In Germany some authorized resellers offer it at 3599€. Such a nice bike by the way. I am not a huge carbon fan therefore this model in particular would be my first choice. If you have the chance go and ride it
I picked the 2021 TM 170 STEREO . Beefy frame, great components specifically. All day Enduro w great travel! 186 or 6' 1" 230 lbs. fit the XL frame 👌. Comfortable and strong. Best buy for 2021 model. Really like it, thanks for the in depth review.
Hi. I'm really into buying this bike but can't decide if to go L or XL frame, it's a substantial increase in the seat tube length. I'm 183 cm 85 kilo 87cm inseam pretty average I think. How does it feel for you whit the seat post slammed?
@BikeRadar team, thank you so much for your accurate review, it means a lot to me. Since two months I was looking for a good mtb. Price and quality my target and this model in particular has both of them. Best of all, I am not a huge carbon fan. I will order it today :)
Tyres are consumables, horses for courses. Here in NZ we have seasons and terrain, and we swap tyres in and out again for both. Some of us have spare wheel sets to save on the mucking around. I suspect it is an error to judge a bike on tyre choice, better to penalise the bike to the tune of a replacement tyre, especially given the broad price variation in the cost of the bikes tested anyway. Hey, most Specialized bikes come with Butcher tyres, but who really cares after they chew out the first set?
We've already released the 1st and 2nd place videos which you can find here: Winner - ruclips.net/video/zwT5Qf7hn0w/видео.html 2nd - ruclips.net/video/v18z4lXsqWw/видео.html
What is the problem with the 20" one? I'm 182cm tall and I was thinking for the 20" one, but it's not clear to me what the issue is. Also what's the difference between SL and TR one?
This bike is just 900€ in my town this weekend. It’s not brand new, it was a rental bike, but if it’s have a good condition, would be a good buy? Used for only 3-4 months…
Hi, I would like to know to make slacker 64.4 has to be forward diretion. The market line that comes the headset. I understand that if the line marl the rider direction is 65 degree. Is that right.?. Thankyou.
would you say this bike has a linear spring curve? i find myself bottoming out often, with maximum volume spacers and max air pressure ending up at 28% sag in the rear...
this is the bike Im considering to get as an addition to my Whyte909V2... And the tire choice doesn't bother me at all, as that's something I'd be changing of the course of a year anyways... Tires are just to much personal preference and you wanna adapt to the different ground anyways.
I fucking hate how everyone is complaining about the price. THE BIKE HAS FOX KASHIMAS. What do you guys wanna pay ? 2000$ ? This bike is literally the dream bike for a lot of people. Long travel enduro with top of the line specs and an alloy frame which is bomb proof weighing in at 14.4. KG. Paying 4 grand is very very fair in my opinion.
Hi, I would like to know if anyone recomend to mullet 27.5 wheel on the rear on the cube stereo 170, and I think that the rear shock configuration should be different. I think the bike should be more agressive for downhill. Or you shoul not recomend. Any experience with that. Thankyou.
I’ve also noticed that on the ews team are also running aluminium frame. As they don’t need to save price for the pros why aren’t they running a carbon frame
Because carbon molds are expensive and a degree slacker HA and a longer stroke shock are much easier to do on an alu frame than on a carbon one. Basically, this one is stereo 150 with minor modifications.
Quoting Enduro bike magazine this bike is more a comfortable trail bike than a capable enduro race rig, so it is surprising to have it in third place in your review
It would be very helpful to specify in the description above the list of bikes that are in contention. Then we the readers can better judge if your picks are solid or biased rubbish. Thanks.
