A Masterclass On The Mess We're In w/. George Monbiot
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
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Its a shame Owen was duped into one of neoliberals profitable fads - the commercialisation and medicalisation of every day life - He came to believe he had been diagnosed with 'adhd' when diagnosis simply does not exist in the absence of a proximal cause - never mind a glance at the history of this label and the rest of the DSM - all well established work - demonstrates that each iteration of psychiatry has been more harmful than the one before it - this current paradigm of labelling and drugging just about everything that walks as 'disordered or the new rebranded and highly profitable 'neurodiverse' is the most harmful of all.
Thank you Owen and George. Always have time for Mr Monbiot, a man of high moral principles
Great interview, which seems to justify my “shared ranting” with others. Preaching to the choir feels so useless sometimes, but it has inspired me to get involved with broader groups. As an older person with limited means, time and $, it’s hard for me to do much more than make calls or send emails…but I’m sending my words into the void. My government is so unresponsive, even though I live in a “progressive US state. In the US, we have to get rid of political PAC $, because most politicians votes are bought these days, especially when it comes to Israel/Palestine or challenging policies that favor the wealthy. I can’t believe how much the US has declined in the 75 years since I was born.
UK General Election - They are running away from being guilty re Palestine!!!!!!! You did it!!! You did it!!!!!!
Moon bat?
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"A society of altruists governed by psychopaths." Brilliant. Thanks, George.
Yes this exact phrase stuck in my mind as well, we are allowing ourselves to be gaslit into believing we are just as psychopathic as they are.
altruists ? where do you think the psychopaths were born, grow up, learned and mentally shaped ... A product of society and they are but a reflection in a puddle. the People are the same as the politicians, sure not everyone is psychopathic, but the majority are. the brits can see a case of modern colonial oppression and they are okay with it. it stems from their roots. and politicians voice it.
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This is due to corporate influence. See the CDN documentary, The Corporation to learn they're "masks of limited liability" driven by "shareholder tyranny" and you'll see why reasonable seeming politicians act like psychopaths.
psychopaths are altruist in their own minds brah
Please sign petitions and speak out for Julian Assange. It's now desperate . Reporting war crimes is not a crime. Thank you. Free assange.
has Monbiot everysaid anything in support of Julian? In the past, he has been completely dismissive of Assange's plight
@@jj-uy6qs I read a long while ago that a campaigning organisation asked him to write about Assange but he claimed he hadn't enough time and there were too many other things to write about. Of course, potentially losing his well-paid Guardian column (as that newspaper was central to Assange's imprisonment) might have something to do with it.
Seconding that.
Not to my knowledge. The Guardian news paper he worked or works at said nothing for years until shamed into a belated pathetic Attempt. I understand they are making lots of money on the USA@@jj-uy6qs
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Did not get or twig that connection.
Thank you Owen and George. Independent journalists with journalistic integrity are the heroes of our time.
They're inviting us to see more clearly. Thank you, Owen for bringing us George Monbiot.
Politics Joe had him on the other day too. A really great communicator of this serious issue!
Ha ha ha ha metropolitan, middle class, neoliberals.
Try reading Private Eye for facts
@@stephenholmes1036 you think Owen and Monbiot are neoliberals? 😂😂 all those wealth redistributive ideas of the classic neoliberal!
@@stephenholmes1036you've just exposed how politically illiterate you are with that one comment. Jones and Monbiot, neoliberals eh? Because their belief in more equal wealth distribution best espouses their neoliberal tendencies doesn't it? 😂
In future, make sure you understand the definition of the concepts you're spitting out. Otherwise, you end up looking really, really stupid
Israel will never let the world forget about one day of retaliation by the real victims, while never letting you remember the 75 years of brutality against Palestinians by the oppressors
September 2001
Their behaviour has well & truly overshadowed that opportunity~!!
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@@verraguidGerald Shea memorandum!!
In 2018 Israeli soldiers shot over 6,000 Palestinians. In many cases they were shot with illegal expanding ammunition. So, did the present iteration of this problem begin on 7th October 2023 (1,200 casualties) or March/Dec 2018 (6,000 casualties) Discus ??
After travelling the World. I can testify that poor People can share. Rich people never have enough.They just want more. There is enough to Feed but not enough for Greed
Poor people can share? Poor people do share!
Some rich people vmcan share but are far fewer in proportion
CORRECT.
