The AliExpress RTX 3070M
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Today's graphics card was sent in by a viewer, and it's a pretty interesting yet surprisingly capable creation. That said, graphics cards like this won't be for everybody and there's a big reason for that...
The "FrakenDriver" Driver Page:
github.com/arutar/FrankenDriver
0:00 Intro and Unboxing
1:07 Quirks and Drivers
2:07 More Problems?... Or Not!
2:32 The Performance
3:00 Gaming - Red Dead Redemption 2
3:37 Cyberpunk 2077
4:00 Spider-Man
4:27 Starfield
4:54 The Witcher 3 Next-Gen
5:24 Final Thoughts
Thanks for watching :) 
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I know the laptop cards aren’t as powerful, but I never got why they never did official cards like that for people that have small form factor PCs or PCs with small power supplies in general. Would be great for anybody interested in building a small form factor gaming computer, or Any regular Joe that wants to get into PC gaming with a quick upgrade to their standard Walmart computer.
Because scalpers will buy them up and ruin the market like they always do. It's why a 1650 and rx 6400 are still around $100.
There are some manufacturers which do that.
My guess is they/Nvidia just don't want to sell products that make sense, they are more into products that make money. Imagine Nvidia would offer stuff that is good enough for a fair and reasonable pricing, who would buy the expensive ones ? They want regular Joe to sell his car so he can afford what Nvidia wants him to pay big bucks for.
3060m and 3060 can actually have the same performance, because in terms of core number, they are pretty similar. I guess if you give them enough power, they aren’t far behind from their desktop brothers
Agreed, this could have been an amazing low profile card.
Actually you could manually install the official driver w/o relying on third party ones. I myself own a rtx3060m and all you need to do is to extract the official driver, look for the location in which the .inf files is resided and manually install it. The catch is when prompted with a long list of nvidia graphic card models, do not select the rtx gpus, but instead select the specific model "gtx 1660 mobile" and install it. After successfully install, repeat the above mentioned steps but this time select your correct graphic model, the "rtx 3060m", after which you should be able to play any games normally with rtx specific functionalities and even install gfe. To upgrade it, just wipe the driver with ddu in safe mode and repeat the manual installation.
why did you get a 3060m ?
@@Blackfatrat It's around $64 cheaper compared to the desktop version.
Def gonna try this! Thanks for the tips!
@@withcarename I feel like you could've picked up a used GTX 1080 ti and it would've been a similar price and crushed the 3060m but I suppose it definitely depends on the region.
@@vibyyni wouldnt get a gtx 1080 ti by todays standards now. They all are used and pretty old + the 3060, even as the mobile version, has DLSS and CUDA
Cards like that - as in, Aliexpress Mobile to Desktop chips - are very interesting choice
tho for people scared about modded / unofficial drivers... go with mobile RX 6600M or RX 6700M - since AMD mobile modded cards will work with official AMD drivers without any issue :)
Thx I was searching for the comment about 6600M driver support.I am planing to get a 6600 tier card and the ali express 6600M for 150$ has peeked my intrest.The 6600M is like 98% of the power as normal 6600 so it looks as a great buy.
@@pusaduva that would be pretty damned good for 1080p gaming.
@@pusaduva Just be aware of poor quality and testing. My 6600m came up with visual artefacts. Seller agreed to refund my purchase but only after i shipped it back. With my own money. Andin a way i got lucky it was doa. I can imagine if it dies after a couple of month you're out of luck.
PS Also fans ramped up too quick. It was trying to get the temps below 50C for some reason.
@@pusaduvaI've had a 6600m for over a year and I'm happy with it. But, yeah, the fan ramp is very aggressive on them. I have an open-air case and keep my fans at 30%, so no it's not loud, but your mileage will vary depending on your setup.
doesn't the rx6600 consume similar power to the 6600m anyway?
The 3060m makes more sense since it actually has more cuda cores than the desktop version
Ah good point
My roommate has a 12900K being held back by a 3060, I feel so bad for him that my 5800X and 6700XT utterly crush him at gaming.