Why would you think they're biased rubbish? Here's the page with all of our bike of the year contenders one. www.bikeradar.com/features/bike-of-the-year/
BikeRadar: Decades of living and having a vibrant questioning mind leads to skepticism in this consumer world. Product makers/marketers are forever influencing and biasing “independent reviewers” in automobiles, alpine skiing, home products, music.... The list is endless. Let’s be clear. I am not calling your reviews rubbish. I have no knowledge of or personal relationship with you. As such I have an open but skeptical mind at this point in time and will make a decision at a later point. Your review of this Cube seemed comprehensive and professional. I appreciate that. Thank you for the list. Speaking for myself I have very limited time to skim over a few 100 channels and sites in a day. A select few have earned more of my time consistently. As I’m currently merely a fast browser of this channel I wasn’t motivated to investigate if you had a full review list elsewhere as apparently you do. If this was my channel I would provide that list up front in every description involving a new bike being reviewed for bike of the year along with a check mark of which bikes on that list have been reviewed and which ones are up for review in the future.
Everything functions properly ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of RUclips. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
Its low enough, after all we are talking about a size Large here, or do you need to get your seat below the top of your tyres? Having a seatbube that isnt dh bike short is great when you are 180+cm i.e just over average for a european male. I got a 160mm dropper and in the dropped position the seat is still at bar height. It looks a little less ridiculous when the seattube isnt that short.
@@obi-wankenobi9871 whats your point here? My saddle height is never above handlebar seatpost in its highest position. So tall seat tube is sometimes real issue because I have short inseam and I prefer longer bikes. Its unacceptable to have roadbike long seat tube in mountain bike.
It has to be that way beacause of the kink in the seat tube at the linkage hinge axis mount. The seatpost may be inserted only until its bottom reaches that kink. Most dropper seatpost have at least 220 - 250 mm of the insertion length so it is no point in making that section of the seat tube shorter. I think doin go would also limit tall riders as they would not be able to preserve the seatpost minimal insertion length.
Tobias Stamenkovic personally I like the longer seat tube. I’m tall and hate having 170mm dropper post with 180mm of seat post sticking out of the seat tube. Looks stupid and it flexes too much.
If a cube was at 1 step of winning enduro bike of the year...then, the lockdown imposed by the government should be the least concern for bikeradar's editors and journos. Thier minds are whoo-whoo already. A shite(cheapest production costs of them all) bike with shite kinematics and bling-bling kashima and that is enough to call it a close winner.I took the pill with the Whyte bike, considering they are pretty decent and forgived the journos bias on their own country's brand....but, at least, Whyte are pretty decent bikes. But Cube.., cube??, what on Earth's name is this rigged selection and order?, cube??, ffs, there are 10 million better bikes outhere than cube. You buy a cube bike like you buy the cheapest car possible: you know nothing about cars, nor you are passionate about driving. The same is with cube: you know nothing about mtb-ing, but the price seems good to you and it has that fox kashima you heard about in other ppls discussion; that means they are pretty good, right? Wrong, they are shite on wheels. A buddy of mine brought their top of the line, c:68, thinking, well, the geo looks right, it has kashima and carbon everywhere...remember..5.6k bike right?, the LBS offer was 2.7k..and he bite it. First conclusion: if a store can sell you a brand new 5.6k bike with 2.7k, what is the actual value of the bike? Second conclusion: if a store sells you with 2.7k a bike that has a shelf price of 5.6k, don't effin take it. Yes, it is that bad. (try to go to any other bike store(brand) and ask for almost a 3k discount from the retail price) So, from 'almost' personal experience and from other reviews, I know it is a shite bike, most overrated and with bad kinematics. What I don't know is how such a bike magazine can push in front of us such a joke of a bike? And, by the way, my buddy is keeping his cube just a little longer to have ppl think it is a good bike and sell it for more than the price he paid for it. One enduro race and he figure it out that is was a shite on wheels. So, to end this, bikeradar, please stop being a paid marketing tool for cube and similar. It is very-very lame so please, stop doing it.
Rob chose the Cube because he thought it was a great bike. You're more than welcome to disagree, but as the Editor In-Chief of our review team and having tested 1000's of bikes over a career which included international racing, his opinion is one we and the bike industry as a whole absolutely value. Any finally, this is absolutely not a paid for review. All of our sponsored content is clearly marked as such when we upload to RUclips, and in the first line of the video description. If you don't see it then no money has changed hands. No exceptions. BikeRadar reviews are not for sale and NEVER will be.
