Smear Campaign Against US Gaza Protests Taken Apart - w/. Nara Milanich
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Student protests over Gaza at Columbia University have become international headline, with young protesters becoming vilified. But what's the truth?
History professor Nara Milanich joins me to explain exactly what is going on.
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you do realize that's not really what happening there. It's a way smaller demonstration than you think. and you thought that students were being abused. Your problem is that your stuck in your own little world and you believe anything that fits your narrative.
@@Fish_And_Chips_DudeYou didn’t waste any time, did you to post your drivel!!!!
@@user-ft5vq1ki9yNo one has asked you to watch this video.
@@Fish_And_Chips_Dude how much coke do you think owen does? It's like he doesn't sleep at all and he does the classic fidget.
@@Fish_And_Chips_DudeWhy do you support war criminals????
First, they called all Palestinians, Hamas! Now, they called all anti genocide students antisemitism!?! Who is the problem here?
Every israeli accusation is a confession, every insult is a reflection, every claim is a lie.
@@terjehansen0101......narcism the devil feeds on it
@michellenorris8471 Yes. I don't think there is a solution if everything is told in the context of A vs. B. When the real fight should be against all evil. Many Israelis don't support Netanyahu, for example.
@@FaycalOuazineYou really live in a …bubble….
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Protest is a right, not a privilege.
It certainly is not a natural right. Society gives you the “right” by collective consensus.
@blackjackpinoko is true, but that still counts. Depending on the country you are in, you may have completely different rights even if some do overlap. Right to protest by far is the most necessary one. By definition, if you protest someone is going to hate you cause they feel strongly about the opposite view point. Yet we shouldn't have the power to take their right to protest like they shouldn't have the right to do it to us (I'm not an american but the point stands either way)
Yes and to respond to it also a right. To think any critizism is "villification" is self-grandiosity and a clear indication this was the goal of the mock "protest". And to think the protest is going to "talk for you" in the same manner as just wearing a T-shirt with print on it shows how much of a poser you are.
@@blackjackpinoko Freedom of speech does not require consensus.
@@blackjackpinokoindeed. Rights are not given. They’re taken
"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.." ~ Nelson Mandela
Well F him, ‘cause he doesn’t know what’s going on here.
But the Hamas is not reasonable and they continually attack for decades even With given freedom .
They had a self governing, autonomous state already. They chose war instead of peace. At any time they could have chosen peace. It was all up to the Palestinians.
I wouldn't quote Mandela in that matter, because he supported the genocidal Cuban regime that is still in charge in that island.
@@OakInch where exactly did this self governing autonomous state exist???
before Oct 7 no mainstream media was talking about the atrocities israel was committing against Palestinian children. if Oct 7 didn't happen, most people on the planet would have no idea about the nightmare Palestinians have to endure since 1948.
@@PeaceForIsrael122 did they kill 35000 every 6 months?
But that's like saying it's great that a nuke went off, that way we know nukes are bad.
This shouldn't have arrived to that point, it's a failure that the world should take responsibility for.
People in Kibbutz didn't have to die and hostages shouldn't have been taken for the world to start thinking "Oh what's going on over there?".
Does a single person that watches Owen's channel know that Gaza was occupied by Egypt, and the West Bank by Jordan, through 1967?
@@samf.s.7731Dumb comparison 😮
Note that before October 7th most people could not spell Gaza, and their knowledge is just as superficial today.
They are gorging on Qatari and CCP funded social media, with nary a clue about what is going on.
If you want the truth, look up Ryan McBeth.
Nara is amazing. She is what an academic is ought to be. I am an alum.
She certainly has integrity.
Wishy washy is a better description.
Demanding the freedom of Palestinians does NOT mean supporting HMS, It means simply the demand to end the brutal occupation and blockade and stop the Genocide.
There was no occupation from 2005 until 2023 and no siege. Gaza has signed contracts with Israeli companies to supply Gaza with water and electricity. Just regular business transactions. Read the worldbank water report on Gaza for details. Gaza failed to pay the bills, though. Bc hamas can not even run a water pipe, let alone a statelet.
