Totally agree, the leading lady in R&B in terms of writing, album, vocals AND live performances is Summer Walker. This lady is incredibly talented and I'm actually surprised she doesn't have a Grammy yet🩵
@@Galorrrreeeee She makes numbers, both albums did so I don’t know if that’s entirely true! But she isn’t that out there, I doubt she wants to either 😂
And live performances? She just fixed that shit last year. Summer only a leading lady because of her popularity put her vocals ain’t even all there. If Victoria Monét or Kehlani were more popular they’d be more deserving of the leading lady title because they really do it all
Beyoncé is NOT overrated-ppl may not like her music but she is one of the very best performers and vocalists of all time, 15:18 Kehlani is one of the best performers, singers and songwriters and one of my favorites of all time. blue water road should've been nominated for album of year and gotten more awards. I still have SweetSexySavage on repeat, i ❤ all her albums but her last four projects are my favorite. Chloe is an amazing artist and i feel like her album is one of the best if the 2020s so far and I'm glad the album came out when it did
Yes, beyonce deserves all the praise she gets and maybe is a bit underrated in some ways (ppl saying her voice isn’t that great & that her songs aren’t that hard to sing). Also, kehlani is sooo underrated, im so glad you’re hip🤞🏽 because people really are sleep. I also did enjoy chloe’s album, i filmed this prior to it releasing. Definitely go check out my album review of that!!
@@CamrynSuzannegirl, I do not think Kehlani is underrated though. She was featured in a huge blockbuster film such as you remember the movie the Suicide Squad it came out in 2016. She was featured in collaborations with Nicki Minaj, and I forgot that one song. But she is not that underrated, she is pretty mainstream and popular still when it comes to celebrity status.
@@UobeorJealousy? Just because i don’t kiss her ass and don’t praise her y’all think i’m jealous. I don’t need to sell my soul, disrespect Christianity, steal from other people and get cheated on. My life is WAY better than hers.
It’s like she said about Tinashe… Sza and Megan are both bigger than her. Victoria Monet and and Muni Long are bigger than her, in my opinion. Lizzo as well. Normani as well Is that not true? 😂😅 Tori Kelly has also been here for a while and is not on the status of Megan, and other aforementioned artists
I feel like you made a lot of valid points, and you were fair, which I appreciate. I like being able to engage in this discourse without bashing another woman. I honestly wouldn't have minded if the video was longer!
Much love to Beyonce as a Top-tier performer, but Michael Jackson was a one-of-a-kind enigma. He has the same, if not better, performing ability with writing accolades as well. He produced new artists himself and addressed world issues in his lyrics. I'd say in that respect, Beyonce still has a ways to go. Definitely right about that one.
While I don’t think Beyonce has the same impact as MJ (no one does), she’s very very very close (almost the same). I mean, she’s studied as a course/program/module in universities around the world. That alone speaks volumes. But given what you said about MJ, she has also produced new artistes and addressed world issues in her lyrics (unless you don’t know anything about her discography).
I think what people mean when they say we need to be honest about artists like Ice Spice is that even though they are good artists (they make music that moves you), they are bad craftsmen (they have questionable technical ability). And that's okay. You don't have to be a good craftsmen to be a good artist. But that also means that just because you're a good artist, you aren't automatically a good craftsmen. I just wish we could have these conversations without bad actors and trolls popping up. I will always defend girls like Ice Spice who make the music that they do because any argument against them is purely misogyny. At the same time, we can't have an honest conversation about the quality of said music, because bad actors and trolls always pop up and ruin it.
What does misogyny have to do with this? Yall use that word to the point when actually misogyny happens yall dont say anything misogyny is hate against woman Nobody is "hating" on ice spice for being a woman most people aren't even hating thier just giving criticism
Automatically saying any argument against her or her music is misogyny is wild asf. Ice herself isn’t even talented but subjectively you might fw her, objectively not a good artist. Like that’s just what it is lmao
Watching this the day after Normani's album announcement is so funny to me because of the last opinion. She popped out, let's see how this goes. I believe in her and I really hope she wants this as much as everyone wants it for her.
I was with you until Jhené. Lol. She literally shifted into meditation music, sound bowls, mantras, and lullabies for sleep. It may not be the versatility people look for, but she’s in a lane no one else in her cohort can touch.
I may be wrong, but I think the reason that Kehlani may not be pushed as much on award shows or (idk how to say this lol) represented as well is because of the inherent transphobia and homophobia in the industry because they are non-binary and and lesbian. I could totally be wrong because I've only gotten into their music as of lately, but yeah... as a non-binary person I honestly feel super underrepresented in the music industry and wish queer artists like me were pushed more and got more recognition.
@@JoyEmpress I think its just the label that feels most comfortable using. There isn't a widely used word for nonbinary people who are exclusively attracted to women so maybe that's why the decided to use that. The other option is basically gynesexual/gynosexual (which honestly sounds kind of questionable) that applies to all people who are attracted to exclusively women, all though I think if you told someone that you were gynosexual they'd probably get very confused so some people may use it to make it easier. I've also heard of a lot of people just calling themselves gay or queer as an umbrella term. I'm berriromantic, asexual, and nonbinary so I don't know a lot about this topic but as someone who identifies as a very very unknown sexual orientation, I tend to tell people I'm pansexual. If you want to know more about berrisexual/berriromantic and why I call myself pansexual sometimes I'd love to tell you more I just don't want to make this comment too long lol :).