It's like that in general at least. 👍🏻
I admire the work of George and his writing alerted me to Neoliberalism some years ago. I went on to write a free ebook titled The Real Miracle of Neoliberalism. The miracle being getting the poor to vote for the rich to have more. The necessary lies were facilitated by Thatcher's crude conditioning: "There is no such thing as society". I'm looking forward to reading the new book; George researches thoroughly and writes clearly and incisively. George also mentions building consensus. The work of Gary Stevenson (a former financial trader) on inequality eventually leading to an economic crash is a powerful example. There is hope if we keep working towards the tipping point.
Nothing new in speaker's ways of looking ... mr xst stll. Unfortunately, that's not what is happening. In reality, the cap now no longer want mar ket forces, ex co m peti tion, and now they are literally running the g vts. It's called corp or atism.
Despite the brutality of the powerful and fanatical in this world, we must never lose our faith in humanity and justice. Only in this way can human rights be preserved. thank you Mr. Owen and Mr. George. free free palestine ✊✊🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks
Our faith in humanity and justice is teetering on a dangerous precipice. Let’s see if the ICC and ICJ judges will issue warrants against Matanyahu and his thugs, only then will we really know if there’s reason to have any faith in humanity .
Free London. From the Thames to the sea.✌
14:58 exactly "You are constantly urged to internalize this notion of blame, and structural failure, systemic failure these things are simply denied, airbrushed out of the picture".
Just when I'm bummed out and exhausted from fighting the system , Owen gives me hope. Preach to the choir and expand the circle ! Brilliant.
Agree....brilliant!
I think the motive was to make sure all of 'the circle' is on the same page.
Owen is great, but so is George!
I felt a momentary wave of optimism, before my cynical worldview took over. :)
Is this supposed to be a parody? It’s very clever 😂
Neo-Liberalism
It isn't new and it isn't liberal.
Chomsky.
Chomsky correct, as ever.
Duh!
@@Johnconno A discussion based on single sylable sounds... Maybe the cry of birds...
@@Johnconno Waiting for Alex Christophoru... He is late today.
@@oldishandwoke-ish1181 Wrong as usual.
Owen you’re on fire these days, Keeping Israel’s feet to the fire, here and in the Guardian today and now this…and always really well informed, really articulate and across the details…
A shame the guardian is stuffed by turncoat scumbags. I'll never forget their smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.
Just fascinating, I feel like I've been living under a cloud! Thanks for your illumination & honesty. We need more sincerity like yours.
Neo liberalism in NZ has resulted in Kiwi's paying export prices for fish, beef and lamb, which exist in abundance. Accordingly, while the country can earn much money, most people eat fish fingers from Asia, and sausages and mince meat or fast food. We even import beef and pork from Europe and North America. Something about emissions mitigation policies.
Same, UK Lamb used to be cheap, now we pay a ton for your NZ Lamb! Its insanity!
@@queenvagabond8787 You may pay a ton for NZ lamb in the UK, but often, NZ lamb is cheaper in the UK than it is in NZ. True story. Due to the volume; economies of scale. A most peculiar situation of course.
I've noticed that after decades of being given free rein, the neo-liberals in NZ are out of ideas. ACT has only expanded recently because of its focus on culture wars, not because it has anything fresh to offer economically.
@@queenvagabond8787i suggest you try farming sheep
@@stephenholmes1036 My granda did, actually, I'm from the NE of Scotland 😅
This has given me hope for the future. I’m nearly 50, and I desperately want our society to reach the tipping point in public opinion while I’m still around to see it.
Thank you, Owen and George for this interview.❤
George, your approach to making the subject of Neoliberalism more easy to understand is really effective for us, the audience. 😊
George is a national treasure. If only we have policitians who cared about our country and the world like him
The discussion of preaching to the choir felt life changing for me
The two best British journalists at the moment thanks guys ❤
Isn't Owen Irish?
@@darkshadowrule2952 He's from Stockport in Greater Manchester. His surname is as Welsh as his first. If he is maybe via his mother or grandparents? I don't think I've ever heard him say he was.
@@kevintipcorn6787 Owen, Eoghan/Eoin, Ian and Ewan/Ewan are all the same name; the biblical Iohannes or Yôḥānān, in related Celtic languages. Sean/Shawn is a later version of the same, a Gaelicised version of the Norman French Jean. Germanic versions are John, Johann, Jan etc. The pronunciation of the Irish and the Welsh versions is identical, which is probably what confused the above commenter. Owen Jones is, as you say, an Englishman with a Welsh origin surname.
@darkshadowrule2952 No, but we'll claim him if he doesn't object!!