Genocide is not a one way street. The only reason why those people invaded the Israelites’ homeland was racist hatred.
Don't worry Since they close the campu, I guess It is really Gaza 2.0 nobody goes in or out.
You have never lived through WAR Remember JAPAN attacked Pearl Harbour And US had to stop the war How did they do that ? Ya The ABOMB and people died. When you brutally continuously attack refusing to live peacefully terrible actions result and unintended things can happen .I suggest you study History.
@@steveosborne1239 🎯👍
Your students are very lucky to have such a professor!!!
I’m glad I got to attend Barnard!
"The Israeli doctors who signed the petition authorizing the bombing of GAZA hospitals must be condemned, but condemning an oppressed nation for resisting is the height of hypocrisy and makes no sense." ~ Miko Peled.
They must go before the ICJ
Condemned, I thought they made the hypocratic oath to become doctors? “thy shall do no harm” struck off imo
A terrorist state, let's get the facts straight.
A backwards, far right, terrorist state.
How about the terrorists using these hospitals as shelter and putting civilians at risk??
@@blackcrusader-uy1jq How about you get a new debunked talking point?
"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was “given” by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty?" ~ Bertrand Russell
Relocate Israel to an island unto itself, so its people can live free from the fear.they feel. Maybe a British island....
Absolutely.
how does one country have power to "give" another country away to religious settlers? did the Hopi have the right to give Plymouth Plantation away to the Pilgrims?
@@egay86292 Which country did they give away?
Exactly. They gotta fix this problem.
Kudos to Prof. Milanich. Respect.
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." (Malcolm X) 💛💜💛
Malcolm X said this many decades ago. See and now in broad day light for all to see.
Mass graves uncovered in Gaza, ( just the latest atrocity) but some people choose to get worked up over students protesting . How warped is their world view that they think the protests are more disturbing ?
the kid card.
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Deflection technique
@@AyshaA-ml2rd Deny, deflect, dissemble - it's always one of the three.
The protests and mass graves are both horrible.
"Israel cannot claim 'self-defence' against a threat that emanates from the territory it occupies - from a territory that is kept under belligerent occupation" ~ Francesca Albanese, UN Specialist
You people are really ignorant. The Israelites have owned that land for 3,500 years. Even the Romans didn’t own it. Those Saudis and Egyptian DNA people who are falsely calling themselves Palestinians need to get out of Israel.
They flooded into Israel in 1948 because of their racist hatred of the Israelites.
Israel can claim self-defense, when being attacked.
@@PeaceForIsrael122 Israel is not being attacked, they are finding out what you get for being evil.
@@PeaceForIsrael122 you stand with evil because you have no moral code you live by.... it's what would be called pyschopathic,, take your nonsense elsewhere .. Israel is no victim
@@PeaceForIsrael122 Just a suggestion - how about leaving the illegally occupied Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem and desist from mowing their lawns so regularly?
Bloody hell Owen. The hardest working channel on RUclips. You're uploading as if your days are numbered
Israel attacks as if its days are numbered
Endurance of Olympic Stature For Humanity 🤍 Please give you a great BIG hug from Me 🌻
Yep. @@sandrajones1609
Now that's the kind of professor I would like teaching this generation. Amazing woman and guest. ❤️
Thank you Nara and Owen
Yes it’s very courageous to speak truth these days
Every israeli accusation is a confession, every insult is a reflection, every claim is a lie.
I suppose that helps to convince yourself when youre stood alongside racist, homophobic people that think raping their wife is OK.
100% truth.
That's interesting. I'm on the right and that's exactly what I think about the woke left . The iron law of woke projection. 😅
“The last paradox is that the tale of Palestine from the beginning until today is a simple story of colonialism and dispossession, yet the world treats it as a multifaceted and complex story-hard to understand and even harder to solve.” ― Noam Chomsky.
Politicians: people this is so complex there is no solution. Please focus on other problems. We take care of it.
If you think you Love Freedom but don't care if it applies to everyone,
then what you actually Love is “ Privilege "
I love that. I don't hear many new statements. But that one is poignant. Who first said that?