I disagree with Jhené Aiko. No one ever really listened to her Trip album, or sailing souls. Chilombo isn’t really that popular either, but she definitely dabbled into different types of styles, and her writing speaks for her talent.
@@monicaline yeah compared to beyonce, a lot of performers are giving nothing…what do you think about ppl saying chris brown is the closest to MJ? I don’t agree with it but he’s like the only other person that comes up in that conversation
@@CamrynSuzanne I don’t agree with that statement at all in my opinion yes he can dance but he doesn’t come close, even before Michael died he said Beyoncé is and probably the only one that will come close, I feel like Chris is good but he’s not up there I feel like kehlani is even a better performer than him
Mariah the Scientist is definitely worth revisiting. Her first performances were on pretty large stages and did not have much stage experience with the tech. Any clips from her opening on Rod Wave's tour will show that's she's gotten much more comfortable on stage and some nights sound better than the studio.
Mariah has done a lot since this video was made, she’s released another album (to be eaten alive), has quite a large hit with Tee Grizzley & Chris Brown, it is a song that probably has mixed reception but I overall like it. She also an excellent feature on the closing track of 21 Savage’s newest album, both their voices actually came from their heart I have to be honest.
Beyonce has so much talent that she is rated where shes supposed to be she is not overrated we just haven't seen enough people in the music industry that can back up their rating like Beyonce shes a amazingly talented hardworking woman and people find that hard to accept because of said reason above and because they want to be different. always remember you can hate someone but you can't take away their talent.
I also fully agree that one should not state that Beyonce is overrated even though they don’t like her music. She’s a great performer and vocalist from a technical point of view. Nevertheless, even though she has a huge community of fans outside the US, her impact in the rest of the world is not as big as in the English-speaking world. Here in Europe, my friends have not heard any new songs from her since Drunk In Love, we've all missed Lemonade, The Lion King and Renaissance except for her fans. Personally, I see her as a huge performer committed to her work with great vocals, but I have to admit that her artistic talents when it comes to writing/crafting music are quite limited. I also believe that many people see her merely as an entertainer worshiped by Americans, but with no big artistic identity, just like a robot.
she doesnt have much impact on the music industry in the US either tbh. her mass amounts of fans who worship the ground she walks on force everyone to hear at least one of her singles but her music rarely sticks especially these days. beyonce also always follows trends, i dont see her as a revolutionary of pop or something
@@MineralTownlies…. Beyoncé is literally number one on billboard with a country song and number 1 in many countries all over the world with a country song. She did not promote her music over the last decade and her album releases were tidal exclusive. As you can see with her current number 1, if she wanted to be commercially popular….. she easily could. Lol!
her not being popular in europe anymore is all lies. cuff it was literally the biggest song in a majority of the countries on the continent in 2022. her being irrelevant in non-speaking countries except for her fans is not true. although I can agree with the writing aspect. 12 writers on one song? ✋ uh uh
SSS by kehlani was such a product of it's time lol it definitely has the late 2010's sound to it. I also think kehlani's best album was it was good until it wasn't
honestly I love sos the way majority of the fans love ctrl! (and from what i've seen most of the fans that love ctrl reallly didn't like sos) but anyways lol- the lauryn hill comment is interesting because after lauryn hill dropped miseducation iirc everyone wanted her to drop another album- but she kind of fell into the sophomore slump and didn't end up releasing any more music. (issues stemming around the people she worked on the music with didn't want to work with her anymore. FD Signifier has a really good video about Lauryn!) Lauryn's sophomore 'album' (if you would call it that) is just an MTV unplugged live album of unfinished music that the public didn't really gravitate towards. Fans were beggging Sza for a new album and when she dropped sos I remember many people didn't like it (Which breaks my heart because ghost in the machine? masterpiece!) i think ctrl will always be THE album for sza because she came out swinging on that one. that whole era was so prominent for her.
When ctrl first came out, I didn't pay attention to it until my friends introduced me to it in 2916. Then I gave it a listen and liked it. Broken clocks, doves in the wind, prom and her interludes (wavy, go Gina) were my favorites. Actually that whole album is cool. Now, SOS???? Listeeeeeeen, that album took over my life! Lol. That album came out when I was going through a friendship breakup (I had deep feelings for this person) and this album was my therapy session. Ctrl is cool but SOS has my heart more Sorry for the rant lol
I can’t put Beyoncé on MJ’s level because as popular as Beyoncé is I still dont think she has universal appeal to every single demographic like Michael does. Beyoncé is more for the girls and the gays. Not saying they’re aren’t outliers/exceptions but you a Beyoncé song on in a room full of random people I’m sure there’ll be some who don’t like her. Micheal on the other hand I cannot see ANYONE not wanting to get up and dance & sing along
Believe it or not, I know people who HATE MJ. But they’re not the norm. I think if Beyonce was a guy, she’d have very similar reaction to MJ. About the gays. Most female Divas are for the gays as gay men tend to iconise a female singer/vocalist as long as she’s incredibly beautiful, has a great voice, great music videos, and or is a fashionista. So it’s not a Beyonce thing.
