@@Anpan-hx4jm even though it's only a year old, I think the stock was fairly limited. I bought it from AliE a month ago, and I still see it available for $160.
All other things aside, I think the x3d chips cemented AMD in a lot of peoples' minds as the go-to for gaming CPUs. I have to imagine that's worth as much as anything else in recent years, if not more, especially since the x3d chips themselves are a nice product that doesn't really move the overall sales needle very much.
I bought a 5700X3D on Amazon just a month or so ago and it's still a top 5 seller in the entire CPU section on there, and considering that the positions above and below it are almost all AM5 CPUs until the 12400F at 13th place I doubt they regret the 5800X3D one bit either
Many things made on the 7nm node from the RTX 3000 series to the RX6000 to 5000X3D series seems good/great because it was the last great hurrah of DUV fabrication before the industry shifted to much more expensive EUV. Now wafer prices have doubled going from 7nm to 5nm. From $9000USD to $17000 USD. These higher prices will continue forward. The EUV machines cost $150 million, and upcoming high NA machines are a quarter of a billion dollars. All that translates into massive price increases on chips if we want to see sizable per advancements...
RTX 3000 series is Samsung 8nm, which is their enhanced 10nm from what I heard (they had multiple 8nm nodes for different use cases + their eventual refined versions), but it's almost as dense in transistor count as TSMC 7nm. Still, Nvidia was a process node behind AMD with RTX 3000 series.
The X3D variants are what the old, old Athlon's were. Competitive to Intel at the time and probably a notch or two better. It paved the road so many other chips could walk. X3D for AMD is another line of gold they can go down and extract.
Out of curiosity... considering the 5800X3D can be had for cheap (and not much more than a 5700X3D), and offers better performance, what made you choose a 5700 over a 5800X3D?
@@TumTuned I have seen many comparisons in game and the average performance gain was 5% over 24 games. it may be as high as ten percent. In my region the 5800x3d was low on stock and wa 450 while the 5700x3d was 275. the value is what is important to a mid tier builder like myself. I dont care about a 5090 release because its too pricey...im looking at a 4070 ti super or a 9070xt....I look at value over pure performance.
Same, I got a 5700x3d and 6800xt both about 6 months ago and I feel like im golden for a while at 1440p. I have an odyssey g7, which is probably one of the best non OLED monitors, and thats my next upgrade though, OLED is just beautiful.
I also got a used 6800xt 6 months ago.... same week I upgraded to the 5700x3d. I'm getting that oled and more storage before a gpu and a cpu. I'm sure this cpu will keep up in games 2 or 3 years from now.
AM4 is a very capable platform, and it's really baffling why people feel so urged to upgrade. I built the AM4 based gaming PC for my wife with 5600x and 4070 and made a 750€ beast of a machine. I even bought a brand new 5600x for 97€, although later on I bought one used for 50. Unfortunately I made a 7950x AM5 based PC for myself, since I primarily need it for productivity, and holy hell, I never thought I would be forced to buy an AIO, but here we are. Constant ramping up of the fans despite having a very capable Peerless Assassin is just killing me. But if I wanted to game alone, I'd go for a 5700x3d or 5800x3d, no question about it. I really don't see any advantage in going a full generation up if you're playing single player story driven games apart from feeling kinda cocky because you have the latest shiz. Also, 5600x is a very capable performer and my wife plays all her stuff in 4k dlss quality well above 60fps. So yeah, nah, I really don't see any reason to move away from AM4 apart from fomo.
@zbigniew2628 Tried everything, literary. Now I'm reinstalling windows. The damn Gigabyte x870e forced me to install Win 11, no wifi and bt drivers for 10. Yeah so...with fresh Win I get a bit better idle temps, but it still ramps up to 70 for no reason. AIO it will be, unfortunately.
Why people upgrade from AM4 is because DDR5 makes improvements when gaming. Also AM5 have a much better future. Performance wise you see that from Zen 5 its a very different generation. I upgrade because i can.. Got the money for it when i did. Maybe over 1 year the future looks different.
@@rallyscoot All the improvements are marginal unless you're playing competitive FPS. I think that "because I can" is the only true answer to that question.
I was moderately sure that in 2025 I would either have upgraded or about to upgrade my am4 platform when I first bought it when the 5600x launched. I'm so glad to be wrong. I bought the 5800x3d 6 months after it launched and will probably be in my system until the next console generation arrives.
Got my R5 5600 last year, even cheaper than the 5600X and with PBO2 overclocking and undervolting it's even faster than a 5600X out of the box, and for cheaper! AM4 rules!
Same upgrade path paired with a 3080. Looking to upgrade to a 5080 and I honestly don't think the 5700X3D will hold it back much since I don't play competitive high FPS games.
@@Paulie8K I'm going to be upgrading from the 5700xt bought in 2019, Not yet sure if its going to be a 5070ti or a 9070xt, we'll see how they fare in reviews.
@@zenboy2000 I upgraded from the 5700XT to the 3080 which was a massive performance jump so you'll experience a huge boost. Well over 100%. Will be awesome!
I bought the 5700X3D from MicroCenter a month ago for $180 on sale to upgrade a 3700X on an ASRock mini-ITX build. It has an EVGA RTX 3060 XC Gaming card that I'm upgrading to a new RX 6750 XT (PowerColor Fighter) that I also bought on Amazon and should be here next week. PC is purely for gaming and will be portable for taking to LAN parties at my friends' houses. AM4 is the GOAT of all the AMD platforms.
