ive seen before a single blue minion stuck under bot tower that caused a missed kill cuz they auto attacked it instead of a champ. best part was it was invisible because of where it was stuck lmao
This is almost as impressive as that Ornn support Q'ing 1 specific minion 3 times to seperate it from the wave so it dies before the enemy bot gets the xp if they leash
This is is the kind of thing i would agree is worth fixing because it breaks the game so hard. However recently riot is just " fixing " everything that isn't standard in the book per say and that kinda ruin the charm of the game of coming up with new things
I mean getting it stuck should CLEARLY be fixed. But riot should definitely not completely stop us from doing shit like this to delay and manipulate waves
I think this is the biggest reason why pro teams don't get creative. What is the point in trying to find something like a laneswap or funnel, if Riot will just hate nerf it as soon as it turns out to be a good strategy. Just a waste of time if anything out of the ordinary gets remove from the game, because some people cry about new strategies.
@@peterfischer2039 This has 100% gotta be true. Riot gets rid of anything uncanny so that people don't replicate it and make it standard. Turret plate resist differences so no top/bot lane swaps pre 15. Mid lane minion gold lower early. No roaming top. No gold funneling. 1st minion wave can't be manipulated by champions or entities to stop intricate wave management at beginning. So for pros, why try anything new if either A (Riot will probably nerf it and all the practice is wasted) or B (Riot doesn't nerf it but the strategy is weak and unreliable, so the practice is wasted)
@@peterfischer2039 Funnel is just a straigth up degenerete strat that should never be in the game. Never should the optimal way to play the game be sacking someones intire lane just so someone else can get stronger .
I will not forgive riot for removing Sona double passive 'bug'. Was so much fun to use. Tldr is you could get a second passive auto if you used an ability right after you cast the first passive auto. Clearly a bug, but also allowed for a lot more creativity in what passives you wanted to use and in what order you wanted to have them up
Reminds me of how broken the Anivia wall trick is, where she walls off the minions between her turret and the the rock wall and places herself at the small slit between the turret and the other wall to slow down the wave for a few seconds, making the wave enemy minion wave end up just outside her turret.
Season 1 Heimerdinger turrets could block at Nexus towers. Idk if the video is still up but it's hilarious, just 25 minutes of built up mid waves flooding the map.
Ever since I saw a vid of LoL players and dota players playing each other’s games, and seeing how Dota players manipulate their minions I’ve been waiting for someone to find a way to manipulate waves like this, glad to see it’s finally happened! 👍👍👍
in next pre season riot will release an update where you press button on keyboard to freeze the cannon minion at tower so players of all skill levels can use this trick :)
I've been sitting in practice tool for 20 minutes trying to get it to work. I'm close, but it won't lock in place. I think the minions get buggy from the fast forward button. Sometimes waves are already misaligned before they interact with anything.
@@michaelkhiev2070 lmao bro it's still called bug abusing. I can't see the diff between this and kayn/poppy bug, can you tell me why making a minion stuck completely in your tower isn't a bug abusing?
in mid i used to move the fist minion by bodyblocking it and i would have the wave a bit below the middle of the lane and that small change to the wave saved me many times
This is a mechanic in Dota2 i think, and I have been doing in it league sometimes. I haven't however succeeded in it as well. I wonder who found this out.
I wish they would just make 0 collision with minions lol. Creep block is annoying in lane and the creep blocking tricks wouldn’t happen anymore I use it all the time too but wouldn’t mind it being out of the game lol
I have heard that it wouldnt be allowed in Proplay because of the many ways you can manipulate waves with that. For example slowing down 1 minion lvl 1 instantly ensures you get a lowpush into you lvl 1.
