Is Judo a waste of time for BJJ People??
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Bill is solo today talking about his experience with training judo in addition to his BJJ training. The Pros and Cons of cross training in a different sport that is like our BJJ Cousin.
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Just subbed.
Just started BJJ about a year ago at 34 with no prior grappling history. Over the last 3 months or so I have been trying to start most of my rolls from the feet. The sport is brutal but has beauty in all the intricacies.
You're killing it my man!
finalllyyyyyyyyy the solo judo cast
I see this all the time in Bjj. They know what a break fall is, but the wrestler is taking the hit and keep going because we have been trained to take the fall or know when you lost the throw. Wrestlers will step hard sometimes just to bait the person.
Very good info. Coming from a wrestling, BJJ, & Hapkido background then taking some Judo, I’d like to speak to a couple of issues I don’t hear much about. One is that a lot of BJJ gyms don’t do much stand up work because they believe it causes injuries to go up.After competing and observing/ participating in classes. I have a firm opinion that BJJ folks and their lack of knowledge about when they are actually “caught” and move to defense or, i.e. need to tap so to speak, to use the ground fighting equivalent. Along with the devaluation and various rule sets in the area of takedowns in BJJ, is at the root of the injury dilemma. I became acutely aware of the second issue after I started BJJ. That being a tendency to see too many techniques. Especially from top positions. Seeing techniques from other arts that popped into my mind that looked like they’d work on the ground but either just don’t or not quite. I’m only throwing this out there because I had extensive wrestling experience (age 13 to 26) and was finishing up the final phases of my 4th degree test in Hapkido when Life forced me to stop training. I’m only a purple belt in BJJ now and am just starting to get that “melding” of arts thing in place a little. But I believe that it’s gonna be a process that takes quite a while. 😂 Of course my staring BJJ at 59 has nothing to do with it I’m sure 🤣. Really appreciate guys and your work.
Here's my thought. First my background. A very experienced but very average grappler. Wrestled k-12, shodan in judo with the USJA in 1998. Been doing jiu-jitsu since 2002, blackbelt in bjj.
Wrestling works best in wrestling matches, judo works best in judo matches. Both lose a lot when you are not in those environments. Some things transition well into jiu-jitsu but alot doesn't.
The thing I love about jiu-jitsu, as far as a grappling sport goes, is it has the least amount of restrictions, thus allowing the most freedom of techniques to be utilized.
We are slowly seeing a new breed of jiu-jitsu competitors emerge. Those expressing good takedowns that are unique to jiu-jitsu.
Couldn't agree more. 👏
Judo is hella fun. Do it all
I like this. I like you
You delicious little sweat ball
Thank you for wristlocking a yellow belt Bill-san. Have to teach these younglings on the mat if their parents never did it.
Apology accepted.
Judo is the best.
But in BJJ competitions folks will come out in their hunched posture and jump guard fast and then tie the person up in their guard and score advantages with sweep attempts.
Judo is awesome for sure. The unusual posture BJJ people have does make things tough for sure because we learn judo to go against people doing judo, so when someone does unorthodox movements it can really be annoying. Especially if they have a grappling background like wrestling or BJJ. But I find that to be a fun puzzle. Also, if the BJJ guy pulls guard, pass the guard.... You are immediately in the better position by being on top. Judo people need to get better at newaza, at least from my experience.
@@GrapplingWithPodcast throwing people who stiff arm or hunch over is not to difficult if I have enough time.
The problem is how to do it when they can jump guard or fall to their back at any moment.
I competed 8 years in BJJ and it was a problem.
My main problem was that they can blow my knees out by jumping guard suddenly as I am in the middle of setting up a throw. My second concern was that if I just slam them (the best way to avoid knee trauma against someone suddenly jumping on me) I would get a DQ.
Also they can pull guard just by grabbing a sleeve or even diving forward.
Once they have guard they can just tie you up there and win by holding you till the end of the match.
I lost a ton of matches by people just holding me in guard and holding on for dear life till time had ran out and the ref giving them the decision because they initiated the groundgame.
So it's a lot more complicated than just getting better at ne waza.
I would say that some bjj people are a waste of time for judo.
What do you mean? I am struggling to understand.
I don’t think it’s necessary if it takes away your training from BJJ. If you’re getting bored or want to try something new, go for it. But if you want to get good at BJJ, do BJJ.
Whats the difference in your mind between bjj and judo? As in what would you learn at Judo that would not help your BJJ?
The difference isn’t in the techniques or martial art itself but in the rule set that incentivizes a certain way of applying them.
For example, a judo competitor’s uchimata should be explosive, springy and with lots of torque in the pursuit of ippon, whereas in BJJ, uchimata should be slow and methodical so as not to over roll your opponent and give up an advantageous position.
Not to say it’s completely useless, but if you are learning judo to improve your BJJ, I would single out very specific techniques because a lot of it just doesn’t translate well. I actually grew up doing judo and find that I can’t apply >50% of my techniques to good opponents because even if they’re successful I’d end up in a compromised position.
@@SpencerA.-jc4hrWhich judo moves are best for BJJ?
@@lm10_dxz91 I would say simple foot sweeps so as not to turn your back to your opponent. And if you turn your back, moves with the ability to quickly recover.
How old are just out of interest?
41 in a couple months
@GrapplingWithPodcast OK cool, I was doing strength training and bjj at a similar age to you. I was just not recovering, squating 170 3 x per week etc etc. I have cut these heavy weights out, more on the flexibility, some lighter weights and a bit of yoga with bjj and now feel much better. For the judo you did not say which instructional you used during your self study, wanna share?