@internationalrtg5602 😂😂😂
I drop everything when George Monbiot speaks. He inspired me to do Participatory Budgeting, he advocates for it brilliantly
Outstanding Owen
You have a knack for finding the most amazing guests. 👏
He's a legend Monbiot. Talks the talk and walks the walk. Straight into the back of a Police van when needs be. Enjoyed that interview immensely
Except when it comes to writing or speaking in support of Julian Assange, as to do so might lose Monbiot his Guardian job.
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx I wasn't aware of that. Hmm
@@WattTyler-ei4rz A while ago, I took advantage of a rare occasion when comments were open on a Monbiot piece in the Guardian. I asked the simple question if he were going to write anything about Julian Assange, given the Guardian's role in his imprisonment (see any account of Assange's sorry ordeal for details). Shortly afterwards, I found that my Guardian commenting privileges had been suspended after a complaint had been made. Now I'm not saying that was cause and effect, but...
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx That's interesting. I suppose no journalist in the west can claim to be genuine if they don't acknowledge Julians unjust imprisonment. Sad world.
"... a society of altruist governed by psycopaths ..." - BRILLIANTLY PUT! 🙂
It's a wonderful book, not finished reading it yet. Thank you George and Peter......and thank you Owen.
You are doing an excellent job and I am happy to see the numbers of those who follow you increase day after day.
Wonderful discussion. George has such a warm smile!
When George hits the point about humans supposedly being greedy and selfish, I refer to these as base instincts over which we have evolved our intelligence to form greater cognitive disciplines such as empathy, cohesion and collaboration.
One of the economic doctrines that is part of the problem is the widely discredited notion of Shareholder Primacy. This is why wages are stagnant and the wealth inequity gap is so obscene.
The fact that neolioberalism goes under so many names is one of the ways that it has managed to hide in plain sight for so long. Shareholder capitalism is another way of decribing it.
Also the lie "we are all shareholders" typified by headlines connecting actions aimed at controlling corporate overreach with hurting pensioners. It's an unending game of obfuscation and outright lying.
I’m retired on a very decent professionally managed investment account and can tell you the record breaking stock market is not reflected in mine or most accounts. I’d guess almost all of it is siphoned off the top by the oligarchs who are the beneficiaries of Neo-liberalism.
Why do we keep saying that Democracy is in danger .when in reality there is not such a thing as Democracy?
Because many of the "Powers That Be" want to preserve the distorted version of Democracy now in place, primarily BIG $ politics and a gate kept elite in control.
There is a great book called Human Kind which busts all the neoliberal ideas of the selfish human. In fact, the unique characteristic that makes humans uniquely sucessful is caring for each other and thus working together. Are you speaking in Dublin Owen? Are there tickets?
Talking of tickets, I wish I had some for Rutger Bregman @ Davos in 2019. As for Owen, he seems to have become an international couch-surfer doesn't he - London, Athens, Dublin .... where will he be broadcasting from next? I just hope it's not because he can't stay too long in one place because of Doxing or Mossad!
I love George, he's an amazing man!
Oh yes definitely a man of metropolitan, middle class , intolerant neoliberalism
What a charming, civilised man George is. I love his work.
This conversation about neoliberalism (which I never heard of) was fascinating. This man made so much sense. His optimism and simplicity of his explanations was a joy as English is not my 1st language. Thank for the education. Owen as always you are keeping our mind and knowledge on their toes.
Too many people have never heard of it - the scam that dares not speak its name. Go out and spread the knowledge!
I’m a Conservative. I heard the term about 5 years ago. I despise it. It’s an evil ideology.
Super interview, Owen. George Monbiot offers some amazing insight I to how society works as a complex system and how we can work within our like-minded community to bring about change.
I will be reading his work - thoroughly enjoyed this conversation, he put so much into perspective for me
One of the best books I've read which explains, in very concise and clear terms, how we got to this point in global society, is 'The Unconscious Civilisation' by John Ralston Saul. Written a few decades ago, but still an excellent, and highly accessible, analysis.
Wow, Owen, you are on fire at the moment!
He certainly is! This is his 3rd superb interview recently. Really on a roll
Brilliant interview
Can anyone explain, if the tipping point is usually around 25% of people, why when far more than that are against the arms trade and wars they still go on?
Corruption trumps logic?
I've just come back from hearing Mr Monbiot talk at Bath Spa festival. What an amazing talk it was.
Thanks Owen and George.
I think on some basic level, with some basic education and explanation in simple clear terms that doesn't take too long, UK people would be receptive to a movement against neoliberalism itself. They just need to be comfortable with the word and grasp what its about.
If such a movement happened, it would be brushed aside in a day. Neoliberalism is dead
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out whom you are not allowed to criticize,"
“The Federal Reserve is an independent agency. And that means basically that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take.”
- Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve Chairman
Can anyone guess what the common denominator is???
In case you're wondering, the book's release is June 4. I've pre-ordered mine from my local indie bookstore and can't wait to dive in when it arrives.
The axe tells the forest it is there ally as its shaft is made of wood
What a BEAUTIFUL talk!!! Thank you! ❤
US citizens really need to support JILL STEIN who repeatedly says, "This empire must be dismantled to address our domestic needs."
That was a brilliantly educational interview. Just ordered the audio book.
This is one of the best description and path to change I've ever heard! Thank you🌻
Dvid Harvey, the Marxist geographer, has also written "A short history of neoliberalism". 248 pages. On Amazon, etc.
Dear Sires,
Absolutely bloody brilliant. I didn't know Mr. Monbiot was such an expert in Brazil's politics! He told the thruth of our recent history in 30 minutes.
Cheers from neoliberalism-at-all-costs-even-if-it-failed-everywhere-else Brazil!
Two of the planet's greatest educators, I salute you!
What is missing in the counter-narraritive is that accumulation of wealth and power beyond a certain threshold is highly addictive. I would put that in because it explains a lot of behavior that is plainly observable.
Thank you for bringing George Monbiot on. Please do so again soon.
The man who hates both tbe working class and rural population
Fantastic conversation. George is so insightful and a brilliant communicator.
Owen,,,we love your debates, please realise you have a Global audience and please slow down on how you talk for many to follow you. A humble request
Always brilliant to hear George Monbiot speak and explain things.
I am a big fan of the two of you. South Brazil is under the most horrific natural desastre in living memory. Porto Alegre, the capital is under the water of the river Guaíba, mainly because of the state neglect of the local infrastructures. Neo liberalism have captured the mind of almost every citizen in this country, it’s very difficult to see a positive outcome of the present situation.
Fantastic book ive learn to articulate my thoughts about neoliberalism whit it
Definitely a must read .
Brilliant speaker!
One law is all it would take to rebalance the system. Every publicly listed company should be 50% owned by its employees.
When you realise you can build a small cabin ,create your own food production and clean water supply in 8 months you realise the financial system is built to make the few very very rich .
Then you realise if the very very rich can get the workers to argue amongst themselves you have "divide and rule "
Job done
I can certainly agree with what is said in this video. I grew up in Dublin and live in the Netherlands 50 years now. Although I have enjoyed many years here, especially the 70's, slowly I began to feel just how deep Calvinism is within this culture. It has become a part of their identity. But I see it all over the world.
It's a fine articulation of the ongoing assault against humanity by the psychopathic elite. It's always some variation of allegiance to a twisted deity/creed and its Chosen Ones. I appreciate the comparison to Calvinism, or just about any other variation of monotheism.
Just ordered the book! Looking forward to reading. Thank you Messrs. Jones and Monbiot for excellent discussion
I love lessons that make me feel smarter instead of just depressed over the state of the world today. There's pure gold nestled into this, particularly on point regarding story telling the narrative behind the lies of neoliberalism. At least today's youth are open to new ideas.
One of the best videos in a long ,long time! Thanks to both of you.
Thank you both. Thanks Owen for bringing on George and thank you George for you excellent explanations.
I'm a big fan of the phrase "we are altruists being ruled by psychopaths." I will never not enjoy hearing it.
Cool interview and I have ordered the book. It will be nice to read something concise about neo-liberalism.
Monbiot is one of my heroes, can you get Kate Raworth for a similar interview?
Excellent interview and I hope many will watch. I'd better buy the book. I have much more to say but hopefully can share successfully.
Thanks buff Owen and wise George for all you do and much love for you to do so
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At such a bleak moment in our history, thank you George and Owen for helping me understanding a real way forward and that every little action helps us towards that tipping point 🙏
Wonderful discussion 👏 Thank you both so much🙏💪✌️
George Monbiot's Daily Mail reading neighbour must really hate him!
Hate comes easy to Daily Mail readers. I wouldn't take it personally if I were him.
George Monbiot is a National Treasure!
So is Stonehenge. Not sure that makes him admirable.
Love Gorge Monbiot since he wrote a really passionate article in The Guardian a while back to warn us about global warming. I was so shocked at the blunt terminology and ideas he used that I can say he inspired the denouement of the novel which I wrote in the meantime called A Twist in The Tale of The Devil. Though I finished this most unusual Vatican story before the 7th of October last, I'm still waiting on our printer to deliver it as a paperback. When he does I will post you, Owen, and George a copy each at The Guardian as it's relevant to the terrible things which have happened since and I think you will both enjoy its basic concept. XX
I think George is brilliant - wish there were more like him! I also wish he hadn't blocked me on Xitter for asking if he had regrets over his opposition to the Corbyn project (I was very polite - but get that it is probably a sore point). Anyway - thanks for this video - I am off to order the book.!