Thanks for you comment and sorry you feel that way. I was as surprised as anyone when I rode the new 170. I've ridden a lot of Cube's over the years and they've done OK but never been amazing when it comes to enduro bikes. No, the back end isn't as capable as that of the Whyte or the Specialized Enduro but with the X2 shock, it works really quite well (I rode the cheaper version of this bike and didn't like it as much). It maybe feels a little more like a long travel trail bike than a full-on enduro bike but it's really agile and playful and can be ridden pretty quickly. The tyres need changing though. This isn't a paid for vid by the way. We don't get paid for any reviews.
@@robweaver5849 ok man, I'll bite it. Probably is not as bad as the previous model(my buddy has the 150-160 action team model); and while I do like a well priced bike(that is why my next bike will be a mega 290 and not the new spez enduro, as it is illogical to pay that much for a bike), I would never buy from a brand that gives a sale discount to a bike more than 50% of the bike's retail price. No one should. That means the bike is a fraud, the brand is a fraud and the bike-company is a fraud. And, as you also mentioned the new enduro, that bike works well with any(cheaper) shock and this cube is not(your words, not mines); what this means in relation to the bike's kinematics? For me, it means it is a bad bike. Does not matter if is alu or carbon, progressive geometry or not. What matters and it is most important are the kinematics. It is like painting a Vauxhall in Ferrari red color. It is Ferrari red but, beneath the paint, there is still a Vauxhall. And so it with this bike. Spec it as high as you like, it will never have the kinematics of a better bike. There is also one more aspect(actually, two); firstly, what you will say to the ppl that do not have 4k for this kashima bling model and they go ahead to first cube lbs and get a 2k model; and surprise, when they ride it, the bike isn't quite the no. 3 spot in best enduro bikes of 2020. Secondly, I don't think this road of appreciating a bike due to its spec is a good one for us, mtb-ers. Maybe is good for the brands/manufacturers but, for us, it would be much more usefull to have a decent bike without having to spec it with the latest and greatest shocks and forks. In the end, what we need(or should need) are better bikes, not bikes that are good only when specced with top of the line parts. You are doing this(job) for manufacturers or for the mtb crowd? P.S. ok, I came a little hard on your review...I'll admit it; but, that is only because of what I know about this brand and this bike in particular. It seems to totally contradict what you are saying. P.P.S. I also have a friend that took the alu one, basic model with a discount at around 1.7k. One of his ridding buddys has a radon swoop 29er. He can't touch that guy on the downs, while he is the better rider from all 3 of us.he was smoking fast when all of us had our previous less capable bikes. Idk..maybe you should do a test with all the bikes being the cheapest model from their respective line-ups. If the prices were very diff, at least you would know for what you are paying. Alternatively, if a 2.5k bike can keep up or be better than a 4k bike, both being at the base of their product range, at least you would know on what bike you should spend your money. ...just some little thoughts to consider for the future.. Cheers.
@@eugenux what are you smoking? kinematics, kinematics, kinematics.....the bike rolls, you saw the video, the guy can shred on it so why kinematics all the time? kinematics the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of objects without reference to the forces which cause the motion......the bike moves and moves fast!!!!!!!!!!!! are you blind or just a spaz?
What do you think about the Cube Stereo 170? Is it a worthy contender? Let us know in the comments!
Is this alluminum frame? How much is this bike?
In Germany some authorized resellers offer it at 3599€. Such a nice bike by the way. I am not a huge carbon fan therefore this model in particular would be my first choice. If you have the chance go and ride it
@@BengLang84 it's Aluminium it cost 2999 € by cube but you can find it for less than 2500€ for the normal one .
I dont know about the sl one
Marcel Schuster I got mine for that price during the first week of april. A special sale of a local store.