The 5800x3D was needed, Alder Lake with P+E cores had gained traction despite high power consumption, how could AMD respond to PCIE5, DDR5 with Zen4 delayed by the Covid crisis and on a new platform? The x3D was an elegant solution, meant millions of AM4 upgrades rather than new builds and the Milan/MilanX server have also been super solid and retained popularity. It was the best CPU before the memory transition, but it actually stands up better today than expected, partly because of Windows having found extra performance for the Zen arch.
@ it doesn’t at 4k it can even handle an 5080/4090 look it up. It only a bottleneck at 1080P/2k and then it not the worse but I play mostly @4k small 1080 P dabbles with dual mode. You always rather be GPU than CPU bound
@@charlessmith9369 Man, i play in 1440p and VR, i have an 4080S, and in some games 5800x3d is the bottleneck. Just look at HUB benchmarks. Have been the best, but not anymore, time goes by very quick!
When I built my gaming PC a few years ago, and chose a 2700X, I had a big "ahh, shit" moment when AM5 was announced a few years later. And then... AMD went and released the 5800X3D. And, dear God, what an upgrade it was over my 2700X. Every once in a while, I'll check my CPU utilization while gaming, and it's still incredible how well my 5800X3D does in every game I throw at it. With an RTX 4070, it never breaks a sweat, and I've seen 4080/4090 users who have said the same thing. It's a beast of a CPU, and I don't think I'll need to worry about upgrading my mobo/CPU for at least a few more years, even after upgrading my GPU sometime in the next couple of years.
They sold you a high end gaming processor, I don't think most people are expected to buy one every single year unless they have to have the best, which the 5800X3D is not that close to anymore.
Even then the benchmarks consistently keeping showing both it and the 5700X3D variant to keep up with the best CPUs on the market currently. Never really seen it drop below the Top 10.
It's fine and still usable but it's far from the 9800X3D at this point. Still not super close to a 7800X3D either. It is about like a 7600X or 7700X, or frankly a 13600k. None of which are anywhere near the hype level of a 5800X3D. @@Daigon95
5800X3D is still a "current" chip in the current era, but I think we'll move into a new era when Zen 6 comes out with 24 or 32 cores. My work relies on CPU rendering so having more cores is huge to me and the next Ryzen could be a very significant change.
5700x3D vs. 5800x3D, 6% less performance, but also 10% less power consumption and 10% less heat (important for silent builds), and 20-30% lower price... no brainer! Although the 5800x3D is older, it seems like an overclocked version of the 5700x3D. Are 6% more frames on average worth it? Everbody has to decide for himself.
Bit of a strange question, am4 has been shown to struggle already in newer games and unable to get frames over 70 FPS at times. Eventually everyone will have to upgrade whether that's for faster ram, more cores or to be on PCIE5
i cant buy 5800X3D in Norway anymore. Only 5700X3D. Anybody know if im loosing alot of performance by choosing 5700X3D instead of 5800X3D? Edit: im upgrading from the 5600X is it worth it?
mhhhh kinda not, yes the 5800 is more powerful, but price wise the 5700 is kinda better, and the extra power is barely noticiable in gaming (i have an 5800x3d, so i watched a lot of comparissons)
this cpu has confirmed my confidence in not upgrading in the foreseeable future. looking forward to upgrading but for now this was a good buy, keeping my AM4 build going strong
i went from 2600 to 3600x to 5600x to 5700x3d on one motherboard :D got it from aliexpress for like 175$ (and sold 5600x for 100$) and i am very happy with it, also upgraded ram to 32gigs of ddr4 3600cl16 used for 55$ (and sold old one 16gbcl17 for 33$ :D) and everything runs great. I love these cheap used parts upgrades that still do something meaningful. And these used parts are cheap as many people switch to am5.
Once i saw the comparison by techpowerup of the 9800x3D vs 7800x3d vs 5800x3d, i'm definitely keeping my 5800x3D for a couple more years, maybe i'll wait for AM6... i barely hit 60% max usage and during normal use, i'm in the 10-20% range. Very impressed by the 5700x3D, few % behind but so much cheaper, this is the best gaming CPU on the market i would say right now, and AM4 platform is pretty cheap for the amount of performances you're getting. good video, thanks!
I just upgraded my i5 2500k last weekend. Yes I was cpu bottlenecked it seems, but this is the 13th year I’ve had it. Only last year did it start to show its age imo. Up to 2023 I was fine with it.
I went from 5600x to 5700x3d that I got brand new off Aliexpress for $150 about 6 months ago, was a pretty good jump, and the 5700x3d is good enough I feel no need to upgrade for a while.