@@user-kf3rm3gd5j me :) ty
So you off young people at a music festival and call yourself freedom fighters.
Well said
Owen, this is a great interview, well done! Far better than so many others where guests are attacked if they’re not pro Israel.
All Power to the Students of Columbia, Yale, Barnard College and M I T. Channelling the Ant - War Spirit of the Civil Rights Era and Vietnam, exercising their First Amendment Rights of Freedom of Speech, and getting Gaslighted for doing so. America ignores the will of the People, and continues to arm, fund, and being complicit in the Genocide of Gaza. So much for the Better Angels of Ourselves. Boycott, Divest and Sanction. Free Palestine.
The US is hurdling toward oligarchy. That’s why they focus on the universities and not the atrocities that tax dollars are paying for.
Thruth can not be hidden for ever
Neither can Thtupidity.
@@alyskabb 😂😂
Truth Can Not Keep Secrets. Truth Has A Big Mouth. Truth Is Speaking. . . To Power. Secret Systems Don't Care Much For Truth💫
actually it can
@@residentgrey untill when
In international law, nowhere does one find that the occupying force has the “right” to defend itself. Instead, it is explicitly written that an occupied nation has the right to fight by any means necessary for its freedom.
United Nations Resolution 2621 XXV of December 12, 1970 affirms : “the inherent right of colonial peoples to fight by all necessary means against colonial powers which repress their aspiration for freedom and independence”
I believe it also explicitly lists the right to armed resistance, too.
When the Czheckoslova resistance fighters assassinated Rhinehart Heinrich using a British made bomb, they were held up as heros by the allies. When Hitler had every tenth man and boy shot in the village of Lidice and the entire village raised to rubble, the allies called him a vile murdering so and so. What hypocrisy !
The Palestinians did what the Checkeslova resistance fighters did to their occupation forces, and the IDF are doing in Gaza what Hitler did the the village of Lidice.
Exceptional interview! And thank you Dr. Milanich, for contextualizing the larger case of assault on academic freedom. I also loved the fact that the issue of weaponization of feelings was handled with sensitivity, yet the need for justified or necessary discomfort was highlighted as integral part of university educational experience.
In international law, nowhere does one find that the occupying force has the “right” to defend itself. Instead, it is explicitly written that an occupied nation has the right to fight by any means necessary for its freedom.
United Nations Resolution 2621 XXV of December 12, 1970 affirms : “the inherent right of colonial peoples to fight by all necessary means against colonial powers which repress their aspiration for freedom and independence”.
As it should be.
International law? Hahahaha, are you serious? Who the hell wrote that? As if that actually means anything
problem is they're been offered freedom and independnce (by said occupying force) umpteen times over the years and rejected it flat out every single time. SO "international law" is a complete fallacy
@@Captain_tubs Name 2 times and tell us the terms, or where to find the documentation. Or are you just full of shi* like all the rest of your genocide-loving bunch?
@@Captain_tubs
Not so.
The Palestinian leadership had legitimate reasons to reject proposals that they deemed unfair partitions. And these were not "umpteen" times, whatever that means.
If I started camping in your garden and prevented you from using it by force, you would no doubt object and resist. If I then made an offer whereby I get to keep the borders, the veg patch and the lawns, but you can have the patio and the gravelly bit next to the shed, you might not feel inclined to accept. I then declare, "oh well I offered a shared solution and you rejected it. It's your own fault that I will continue to squat the whole garden!"
How does that make you feel?
Respect to all who stand for Justice.
Thank you professor for speaking the truth, your humanity and conviction makes u a great educator❤
“Israel, after 6 months of war, should have been in another place, but it is captive to the worst leadership in its history, which competes for the worst leadership in history.” ~ Chaim Levinson, Israeli writer
Bibi has been elected over and over for 30 years.
Ham as, after 6 months of war, should have surrendered, and Palestinians would be better off.
@@jasonhoerner9954 Is that really your justification for a more than plausible genocide?