@Marcel Schuster fitstore24 sells it for 3800€
More companies need to offer top spec aluminum frame bikes
Nice to see a nicely equipped bike with aluminium!
I picked the 2021 TM 170 STEREO . Beefy frame, great components specifically.
All day Enduro w great travel! 186 or 6' 1" 230 lbs. fit the XL frame 👌.
Comfortable and strong. Best buy for 2021 model. Really like it, thanks for the in depth review.
Hi. I'm really into buying this bike but can't decide if to go L or XL frame, it's a substantial increase in the seat tube length. I'm 183 cm 85 kilo 87cm inseam pretty average I think. How does it feel for you whit the seat post slammed?
@BikeRadar team, thank you so much for your accurate review, it means a lot to me. Since two months I was looking for a good mtb. Price and quality my target and this model in particular has both of them. Best of all, I am not a huge carbon fan. I will order it today :)
Great to hear you found the review useful Daniel and best of luck with your new bike!
My kind of bike, great spec and alloy
I order the Bike one hour ago and im so happy and After this Video I now that i will have something very good.
Thanks nice Video 👍🏼👌🏼
The cheapest Cube Stereo 170 model in China is only $2825 ! So this is really the ideal enduro bike for me ！
would this be the winner if the tyre where better?
Tyres are consumables, horses for courses. Here in NZ we have seasons and terrain, and we swap tyres in and out again for both. Some of us have spare wheel sets to save on the mucking around. I suspect it is an error to judge a bike on tyre choice, better to penalise the bike to the tune of a replacement tyre, especially given the broad price variation in the cost of the bikes tested anyway. Hey, most Specialized bikes come with Butcher tyres, but who really cares after they chew out the first set?
I couldn't agree more. Tyres are personal preference too
Here-Here. I agree.
Never understood the hype about tyres and talking the bike down because of them when I chew through multiple three sets each year lol
Where did the Canyon Strive come ?
Very Good Video cant wait for the other bikes to come
We've already released the 1st and 2nd place videos which you can find here: Winner - ruclips.net/video/zwT5Qf7hn0w/видео.html 2nd - ruclips.net/video/v18z4lXsqWw/видео.html
Thanks for review. Is it good for bike parks?
Dear people doing enduro bike reviews, please eview enduro bikes on national level enduro trails
@Phillip1310 if your not riding this bike to its capability then you're over biked and you'd be an idiot. Like yourself
Entertaining and informative as always. Cheers The Weaves!
What is the problem with the 20" one? I'm 182cm tall and I was thinking for the 20" one, but it's not clear to me what the issue is. Also what's the difference between SL and TR one?
When the test of the strive ?
Looking forward to it.
Looks good but I'd prefer a carbon frame option. I spent two years on the 160SL 27.5 version. Great bike.
Thank you for this review! it has decided me on purchasing this bike!!
Thank you for your review...
I‘don’t know what but. The Stereo 170 or the Propain Tyee...
the cube is a better value but if you want your bike slightly longer and perhaps a carbon frame you could splurge and get the propain
Dead on! Awesome review 👍👍👍
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching from your friends at BikeRadar!
How is it like to cycle uphill with the Stereo170? Would you recommend it for longer Tours Or even an alpine crossing?
This bike is just 900€ in my town this weekend. It’s not brand new, it was a rental bike, but if it’s have a good condition, would be a good buy? Used for only 3-4 months…
How tall was the rider and wich size bike did you have?
Great review as always! The bike looks great and very balanced.
Glad to hear you liked it and thanks for watching from your friends at BikeRadar!
Hi, I would like to know to make slacker 64.4 has to be forward diretion. The market line that comes the headset. I understand that if the line marl the rider direction is 65 degree. Is that right.?. Thankyou.
would you say this bike has a linear spring curve? i find myself bottoming out often, with maximum volume spacers and max air pressure ending up at 28% sag in the rear...