I'm so excited for the last 12core X3D for AM5 its why I went with a 7600X because buying it as a starting point for cheap into a upgrade path within the next 2 years for the last AM5 12core will be worth the wait!!! second PC is still running a 3700X @stock, A RX 7600 (8GB) for Av1 Encoding, and 32gb's of 3600mt/s ram plenty for my use case for years to come as a Media/Capture machine
AM4 still has plenty of life left for gaming. The 5000X3D processors are amazing and they pair well with 5700 series, 6000 series , 7000 series graphics cards and possibly will pair well with RX 9070 & 9060 series down the road. They even pair well with Nvidia graphics cards.
still rocking my 5800X3D with my 4080, managed to get lucky on my 5800X3D with a -30 offset on all cores (tested for 2 days straight on ycruncher and corecycler) dont get me wrong its still a bottleneck for my 4080 at 240hz but I'de only consider upgrading IF i can get a 9800x3d for cheap OR if 100xx stuff launches and ends up being another milestone in performance
After owning all 3 chips, the 9800x3d is easily the new goat, it has no weaknesses, it does everything for a 8core perfectly. The others were great, but try convert a video with the 58 or 78 and wow they are so slow
Maybe I should have gotten a 5700x3d instead of a 7500f, considering how unpromising PCIE gen 5 looks and that there were great cheap boards available for AM4. It’s still insane to me though how great the value of the 7500f is, it’s 90% of the 5700x3d and cost me a bit less combined with a mobo than the x3d with a cheaper mobo.
I think yeah, it was a bit too good for most people. But the real innovation will arrive with zen 6 and 7 with architecture changes for efficiency and performance. and node jumps. we've seen Apple M4 break 4k single core score, that's amazing on 3nm. AMD will bring powerhouse chips with 12 core CCDs on 3nm, the 11800X3D will probably be the worthwhile replacement to the 5800x3d because it will combine more cores with an architectural jump and node size decrease.
With 3d cache, on top, now on the bottom, i wonder if AMD is actually trying to innovate, cause it seems like a sidefix for average memory controller, that is unexpectedly good for gaming and some other niche productivity?
wtf are you talking about, I'm still rocking my 2700X without any plans to upgrade. MAYBE I'll take 5800X3D for Doom The Dark Ages, but it still a MAYBE
@@mariuspuiu9555 maybe, the point is they're talking about 5800X3D like it's ancient history, when in reality it's still a top performer for an average user
i think it's more likely they were parts that didn't quite meet the spec for 5800x3d rather than they decided to intentionally make a product worse to inflate the value of their newer chips. you make a bunch of 5800x3ds and there's a ton of leftover silicon that doesn't quite reach the clock speeds but gets within 5% or so performance in gaming? slap a new name on it, put it in a box and sell it, as opposed to just wasting those yields. makes perfect sense, especially considering the 5700x3d is so close in performance that it wouldn't be a meaningful difference to a prospective upgrader, when it costs 50-100 less and performs basically the same. honestly it's evidence AGAINST them doing what you're implying lol, it's a better deal than the 5800x3d
I really don't think so, they had to go on producing Zen3 to satisfy server demand, but the bonding process extra steps needs packaging capacity which would have switched to 7800x3D which was the top selling chip. They'd rather sell 7800x3D or 9800x3D and the Zen5 4nm chip CCDs are actually smaller than Zen4 5nm so Zen3 may stick around a while using the chaper processes like the IODs do. Even the 7600x gaming performance matches the 5800x3D gaming performance overal. Why do people buy the Ryzen 7, what role was it the best choice? Not budget or high performance gaming and not the large multi-threaded workloads. The people who'd buy the 7700x/9700x often buy nthe x3D chip bow, because they wanted the chip for gaming.
@@decegrease the 5800x was already manufactured in a very mature process that easily reached 4.7GHz. They never said they had any problems with 5800x3d yields or the manufacturing process in general. The 5800x3d was just making all 8core zen4/5 chips look terrible and they toned the chip down by clipping it's frequency by 400MHz and renaming to 5700x3d.
@ how does making the chip 5% worse on average in gaming workloads (and in many cases, 0%) and 30ish% less expensive make it a less valuable proposition, thereby inflating AM5 value? that's an increase in value for the AM4, not a decrease, especially for an owner of an AM4 board...i'd be more likely to buy a 5700x3d for 250 than a 5800x3d for 350...and WAY more likely to buy a 5700x3d in socket upgrade than a 7800x3d platform upgrade. that's coming from someone who bought the 5800x3d for 350 before the 57 existed and the 5800x3d never made the 7800x3d, its actual successor, look terrible, at all
@@Justinian.Tumberlake that is quite a take, just go back to the caveats the 5800x3D came with on launch, worse performance at productivity tasks and no uplift in many games. "The x3D is situational" was how many reviewers put it. Now 5800x3D looks stronger because of the direction modern titles went in and performance fixes in Windows. TSMC 7nm yielded well but desktop chips were always binned, the whole point of re-using CCDs was to have a large volume of chips binned, making exceptional products like some EPYC & Threadripper models 5950 viable. The Ry 7 was priced highly, $450 for a full 8c/16t die, while the 6c/12t CCDs were much cheaper per core despite having full L3 size. The 5900x was cheap because the lower performing CCDs were viable paired with a better quality one. When AM5 came out who was going to buy 5900x? How long does it take to have enough "seconds" from the 5800x3D/MilanX production line to launch worse chips?
