As I mentioned on your Facebook, the test was not fair, as the price difference is huge. But after listening to the samples of Madonna's song, I notice that both sound very similar. This test makes one thing clear: where the investment should be made is in the cartridge, and not in the turntable, as that is where there are clear differences with tighter price margins. Excuse my English. I use Google Translator.
Very interesting comparison! Interesting how close they are but... B sounds better overall. It has a wider stereo image, better definition of instruments, layers and space. The highs are a bit smoother and the lows are a tad better defined. Thank you HiFisquarepants!
Both sound good and the difference is subtle. But I think B sounds a bit more detailed and has better demping with better (micro) dynamics. The sound seems 'sharper', if that makes sense. Also the stereo width seems a little better on B. So my guess is B is the 1200 G. If not, than the 100C is a really great deal! 😅
I just played "Like a Virgin" from the 24/192 samples - "A" sounds like a record. There's nothing that bad about it. "B" sounds like real music in comparison. I almost don't hear a record being played in comparison, for lack of a better phrase. Everything just comes to life better, with a wider, more open image with better depth, greater rendering of the different colors and textures, dynamics, musical cohesiveness, the rhythm tightness snap and swing, etc., and its all just more engaging. Wow. It sounds amazing...and this is from a 1980s 14 bit digital recording, though a beautifully produced and engineered one. I hope you transferred the whole album with "B".
Thank you :) I'll record full LPs with the Umami Red ;) This is how the voting goes: A: 5 B: 20 No winner: 2 This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
I used a pair of Focal Utopia 22 for this comparison and even then it was so close but B ultimately triumphed with better vocal imaging and instrument separation. While A was slightly more compressed sounding in comparison?
I think this a a great example of the diminishing returns of this hobby. B sounds better to me and more enjoyable to listen to, but not by much. My guess would be that B is the G and at 4 to 5 x the cost of the 100c it’s a pretty modest difference in sound. If B is the 100c, I’m buying one tomorrow!
The difference is subtle, but B sounds bigger and more detailed overall. It's the most drastic in "Peaches en Regalia" -- on B you can really make out the snare drum much better than the other turntable.
Just from the first sample alone, on an M1 MacBook Air's speakers, I could tell that "B" was far smoother, deeper, and more spacious sounding. "A" sounds brighter, harsher, flatter, and more "digital" sounding. No contest, not at all subtle. Subsequent samples just confirm this. I suspect that something like a SDS mat between platter and rubber mat on the SL100C could close the gap a bit and make the differences more subtle. Better feet could probably help as well. Assuming that both decks are using identical cable connections for this test, the biggest improvements seem bound to be mechanical. I'd be very curious how close you could get the SL100C with mods sounding to the 1200G without mods, without completely breaking the bank. That's what I've tried to do with my 1210GR and APM Achromat, Isonoe feet, and changes to torque setting (the SL100C *SHOULD* be operating by default at the lower torque setting, I believe). Thank you for this! Extremely useful comparison.
Not listening on the best system here but B sounds better. Edit.. Certainly on round one and two it does. The vocal on round teo really stands out. On my system, round three there's not much in it. Seems like better mids on B in round one and two.
Vamos a jugar Claramente suenan diferentes Me quedo con el B Y sea cual sea cada uno, para mí ninguno es 5 veces mejor/peor que el otro Esperando el desenlace
@@packgrog Yes, agree. Wow. To anyone using a computer to play these. Put the files in an audio editor and setup a multitrack session where you can instantly solo one file vs the other. The more you play them in such a comparison, the difference shown is all the more impressive.
Me quedo claramente con el B, parece tener mayor escena, definición y control de graves que el A que tiene un grave retumbón y mucha sonoridad pero que parece algo más enmascarado y menos claro. Puede que el B sea el 1200G y el A el 100C. No obstante donde difieren realmente es en el tacto y las prestaciones, la sensación de calidad al manejarlos. Por experiencia.
Por otro lado hacer esta prueba en el teléfono y con unos cascos sencillos no da mucha resolución. Lo ideal sería haberlo probado en el equipo con alta resolución.
@@dani_corbelli Gracias por participar, Dani. Puedes decargar los archivos de alta resolución sin pérdida y reproducirlos en tu equipo: drive.google.com/file/d/1GPLtNgcyiVrIj9bHvaNrD3ZczkMOAvqz/view?usp=sharing
Hola, creo que prefiero A. Pero está la cosa muy igualada. En algún tema prefiero B , pero creo que A suena más “aireado” y algo mejor en general. Salud! 👍🏻
You aren't José. I downloaded the files, ploted the spectrum, and overlayed the images, and they are 99,9 % the same, and the 0.1 % difference is in the almost inaudible region. We may not hear all, but I can see pretty well.