If only C9 stuck with LS. Together with his drafting, Max Waldo's player management and Veigar's ingenuity they would have a chance to get out of group A
Well, Dota is now in Lol. Tbh this is just a bug and it will probably be patched, leage's creeps are fixed in their place, they should jump in their place when their model is stuck. The fact that this cannon does not catch up where he should be is probably an error, Legaue has no creep blocking mechanic, at least not intentionaly. Until the patch, good luck with this, it is a nice little plus that could separate good from great players. Tbh I would enjoy this if it stayed in the game
I don't understand why they can't just ghost allied minions until they start attacking or get damaged, its such a simple and effective way to fix a lot of the bugs and issues with waves
Dota mechanics that league removed use of when they made the spaghetti code. If they just made this minion block mechanic actually usable the game would be more interesting to macro than just cave man fighting
Hahhaa! I was talking with a friend before (at that time I'm into DoTA 2 ,I am new in playing LoL) if there is a creep block mechanic, same with DoTA 2, he said "no, bro!"... After all these years, he is wrong the whole time. Hehehhehehehe!
LS complaining about VeigarV2s talking speed while LS repeats a word 4-5 times every half minute ( he says "i never seen smth like that" 6+ times at the end)
dzukill is just built different
Swedes are built different*
@UWUUXDXDD Dosent matter, he's swedish. Swedish citizen + lives in Sweden = Swedish
@UWUUXDXDD that IS sweden now!
Ints most games, truly built different.
@uwuuxdxdd1928How do you know
Holy shit, Ive seen wave manipulation in a similar sense of moving minions but to just stop the cannon is crazy
I always try to block cannon while mid/top just to piss the opponent
We all here playing league while Dzukill unlocked dota
Hahaha
W
ti has been amazing so far
brb, let me block some jugnle camps with wards
is this why sometimes a creep randomly gets stuck near the tower?
yessir
not really thats a seperate bug ,also sion has a bug when his E makes an enemy minion stuck with the turret and can't kill it
ive seen before a single blue minion stuck under bot tower that caused a missed kill cuz they auto attacked it instead of a champ. best part was it was invisible because of where it was stuck lmao
This is almost as impressive as that Ornn support Q'ing 1 specific minion 3 times to seperate it from the wave so it dies before the enemy bot gets the xp if they leash
It is more impressive, you can do that on any terrain ability like Anivia. You can do this with any champ
is there a video of that ornn strat? Never seen that
@@Kaneyren it's featured in happychimenoises' ornn support video
Leashing a minion on the first wave is not that hard with any champ
Dzukill is insane, I think a lot of ppl focus on his Yone/Yas mechanics (which fair, they're his flagship champs) but his macro is also wild
Dzukill laning phase is really top tier tbh
He does a lot of little things that change the way the lane goes
we're playing League while Dzukill here is discovering time travel
Dzukill casualy using his dark magic and opponent who count waves is confused for next 3 games straight.
Dzukill is a girl btw
@@GoldenFlash0 nope
@@Codan3 ?
@@GoldenFlash0 dzukill isn't a girl...?
@@GoldenFlash0 he already did a voice reveal
As a top main, this is literally a dream come true for me, enemy tempo be damned
dzukill showing that dota tech
This is is the kind of thing i would agree is worth fixing because it breaks the game so hard.
However recently riot is just " fixing " everything that isn't standard in the book per say and that kinda ruin the charm of the game of coming up with new things
I mean getting it stuck should CLEARLY be fixed.
But riot should definitely not completely stop us from doing shit like this to delay and manipulate waves
I think this is the biggest reason why pro teams don't get creative.
What is the point in trying to find something like a laneswap or funnel, if Riot will just hate nerf it as soon as it turns out to be a good strategy.
Just a waste of time if anything out of the ordinary gets remove from the game, because some people cry about new strategies.
@@peterfischer2039 This has 100% gotta be true.
Riot gets rid of anything uncanny so that people don't replicate it and make it standard.
Turret plate resist differences so no top/bot lane swaps pre 15.
Mid lane minion gold lower early.
No roaming top.
No gold funneling.
1st minion wave can't be manipulated by champions or entities to stop intricate wave management at beginning.
So for pros, why try anything new if either A (Riot will probably nerf it and all the practice is wasted) or B (Riot doesn't nerf it but the strategy is weak and unreliable, so the practice is wasted)
@@peterfischer2039 Funnel is just a straigth up degenerete strat that should never be in the game. Never should the optimal way to play the game be sacking someones intire lane just so someone else can get stronger .