I damaged my now 2nd rig's 5900X removing liquid metal after 4 years on a copper heatsink. I did not know liquid metal was so darn hard to get off, using force and mallet to separate the core from the heatsink. I was looking at the 5800X3D but it was sold out at Best Buy and never came back in stock. I looked at the 5700X3D. Low clocks, and it's lousy in software production, plus at 4K and it didn't make a difference in most tiles using RTX 4070 Super class GPU. So I settled on the 5900XT which is a 16 core part. It's roughly 5-7% slower in games, but almost twice as fast in productivity. Again, 3k and 4k resolutions doesn't make that much of a difference. However, doubling the core count could make the world of difference ripping 1080P videos and upgrading them to 4K. I got it for $220 using my Christmas gift card I had planned on buying a 2 TB WD SN850X. Overall I'm happy with the 5900XT. Not as fast my 5900X O.C to 4.73 GHZ all core. CP2077 for example I would get 158 FPS at 1080P high settings with the O.C. My 5900XT I get 151 base clock. However WWZ it's faster, I got something like 305 FPS using high settings at 1080P. My old 5900X topped off at about 292 with the O.C using DDR 3600 MHZ ram. My 5900XT is using the same ram kit and GPU. To put the 5900XT in perspective, I also have AMD 9900X CPU paired with 7900XT and DDR5 CL34 at 7200 MHZ. I get 192 FPS in CP2077 using PBO, and 350 FPS in World War Z. Both cards have resizable Bar and SAM on with a fresh WIN11 24H2 installation on both. 5900XT I'm using WD SN850 1 TB drive. 9900X I'm using WD SN850X 4 TB drive. Now, if the 5800X3D was instock at Best Buy, I would have purchased that CPU instead. The 5700X3D low clocks and lousy productivity just wasn't enticing enough to make me wait for stock, especially when there's only a 1-4 FPS difference in 4K resolutions compared to the 5900XT.
The RAM price and Motherboard price is still very compelling for a lot of people to not on stay on AM4 but build new PC on. EDIT : The upgradability excuse is lame, I worked with countless customers in last 20 years and I have seen handful of people swap their CPU without motherboard. If someone has an itch to upgrade from a 7800X3D he would also have an itch to upgrade to a X670E to a X870E. And most cases I seen this one rather than only the chip.
It's not that big of a deal in gaming to be honest. Unless you're using for other tasks as well, but in that case you wouldn't use a 5700x3D in the first place probably
@andrexskin I do 3D modelling, coding and use Godot. I also like messing with emulation and playing CPU intensive games like simulators and RTS. So sometimes I miss the extra performance
The X3D is a great CPU, but it is only good for gaming with high end graphics cards. If you use a computer for spreadsheets, multimedia or internet browsing, it's an expensive CPU with no tangible benefits over a nonX3D part.
I mean, that's true, but a 5950X from the same era would be just as overkill too. You could do basic office tasks with a four or six core CPU. I remember getting the 3900X and realizing that maybe I don't need all these cores. I found things to do with it really quick, but a traditional twelve core CPU with SMT is overkill for a large chunk of the population.
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Obviously not since they're still selling the 5700x3d.
Here 5700x3d went up in price up to 250€, so it's safe to assume that's left over stock at sellers.
@@Anpan-hx4jm even though it's only a year old, I think the stock was fairly limited. I bought it from AliE a month ago, and I still see it available for $160.
They can't keep 9800x3d in stock either so its just more sales. Longer term people will upgrade to new 6ghz parts.
Still waiting on it so I can upgrade from 5600x to it because I want a better GPU than Rx 6600 xt
@@GameslordXY People buy 5700x3d because its $150 on ali. They aren't going to pay $350 for am4 bro.
All other things aside, I think the x3d chips cemented AMD in a lot of peoples' minds as the go-to for gaming CPUs. I have to imagine that's worth as much as anything else in recent years, if not more, especially since the x3d chips themselves are a nice product that doesn't really move the overall sales needle very much.
5800X3D saved AMD from a ton of people migrating to 12th gen
5800x3D paired with a 4080 is great. I have no complaints with this setup and will run it for many years. Currently using a 4K monitor as well :)
Still using the 5800x3D, hopefully it will last more!
Ok
Today, will be my last day with a 5800x3d, just bought a 9800x3d.
@@pedroferrr1412well, that’s not all you bought. You went AM5.
I bought a 5700X3D on Amazon just a month or so ago and it's still a top 5 seller in the entire CPU section on there, and considering that the positions above and below it are almost all AM5 CPUs until the 12400F at 13th place I doubt they regret the 5800X3D one bit either
Many things made on the 7nm node from the RTX 3000 series to the RX6000 to 5000X3D series seems good/great because it was the last great hurrah of DUV fabrication before the industry shifted to much more expensive EUV. Now wafer prices have doubled going from 7nm to 5nm. From $9000USD to $17000 USD. These higher prices will continue forward. The EUV machines cost $150 million, and upcoming high NA machines are a quarter of a billion dollars. All that translates into massive price increases on chips if we want to see sizable per advancements...
i think rtx 30 series was on smaznug, hence it draw so much power and was always running hot and had those massive coolers
RTX 3000 series is Samsung 8nm, which is their enhanced 10nm from what I heard (they had multiple 8nm nodes for different use cases + their eventual refined versions), but it's almost as dense in transistor count as TSMC 7nm. Still, Nvidia was a process node behind AMD with RTX 3000 series.
@@rinsenpai135 aye
The X3D variants are what the old, old Athlon's were. Competitive to Intel at the time and probably a notch or two better. It paved the road so many other chips could walk. X3D for AMD is another line of gold they can go down and extract.
Those old Athlons don't get enough credit.
I loved my slot A Athlon. It was very competitive performance wise to Intel, but was way cheaper.
Modern CPU equivalent of the GTX 1080 Ti
Spot on, 100% agree.
I am running a 5700x3d and I believe my next upgrade will be a new oled monitor, then a new ssd and then a new GPU...my cpu will still be capable.