But less vram. Which is more and more important these days.
I think in a few months though I've finally convinced him to get a 4070 or something. He mainly plays games like COD and stuff, so he doesnt need a monster, but that 8 gb 3060 is just a joke in his system.
@@dalehammers4425 both are on 60 frames max monitor, cheap frames !
I'm glad you enjoyed testing it out mate, and that's great to hear it didn't black screen on you! It would crash maybe after 2 hours, or I would get lucky and it would run for a few days without crashing. But any crashes are unstable enough for me to not want to use it. Really interesting card though and great video, cheers :).
Thanks again! I’ll run it in the system for the rest of the weekend and see if it crashes. So far so good
I get the exact same thing on mine, Kernel error 141. I've used all the driver versions and still the same, other than '531.79'. For some unknown reason that driver version works absolutely fine, and haven't got any Kernel errors using it.
Would you mind sharing how much the card cost you? It´d be interesting to see what the price difference to a non M 3070 would be.
@@kevineis9088 I payed 180 on eBay almost a year ago, but they're about ~220 on AliExpress.
google bruh....@@kevineis9088
The second R in RRR is "reuse", and it's great to see that this hardware gets a second lease on life instead of winding up in a landfill or dissolved in acid to make up part of a new GPU.
it should have been "dissolved" to make up part of a new gpu
@@DeterminedFCwhy tho this is still a good gpu at a nice price
@@Bolt451 ..no and no
@@DeterminedFC how though
@@Bolt451 wdfym why lol
1.its not a "nice " price its More expensive then its worth
2.price performance is expensive.
newer cheap cards are better then a older midtier mobile gpu conversion
with no offical drivers.
3. no OFFICIAL DRIVER SUPPORT spending £300 for something that relies on a random person making it work for new games lol
that makes older desktop gpus that are cheaper better deals
Love your content, always an eyebrow raiser! This was a definite wtf and so very interesting you looked into it. Legend! Hope we start seeing more random stuff like this in the market.
Legend! Thanks so much for reviewing this it was going for £210 on AliExpress last time I checked
Yeah same price still :)
Link plz ?
i saw that exact listing a week ago on aliexpress. i am confident a niche like this can grow: low power laptop gpus on a desktop card? it sound perfect for a low wattage setup!
Yeah hopefully community driver support remains solid
@@RandomGaminginHD can you do a video comparing the performance of the desktop model vs this one and the community drivers vs the supplied drivers?
@@FroggyTWrite true, would love to see how big of a difference it is for higher end of these laptop chips and their desktop brothers, cuz lower end(3060m and 3060) has very similar if not identical performance. And it would be even better if in the future, the two were compared on the newer games and see how big of a difference would official driver and no official driver support make
Truly is an intriguing idea, amazed it hasnt been bigger already. It should be HUGE in countries like India or China.
It's a similar outcome on the idea I wrote before, that I would like to see something like 30W, 60W, 90W and maybe even 120 and 150W limited cards. And whatever they can do in that range and whatever price it's worth of for that performance. It could also open up a new tier of choices and even competition.
This content is absolutely captivating! I'm completely enamored by it!
never clicked so fast in a video. You should do more content about obscure hardware like this, its my favorite type of content, unique and useful
Thanks :) Will do!
Most of his content is obscure stuff that nobody would ever think about, its one of the things I love the most about his channel.
I personally love seeing these desktop converted mobile gpus and their performance with additional pci-e power connector on it.
Notification gang. We love some RGinHD on a weekend.
Welcome back!
You also need to start comparing cards like these to other cards, so we get an idea about relative performance !!
Love how the box says "High temperature" 😂At least they're honest!
I liked how you stuck on "High Temperature" on the box xD
thats really impressive tbh wasnt expecting much
Would be nice to compare side by side with a desktop 3070 to see the performance difference.
Certainly interesting, I would love to see an in-depth video or just a read on how they manage the vBios and such. Personally, I wouldn't buy as a primary Gpu because of the lack of official drivers and how that may affect the overall Nvidia feature set. But still interesting.