Unpopular opinion~ people only say Beyoncé is overrated for two things.. 1) she’s a black woman 2) people suck as fans… people always name people who should be bigger but never take the steps to put that artist on top
My opinion Cardi B did not revive female rap. Cuz before she came into the industry we had Iggy, Azealia, Young MA who were popping up at the same time alongside Nicki Minaj. The narrative that Nicki was the only top girl in the game was false. Iggy literally had the top 2 billboard hits in 2014 and was so commercially successful from 2012-2016. The only difference between Nicki and the rest of the Female rappers is consistency. And compared to when Nicki came into the industry when female rap was dead, Cardi popped up when there was Remy Ma, Iggy, Azealia, etc
What you said is not wrong, but we have never had this many female rappers charting , making hits, and sharing the spotlight. I’m not saying cardi was a savior😂 just saying after her, you cannot deny how many female artists started to pop out on the scene. Many rap girls credit cardi saying “if she did it, i knew I could” and I think her appearance in the industry gave some girls the extra push to try to get in the game. Nicki is a GOAT. Really no one compares hence the other women charting during her reign had hits, but it wasn’t like they were on the same exact level. I think now you see more women on the same playing field talent wise, looks, sound etc. some would say that’s a bad thing but it undeniable
Mariah the Scientist CAN sing. She just was scared. Listen to her album “To Be Eaten Alive” and even the tour. She evolved but y’all just don’t like her and can’t recognize.
Beyonce is most certainly overrated even considering she is the best entertainer alive today IMO. Any artist who reaches a level of fame where people literally worship and idolize them as if they were a literal deity/God is overrated. And saying she is more talented than Michael Jackson is questionable. She has the better voice for sure, but I think Michael edges her out in performance and completely destroys her in artistry/songwriting. Beyonce can sAng and perform, but her artistic talent in terms of writing/crafting remains to be seen considering she has stolen writing credits, plagiarized other artists (from visuals to music to production), and has yet to write an album/good amount of songs solo (a lot of times it's her and a dozen or other writers). Writers have even spoken against her and her father for trying to strongarm their way into the credits of songs she had no hand in writing. So, is she immensely talented, successful, and arguably the greatest performer alive today? Yep. Is she on Michael's level? Not at the present, not even close. No one is.
@@eternalbliss330Because I don't worship the ground she walks on and take note of her faults? Hardly. Unless you have a compelling argument to the contrary, move along.
@@JustMeBiethbut you worship a man like mj lol😂accept it she’s better performer and vocalist than him, she more versatile performer than him and have better live vocal and better stages and better at everything. Yall just misogynist can’t get over the fact that a woman being better at something than a male
What would you say about Whitney houston? She didn't write any of her songs and it's still one of the biggest artist of all time. I really don't think you can compare any of these artist to each other, because they are all great, and in the literal sense of the word, iconic and legendary. As she said the video, everyone can have a personal opinion about something, but it's better to not compare, and then just enjoy with the artist deliver.
@@Menehune3461 I would say she is the greatest female vocalist to ever live, because that's what she was. A vocalist. And the best. I wouldn't say she was the greatest entertainer to ever live or the greatest writer to ever live. I didn't start the comparison, the comparison was made in the video. I merely gave my commentary, which I am sure upset some very overzealous stans. lol
Even if you like to just enjoy music for what it is (subjective), there are still plenty of ways to objectively talk about and critique music because objectively, a lot of these artists aren’t GOOD. They aren’t talented. Subjectively though, people like Ice and Sexy are good to some and bad to others but never objectively could they be seen as talented rappers/artists
this is not even unpopular, this title should be renamed to unpopular popular opinion sis. Beyoncé highly benefitted from colorism, featurism, and texturism. And other racism factors of fitting the desirable characteristics of being a palatable Black woman and Black musician..
Yes, Beyoncé benefited from all of that but she also put the work in and there isn’t single person she’s worked that doesn’t say she’s a hard and passionate worker.