Out of curiosity... considering the 5800X3D can be had for cheap (and not much more than a 5700X3D), and offers better performance, what made you choose a 5700 over a 5800X3D?
@@TumTuned I have seen many comparisons in game and the average performance gain was 5% over 24 games. it may be as high as ten percent. In my region the 5800x3d was low on stock and wa 450 while the 5700x3d was 275. the value is what is important to a mid tier builder like myself. I dont care about a 5090 release because its too pricey...im looking at a 4070 ti super or a 9070xt....I look at value over pure performance.
Same, I got a 5700x3d and 6800xt both about 6 months ago and I feel like im golden for a while at 1440p. I have an odyssey g7, which is probably one of the best non OLED monitors, and thats my next upgrade though, OLED is just beautiful.
I also got a used 6800xt 6 months ago.... same week I upgraded to the 5700x3d. I'm getting that oled and more storage before a gpu and a cpu. I'm sure this cpu will keep up in games 2 or 3 years from now.
AM4 is a very capable platform, and it's really baffling why people feel so urged to upgrade. I built the AM4 based gaming PC for my wife with 5600x and 4070 and made a 750€ beast of a machine. I even bought a brand new 5600x for 97€, although later on I bought one used for 50. Unfortunately I made a 7950x AM5 based PC for myself, since I primarily need it for productivity, and holy hell, I never thought I would be forced to buy an AIO, but here we are. Constant ramping up of the fans despite having a very capable Peerless Assassin is just killing me.
But if I wanted to game alone, I'd go for a 5700x3d or 5800x3d, no question about it. I really don't see any advantage in going a full generation up if you're playing single player story driven games apart from feeling kinda cocky because you have the latest shiz. Also, 5600x is a very capable performer and my wife plays all her stuff in 4k dlss quality well above 60fps. So yeah, nah, I really don't see any reason to move away from AM4 apart from fomo.
Just turn on Eco mode for 7950x... There is no point to run them on full TDP.
@zbigniew2628 Tried everything, literary. Now I'm reinstalling windows. The damn Gigabyte x870e forced me to install Win 11, no wifi and bt drivers for 10. Yeah so...with fresh Win I get a bit better idle temps, but it still ramps up to 70 for no reason. AIO it will be, unfortunately.
Why people upgrade from AM4 is because DDR5 makes improvements when gaming. Also AM5 have a much better future.
Performance wise you see that from Zen 5 its a very different generation.
I upgrade because i can.. Got the money for it when i did. Maybe over 1 year the future looks different.
@@rallyscoot All the improvements are marginal unless you're playing competitive FPS. I think that "because I can" is the only true answer to that question.
I was moderately sure that in 2025 I would either have upgraded or about to upgrade my am4 platform when I first bought it when the 5600x launched. I'm so glad to be wrong. I bought the 5800x3d 6 months after it launched and will probably be in my system until the next console generation arrives.
Got my R5 5600 last year, even cheaper than the 5600X and with PBO2 overclocking and undervolting it's even faster than a 5600X out of the box, and for cheaper! AM4 rules!
Got a 3700x Nov 2019 then upgraded to a 5700x3d Mar 2024, now on hold until AM6 and then we'll look at the reviews.
i currently use 3700x and just ordered 5800x3d, can't wait for it to arrive.😫
Same upgrade path paired with a 3080. Looking to upgrade to a 5080 and I honestly don't think the 5700X3D will hold it back much since I don't play competitive high FPS games.
@@Paulie8K I'm going to be upgrading from the 5700xt bought in 2019, Not yet sure if its going to be a 5070ti or a 9070xt, we'll see how they fare in reviews.
@@zenboy2000 I upgraded from the 5700XT to the 3080 which was a massive performance jump so you'll experience a huge boost. Well over 100%. Will be awesome!
I bought the 5700X3D from MicroCenter a month ago for $180 on sale to upgrade a 3700X on an ASRock mini-ITX build. It has an EVGA RTX 3060 XC Gaming card that I'm upgrading to a new RX 6750 XT (PowerColor Fighter) that I also bought on Amazon and should be here next week. PC is purely for gaming and will be portable for taking to LAN parties at my friends' houses. AM4 is the GOAT of all the AMD platforms.
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The 5800x3D was needed, Alder Lake with P+E cores had gained traction despite high power consumption, how could AMD respond to PCIE5, DDR5 with Zen4 delayed by the Covid crisis and on a new platform? The x3D was an elegant solution, meant millions of AM4 upgrades rather than new builds and the Milan/MilanX server have also been super solid and retained popularity.
It was the best CPU before the memory transition, but it actually stands up better today than expected, partly because of Windows having found extra performance for the Zen arch.
I’m still on 5700x3D with an 4080S I game stream edit you name it all at 4k and still max out pretty much all my games it’s a beast!
CPU bottleneck.
@ it doesn’t at 4k it can even handle an 5080/4090 look it up. It only a bottleneck at 1080P/2k and then it not the worse but I play mostly @4k small 1080 P dabbles with dual mode. You always rather be GPU than CPU bound
@@charlessmith9369 Man, i play in 1440p and VR, i have an 4080S, and in some games 5800x3d is the bottleneck. Just look at HUB benchmarks. Have been the best, but not anymore, time goes by very quick!
When I built my gaming PC a few years ago, and chose a 2700X, I had a big "ahh, shit" moment when AM5 was announced a few years later. And then... AMD went and released the 5800X3D. And, dear God, what an upgrade it was over my 2700X.