I will not forgive riot for removing Sona double passive 'bug'. Was so much fun to use. Tldr is you could get a second passive auto if you used an ability right after you cast the first passive auto. Clearly a bug, but also allowed for a lot more creativity in what passives you wanted to use and in what order you wanted to have them up
I prefer Veigar talking speed. Allows me more time to process what he's saying.
You can also just speed up the vid, if it's too slow for you.
yes i agree, i like his talking speed. you also have to consider that english is not his first language
Me who watches everything on 2x...
Yea, it's also better for actually teaching people.
Great way to get called stupid by saying your processing speed is slow.
Reminds me of how broken the Anivia wall trick is, where she walls off the minions between her turret and the the rock wall and places herself at the small slit between the turret and the other wall to slow down the wave for a few seconds, making the wave enemy minion wave end up just outside her turret.
This is actually gamebreaking
but imagine stacking cannons under tower like that and then creating a fucking army of those and omega push
Season 1 Heimerdinger turrets could block at Nexus towers. Idk if the video is still up but it's hilarious, just 25 minutes of built up mid waves flooding the map.
Ever since I saw a vid of LoL players and dota players playing each other’s games, and seeing how Dota players manipulate their minions I’ve been waiting for someone to find a way to manipulate waves like this, glad to see it’s finally happened! 👍👍👍
i remember several times seeing creeps just stuck in those towers and never understood how in the f they got there
in next pre season riot will release an update where you press button on keyboard to freeze the cannon minion at tower so players of all skill levels can use this trick :)
sadge
Just wait till he finds out about the anivia tech for blocking the minion wave behind tower by using wall then standing in the right spot
Yeah but this can be done on most champions without a wall
I've been sitting in practice tool for 20 minutes trying to get it to work. I'm close, but it won't lock in place. I think the minions get buggy from the fast forward button. Sometimes waves are already misaligned before they interact with anything.
I keep wishing for a minion overhaul in the preseason
This happens to me a lot when i E enemy minions with Sion,they get stuck on the enemy tower,never seen it with your own minions.
I've had this happen to me unintentionally before, insane it can be replicated
This is called innovation
This is called bug abusing.
@@user-sz9vt4sd7y lmao u def only play normals or ur hard stuck gold
@@michaelkhiev2070 lmao bro it's still called bug abusing. I can't see the diff between this and kayn/poppy bug, can you tell me why making a minion stuck completely in your tower isn't a bug abusing?
in mid i used to move the fist minion by bodyblocking it and i would have the wave a bit below the middle of the lane and that small change to the wave saved me many times
Wheel ? Yeah.. cause of water. Horse fly like house. HUH ? haha its yes, window
Seemingly, seamless.
ive seen it happen on accident impressive that dzukill found a way to do it manually
"Oh he's going to do some kind of minion blocking to get it to arrive slowe...AND IT FUCKING STOPPED?!?!?!?!
Another reason all champs should ignore minions (unit collision), change my mind.
instantly going practice tool btw to practice this for otp trynd top will change so many lanes for the better
ive always wondered when blocking minions would play a part in wave manipulation.
This is that one moment in anime where every side character says nani to what the mc did...i tried this before never worked this guys nuts
What's the thing used to draw over the video ? If anyone knows let me know
AdrianRiven was preaching about this years ago xd
He has been doing this for two years and no one but his fans knew?
I’ve tried to do the same, but by just creep blocking every creep so they take a little longer to go to lane. Trapping a canon like that is sick tho.
This is a mechanic in Dota2 i think, and I have been doing in it league sometimes. I haven't however succeeded in it as well. I wonder who found this out.
Everyone playing 2d chess while dzukill is playing 4d chess
So we gunna see fudge do that in worlds right
Veigar v2 is too smart.. gg !
Yeah but he still should be canceled for ddosing league servers.
i feel this is based on same sweet spot and spagetti code as akshan helicopter thingy dr. ututt been doing recently
I've had 2 recent games where I trapped a caster minion in an inhibitor by mistake. Is it the same tactic/bug as this?