@@jasonhoerner9954
Let me guess your religion 🙄 😒
Its NOT a war its genocide of unarmed civillians
Zip ties found on slain children in Gaza in discovered mass graves, and zip ties on the wrists of the protestors condemning the above genocide.
A wicked thing to silence the anguish of students and to silence their right to express their views in a perfectly legal and peaceful way.
Nara is a very fair minded person.
Columbia has made an example for exactly how you should *not* treat student protestors.
Ofcourse students will feel unsafe- especially those cordoned off with their hands bound
By far one of the most sensible and clear breakdowns of the moral panic that has seized the centre to right segments of the political & media class.
Thank you Dr Nara for speaking truth, we salute you.
Everyone must condemn Israeli war crimes.
which war crimes?
This interview should be on main stream TV,totally coherent in her tone,language and ability to communicate.
And the interviewer knew to shut up and let her talk. Not so common.
This was thoughtful, comprehensive, intelligent. In a word, excellent, Owen
I am a Professor of Sociology in Worcester, Mass, and I agree with everything Prof. Milanovich has said. Thank you for so eloquently all that I have been thinking.
Thank you Owen, Thank you Nara ❤️
Golden takeaway: Your uncomfortable feelings is NOT harm.
her response so was good, going to clip it
I have a feeling Nara wouldn't agree. That would be "radically anti-woke".
@ddk567t did you even watch the video? I'm practically quoting her @19:10 and that is what I'm saying is likely the biggest takeaway from this whole thing.
And the 'woke' thing, she actually addresses in the beginning. So you are micharacterizing her.
@@StalkedByLosers I think the point is that she's probably not very consistent with this belief.
“The actions of the Palestinian Movement in October 7 are neither a terrorist attack nor an anti-Semitic attack, but an act of armed resistance and an uprising after decades of colonization.” ~ Judith Butler, American philosopher
@@PeaceForIsrael122because they’re being armed by an empire
really? and you probably want israel to ceasefire so they can do it again?
Judith Butler the well known and respected feminist thinker - that she would align with those who violently oppress and subjugate women in the most inhumane ways is the height of laughable irony
@@dl1361 Are you referring to hamas being armed by the Persian empire? Or do you like to speak in riddles.
@@PeaceForIsrael122 I know of a Persian empire long ago and that the Israeli’s and Qataris were giving money to Hamas. Hoping to manipulate and exaggerate an uprising
Professor Milanich summarizes the bigger picture of the forces against dialogue, thought, exchange and the role of Universities in a free and healthy society.
I agree with NO NATIONAL GUARD. They have already proven that they choose young, emotional men with no judgement.
4 dead in Ohio!! Please’muricans, don’t ever lecture anyone about the 1st Amendment ever again.
Yes. We don't need a repeat of Kent State.
@@RUclipsCensorshipStinks I'm old enough to remember Kent State. I was 8 but that was old enough to know the enormity of it.
I don't know. I was in the National Guard and me and 5 other guys who were talking said we would disobey orders to stop protests.
Such an excellent and enlightened professor and speaker! Thanks Owen for bringing yet another eloquent and fearless voice to this vital discussion (and life or death situation for the people of Palestine)
It's amazing how many people are drawing parallels with Vietnam protests and people still are not seeing the problem. Palestine protests aren't the problem, it's the societal and governmental issues that it's revealing that are. If you can't peaceful protest against war and arms sales, isn't that all you need to know?
Never ask a man about his Salary, A women her age, and Israel about
its evidence, casualties and Crimes
the countries of origin of the grandfathers of its settlers.
NOR its link with the Israelites dating back 3000 years.
Yeah, everyone should know by now that the actual descendants of the Israelites are the Palestinians, and that the Israelis are pretenders and invaders from Europe and America with no genetic ties to the land.
what's your salary, age, and where's your evidence?
@@SentaiYamaneko The Israelits have been the palestinians for 2000+yrs. They only changed their name back to Israelis in 1948.
Will please put the first part of this to rest? I’m so sick of seeing it. Just make your point without the tired tropes.
