I am glad you addressed the BGG 8.1 score....I couldn't figure out how there was such a large divide between your impressions and the score that the game has garnered up until this point. I find it hard to believe that that many people would score the game that highly just because they paid a lot of money for it.
Once a game starts getting over 500+ reviews it hard to lay that all on the shoulders of people who just wanted to like it because they paid a lot of money for it. There are games that some people love, that I absolutely detest. Anyways, thanks for the review, based on your complaints I am pretty sure I will reach the same conclusion but will still give it a try at some point.
Thanks, True North! i’m currently at a little local board game con, and one of the people here brought his copy and was telling me how much he enjoyed the game. i played Last Will and Ark Nova with him, and he’s an excellent player, so there’s nothing wrong with his brain :P. My hope isn’t that people will hate the games they buy. Fingers crossed you’ll get some enjoyment from My Father’s Work!
@@NightsAroundaTable Did you try and get a sense on what he liked about it ? What did he say about your criticisms. Curious to hear this persons perspective vs Yours! Cheers
@@truenorth2615 He DID enjoy the story. i told him a lot of it felt like the old design bug "guess what the designer is thinking." He did admit that in the Fear of the Unknown, the game wanted players to build either Thing A or Thing B, but at the end of the game the "right" answer that provided more benefit was to build both, and i said that was emblematic of my issue with the app. You just couldn't predict with any reliability what it was going to do to you, so any decision you made - inside the app or out - felt random and pointless.
A good contrast for me is Tales of the Arabian Nights, where the storytelling is the entire point, and the game is barely there. It's less that you're playing it, and more that it is constructing a unique and fun storyline for your character, which happens on top of extremely inconsequential, almost nonexistent game mechanics. i think the reason i can forgive Arabian Nights for the same sins My Father's Work commits is that MFW tries to do both: tell a randomized story AND be a "proper" game, and those two goals are constantly in conflict.
Finally someone plain out says it. Im so happy i dont do kickstarters. There are so many good games that are out at stores. People are idiots. Kinda harsh. But true. It blows my mind how much money is spent on kickstarters
Guilty as charged!
*cough* confirmation bias *cough*
@@thecuriousboardgamer ? I don’t follow. I don’t back anything on Kickstarter and am dumbfounded by the amount of people who do.
High five fellow anti-kickstarter! I completely agree with you, I haven’t ever crowdfunded and probably won’t. I’d rather get a retail version of a game I actually know if I’m going to love rather than gambling on it. Getting it sooner or getting it fancier or just getting garbage just doesn’t make sense to me as a consumer.
I thought the same thing about Foundations of Rome. The game looked super simple and like they tried to overshadow a mediocre game with giant plastic buildings. For no reason. And people ate it up. And now those people have a $200 suitcase-sized game that probably isnt that great of a game. But people like fancy plastic
i mean, don’t get me wrong: i like fancy plastic so much that i own a few 3D printers. But i use them to make better bits for already-excellent games :)
Way too sensitive over the story content. Canadian I’m
Guessing.
Guilteh as charged!
Huh, I actually really like this game, but I guess I'm just a delusional KS backer that has confused the amount of money I paid for a game with my actual enjoyment (according to this guy). You should really go into mainstream journalism with the amount of effort you put into bolstering your own narrative on hating something. Or maybe put that effort into something more creative and not try to convince other people to not like something just because you didn't gel with it.
Pop culture reviewers aren’t trying to make everyone dislike something as much as they did. This isn’t an attempt at mind control. i’m not trying to whip a mob into an angry pitchfork frenzy. This is not your daily Two Minutes Hate. Where is your willpower, man? Resist!
i played a game. Did i like it, overall - yes or no? Explain my answers. That’s really all that’s happening here.
He's just explaining why he didn't like it and offered an explanation for why people might rate it a 10 despite seeing some flaws. You sound like a delusional KS backer.
Thanks for the review. Normally I just stop there, but I really don't appreciate the bad faith argument used here for money-grubbing crowdfunding bullshit. You're entitled to your opinion on the game itself and there are others that share it. But I find that rant being applied here to be objectively ugly and in poor taste.
i have worked tirelessly on this channel for five years now, full time hours, creating videos that you can watch for free on RUclips for the time cost of watching a couple of advertisements, from which i cumulatively earn a few hundred dollars a month - or you can watch completely for free if you use an ad blocker. Patreon is an additional revenue stream for me, which accounts for another two hundred dollars a month. To do that math for you, that’s about five hundred dollars a month for my full-time efforts. That’s my gross income. Yet you see it as “objectively in poor taste” for me to remind viewers like you, who are watching my stuff for free, that there’s an option enabling you to pay me literal pennies to help me provide for my wife and two children. We don’t see eye to eye on that. i know the value of my work, and it’s higher than what i’m presently earning. If you derived any value from watching this or any of my videos, i hope i can count on your contribution towards my efforts. This particular video took about two days of work and required thousands of dollars in equipment (not to mention $23 for a lab coat and $6 for a novelty Darth Vader balloon!), in case that helps you in your determination. If not, i am happy to suggest an amount that i believe is reasonable.
The guy rags on a game you bought. Don’t take it personal. It’s not bad taste to talk about his bad experiences with the game. That isn’t opinion. The game fell flat and he paid a lot of money for it and he’s came to a realization that maybe these crowd funding games aren’t all they are hyped up to be. I don’t see anything ugly here or in bad taste.
@@shortydancer *a game you designed
TC Petty III is the designer of the game, and I'm pretty sure they're not saying people aren't allowed to dislike the game; only that it's in poor taste to claim that the game they likely poured years of time and energy into was a cash grab just because it got a fancy production on a crowdfunding platform.
"But I find that rant being applied here to be objectively ugly and in poor taste."
Ah yes, of course your opinions are objective. What does that word mean again? Oh right, who cares, it just sounds authoritative
TC - Amazingly, i’ve misinterpreted your reference to “money-grubbing crowdfunding bullshit” as a criticism of my flashing the Patreon call to action in my video. On re-reading, i realize you’re the game’s designer. i appreciate that many decisions that go into a project like this are made by different people, and i don’t intend for all of my criticisms to be levelled squarely at you. But i do stand by my comments about your use of too-random randomness, and efforts to emulate antiquated writing to what i believe is the detriment of your game. As for the production bloat (and bloat it is!), maybe that was all up to your publisher? Either way, i wasn’t a fan of it either. Also, i never called anything “bullshit” - that was your word, which you used in your instruction manual, which i thought demonstrated a lack of taste.
Was thinking of geting this any of you guys play it recently did they fix the app. is the game play better worse .. about the same ?
No idea. i don’t go anywhere near this game.
@@NightsAroundaTable lol