Every once in a while, I'll check my CPU utilization while gaming, and it's still incredible how well my 5800X3D does in every game I throw at it. With an RTX 4070, it never breaks a sweat, and I've seen 4080/4090 users who have said the same thing. It's a beast of a CPU, and I don't think I'll need to worry about upgrading my mobo/CPU for at least a few more years, even after upgrading my GPU sometime in the next couple of years.
Got a 5700x3d pushing my 4080 super right now
It's pushing nothing my friend ,,in CPU bound games you will bottleneck with 5700x3D
If I have a 3900x is the 5800x3d a good upgrade? I have an 7900 XTX GPU and do mostly gaming and blender/video editing stuff 50/50
My 5800x3d is performing perfectly. I hope. AMD can get a winner with the 9070 xt graphics card too. I would love to go back to an all AMD machine
CPU bottleneck.
5800X3D is tremendous and really boosts iracing and other sims.
Once Microcenter dropped the bundles for the AM4 platform, the AM5 platform actually became cheaper due to free ram on the main products series.
5800x3D being the successor to the i5 2500K is too true. Both cpus were hitting way above their weight for the time periods
They sold you a high end gaming processor, I don't think most people are expected to buy one every single year unless they have to have the best, which the 5800X3D is not that close to anymore.
Even then the benchmarks consistently keeping showing both it and the 5700X3D variant to keep up with the best CPUs on the market currently.
Never really seen it drop below the Top 10.
It's fine and still usable but it's far from the 9800X3D at this point. Still not super close to a 7800X3D either.
It is about like a 7600X or 7700X, or frankly a 13600k. None of which are anywhere near the hype level of a 5800X3D. @@Daigon95
5800X3D is still a "current" chip in the current era, but I think we'll move into a new era when Zen 6 comes out with 24 or 32 cores. My work relies on CPU rendering so having more cores is huge to me and the next Ryzen could be a very significant change.
5700x3D vs. 5800x3D, 6% less performance, but also 10% less power consumption and 10% less heat (important for silent builds), and 20-30% lower price... no brainer! Although the 5800x3D is older, it seems like an overclocked version of the 5700x3D. Are 6% more frames on average worth it? Everbody has to decide for himself.
Bit of a strange question, am4 has been shown to struggle already in newer games and unable to get frames over 70 FPS at times. Eventually everyone will have to upgrade whether that's for faster ram, more cores or to be on PCIE5
i cant buy 5800X3D in Norway anymore. Only 5700X3D. Anybody know if im loosing alot of performance by choosing 5700X3D instead of 5800X3D? Edit: im upgrading from the 5600X is it worth it?
Very very minor loss of performance.
mhhhh kinda not, yes the 5800 is more powerful, but price wise the 5700 is kinda better, and the extra power is barely noticiable in gaming (i have an 5800x3d, so i watched a lot of comparissons)
@@Arigal3 nice thx for good answer
@@theonetheycallmasterg thx 👍
You're not losing much, only about 5%
this cpu has confirmed my confidence in not upgrading in the foreseeable future. looking forward to upgrading but for now this was a good buy, keeping my AM4 build going strong
i got mine for the price of a 5700x3d somehow and its amazing
i went from 2600 to 3600x to 5600x to 5700x3d on one motherboard :D got it from aliexpress for like 175$ (and sold 5600x for 100$) and i am very happy with it, also upgraded ram to 32gigs of ddr4 3600cl16 used for 55$ (and sold old one 16gbcl17 for 33$ :D) and everything runs great. I love these cheap used parts upgrades that still do something meaningful.
And these used parts are cheap as many people switch to am5.
Once i saw the comparison by techpowerup of the 9800x3D vs 7800x3d vs 5800x3d, i'm definitely keeping my 5800x3D for a couple more years, maybe i'll wait for AM6... i barely hit 60% max usage and during normal use, i'm in the 10-20% range.
Very impressed by the 5700x3D, few % behind but so much cheaper, this is the best gaming CPU on the market i would say right now, and AM4 platform is pretty cheap for the amount of performances you're getting.
good video, thanks!
5700X3D here, bought in black friday 2024 with msi b550m pro vdh wifi, 32 gb 3600 cl16 v.skill and id cooling se 214 xt argb, total = $365
I just upgraded my i5 2500k last weekend. Yes I was cpu bottlenecked it seems, but this is the 13th year I’ve had it. Only last year did it start to show its age imo. Up to 2023 I was fine with it.
This is like the K6-3 procesor from 25 years ago, but with a better platform.
I forgot about k3's. They were socket 7's released super late.
just bought a 5800x3d. it's great.
Why would they regret selling something that moved insane numbers and continues to sell?
I went from 5600x to 5700x3d that I got brand new off Aliexpress for $150 about 6 months ago, was a pretty good jump, and the 5700x3d is good enough I feel no need to upgrade for a while.
I have a 5600x. What percentage performance increase do you estimate you got?
I'm so excited for the last 12core X3D for AM5 its why I went with a 7600X because buying it as a starting point for cheap into a upgrade path within the next 2 years for the last AM5 12core will be worth the wait!!!
second PC is still running a 3700X @stock, A RX 7600 (8GB) for Av1 Encoding, and 32gb's of 3600mt/s ram plenty for my use case for years to come as a Media/Capture machine
AM4 still has plenty of life left for gaming. The 5000X3D processors are amazing and they pair well with 5700 series, 6000 series , 7000 series graphics cards and possibly will pair well with RX 9070 & 9060 series down the road. They even pair well with Nvidia graphics cards.