@PeaceForIsrael122 The true Israelites are Black, do your research. Thru were scattered to the 4 corners of the earth starting with the Spanish Inquisition 😮😮
Thank you, Owen and Professor Milanich. Respect!
What a pleasure to listen Professor Milanich .
Anyone who say ‘latinx’ is not a serious person.
Simple, if we are talking about protests we are not focusing on murder, mass graves, starvation and other atrocities
What a brilliant, refreshing, impartial and educational analysis by the Professor. She is so eloquent that I imagine her classes must be very motivational. Great.
This is why I am an independent. Being part of a tribe is dangeraous!!
I agree and am yet recalling the proverb. If you want to go fast go alone and if you want to go far go together
Would be nice to have something of a tribe but I’m far left/right 😂
These American students are a beacon of hope for America's future, so brave❤
The children in the mass graves had their hands zip tied behind their backs.
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Probably hamas . That's what they do .
Hi Owen, I absolutely love your incredible posts. Thank you so much for your kindness to humanity.
"ISRAEL ALONE" ~ Short title for an editorial in The Economist magazine, 03/23/2024
“There is still a narrow path out of the hell of Gaza. But at a moment of military might, Israel looks deeply vulnerable,
All the pillars of Israeli security - deterrence, rapid warning and decisive victory - have collapsed in the current war, and whatever the outcome, the clear scenario is that Israel has entered the Gaza quagmire.”
~ Excerpt from the main article of The Economist, 03/23/2024
what it's about is class warfare. and the establishment is furious rich kids are failing to prop up status quo.
This. I love a lot of what she's saying. But she's wrong about this being basically a left wing/right wing issue. It really isn't.
my compliments.
@@jjherrell Are there right wing people supporting these protests, calling for the freedom of Palestine?
@@SeanCrosser There are right wing people against sending money to Israel to prop up its military and who favor a ceasefire.
these a kids of privelege who never encounterd hardship in their life and are lucky to benefit from the protection of the liberal state their are living in
I am fed up with hearing students feel uncomfortable! At least they are NOT being SLAUGHTERED
Excellent podcast! Thank you for all of this information. I support the protesters. Ceasefire Now!
Freedom of speech is one of the prime foundations of America. When we lose that. Were finished! 😣
Thank you both for standing up for that. 👏👍👌
Thank you, Owen. I've listened and read so many different versions of what is happening at Columbia, but for some reason I've decided to accept this version as the true one. From an ex-Columbia student and 1968 protester.
Barnard here! 🙋♀️
Thanks, Owen. What an excellent guest, I loved the way she articulated the broader, nuanced picture of what the university campus should be allowed to do.
Nara is so spot on!!! Her explanations make so much sense. And it's scary to hear what is happening to our country.
commenting for the algo and to express gratitude to Owen, as always!
“Distrust of Netanyahu’s ability to govern runs deep among Israelis, We expect large protests demanding his resignation and the formation of a different, more moderate government.” - US intelligence community IC
"More moderate" is just as racist and bloodthirsty as Netanyahu, but pretends to be a wee bit concerned about violent settlers.
Moderate israelis support a 1 state solution still, and believe Israel should be actively hunting Hamas, just not bombing civilians. These Israelis want Hamas to stop and let Israel take their lands as the primary goal. It's not "moderates" but near extremists who support 2 states and a withdrawal from non settled lands in Israel, and it's the 0.1% extreme who think lands should be given back to Palestine.
Most Israelis support the war and oppression 100% up until bombing and murdering civilians
Wow, I'm soo impressed with Owen Jones more and more each day, Honestly. You keep levelling up and bringing us extended journalistic repertoire. Truly in a league of your own 🎉
Thank you to Prof. Nara Milanich speaking out.
I'm saddened that my country is supporting such brutality in Gaza. The reason our politicians (mostly) are supporting this is money. MONEY talks. Money pays for the weapons of this brutality. That money also pays for political campaigns in our own country.
President Eisenhower tried to warn us of this undemocratic synergy in 1961:
"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. . . .Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. . . . In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
I think that what the authorities are afraid of here is that the students are right to protest about what is happening in Gaza. Everyone with a heart and a soul should be protesting about the atrocities being perpetrated against Palestinians.