I saw one of these mobile chips on a 40 series card in another video…not sure if it was yours or another RUclipsr but these cards are a sweet deal ngl🔥 also efficient on energy
Love the efficiency.
It would be interesting to see these frankenstein Versions tested against both the Laptop and the Desktop versions.
When swapping different laptop gpus into laptops, you have to inf mod the drivers. I did it with my dell precision 7530 when I upgraded the gpu. I wonder if that could be used with these if you don't trust the frankendriver.
1:30 "Far more, simpeler"... that jars. Great video though!
I'd get one depending on the price. If it's significantly cheaper I'd give it a shot.
I'd like to see you compare one of these to regular card.
one thing i noticed with these laptop turned desktop cards is that if you use GPU-Z to examine it, the Bus ID Box will have a proper PCI Vendor designation, but the Device ID section will more than likely be 0000-0000 which is why official drivers won't work, these cards have had their firmware(?) or VBIOS(?) modified by whatever company is putting them out
Good thing Radeon mobile gpu is that they work just fine with official drivers such as rx6600m would love to see a 6700m one day
I have the RX 6600M from the same company since october last year, working like a charm. The Radeon "mobile-to-desktop" chinese cards make more sense than nVidia's because they use the stock AMD drivers no problem, so the issue of uncertainty of updates for the hacked drivers is completely avoided.
The only real gripe is that an early year AMD driver removed the ability for tuning the card, especially the fan curve. I had been using MorPowerTool plus a custom fan curve to make the card work more silently, but that update removed my abiity to do so (it also blocks the possibility to adjust fan curve from any external application). Luckily you can resolve that by using the Pro drivers, which do allow for GPU tuning like usual. So far no news from AMD, so I think it was an intended change and it seems to have affected all mobile GPUs, not just these weird chinese cards.
At the moment the deal made a hell lot of sense, I got it for 200 USD (shipping included) while the RX 6600 was like 400 USD in my country. The fun part is that the RX 6600M has the exact same core as the desktop GPU and is at most 3% slower, unlike other mobile versions
The 6650XT is now $250 in almost every country in the world. Makes no sense picking up ali cards
I got the same here recently, was around £120 on the second hand market, very happy with it honestly. The few hiccups in games I've experienced seem to relate more to AMD drivers themselves than the card too, a weird and cool little package in my opinion.
@@VuBeClan Oh you sweet summer child, bless your innocence. You underestimate the power of ludicrous tech import taxes, 60% in my country.
Just rechecked my current local prices, the RX 6600 is at 350 USD and the RX 6650 XT at 450 USD. And many other countries in the region are the same or worse. Now tell me AliExpress doesn't make sense again...
And for context of how I got the card imported without those taxes, we have a law where you can import tax free 3 times a year if it's under 200 USD total.
it will be interesting to see how the reliability of these cards are going forward
Without official drivers not very high likely.
This could have some premise for people who have power limitations. Some pre built systems might have whacky cases or psu form factors, so a card between a 3060ti and 3070 that sits at about 100-110W is not a bad idea.
It'll be roughly on par with the 3060ti since its not using its full 140w TDP
This just made me think how MXM could have been. Lots of mini PCs lately, imagine if they have a standardized mobile GPU slot
Back in the day I bought an ATI 9600 mobile on an AGP card. I put a bigger heatsink on it and the GPU could be overclocked over 50% from stock. Unfortunately I could only get around 20MHZ or so extra on the memory speed, so the performance gains were limited. I still have it. I put it in a dual Xeon Socket 604 Asus board that could also hit an absurd 50%+ overclock using ClockGen and disabling Hyperthreading. It's been a few years since I last used it considering it eats electricity and can't do that much compared to even a quad core Intel Atom, but it was a fun machine 18 years ago.
Will the modified cards be compatible with the kraken g12 cooling bracket? If so, maybe it might result in a bit better performance.
Lovely do some more of these gpus
As long as it works and the price is right, don't mind using that graphics card. Have also seen listings of laptop cpus that have been shipped as desktops too, but never actually used one though.