Just using a good pair of over ear B&W headphones bluetoothed from a decent tv I think B is the G. Space and air, separation, dimensionality the give away. Curious to see the dollar difference in the rigs. Differences are slight but noticeable. Thanks for all your great content!
As I mentioned on your Facebook, the test was not fair, as the price difference is huge.
But after listening to the samples of Madonna's song, I notice that both sound very similar.
This test makes one thing clear: where the investment should be made is in the cartridge, and not in the turntable, as that is where there are clear differences with tighter price margins.
Excuse my English. I use Google Translator.
Estas demasiado equivocado, yo prefiero un Linn Sondek con un cartucho AT-95 shibata que ese SL1200 SL100 con un 2M Black
@@luisrodriguez8639 Disculpa, pero me parece que el que estás equivocado eres tú.
@@altadefinicionhd2022 Hace tiempo tenia un SL1200mk2, luego un Thorens y luego un Linn Sondek, yo se lo que hablo
@@luisrodriguez8639 Seguro que sí. Pues nada, disfruta con tu giradiscos y tu cápsula. Un saludo.
@@luisrodriguez8639Agreed i have a Linn sondek with a 60s Pickering V- 15 and it is superb
Very interesting comparison! Interesting how close they are but...
B sounds better overall. It has a wider stereo image, better definition of instruments, layers and space. The highs are a bit smoother and the lows are a tad better defined.
Thank you HiFisquarepants!
Great test , both sound fantastic , B just has it
Both sound good and the difference is subtle. But I think B sounds a bit more detailed and has better demping with better (micro) dynamics. The sound seems 'sharper', if that makes sense. Also the stereo width seems a little better on B. So my guess is B is the 1200 G. If not, than the 100C is a really great deal! 😅
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
@@HiFisquarepants Thanks for the update, I look forward to the reveal. It would be funny if we're all wrong! 😂
Both sound excellent 👏. I can't explain what but there's "something" that makes me vote for B as my favourite 😍🤩
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A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
B all the way, more detailed and spaced ❤
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
I just played "Like a Virgin" from the 24/192 samples - "A" sounds like a record. There's nothing that bad about it. "B" sounds like real music in comparison. I almost don't hear a record being played in comparison, for lack of a better phrase. Everything just comes to life better, with a wider, more open image with better depth, greater rendering of the different colors and textures, dynamics, musical cohesiveness, the rhythm tightness snap and swing, etc., and its all just more engaging. Wow. It sounds amazing...and this is from a 1980s 14 bit digital recording, though a beautifully produced and engineered one.
I hope you transferred the whole album with "B".
Thank you :) I'll record full LPs with the Umami Red ;)
This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
I used a pair of Focal Utopia 22 for this comparison and even then it was so close but B ultimately triumphed with better vocal imaging and instrument separation. While A was slightly more compressed sounding in comparison?
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
I think this a a great example of the diminishing returns of this hobby. B sounds better to me and more enjoyable to listen to, but not by much. My guess would be that B is the G and at 4 to 5 x the cost of the 100c it’s a pretty modest difference in sound. If B is the 100c, I’m buying one tomorrow!
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
A is the 100c B is the 1200g.
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
The difference is subtle, but B sounds bigger and more detailed overall. It's the most drastic in "Peaches en Regalia" -- on B you can really make out the snare drum much better than the other turntable.
Just from the first sample alone, on an M1 MacBook Air's speakers, I could tell that "B" was far smoother, deeper, and more spacious sounding. "A" sounds brighter, harsher, flatter, and more "digital" sounding. No contest, not at all subtle. Subsequent samples just confirm this.
I suspect that something like a SDS mat between platter and rubber mat on the SL100C could close the gap a bit and make the differences more subtle. Better feet could probably help as well. Assuming that both decks are using identical cable connections for this test, the biggest improvements seem bound to be mechanical. I'd be very curious how close you could get the SL100C with mods sounding to the 1200G without mods, without completely breaking the bank. That's what I've tried to do with my 1210GR and APM Achromat, Isonoe feet, and changes to torque setting (the SL100C *SHOULD* be operating by default at the lower torque setting, I believe).