If SZA wasnt successful a lot of people would have said its because she sounds white (surburban). You cant compare a lit if RnB girlies to SZA because she has from the beginning made RnB music thats appealing to everyone including to the white girls that Listen to Taylor Swift only. Y'all sleep on Ari Lennox a lot and it shows. As for the Normani situation a lit of y'all forget that she has 2 parents that are diagnosed with Cancer, after the release of Fair her Father was diagnosed with it right after her mother was battling it during 2020 & 2021. If your a real Normani fan you'd know as well that she trying to make music that suits her voice in both RnB and in Pop, she had been working on a movie, she had a bad manager who didn't do much good for her & the former CEO of RCA plus her manager were sabotaging some of her collaborations with Chainsmokers & Dua Lipa. Kehlani isn't good with handling industry politics plus shes independent so that doesn't work to her advantage
Yeah sza expands past R&B demographic, I truly realize that once I went to her SOS concert. Literally everyone was there. Also, I learned that a couple months ago about both of Normani’s parents so that absolutely makes sense why she’s absent in some ways and I think more people should have empathy for that As for Kehlani, I agree. I think she’s content where she’s at though and to be honest selfishly I don’t mind her staying where she’s at because kehlani’s such a gem
ia with the normani assessment but it is 100 % her fault. she quite literally said she was that girl and we're going to be shook and eating are words when she drops but like.. that was, 3 years ago? so i dont really blame people for waiting for her superstar pop debut when thats what she told us to expect. if she wants to retire just say that on beyonce, IA that if you say shes not talented singer and performer then you probably are just a hater, she has something that almost no artists have nowadays and she always has. BUT her music is not really up to par considering how people praise her. no one wants to say it but sonically beyonce is a trend hopper, not setter. I cant think of what mark she'd really leave on the music industry as she really doesnt have any iconic songs and her stage presence and charisma cant be copied. comparing her to MJ is honestly wild because shes the exact opposite to me
9:24 I love you but DAMN! Beyoncé is not NEAR damn Michael Jackson. He was one of a kind. He didn’t steal from others, sell his soul, destroy careers, disrespect Christianity, he was original and so much more. She’s not his equivalent AT ALL and NEVER will be.
LIES, LIES, LIES. They didn’t surpass him and the numbers show. MJ was known where tv wasn’t a thing. Nobody comes close to him. Y’all just don’t like him.
So you like ice spice who song are wack and basic and she has no stage presence compared to cardi b who she may have a Ghost Rider or not but she delivers when she does to her and has stage presence. And as far as Beyonce yes she's a good entertainer but for me she's overrated because she's not original she steals from people and doesn't give them credit she's always getting sued because she steals and then she has these people that are hypnotized by her like she's a cult in vocally when she sings she's robotic she doesn't sing with meaning or emotions she's just trying to be perfect I want to hear a singer with a little bit of grit and emotions and I find it very suspicious that nobody's come to even match to rival Beyonce and like I said she's not that great of a singer there are much better people out there that can sing better than her but supposedly she doesn't want anybody else on top but her
@@Galorrrreeeee that's probably because she does witchcraft in her songs. Her singing and lyrics is mid and not much different from other artists of her genre and yet...
@@aaliyaheverett2601 well that’s not why because I do read abt witchcraft and is somewhat interested in it, it’s more like at that time my vibrations were looking for more positive energy. Which a lot of her songs are about failed relationships and I don’t relate
@@Galorrrreeeee I'd advise against doing witchcraft of any kind. Not all spirits are kind and have your best intentions at heart. A lot of amateur witches dabble into witchcraft and find themselves sinking into depression, anxiety and sleep paralysis etc. It's not worth the risk just to gain healthy vibrations.
Totally agree, the leading lady in R&B in terms of writing, album, vocals AND live performances is Summer Walker. This lady is incredibly talented and I'm actually surprised she doesn't have a Grammy yet🩵
I feel like she’s so underrated yet so well known at the same time. Like ugh I’m obsessed w her
@@Galorrrreeeee She makes numbers, both albums did so I don’t know if that’s entirely true! But she isn’t that out there, I doubt she wants to either 😂
@@stanunproblematic2546 “yet so we’ll know at the same time” I said.
But I feel like I hear everyone talk about other r&b artists way more than her.
And live performances? She just fixed that shit last year. Summer only a leading lady because of her popularity put her vocals ain’t even all there.
If Victoria Monét or Kehlani were more popular they’d be more deserving of the leading lady title because they really do it all
michael jackson is untouchable why does everyone want to put another artist above him
buddy prince outlived mike jack..
@@AntiKirby1992 they all dead at the end 🤷🏽♀️
@@AntiKirby1992He just lived longer but MJ was STILL better.
Beyoncé is NOT overrated-ppl may not like her music but she is one of the very best performers and vocalists of all time, 15:18 Kehlani is one of the best performers, singers and songwriters and one of my favorites of all time. blue water road should've been nominated for album of year and gotten more awards. I still have SweetSexySavage on repeat, i ❤ all her albums but her last four projects are my favorite. Chloe is an amazing artist and i feel like her album is one of the best if the 2020s so far and I'm glad the album came out when it did
Yes, beyonce deserves all the praise she gets and maybe is a bit underrated in some ways (ppl saying her voice isn’t that great & that her songs aren’t that hard to sing). Also, kehlani is sooo underrated, im so glad you’re hip🤞🏽 because people really are sleep. I also did enjoy chloe’s album, i filmed this prior to it releasing. Definitely go check out my album review of that!!
nah she IS overrated
@@SideEyeee_ this is jealousy speaking
@@CamrynSuzannegirl, I do not think Kehlani is underrated though. She was featured in a huge blockbuster film such as you remember the movie the Suicide Squad it came out in 2016. She was featured in collaborations with Nicki Minaj, and I forgot that one song. But she is not that underrated, she is pretty mainstream and popular still when it comes to celebrity status.