Interesting card, very similar to a 4060 in terms of power usage, how would it compare in terms of performance given its almost £100 cheaper?
Really cool!!
i got a rx580 from a "toastedbros" video and honestly can't fault it sadly the driver support is stopping real soon maybe this will help me and great to see the community doing there own drivers!
Yeah the community always comes through!
Custom drivers my friend
Would've loved to see a comparison to a normal 3070.
Still, seems like a surprisingly capable card at less than half the power consumption of the desktop version.
It wouldn't be a fair comparison since its not the 3070 desktop chip. That'd be the 3070ti mobile which would be pretty close to the desktop 3070
@@siyzerix That's the exact reason I want the comparison. Why would I wanna see a comparison with two identical cards?
@@Remu- Because the 3070ti mobile can use nearly half the power too and spit out similar performance to the desktop 3070. Since they're the same GPU's.
@@siyzerix Alright, but I was interested in seeing how the mobile and desktop versions of the same model compare. That's all.
@@Remu- Thats the thing. Nvidia fools people on laptops with rtx 3000 and 4000 naming. During pascal, the laptop 1070 and 2070/super were the same between laptop and desktops. Just the TDP's were different. So the laptop 1070 spat out the same FPS as desktop 1070's. 2070/s were 5-6fps behind the desktop 2070/s.
So with rtx 3070 vs desktop 3070, nvidia ripped us off. Then they sell us the real laptop 3070 as the 3070ti mobile. Thus the 3070m would be further behind desktop 3070. Likely around the 15%-20% mark.
Did you try the laptop drivers from NVIDIA? I wonder why it wouldn't install normally, I guess the code had to be messed with the add the display and power ports?
I use the amernimezone drivers and they work fine on my radeon vii. I run mine at 2000mhz overclock and have no issues running games at 2k or 4k high depending on the game. I generally do turn shadows and clouds down to medium though and motion blur is always turned off. Sometimes fog is on medium as well due to how demanding it is in some games. textures and texture filtering are always on ultra due to the cards insane memory bandwidth. I get that the drivers and card your using are a differ case scenario though
Nice video ! Just I was wondering why don't you use dlss since the most of the users will play with it ?
Please include Alan Wake 2 in the benchmarks if possible. Good video as always.
Got an Rx 6600m on a desktop pcb from the same seller/vendor a couple of months ago for 170€ which was a steal at the time. The card arrived and looked completely new to my eyes and the build quality was great, all metal and stuff with with heatpipes. It worked great, never going above 65°C, great performance. After a month or two my PSU exploded for unknown reasons and the card died as well a couple of weeks after I got a new PSU. The seller wouldn't send me a new one, they insisted that I sent them this one for repairs which would literally last months and cost me a lot of money. Had it repaired two times in my country for almost as much money as I had paid for it and after that it died again and I threw it in the trash. Since most reviews were extremely positive, I guess mine was an isolated case and maybe had to do with the first psu.
Weird case. I wonder what exactly failed in it...
Sounds quite likely your psu did damage that couldnt be seen somewhere.
@@SummonerArthur something to do with power, at least if the technician who repaired it is to be believed
@@dalehammers4425 Yes... could be.
These could be AMAZING for Mini (Micro?) ATX builds! Imagine the possibilities with a low-power gpu like this
This is what I was thinking. Go low profile with them and slap into SFF builds and turn it into a gaming beast. Turn a $100 office pc into a gaming rig.
@@dalehammers4425the issue there is that desktops at that price wouldnt have enough cpu power. 6th or 7th gen i7s start bottlenecking somewhere past a gtx 1070 and this is well past that in performance.
@@Vegatablez can get newer ones on the open market. Businesses closing down and just dumping stuff cheap. My buddy just got 24 of em with 9th gen i7s.
The first things I look for in any new GPU I'm buying is thick material and high temperature. This seems perfect.
Id definitely use something like that as an egpu since i don't feel like buying another pc / laptop anymore. Especially now that minisforum doesn't seem to be bringing back the nucxi7.
i saw this listing yesterday, i'm now very tempted
Go with an AMD one if you do, official drivers work.