"In my heart I am Palestinian."- Diego Maradona
Maradona was just a "sniffer"
He has one thing in common with many Palestinians, as in, he's dead.
@@jcbritobr Even as a kid he was advertising coke.
@@jcbritobr but not a killer babies like NAZIONISTS
Outstanding, insightful conversation. Very important and timely.
Best interview & information I’ve heard about the protests. Thank you Owen & Nara
Appreciate you being so brave and honest , Ma'am.
She’s awesome
Thank you, Nara. If we could just get more of the truth on the TV presentations. These problems could be settled. People ( everywhere) hate lies, bearing false witness, and the continued support if doing things the wrong way, out of Israel !
Great people both journalist and the guest
The Professor really has an in depth handle on what's really going on. I'd sign up for her class in a second.
Love Owen ❤️
Thank you Owen, Free Palestine 🇵🇸 from the land grabbers.
This is the best interview on this issue! Thank you Professor Milanich!!
I would like to know how can an oppressor have the right to defend itself against the oppressed. ?
Are you aware of the Arab population living in Israel ? Or that before Arab Palestinians Arabs started blowing themselves up , they were working in jobs in Israel ?
Oppressed? No Israeli was in Gaza since 2014. How oppressed are they?
Thank you for a badly needed reality check.
finally an intelligent discussion
Brilliant interview! Fantastic guest!!! Thanks.
My message is for Nara. It has been wonderfully refreshing to listen to your explanation of the state of these times. It's great luck that brought me to this video, because it reflects my thoughts on the issues superbly. Thank you very much !
Owen Jones , you are awsome ! A voice of reason and sanity 👏👏👏👏👏
Let's not focus on a handful of people feeling unsafe at university and focus on the thousands discovered in mass graves in the Gaza genocide.
i'd feel unsafe too if i brought the confederate flag to a slave uprising
PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN FEELING UNSAFE FOR OVER 75 YEARS IN THEIR OWN HOMELAND. So a few feelings unsafe is nonsense.
Was probably hamas . Because that's what they do .
@@ceceliacharles4570 well, maybe they shouldn't be terrorists and shouldn't start a war, then no need to feel unsafe. Have this simple thought crossed your mind?
Well said, I want to go to Dr. Milanich's class. She should be the president of the university.
The powers that be always want us divided so as to crush our power. They always use dirty tricks and stir up the religioous bigotry as much as possible along with poverty to ensure division.This is necessary to obtain and maintain their power. Education and awareness of what is actually the truth is essential. Thanks for your Talks Owen.
in Support of student protests
The BBC just referred to it on a News bulletin as 'Sudent UNREST'
I don't think this is an accurate definition.
It is a PEACEFUL, POLITICAL PROTEST by young people.
Fantastic interview. Thank you both.
Thank you for this interview!
Nara was brilliant, great discussion. I totally agreed with her.
The weaponisation of antisemitism has been the norm here in the UK ever since Corbyn became Labour leader & threatened the status quo.
Nara was such a great host and the questionning, answering and discussion generated was reallly excellent. Thank you for bringing this to our screens
Thank you Dr. Milanich
❤❤thanks Owen ❤
"Hamas is close to defeating Israel because the campaign in Gaza is not about who kills more people, but who is closer to achieving their political goals.”
~ Israeli writer Yuval Noah Harari, Source : Walla Hebrew website
Funny that . I thought it was about hostages and ridding the region of terrorism.
Prof. Milanich is spot on: this a part of a broader, ongoing effort to suppress dialogue and uncomfortable truths
I just want to say, young people gives me hope. At least the future looks somewhat brighter than today.
Thank you bro 💯 💙
So great to know there are still honest people who stands strong like professor Milanich, in every race and age. Still hopeful to have a lasting and a better world.
Thank you, Owen, for sharing Nara Milanich with us. A rich exchange of thoughts and ideas ; )
Protesters can still speak. We must speak for the ones who are dead.