@@UobeorJealousy? Just because i don’t kiss her ass and don’t praise her y’all think i’m jealous. I don’t need to sell my soul, disrespect Christianity, steal from other people and get cheated on. My life is WAY better than hers.
Sza did not debunk colorism, shes just a unique vibe in her own lane
If anything, she’s an anomaly, not the standard
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It’s like she said about Tinashe…
Sza and Megan are both bigger than her. Victoria Monet and and Muni Long are bigger than her, in my opinion. Lizzo as well. Normani as well
Is that not true? 😂😅
Tori Kelly has also been here for a while and is not on the status of Megan, and other aforementioned artists
I feel like you made a lot of valid points, and you were fair, which I appreciate. I like being able to engage in this discourse without bashing another woman. I honestly wouldn't have minded if the video was longer!
Yes! Never a hater🫶🏽 i feel its fair that people have opinions, its all about how you say them
Maybe i’ll make a part 2??👀👀👀👀
@@CamrynSuzanneyess i was getting into it 😭🌺
Nah, they trippin on the Kehlani take. Baby Blue Water Road was soooo good!
Much love to Beyonce as a Top-tier performer, but Michael Jackson was a one-of-a-kind enigma. He has the same, if not better, performing ability with writing accolades as well. He produced new artists himself and addressed world issues in his lyrics. I'd say in that respect, Beyonce still has a ways to go. Definitely right about that one.
While I don’t think Beyonce has the same impact as MJ (no one does), she’s very very very close (almost the same). I mean, she’s studied as a course/program/module in universities around the world. That alone speaks volumes. But given what you said about MJ, she has also produced new artistes and addressed world issues in her lyrics (unless you don’t know anything about her discography).
I think what people mean when they say we need to be honest about artists like Ice Spice is that even though they are good artists (they make music that moves you), they are bad craftsmen (they have questionable technical ability). And that's okay. You don't have to be a good craftsmen to be a good artist. But that also means that just because you're a good artist, you aren't automatically a good craftsmen. I just wish we could have these conversations without bad actors and trolls popping up. I will always defend girls like Ice Spice who make the music that they do because any argument against them is purely misogyny. At the same time, we can't have an honest conversation about the quality of said music, because bad actors and trolls always pop up and ruin it.
But not EVERY argument about her or another artist is due to misogyny. 😐
What does misogyny have to do with this? Yall use that word to the point when actually misogyny happens yall dont say anything misogyny is hate against woman Nobody is "hating" on ice spice for being a woman most people aren't even hating thier just giving criticism
Also ice spices hangs out nicki Minaj who is literally a pick me so what if ice spice is a pick me/misogynist herself?
@@Arrait what?
Automatically saying any argument against her or her music is misogyny is wild asf. Ice herself isn’t even talented but subjectively you might fw her, objectively not a good artist. Like that’s just what it is lmao
Watching this the day after Normani's album announcement is so funny to me because of the last opinion. She popped out, let's see how this goes. I believe in her and I really hope she wants this as much as everyone wants it for her.
I was with you until Jhené. Lol. She literally shifted into meditation music, sound bowls, mantras, and lullabies for sleep. It may not be the versatility people look for, but she’s in a lane no one else in her cohort can touch.
saweetie was so great in her boojie era like bestfriend what had happened???
I may be wrong, but I think the reason that Kehlani may not be pushed as much on award shows or (idk how to say this lol) represented as well is because of the inherent transphobia and homophobia in the industry because they are non-binary and and lesbian. I could totally be wrong because I've only gotten into their music as of lately, but yeah... as a non-binary person I honestly feel super underrepresented in the music industry and wish queer artists like me were pushed more and got more recognition.
Not trying to be rude just a genuine question: how can a nonbinary person identify as a lesbian?
@@JoyEmpress I think its just the label that feels most comfortable using. There isn't a widely used word for nonbinary people who are exclusively attracted to women so maybe that's why the decided to use that. The other option is basically gynesexual/gynosexual (which honestly sounds kind of questionable) that applies to all people who are attracted to exclusively women, all though I think if you told someone that you were gynosexual they'd probably get very confused so some people may use it to make it easier. I've also heard of a lot of people just calling themselves gay or queer as an umbrella term. I'm berriromantic, asexual, and nonbinary so I don't know a lot about this topic but as someone who identifies as a very very unknown sexual orientation, I tend to tell people I'm pansexual. If you want to know more about berrisexual/berriromantic and why I call myself pansexual sometimes I'd love to tell you more I just don't want to make this comment too long lol :).
@@JoyEmpressprobably identity as a lesbian since they’re still biologically a female
I disagree with Jhené Aiko. No one ever really listened to her Trip album, or sailing souls. Chilombo isn’t really that popular either, but she definitely dabbled into different types of styles, and her writing speaks for her talent.
As always interesting points made here! Just gotta say MJ all day…not taking anything away from Bey!