@@dalehammers4425 if i'm getting this right, if i get for example a 6600m i should be able to run official drivers?
This card is amazing given that the price is correct ;) with carefull undervolt i've managed 12000+ gpu score in Timespy and a bit higher than 2800 in the latest Steel Nomad benchmark. One important note though.. Measuring a bunch of these cards in mining seems that the real consumption (when says 115w..) is 155-160w ;), they way under report the watt they consume, still safe with the 1x 8pin
I'm curious how it works with the linux drivers. Does the official ones work or is magic required for linux as well?
Is there any overclocking potential with this card? Given that it only consumes about a 100W, some gains might be had if it can be pushed to the 120-150W TDP that other similar desktop cards run at.
I can't believe the box says "High temperature" 🤣🤣
The amd franken cards can use official drivers supposedly.
The 6600m for around 120-140usd are a great deal
2:46 what is that Frankenstein mess of cables lol
“High temp” is a highlight feature lmao
"High temperature" advertised on the box brings back memories of Nvidia Fermi GPUs and all the memes associated with it. Hot hot, the way it's meant to be cooked!
very surprising performance!
I bought a Rx 6700m desktop variant a while back worked fine even has official driver support still using in my kids PC
Hmm I wonder if these are still on sale, would be interested in one.
I wonder if it uses the full x16 PCIe
wonder if you could flash the bios to a 3070 / 3070ti or 3070m
Interesting. Idk if I would but the options are nice. 6600M also looks interesting 🤔.
Is it just me or is this card doing incredibly well for only around 100W of power consumption? I remember reading that the desktop 3070 is rated for up to 240W. Doesn't seem like this 3070m is held back much despite the low power figure, does it beat the 4060 in raw performance?
It'll edge out the 4060. Since this is the 100w 3070m, it'll likely match the 4060.
can i use for editing and live streaming using this gpu?
0:39 ah yes, high temperature. definitely a feature i want on my gpu
0:41 I almost choke on my own food the moment I heard high temperatures 😂😂
Any spec details vs the stock 3070, is it cut down cores etc?
Would love to get a 3070ti m like that!
I have been using two of these GPUs in two separate PCs for the past year and a bit with zero problems and they are great value. As many have pointed out, this is personal preference and you always run a risk by downloading anything from the internet.
Also, the driver mods are simple .inf edits with a small mod added to give support for easy anti cheat for those who play online games - that’s literally all.
Even though it is a subscription (approximately £1) for new drivers - I lead a busy lifestyle and it’s simply convenient for me 😊 There are also clone AMD cards as well [but they use standard drivers]
so you have been using the jie shuo cards for an year with no issue ?
@@thedude-ty4nm yup - literally had no problems with them at all :-)
@@paulpsomiadis5847 i am sooooo glad for your comment because i am thinking of buying from them the 580 8gb version the other brands havent had best reviews
When you connect a ups backup windows kinda acts like a laptop, I wonder if there's a way to get windows and nVidia your desktop is a laptop
Obviously the next step is for this to be paired with one of those Erying motherboards with laptop CPUs soldered onto the board. For the full desktop with laptop processors experience.
Prices were fluctuating a lot for Ali graphics cards the last few months. I was checking constantly so I could hit buy at its lowest. I was hoping to grab another card recently but after 11.11 everything shot up $20-30.
Do the proprietary Linux drivers have the same limitation?
I want to see them making Low profile desktop gpu's out of rtx 4050 would be so cool a efficient gpu which uses not that much power in a desktop
One of those pieces of hardware that I would probably never buy but I would love to if I had to extra money just to play with it lol I guess thats where this channel comes in handy
Some sort of reference against a desktop 3070 or 3060Ti would have been very helpful!
I can tell you that my ddr4 setup with 3060ti gets better performance in witcher 3 🤔
don't you think using dlss/fsr at 1080p makes the game look low-res ?
Would love to see a Falkenstine card come out in desktop Low Profile GPU, make a great combo with minisforum ITX + Flex PSU for an sff low power build.