Is it more playfull and agile than a pivot firebird 29?
Well the firebird has a short chain stay so it’s very agile for an enduro bike. If youre planning to buy that bike you’ll be fine
Yeah, i bought it and i love it. Tested it many times bevore because the price tag is god damn heavy 😂 but for me, it‘s the best bike arround.
@@manuelketterl557 I’m glad youre happy with your purchase
Would u say this is a tall bike compared to others?
Did you guys did the canyon strive review?
this is the bike Im considering to get as an addition to my Whyte909V2... And the tire choice doesn't bother me at all, as that's something I'd be changing of the course of a year anyways... Tires are just to much personal preference and you wanna adapt to the different ground anyways.
Geometry looks great!
I fucking hate how everyone is complaining about the price. THE BIKE HAS FOX KASHIMAS. What do you guys wanna pay ? 2000$ ? This bike is literally the dream bike for a lot of people. Long travel enduro with top of the line specs and an alloy frame which is bomb proof weighing in at 14.4. KG. Paying 4 grand is very very fair in my opinion.
what is the difference between SL TM Race?
Hi, I would like to know if anyone recomend to mullet 27.5 wheel on the rear on the cube stereo 170, and I think that the rear shock configuration should be different. I think the bike should be more agressive for downhill. Or you shoul not recomend. Any experience with that. Thankyou.
I’ve also noticed that on the ews team are also running aluminium frame. As they don’t need to save price for the pros why aren’t they running a carbon frame
It only comes in aluminum
Because carbon molds are expensive and a degree slacker HA and a longer stroke shock are much easier to do on an alu frame than on a carbon one.
Basically, this one is stereo 150 with minor modifications.
Can you do this with the stereo 150 c62 race 29 ?
how tall are you?
hope 225mm brakes, coil damper and 26 wheels and I would like it.
0.4 Degree head tube adjustment! Surely whats the point?
0.6
Yeah, I doubt anyone is going to put it in the steep mode.
They need to do cross country bike of the year
yay cube!
Quoting Enduro bike magazine this bike is more a comfortable trail bike than a capable enduro race rig, so it is surprising to have it in third place in your review
Anyone knows a Hardtail with boost spacing and thru axles on both wheels around 1200 usd?
Nukeproof and Commencal will probably have options around that price.
What he said ^ ;)
Think vitus do a couple of great hardtails in that price range
MaQuGo119
Specialized Fuse.
It would be very helpful to specify in the description above the list of bikes that are in contention. Then we the readers can better judge if your picks are solid or biased rubbish. Thanks.
Why would you think they're biased rubbish? Here's the page with all of our bike of the year contenders one. www.bikeradar.com/features/bike-of-the-year/
BikeRadar: Decades of living and having a vibrant questioning mind leads to skepticism in this consumer world. Product makers/marketers are forever influencing and biasing “independent reviewers” in automobiles, alpine skiing, home products, music.... The list is endless. Let’s be clear. I am not calling your reviews rubbish. I have no knowledge of or personal relationship with you. As such I have an open but skeptical mind at this point in time and will make a decision at a later point. Your review of this Cube seemed comprehensive and professional. I appreciate that. Thank you for the list. Speaking for myself I have very limited time to skim over a few 100 channels and sites in a day. A select few have earned more of my time consistently. As I’m currently merely a fast browser of this channel I wasn’t motivated to investigate if you had a full review list elsewhere as apparently you do. If this was my channel I would provide that list up front in every description involving a new bike being reviewed for bike of the year along with a check mark of which bikes on that list have been reviewed and which ones are up for review in the future.
riding Stereo geometry uphills with the 4 bar link is no good
Everything functions properly ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of RUclips. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
It kinda looks similar to the Giant reign 29 pro
it's a cool bike, but I simply dont like the look - which is a shame - so not sure i'll be picking it up when I'm bike shopping later this year.