I have 5600x3d crushing it in a SFF build/1440p.
If they were scared of the 5800X3D they would not release it. They should have skipped the 9000 series non X3D chips.
I dont think amd regrets it at all, it really helped solidify them as serious gaming cpu makers vs intel.
Why would AMD regret beating Intel?
No Ragrets.
Because it in theory slowed the migration to AM5.
still rocking my 5800X3D with my 4080, managed to get lucky on my 5800X3D with a -30 offset on all cores (tested for 2 days straight on ycruncher and corecycler) dont get me wrong its still a bottleneck for my 4080 at 240hz but I'de only consider upgrading IF i can get a 9800x3d for cheap OR if 100xx stuff launches and ends up being another milestone in performance
I love the x3d. I switch from my intel 13700k to 9800x3d much better 1% FPS and 60-70W less power!
After owning all 3 chips, the 9800x3d is easily the new goat, it has no weaknesses, it does everything for a 8core perfectly. The others were great, but try convert a video with the 58 or 78 and wow they are so slow
I'm thinking this thing will carry me to AM6.
Maybe I should have gotten a 5700x3d instead of a 7500f, considering how unpromising PCIE gen 5 looks and that there were great cheap boards available for AM4. It’s still insane to me though how great the value of the 7500f is, it’s 90% of the 5700x3d and cost me a bit less combined with a mobo than the x3d with a cheaper mobo.
if 5800X3D is GOAT, imagine 5700X3D.
I think yeah, it was a bit too good for most people. But the real innovation will arrive with zen 6 and 7 with architecture changes for efficiency and performance. and node jumps. we've seen Apple M4 break 4k single core score, that's amazing on 3nm. AMD will bring powerhouse chips with 12 core CCDs on 3nm, the 11800X3D will probably be the worthwhile replacement to the 5800x3d because it will combine more cores with an architectural jump and node size decrease.
I have a 5700x3D and it does very well
I don't see why should i upgrade either, specifically playing at 2160p
You think Nivida cares how great the 1080ti was? Nah, they still milking everyone with crappy tech since then
With 3d cache, on top, now on the bottom, i wonder if AMD is actually trying to innovate, cause it seems like a sidefix for average memory controller, that is unexpectedly good for gaming and some other niche productivity?
My brother is about to get my old 5800X3D and ROG B550.
I got a ROG B850 and 9800X3D at MSRP!
8700k is not mentioned
looking forward to the 9800x3d? its been out already
Didn't they end of lifed it a year ago?
wtf are you talking about, I'm still rocking my 2700X without any plans to upgrade.
MAYBE I'll take 5800X3D for Doom The Dark Ages, but it still a MAYBE
maybe if you find it on the second hand market. only the 5700x3d is selling new right now with few exceptions.
@@mariuspuiu9555 maybe, the point is they're talking about 5800X3D like it's ancient history, when in reality it's still a top performer for an average user
@ it's because it is on an old platform. for the average user it is good enough, but it's not something you can say that it's future-proofed.
@@mariuspuiu9555 well it is future proofed and served me well for 7 years, so
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5800x 3D was WAY too expensive, I got a brand-new 5700x 3D off Aliexpress for $220 CDN dollars...ridiculous price.
My 5800x3D will be happy until AM6 I'm sure
I want to upgrade from it because the 5090 is bottlenecked by everything except like 2 cpu
5800x3D is overrated as hell. If you have a 4070ti Super or above the 5800x3D will be a bottleneck period.
9800x3D gang
idk why they didnt call it 3dnow..... finally get some milage outta that name.
if your chip is older than Am4 then it is still worthwhile to build Am4, also AMD would rather you stick with AM4 than buy Intel.
They regret it, it was so close to the 7700x/9700x that they stopped selling it and started selling the 5700x3d (-400MHz) instead.
i think it's more likely they were parts that didn't quite meet the spec for 5800x3d rather than they decided to intentionally make a product worse to inflate the value of their newer chips. you make a bunch of 5800x3ds and there's a ton of leftover silicon that doesn't quite reach the clock speeds but gets within 5% or so performance in gaming? slap a new name on it, put it in a box and sell it, as opposed to just wasting those yields. makes perfect sense, especially considering the 5700x3d is so close in performance that it wouldn't be a meaningful difference to a prospective upgrader, when it costs 50-100 less and performs basically the same. honestly it's evidence AGAINST them doing what you're implying lol, it's a better deal than the 5800x3d
I really don't think so, they had to go on producing Zen3 to satisfy server demand, but the bonding process extra steps needs packaging capacity which would have switched to 7800x3D which was the top selling chip. They'd rather sell 7800x3D or 9800x3D and the Zen5 4nm chip CCDs are actually smaller than Zen4 5nm so Zen3 may stick around a while using the chaper processes like the IODs do.
Even the 7600x gaming performance matches the 5800x3D gaming performance overal. Why do people buy the Ryzen 7, what role was it the best choice? Not budget or high performance gaming and not the large multi-threaded workloads. The people who'd buy the 7700x/9700x often buy nthe x3D chip bow, because they wanted the chip for gaming.