That shirt looks really comfortable
This fucking blows my mind
Is there a reason why you can even interact with your own minions in the first place?
Dude's haircut lawl
I need to see the enemy react to the wave not having cannon
this completely changes the laning face imo, especially for a solo lane
Enemy reaction 💀
can you do this midlane?
praying for the day they remove creep block
i derailed a few with Naught like 4 years ago, its really hard to do this bot side, the hitbox is too hard on Red side for sure
i wish creep blocking was more of a thing in this game
dzukill, my guy, thats some witchcraft bruh
dzukill out here playing dota lmao
very impressive indeed
That's actually op.
Huh i've always done this but without blocking the cannon holy fuck
dzukill things
How did he disocver this? Is this recent bug?
I wish they would just make 0 collision with minions lol. Creep block is annoying in lane and the creep blocking tricks wouldn’t happen anymore I use it all the time too but wouldn’t mind it being out of the game lol
So now i can take revenge on the minions that keep blocking me?
I sometimes unfreeze the wave with anivia w when I play her support
You can do the same with Crab with Syndra W.
I have heard that it wouldnt be allowed in Proplay because of the many ways you can manipulate waves with that. For example slowing down 1 minion lvl 1 instantly ensures you get a lowpush into you lvl 1.
Next thing it will be meta
So you have to copy ut
dude is whistling like a dixie
Didn't Adrian Riven do this a few years ago before riot fixed it? :D
Omfg that's insane
so where does the fucking cannon go? is it stucked under tower?
We dota now.
If only C9 stuck with LS. Together with his drafting, Max Waldo's player management and Veigar's ingenuity they would have a chance to get out of group A
Max as head coach, LS as strategic coach, and Veigar as positional coach would definitely make use of their respective talents yeah.
Holy cope
didn't they already won LCS without LS? What more do you want?
@@CoffeeMonster01 what every NA fan dreams of, worlds
You don't even know how much you don't know if you really think what you have typed
Well, Dota is now in Lol. Tbh this is just a bug and it will probably be patched, leage's creeps are fixed in their place, they should jump in their place when their model is stuck. The fact that this cannon does not catch up where he should be is probably an error, Legaue has no creep blocking mechanic, at least not intentionaly. Until the patch, good luck with this, it is a nice little plus that could separate good from great players. Tbh I would enjoy this if it stayed in the game
can't wait for minion block to be removed
That's.... Holy shit
Thats insane but it's a bug 100% and will get fixed if it's even replicable
I don't understand why they can't just ghost allied minions until they start attacking or get damaged, its such a simple and effective way to fix a lot of the bugs and issues with waves
yes yes me trying to stop minions while I braindead walk back to lane was a strat all along. Now watch me die to the same gank for the 3rd time
League finally going the minion block meta like dota
Next patch gonna be like
Everyone: *starts abusing this*
Fizz mains: „… f***“
*Fizz winrate drops to 43%*
Surely this is just a bug right
Fudge finna do this and emote lol
POV: I've done this for years, and still hard stuck plat💀
It's like anivia wall
Dota mechanics that league removed use of when they made the spaghetti code. If they just made this minion block mechanic actually usable the game would be more interesting to macro than just cave man fighting
Have used body blocking for a long time in LoL... But wtf... Man said "Tech"
I would literally be so confused if I was irelia
we dota now
Dzukill got exposed by Veigar. Oh no
will riot finally remove minion collision????? god i fucking HOPE SO
I did this recently aswell on accident. This is maybe a recent issue, idk
Its not that VeigarV2 talks slow its just Ls that confuses speed for quality.
insane
Hahhaa! I was talking with a friend before (at that time I'm into DoTA 2 ,I am new in playing LoL) if there is a creep block mechanic, same with DoTA 2, he said "no, bro!"... After all these years, he is wrong the whole time. Hehehhehehehe!
Its just dzukill things
Isn't this a dota normal mechanic?
LS complaining about VeigarV2s talking speed while LS repeats a word 4-5 times every half minute ( he says "i never seen smth like that" 6+ times at the end)
we dota2 now bois
Dota 2 minion blocks
just harder to do in League