I think it’s a beautiful bike
Nice
Unnecessarily long seatmast on anything beyond medium? Ill pass... In typical Cube fashion, they mess up the basics as usual.
Its low enough, after all we are talking about a size Large here, or do you need to get your seat below the top of your tyres? Having a seatbube that isnt dh bike short is great when you are 180+cm i.e just over average for a european male. I got a 160mm dropper and in the dropped position the seat is still at bar height.
It looks a little less ridiculous when the seattube isnt that short.
RUclips User it just means shorter people can’t size up if they want to
@@obi-wankenobi9871 whats your point here? My saddle height is never above handlebar seatpost in its highest position. So tall seat tube is sometimes real issue because I have short inseam and I prefer longer bikes. Its unacceptable to have roadbike long seat tube in mountain bike.
It has to be that way beacause of the kink in the seat tube at the linkage hinge axis mount. The seatpost may be inserted only until its bottom reaches that kink. Most dropper seatpost have at least 220 - 250 mm of the insertion length so it is no point in making that section of the seat tube shorter. I think doin go would also limit tall riders as they would not be able to preserve the seatpost minimal insertion length.
Tobias Stamenkovic personally I like the longer seat tube. I’m tall and hate having 170mm dropper post with 180mm of seat post sticking out of the seat tube. Looks stupid and it flexes too much.
XT drivetrain 👍👍👍👍
Stop saying what the bike or part of it ISN'T. This review is loaded with negative connotations. Try using positive terms.
To expensive for me 😅
It will fall apart after a month or two
Sp4m Solo How come?
No it wont
@@jenssvela5988 haha oh yes it wil.
@@camperhonsa8633 they always fall apart. Piss poor they are
True
I don't know why nobody is addressing the pressfit elephant in the room. It's 2020 going on 2021 and that shit needs to be eliminated.
The black matte is horrible
Cube frames are made out of paper. Expect to break them and get them creeky and twisted in a few months
Maybe i will get one and we will see if it holds
Have my attention sl for 2 years nothing yet and I have thrown that bike through a ringer
lmao that boomer dabbing.
Boomers are like minimum 55 years old?
Don't know about boomer, but yeah, they should not have shown that.
Cube is shit never had such a bad bike in my life had always mecanical problems👎
If a cube was at 1 step of winning enduro bike of the year...then, the lockdown imposed by the government should be the least concern for bikeradar's editors and journos. Thier minds are whoo-whoo already.
A shite(cheapest production costs of them all) bike with shite kinematics and bling-bling kashima and that is enough to call it a close winner.I took the pill with the Whyte bike, considering they are pretty decent and forgived the journos bias on their own country's brand....but, at least, Whyte are pretty decent bikes. But Cube.., cube??, what on Earth's name is this rigged selection and order?, cube??, ffs, there are 10 million better bikes outhere than cube. You buy a cube bike like you buy the cheapest car possible: you know nothing about cars, nor you are passionate about driving. The same is with cube: you know nothing about mtb-ing, but the price seems good to you and it has that fox kashima you heard about in other ppls discussion; that means they are pretty good, right?
Wrong, they are shite on wheels. A buddy of mine brought their top of the line, c:68, thinking, well, the geo looks right, it has kashima and carbon everywhere...remember..5.6k bike right?, the LBS offer was 2.7k..and he bite it.
First conclusion: if a store can sell you a brand new 5.6k bike with 2.7k, what is the actual value of the bike?
Second conclusion: if a store sells you with 2.7k a bike that has a shelf price of 5.6k, don't effin take it. Yes, it is that bad.
(try to go to any other bike store(brand) and ask for almost a 3k discount from the retail price)
So, from 'almost' personal experience and from other reviews, I know it is a shite bike, most overrated and with bad kinematics. What I don't know is how such a bike magazine can push in front of us such a joke of a bike?
And, by the way, my buddy is keeping his cube just a little longer to have ppl think it is a good bike and sell it for more than the price he paid for it. One enduro race and he figure it out that is was a shite on wheels.