Definitely but we have to agree she’s the only one that comes close lol cause the new girls be killing me standing in one place in sneakers
It also blows my mind when people say Michael and Beyoncé doesn’t have talent
Yes, i LOVE Mj definitely the greatest of ALL TIME.
@@monicaline yeah compared to beyonce, a lot of performers are giving nothing…what do you think about ppl saying chris brown is the closest to MJ? I don’t agree with it but he’s like the only other person that comes up in that conversation
@@CamrynSuzanne I don’t agree with that statement at all in my opinion yes he can dance but he doesn’t come close, even before Michael died he said Beyoncé is and probably the only one that will come close, I feel like Chris is good but he’s not up there I feel like kehlani is even a better performer than him
Mariah the Scientist is definitely worth revisiting. Her first performances were on pretty large stages and did not have much stage experience with the tech. Any clips from her opening on Rod Wave's tour will show that's she's gotten much more comfortable on stage and some nights sound better than the studio.
Mariah has done a lot since this video was made, she’s released another album (to be eaten alive), has quite a large hit with Tee Grizzley & Chris Brown, it is a song that probably has mixed reception but I overall like it. She also an excellent feature on the closing track of 21 Savage’s newest album, both their voices actually came from their heart I have to be honest.
Camryn keep these videos coming boo! I love these!!
Thank you!!!
Loved the vid, but the Mariah the Scientist part is wild. I havent seen her live but damn. Been loving the vids, watching these like a series🙏
Beyonce has so much talent that she is rated where shes supposed to be she is not overrated we just haven't seen enough people in the music industry that can back up their rating like Beyonce shes a amazingly talented hardworking woman and people find that hard to accept because of said reason above and because they want to be different. always remember you can hate someone but you can't take away their talent.
23:10 FLO MILLI MY GURL! Her music is amazing, you should listen to it
I also fully agree that one should not state that Beyonce is overrated even though they don’t like her music. She’s a great performer and vocalist from a technical point of view. Nevertheless, even though she has a huge community of fans outside the US, her impact in the rest of the world is not as big as in the English-speaking world. Here in Europe, my friends have not heard any new songs from her since Drunk In Love, we've all missed Lemonade, The Lion King and Renaissance except for her fans. Personally, I see her as a huge performer committed to her work with great vocals, but I have to admit that her artistic talents when it comes to writing/crafting music are quite limited. I also believe that many people see her merely as an entertainer worshiped by Americans, but with no big artistic identity, just like a robot.
Interesting to hear how she’s viewed in Europe. Thanks for sharing. It’s always good to see/hear different perspectives.
she doesnt have much impact on the music industry in the US either tbh. her mass amounts of fans who worship the ground she walks on force everyone to hear at least one of her singles but her music rarely sticks especially these days. beyonce also always follows trends, i dont see her as a revolutionary of pop or something
@@MineralTownlies…. Beyoncé is literally number one on billboard with a country song and number 1 in many countries all over the world with a country song. She did not promote her music over the last decade and her album releases were tidal exclusive.
As you can see with her current number 1, if she wanted to be commercially popular….. she easily could. Lol!
her not being popular in europe anymore is all lies. cuff it was literally the biggest song in a majority of the countries on the continent in 2022. her being irrelevant in non-speaking countries except for her fans is not true. although I can agree with the writing aspect. 12 writers on one song? ✋ uh uh
How is she not popular in Europe when she just had a successful tour over there
Wow you look like Jill Marie Jones for Girlfriendsss.
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@@CamrynSuzanne 🔥🥳
I’d like to see more of Normani too. If she’s up for it, I’m here :)
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Thank you!!❤️❤️ you’re always the first tuned in. I appreciate it
U always understand me to well!
SSS by kehlani was such a product of it's time lol it definitely has the late 2010's sound to it. I also think kehlani's best album was it was good until it wasn't
honestly I love sos the way majority of the fans love ctrl! (and from what i've seen most of the fans that love ctrl reallly didn't like sos) but anyways lol- the lauryn hill comment is interesting because after lauryn hill dropped miseducation iirc everyone wanted her to drop another album- but she kind of fell into the sophomore slump and didn't end up releasing any more music. (issues stemming around the people she worked on the music with didn't want to work with her anymore. FD Signifier has a really good video about Lauryn!) Lauryn's sophomore 'album' (if you would call it that) is just an MTV unplugged live album of unfinished music that the public didn't really gravitate towards. Fans were beggging Sza for a new album and when she dropped sos I remember many people didn't like it (Which breaks my heart because ghost in the machine? masterpiece!) i think ctrl will always be THE album for sza because she came out swinging on that one. that whole era was so prominent for her.