Marvellous analysis. Inspiring vision . Pragmatic guidance. Well done both.
Book ordered. Many thanks, Owen and George!
My brief scan of the video's transcript shows nothing about Julian Assange. Monbiot has, I think, been asked by others to write in his Guardian column about him which is obviously highly relevant considering the Guardian's close involvement with putting Assange in prison but Monbiot refuses to write a single word about him. He's _very_ sensitive about the topic, probably because he'd lose his plum job were he to criticise The Guardian.
It’s amazing how current times makes you forget the rat race we live in with all the levels of discontent and instability we all face in one way or another
I’m persuaded! Excellent explanation of Neoliberalism, a term I hadn’t heard before the Brexit debate. Stumbling across Gary Stevenson and now understanding how we got here, along with how we/I have been blindsided, my political views have shifted. Brilliant interview, and watched as I always enjoy listening to George.
The great failing of our education system is the falure to teach ordinary people actually how to think critically at all !!!
I don't understand why Monbiot still sticks to neoliberalism, and does not go one level deeper: capitalism. Neoliberalism is just a more naked, less constrained version of capitalism. Getting rid of neoliberalism, does not solve the problem.
well, he does start off by positing that NL was Capitalism's solution to the problem Democracy caused for it.
Owen and George ❤❤ class act!!
Yes but Jeremy Corbyn, antisemitism, squeeked Monbiot, as he tried to jump onto the bandwagon that was going past.
I guess we're all on a journey; at the moment Monbiot, Varoufakis et al are my travelling companions. Maybe they wouldn't have been before, maybe they won't be in the future
Thank you both so much! This was wonderful.
I am just reading the book. It's true, I can understand it as a person totally frustrated and uneducated with politics. It is bloody brilliant in this easy to read style. It explains so many of the things that are happening in this world. Can highly recommend it. Thank you!
p.s. will there be a German edition? Would like to give it to all my friends...😊
Great to hear such a giant of our times times talking about how we can effect change - we all need to keep hoping in these dark days!
Great subject, very important it is discussed and laid out clearly how this is an ideology that to a large extent goes against human nature. So, Owen, I have watched your channel quite a bit but today I struggled. As a non-native English speaker with quite a decent command of the language, I think I literally only understood a third of what you were saying. I understand my own limitations, but I really think you could consider slowing it down a little at times and adding less almost tugged away sub sentences.
I agree. Thanks for speaking out.
Looking forward to reading this. I'm reading Grace Blakely's Vulture Capitalism based on your interview with her and this seems like a great companion piece.
To follow on from the ' reality ' of this rich street I saw the reality of south London and observed those who pay exorbitant rents to live there. I checked up on the rents. I felt the obscenity of one of the supposedly greatest cities in the world.
That's the problem I have. Trying to explain the complexities of today is difficult. You are on the right track. Simplification. I found your work hard going as a 'normal' punter although extremely informative.
What a fantastic interview and preface Owen. Thank you :) Bravo
Thank you Owen and George 😊
Hi Owen and George….. could you maybe analyse why in the U.K. average house prices TRIPLED between 1997 and 2007. Was it light touch regulation, was it ‘allowed’ to happen ?.
Surely it is a major factor in the devastating housing/rental crisis we have today….a 10 year period that destroyed the housing ambitions of so many, yet made the pre 1997 owners so asset rich ……
Lovely interview. Thank you for sharing your insights 🙏🏻
I haven't read the book yet, but from my understanding it had its roots before the 1930s, in the early 20th century the establishment class was concerned with increasing labour empowerment, the the seeds of thought process were sown - how do we keep a socio-economic hierarchy going with labour empowerment and an increasingly educated middle class? The scene was set for a different form of totalitarianism, the wealth trickle up
Book ordered.
Probably won't learn that much new stuff but will certainly be a clear, well constructed picture & ground for argumentation.
The insight at the end, about complex systems and reaching tipping point, is one of the most optimistic ideas I've heard in ages. The idea that we only need to shift about 25% is a real light at the end of the tunnel.
That is where I realised how out of kilter this man actually is. Psychological manipulation by the few over the many... we're in that tunnel right now, and it's only leading us towards a greater darkness ahead.
I am so excited to read this book. Not sure how I'm going to get to do it but I will.
The contradiction of modern capitalism is that the free market relies on coercion for its mode of action.
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