This is where my mind went straight to. Buy up a bunch of $50 office pc's rocking some solid i7's and turn em into gaming rigs for cheap.
There is a way where you can actually edit the driver's files where original Nvidia drivers can be installed
could you review a front bay/panel 5.25in speaker from china? im interested on how it sounds
These cards are so interesting
I actually have a crossfire pair of XFX HD4850m cards. Didn't even know they were a thing. However that also explains SOOO MUCH why XFX got themselves such a bad rap sheet with their HD4800 series rebrand cards. They were using mobile parts!!
I would consider the Frankenstein M cards for SFF builds if stock drivers worked. I don't want to risk losing future compatibility and driver support.
Then just go AMD side. I.e. The 6600m works with official drivers
Low profile mobile gpu's could radically change the SFF playing field. Get an old office pc for like 50 bucks, slap a low profile mobile GPU in it for about $150, you have a $200 gaming rig.
@@SummonerArthur Tried to find some but zero relevant results come up when I search for 6600m or rx6600m
EDIT:
Found some. Too bad they're all two fan cards.
I'm curious why laptop drivers wouldn't work. Any ideas anyone?
Hello, can you test the 40hx?
Maybe this could be used for low wattage servers for rendering? But I guess the custom drivers wont let that happen.
It looks so tiny :3 I would certainly loved for amd/nvidia to release their top m cards in the compact case like this one...
Still does the job. RTX 3070 laptop ran all the games I had perfectly fine a few years ago.
i have a radeon RX 6600M been using it for more than a year now and its working like a charn same performance as a regular rx6600 for a fraction of the price (around 150 usd) ! and also the official amd drivers works fine .
Also can you try using mobile 3070 drivers?
Just curious, how come windows(desktop) can’t detect mobile gpu modded cards, when technically it’s just a gpu chips. The main issue being how come you can’t just install new drivers on geforce experience like you are using the chip on a laptop
Hardware encoding, AMD doesnt do this, only Nvidia does.
Hey, it would be nice to see a comparison between this 3070 and a desktop 3070/3060 :D
whats the life expectancy for these aliexpress gpus?
I personally own a 2060 mobile GPU which doesn't require a 3rd party driver (but its installation process is a bit troublesome). However, I notice that the power figures aren't that reliable. When I run it in its undervolted profile, it says it consumed 37W, and with the fan running at 30% rpm it stays at 45-ish degrees Celsius. When I run it in its overclocked profile, it says it is drawing 54W, but with a 100% fan speed it still reached 64 degrees Celsius. Maybe an alternative method of measuring power draw is more accurate than reading just from the msi afterburner overlay
Laptop chip being cooled desktop cooler. What a mix
Has idle temps while gaming and most probably better performance than an actual laptop one which would throttle down in a few mins due to heat
Those weird drivers are a dealbreaker for me... However, I would absolutely consider buying one of these converted mobile GPUs of an AMD card, as they can use official drivers
There are a bunch of AMD cards that way and the official drivers work with them, i myself use a RX 6600m and on load it uses 55w of power and capable of running very well heavier games at 1080p. If this was a niche officially produced i would definitely be a consumer because of the performance they deliver compared to the power they use, also because it is quite easy to maintain the card cool.
The downside of my card is that it needed a repaste to cool the hotspot, and the official up-to-date drivers remove the capability to use msi afterburner and the driver painel to customize fan curves, power consumption, voltages, clocks, etc., so because of that i am forced to use the pro driver 2022q4 to this day in order to have this features available.
In conclusion i am quite happy with my card since it was a very good deal in terms of price and performance, also if you go down this rabbit hole that is aliexpress cards you probably won't come back the same heheheh
It would actually make sense for the official manufacturers to turn some of them into official desktop GPU's instead of making like the **50 series and such.
the mobile radeon cards such as the 6600m seem to have official support so I would look at those instead
That card is a good boy for the budget
In my Student days i definitly would have bought someting like this now i just spend the extra for the normal desktop version. Convinience over saving a little money for me now.