When ctrl first came out, I didn't pay attention to it until my friends introduced me to it in 2916. Then I gave it a listen and liked it. Broken clocks, doves in the wind, prom and her interludes (wavy, go Gina) were my favorites. Actually that whole album is cool. Now, SOS???? Listeeeeeeen, that album took over my life! Lol. That album came out when I was going through a friendship breakup (I had deep feelings for this person) and this album was my therapy session. Ctrl is cool but SOS has my heart more
Sorry for the rant lol
I can’t put Beyoncé on MJ’s level because as popular as Beyoncé is I still dont think she has universal appeal to every single demographic like Michael does. Beyoncé is more for the girls and the gays. Not saying they’re aren’t outliers/exceptions but you a Beyoncé song on in a room full of random people I’m sure there’ll be some who don’t like her. Micheal on the other hand I cannot see ANYONE not wanting to get up and dance & sing along
Believe it or not, I know people who HATE MJ. But they’re not the norm. I think if Beyonce was a guy, she’d have very similar reaction to MJ. About the gays. Most female Divas are for the gays as gay men tend to iconise a female singer/vocalist as long as she’s incredibly beautiful, has a great voice, great music videos, and or is a fashionista. So it’s not a Beyonce thing.
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Girl ima subscribe to you because of the fact you said Jhené is so underrated, which may be a little true compared to Beyoncé Knowles. 😭😭💀
I’m sure she gets this but you look just like Toni Childs, Jill Marie Jones.
Unpopular opinion~ people only say Beyoncé is overrated for two things.. 1) she’s a black woman
2) people suck as fans… people always name people who should be bigger but never take the steps to put that artist on top
This exactly!!
No, people say she's is overrated because she gets treated like an actual God. More and more people are being turned off by this.
Thats not true. No one ever said Whitney was overrated and shes a black woman
It’s not because she is black 😂😂(people say the same thing about Taylor swift, sometimes even worse lol)
LIES. She is overrated.
My opinion
Cardi B did not revive female rap. Cuz before she came into the industry we had Iggy, Azealia, Young MA who were popping up at the same time alongside Nicki Minaj. The narrative that Nicki was the only top girl in the game was false. Iggy literally had the top 2 billboard hits in 2014 and was so commercially successful from 2012-2016. The only difference between Nicki and the rest of the Female rappers is consistency. And compared to when Nicki came into the industry when female rap was dead, Cardi popped up when there was Remy Ma, Iggy, Azealia, etc
What you said is not wrong, but we have never had this many female rappers charting , making hits, and sharing the spotlight. I’m not saying cardi was a savior😂 just saying after her, you cannot deny how many female artists started to pop out on the scene. Many rap girls credit cardi saying “if she did it, i knew I could” and I think her appearance in the industry gave some girls the extra push to try to get in the game.
Nicki is a GOAT. Really no one compares hence the other women charting during her reign had hits, but it wasn’t like they were on the same exact level. I think now you see more women on the same playing field talent wise, looks, sound etc. some would say that’s a bad thing but it undeniable
This is so true
Mariah the Scientist CAN sing. She just was scared. Listen to her album “To Be Eaten Alive” and even the tour. She evolved but y’all just don’t like her and can’t recognize.
Cardi b does write her own lyrics, i hope ppl know that
She admitted on multiple lives that she don’t write her own shit
@@niyaakbar1098She does. Pedonika lied on her and y’all believed it ‘til this day. It really shows how dumb y’all are.
No she don't 😂
Beyonce is most certainly overrated even considering she is the best entertainer alive today IMO. Any artist who reaches a level of fame where people literally worship and idolize them as if they were a literal deity/God is overrated. And saying she is more talented than Michael Jackson is questionable. She has the better voice for sure, but I think Michael edges her out in performance and completely destroys her in artistry/songwriting. Beyonce can sAng and perform, but her artistic talent in terms of writing/crafting remains to be seen considering she has stolen writing credits, plagiarized other artists (from visuals to music to production), and has yet to write an album/good amount of songs solo (a lot of times it's her and a dozen or other writers). Writers have even spoken against her and her father for trying to strongarm their way into the credits of songs she had no hand in writing. So, is she immensely talented, successful, and arguably the greatest performer alive today? Yep. Is she on Michael's level? Not at the present, not even close. No one is.
oh ur not very bright
@@eternalbliss330Because I don't worship the ground she walks on and take note of her faults? Hardly. Unless you have a compelling argument to the contrary, move along.
@@JustMeBiethbut you worship a man like mj lol😂accept it she’s better performer and vocalist than him, she more versatile performer than him and have better live vocal and better stages and better at everything. Yall just misogynist can’t get over the fact that a woman being better at something than a male
What would you say about Whitney houston? She didn't write any of her songs and it's still one of the biggest artist of all time. I really don't think you can compare any of these artist to each other, because they are all great, and in the literal sense of the word, iconic and legendary. As she said the video, everyone can have a personal opinion about something, but it's better to not compare, and then just enjoy with the artist deliver.
@@Menehune3461 I would say she is the greatest female vocalist to ever live, because that's what she was. A vocalist. And the best. I wouldn't say she was the greatest entertainer to ever live or the greatest writer to ever live. I didn't start the comparison, the comparison was made in the video. I merely gave my commentary, which I am sure upset some very overzealous stans. lol
Ooooh that girl really doesn’t sound good live. Dang!
😂
Yeah she really doesn’t 😭
Even if you like to just enjoy music for what it is (subjective), there are still plenty of ways to objectively talk about and critique music because objectively, a lot of these artists aren’t GOOD. They aren’t talented. Subjectively though, people like Ice and Sexy are good to some and bad to others but never objectively could they be seen as talented rappers/artists
this is not even unpopular, this title should be renamed to unpopular popular opinion sis.