@@decegrease the 5800x was already manufactured in a very mature process that easily reached 4.7GHz. They never said they had any problems with 5800x3d yields or the manufacturing process in general. The 5800x3d was just making all 8core zen4/5 chips look terrible and they toned the chip down by clipping it's frequency by 400MHz and renaming to 5700x3d.
@ how does making the chip 5% worse on average in gaming workloads (and in many cases, 0%) and 30ish% less expensive make it a less valuable proposition, thereby inflating AM5 value? that's an increase in value for the AM4, not a decrease, especially for an owner of an AM4 board...i'd be more likely to buy a 5700x3d for 250 than a 5800x3d for 350...and WAY more likely to buy a 5700x3d in socket upgrade than a 7800x3d platform upgrade. that's coming from someone who bought the 5800x3d for 350 before the 57 existed
and the 5800x3d never made the 7800x3d, its actual successor, look terrible, at all
@@Justinian.Tumberlake that is quite a take, just go back to the caveats the 5800x3D came with on launch, worse performance at productivity tasks and no uplift in many games. "The x3D is situational" was how many reviewers put it. Now 5800x3D looks stronger because of the direction modern titles went in and performance fixes in Windows.
TSMC 7nm yielded well but desktop chips were always binned, the whole point of re-using CCDs was to have a large volume of chips binned, making exceptional products like some EPYC & Threadripper models 5950 viable.
The Ry 7 was priced highly, $450 for a full 8c/16t die, while the 6c/12t CCDs were much cheaper per core despite having full L3 size. The 5900x was cheap because the lower performing CCDs were viable paired with a better quality one.
When AM5 came out who was going to buy 5900x?
How long does it take to have enough "seconds" from the 5800x3D/MilanX production line to launch worse chips?
I damaged my now 2nd rig's 5900X removing liquid metal after 4 years on a copper heatsink. I did not know liquid metal was so darn hard to get off, using force and mallet to separate the core from the heatsink. I was looking at the 5800X3D but it was sold out at Best Buy and never came back in stock. I looked at the 5700X3D. Low clocks, and it's lousy in software production, plus at 4K and it didn't make a difference in most tiles using RTX 4070 Super class GPU. So I settled on the 5900XT which is a 16 core part. It's roughly 5-7% slower in games, but almost twice as fast in productivity. Again, 3k and 4k resolutions doesn't make that much of a difference. However, doubling the core count could make the world of difference ripping 1080P videos and upgrading them to 4K. I got it for $220 using my Christmas gift card I had planned on buying a 2 TB WD SN850X. Overall I'm happy with the 5900XT. Not as fast my 5900X O.C to 4.73 GHZ all core. CP2077 for example I would get 158 FPS at 1080P high settings with the O.C. My 5900XT I get 151 base clock. However WWZ it's faster, I got something like 305 FPS using high settings at 1080P. My old 5900X topped off at about 292 with the O.C using DDR 3600 MHZ ram. My 5900XT is using the same ram kit and GPU.
To put the 5900XT in perspective, I also have AMD 9900X CPU paired with 7900XT and DDR5 CL34 at 7200 MHZ. I get 192 FPS in CP2077 using PBO, and 350 FPS in World War Z. Both cards have resizable Bar and SAM on with a fresh WIN11 24H2 installation on both. 5900XT I'm using WD SN850 1 TB drive. 9900X I'm using WD SN850X 4 TB drive. Now, if the 5800X3D was instock at Best Buy, I would have purchased that CPU instead. The 5700X3D low clocks and lousy productivity just wasn't enticing enough to make me wait for stock, especially when there's only a 1-4 FPS difference in 4K resolutions compared to the 5900XT.
to expensive , best value on am4 is 5600
The RAM price and Motherboard price is still very compelling for a lot of people to not on stay on AM4 but build new PC on.
EDIT : The upgradability excuse is lame, I worked with countless customers in last 20 years and I have seen handful of people swap their CPU without motherboard.
If someone has an itch to upgrade from a 7800X3D he would also have an itch to upgrade to a X670E to a X870E. And most cases I seen this one rather than only the chip.
I wish I had gotten it instead of the 5700x3D. The lower clock was a letdown
It's not that big of a deal in gaming to be honest.
Unless you're using for other tasks as well, but in that case you wouldn't use a 5700x3D in the first place probably
Mines edit game and stream at 4k I can’t complain
@andrexskin I do 3D modelling, coding and use Godot. I also like messing with emulation and playing CPU intensive games like simulators and RTS. So sometimes I miss the extra performance
No
It`s MID
It`s just more Cache
I want to see them bring MASSIVE performance on a base Ryzen 7 or Ryzen 9 and even more MASSIVE with the 3D V-Cache
End of lifing 😂
Zen 3 even the X3D is quite weak in a lot of newer games.
The X3D is a great CPU, but it is only good for gaming with high end graphics cards. If you use a computer for spreadsheets, multimedia or internet browsing, it's an expensive CPU with no tangible benefits over a nonX3D part.
I mean, that's true, but a 5950X from the same era would be just as overkill too. You could do basic office tasks with a four or six core CPU.
I remember getting the 3900X and realizing that maybe I don't need all these cores. I found things to do with it really quick, but a traditional twelve core CPU with SMT is overkill for a large chunk of the population.
1st !!!
Still rocking one. A great purchase.
The AM4 Ryzens are best i think. No reason to jump to AM5. Ill see what AM6 will bring to the table.