Thank you for this! Extremely useful comparison.
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
B sounds better and extended on both extremes while A sounds compact and compressed in comparison.
If you let the comments show, of course everybody will say the same thing the ones before said. Nobody wants to be the only one to be "wrong".
@@nickdiba7512 It's almost like that's how people behaved during the alleged thing a few years ago 🤔
Yeah, people have to be careful with blind tests. I listened before reading the comments to make a better judgment.
I think B is the G, more impact, clarity and depth.
I cant tell them apart,, 😅.
What pick up is it?
It sounds really really good.
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Certainly B is the G
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
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Based on musicality i definitely prefer b
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B is better all the way.
B sounds fuller, but A has a more laid-back depth to the soundstage - B is better
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Not listening on the best system here but B sounds better. Edit.. Certainly on round one and two it does. The vocal on round teo really stands out. On my system, round three there's not much in it. Seems like better mids on B in round one and two.
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B is the one for me. 😅
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B its my favorite!
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@@HiFisquarepants o.k i will follow you! Love your comparison! You are the best!
I hope A is the 100C 😉
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What about Technics SL1200MK7
Vamos a jugar
Claramente suenan diferentes
Me quedo con el B
Y sea cual sea cada uno, para mí ninguno es 5 veces mejor/peor que el otro
Esperando el desenlace
Gracias por participar :) Así van las votaciones:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
Este domingo desvelaré cuál es cuál en mi canal secundario :)
Me gusta mas el B aunque en las bajas frecuencias es un poco mas debil
Gracias :D Así van las votaciones:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
It seems the playback speeds are different. B is spinning faster than A (checked the samples in audacity)
Nope...the speeds are perfectly matched.
I prefer B but it's close enough that I'm not sure it isnt placebo.
I don't think it's close at all. Sample B by a mile.
@@packgrog Yes, agree. Wow.
To anyone using a computer to play these. Put the files in an audio editor and setup a multitrack session where you can instantly solo one file vs the other. The more you play them in such a comparison, the difference shown is all the more impressive.
Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
A: 5
B: 20
No winner: 2
This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel
Me quedo claramente con el B, parece tener mayor escena, definición y control de graves que el A que tiene un grave retumbón y mucha sonoridad pero que parece algo más enmascarado y menos claro. Puede que el B sea el 1200G y el A el 100C. No obstante donde difieren realmente es en el tacto y las prestaciones, la sensación de calidad al manejarlos. Por experiencia.
Por otro lado hacer esta prueba en el teléfono y con unos cascos sencillos no da mucha resolución. Lo ideal sería haberlo probado en el equipo con alta resolución.
@@dani_corbelli Gracias por participar, Dani. Puedes decargar los archivos de alta resolución sin pérdida y reproducirlos en tu equipo: drive.google.com/file/d/1GPLtNgcyiVrIj9bHvaNrD3ZczkMOAvqz/view?usp=sharing
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Hola, creo que prefiero A. Pero está la cosa muy igualada. En algún tema prefiero B , pero creo que A suena más “aireado” y algo mejor en general.
Salud! 👍🏻
Gracias, Miguel 🙂
Yo prefiero el B. Me suena más completo y equilibrado.
I don't think I can tell the difference, I'd be happy with either.
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Thanks for all the work
B
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I prefer A, more balanced. B sounds more inconsistent, smaller & flatter. That said, i want a 1200G too !!!
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@@HiFisquarepants Can't wait !
They sound exactly the same. I must be going deaf. 😢😢
You aren't José. I downloaded the files, ploted the spectrum, and overlayed the images, and they are 99,9 % the same, and the 0.1 % difference is in the almost inaudible region. We may not hear all, but I can see pretty well.
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@@HiFisquarepants por qué no puedo ver mi comentario?
On my MacBook , A sounds better, yet, not a great system used to evaluate 😅
A=g b=c l prefer c
B is better on my system.
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A is clearer so guess thats the more expensive deck.
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En el primer round prefiero el A, luego me suenan igual ambos.
Gracias, Adri :) Dentro de un rato desvelo cuál es cuál.
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Can it play 78rpm
Yep
A is more well-rounded
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Just using a good pair of over ear B&W headphones bluetoothed from a decent tv I think B is the G. Space and air, separation, dimensionality the give away. Curious to see the dollar difference in the rigs. Differences are slight but noticeable. Thanks for all your great content!
SL-100C was 999 USD and the 1200c was 4299 USD.
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B
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