So, to end this, bikeradar, please stop being a paid marketing tool for cube and similar. It is very-very lame so please, stop doing it.
Rob chose the Cube because he thought it was a great bike. You're more than welcome to disagree, but as the Editor In-Chief of our review team and having tested 1000's of bikes over a career which included international racing, his opinion is one we and the bike industry as a whole absolutely value.
Any finally, this is absolutely not a paid for review. All of our sponsored content is clearly marked as such when we upload to RUclips, and in the first line of the video description. If you don't see it then no money has changed hands. No exceptions.
BikeRadar reviews are not for sale and NEVER will be.
Thanks for you comment and sorry you feel that way. I was as surprised as anyone when I rode the new 170. I've ridden a lot of Cube's over the years and they've done OK but never been amazing when it comes to enduro bikes. No, the back end isn't as capable as that of the Whyte or the Specialized Enduro but with the X2 shock, it works really quite well (I rode the cheaper version of this bike and didn't like it as much). It maybe feels a little more like a long travel trail bike than a full-on enduro bike but it's really agile and playful and can be ridden pretty quickly. The tyres need changing though.
This isn't a paid for vid by the way. We don't get paid for any reviews.
@@robweaver5849 ok man, I'll bite it. Probably is not as bad as the previous model(my buddy has the 150-160 action team model); and while I do like a well priced bike(that is why my next bike will be a mega 290 and not the new spez enduro, as it is illogical to pay that much for a bike), I would never buy from a brand that gives a sale discount to a bike more than 50% of the bike's retail price. No one should. That means the bike is a fraud, the brand is a fraud and the bike-company is a fraud.
And, as you also mentioned the new enduro, that bike works well with any(cheaper) shock and this cube is not(your words, not mines); what this means in relation to the bike's kinematics?
For me, it means it is a bad bike. Does not matter if is alu or carbon, progressive geometry or not. What matters and it is most important are the kinematics. It is like painting a Vauxhall in Ferrari red color. It is Ferrari red but, beneath the paint, there is still a Vauxhall. And so it with this bike. Spec it as high as you like, it will never have the kinematics of a better bike.
There is also one more aspect(actually, two); firstly, what you will say to the ppl that do not have 4k for this kashima bling model and they go ahead to first cube lbs and get a 2k model; and surprise, when they ride it, the bike isn't quite the no. 3 spot in best enduro bikes of 2020.
Secondly, I don't think this road of appreciating a bike due to its spec is a good one for us, mtb-ers. Maybe is good for the brands/manufacturers but, for us, it would be much more usefull to have a decent bike without having to spec it with the latest and greatest shocks and forks. In the end, what we need(or should need) are better bikes, not bikes that are good only when specced with top of the line parts. You are doing this(job) for manufacturers or for the mtb crowd?
P.S. ok, I came a little hard on your review...I'll admit it; but, that is only because of what I know about this brand and this bike in particular. It seems to totally contradict what you are saying.
P.P.S. I also have a friend that took the alu one, basic model with a discount at around 1.7k. One of his ridding buddys has a radon swoop 29er. He can't touch that guy on the downs, while he is the better rider from all 3 of us.he was smoking fast when all of us had our previous less capable bikes.
Idk..maybe you should do a test with all the bikes being the cheapest model from their respective line-ups. If the prices were very diff, at least you would know for what you are paying. Alternatively, if a 2.5k bike can keep up or be better than a 4k bike, both being at the base of their product range, at least you would know on what bike you should spend your money.
...just some little thoughts to consider for the future..
Cheers.
@@eugenux what are you smoking? kinematics, kinematics, kinematics.....the bike rolls, you saw the video, the guy can shred on it so why kinematics all the time? kinematics the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of objects without reference to the forces which cause the motion......the bike moves and moves fast!!!!!!!!!!!! are you blind or just a spaz?
@@lcc8394 excellent, go ahead and buy yourself a btwin! ;)