Beyoncé highly benefitted from colorism, featurism, and texturism. And other racism factors of fitting the desirable characteristics of being a palatable Black woman and Black musician..
Yes, Beyoncé benefited from all of that but she also put the work in and there isn’t single person she’s worked that doesn’t say she’s a hard and passionate worker.
EXACTLY. MJ didn’t have all of that yet he’s still better than her and everybody.
Mariah the Scientist literally just walks back and forth on stage with no enthusiasm or presence.
If SZA wasnt successful a lot of people would have said its because she sounds white (surburban). You cant compare a lit if RnB girlies to SZA because she has from the beginning made RnB music thats appealing to everyone including to the white girls that Listen to Taylor Swift only.
Y'all sleep on Ari Lennox a lot and it shows.
As for the Normani situation a lit of y'all forget that she has 2 parents that are diagnosed with Cancer, after the release of Fair her Father was diagnosed with it right after her mother was battling it during 2020 & 2021. If your a real Normani fan you'd know as well that she trying to make music that suits her voice in both RnB and in Pop, she had been working on a movie, she had a bad manager who didn't do much good for her & the former CEO of RCA plus her manager were sabotaging some of her collaborations with Chainsmokers & Dua Lipa.
Kehlani isn't good with handling industry politics plus shes independent so that doesn't work to her advantage
Yeah sza expands past R&B demographic, I truly realize that once I went to her SOS concert. Literally everyone was there.
Also, I learned that a couple months ago about both of Normani’s parents so that absolutely makes sense why she’s absent in some ways and I think more people should have empathy for that
As for Kehlani, I agree. I think she’s content where she’s at though and to be honest selfishly I don’t mind her staying where she’s at because kehlani’s such a gem
Wow, Normani is going through a lot.
ia with the normani assessment but it is 100 % her fault. she quite literally said she was that girl and we're going to be shook and eating are words when she drops but like.. that was, 3 years ago? so i dont really blame people for waiting for her superstar pop debut when thats what she told us to expect. if she wants to retire just say that
on beyonce, IA that if you say shes not talented singer and performer then you probably are just a hater, she has something that almost no artists have nowadays and she always has. BUT her music is not really up to par considering how people praise her. no one wants to say it but sonically beyonce is a trend hopper, not setter. I cant think of what mark she'd really leave on the music industry as she really doesnt have any iconic songs and her stage presence and charisma cant be copied. comparing her to MJ is honestly wild because shes the exact opposite to me
It is not her fault. Just say you know nothing.
9:24 I love you but DAMN! Beyoncé is not NEAR damn Michael Jackson. He was one of a kind. He didn’t steal from others, sell his soul, destroy careers, disrespect Christianity, he was original and so much more. She’s not his equivalent AT ALL and NEVER will be.
How did Beyonce disrespect Christianity?
Musically Michael has been surpassed by a few artist if we’re being real. Janet, Madonna, Beyoncé, Prince, and Stevie have better discographies.
LIES, LIES, LIES. They didn’t surpass him and the numbers show. MJ was known where tv wasn’t a thing. Nobody comes close to him. Y’all just don’t like him.
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who would you say is the best entertainer alive today?
So you like ice spice who song are wack and basic and she has no stage presence compared to cardi b who she may have a Ghost Rider or not but she delivers when she does to her and has stage presence. And as far as Beyonce yes she's a good entertainer but for me she's overrated because she's not original she steals from people and doesn't give them credit she's always getting sued because she steals and then she has these people that are hypnotized by her like she's a cult in vocally when she sings she's robotic she doesn't sing with meaning or emotions she's just trying to be perfect I want to hear a singer with a little bit of grit and emotions and I find it very suspicious that nobody's come to even match to rival Beyonce and like I said she's not that great of a singer there are much better people out there that can sing better than her but supposedly she doesn't want anybody else on top but her
Beyoncé is overrated though.
Please shut up 😭 you've made over 3 comments on how Beyonce is overrated, we get it, you hate her 😭
Imma give CTRL and SOS a 5th listen. Her music just doesn’t hit me at all. 🫤
It's okay if it doesn't hiit u some of the music my friend recommended to me that they are passionate abt doesn't rlly hit me either
Me too, it just doesn’t sit w me well
@@Galorrrreeeee that's probably because she does witchcraft in her songs. Her singing and lyrics is mid and not much different from other artists of her genre and yet...
@@aaliyaheverett2601 well that’s not why because I do read abt witchcraft and is somewhat interested in it, it’s more like at that time my vibrations were looking for more positive energy. Which a lot of her songs are about failed relationships and I don’t relate
@@Galorrrreeeee I'd advise against doing witchcraft of any kind. Not all spirits are kind and have your best intentions at heart. A lot of amateur witches dabble into witchcraft and find themselves sinking into depression, anxiety and sleep paralysis etc. It's not worth the risk just to gain healthy vibrations.