Moto Guzzi vs Honda V2
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Two motorcycles with longitudinal V2 engines. Very nice sound and very nice cafe racer bikes! Moto guzzi, Honda cx500/gl650
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I rode Guzzi 1000's ( I had 2) for 20 years. I did all the tuning because I never could find a mech in NY that new how to tune em. Very smooth and reliable.
I had no idea Guzzi engines sounded like that....oh baby!!! Now I want a V7.
I've owned two Guzzi Le Mans, an 850 and a 1000. Both had full stainless exhaust systems with a sound that would cream your pants. The big block Guzzis have a much deeper boom.
@Todd F Wright,, both my Moto Guzzi Le Mans had Staintune 'zorst systems.
Daniel D: Moto Guzzi engines have a single plate dry clutch and with the right exhaust will sound AWESOME! Here is a video with an 850 Le Mans with the LaFranconi Competizione exhausts , hear it how it roars at the 0:53 minute mark.
@@larisaidis It's actually a few seconds afterwards, but yeah!!! I miss my 850T......
It puts a smile on your face every single ride, the best value for any bike is for it to make you feel special, and the Guzzi noise does just that.
For me the Moto Guzzi's win hands down, the water cooled Honda is just too sanitised to be a serious contender.
In Germany the CX500 is colloquially known as 'Güllepumpe' (sewage pump).
But far more reliable
Guzzi all the way even though i've loved and owned 3 CX's in my time.
Both sound great....Guzzi takes it on exhaust note
All you have to do is look at Moto Guzzi's offered for sale. Only Harley, BMW, and Moto Guzzi seem to have the combination of reliability and build quality that makes each a bike that could last a lifetime. That really hold their value over the decades for that reason. True there are others like Ducati but I'm thinking big touring bikes.
There used to be a thing. Never buy a Guzzi built on a Monday or a Friday when Giovanni was recovering from a weekend hangover or after a long boozy Friday lunch. I've owned two Guzzi Le Mans, both built on a Wednesday.
maybe comparing a Bentley with an Honda civic would make more sense.
Moto Guzzi のシフトペダルの感触はかなりフニャっと感がありますね=3
それもこのMoto Guzzi の魅力の一つです♪
le son d'un bicylindre est inoubliable......👍👍👍👍👍👍👍.
The black V7 seat design is the best looking cafe racer seat with tje hump in the back following the line from the top of the tank.
I love Moto Guzzi engines...can't afford 'em, but can approximate the sound and feel with that CX/GL 650...Used to have a GL 650 Silverwing ( before it was a scooter), loved that bike... look
La Guzzi la mia preferita.😍😍😍
3:33 GREAT SOUND! --- 4:16 sounds like my lawn mower
DeltaDan pretty hardcore lawnmower you’ve got then
NO SIR, THIS TIME, GUZZI RULES
Roberto Roacho No sir, HONDA ALWAYS RULES
James Palmer OH GOD DAMN IT JUST LOOK HOW THE GUZZI LOOKS AN SOUNDS IS A BEAUTIFUL MOTORCYCLE LIKE NO OTHER .AND I DO LIKE THE CX TOO BUT NO THAT MUCH
James Palmer 3:56 that bike is perfe t
Honda decided not to destroy Moto Guzzi. Perhaps if this engine design had a larger market they would have. Don't be dumb.
@@robertoroacho6028 @ 3:56 sounded good at idle, but harsh and uncultured when revved. opposite is true @ 1:56 (unremarkable idle, sweet through the rev range).
@ 1:02 is the pick of the Guzzi's overall
Sad that Honda didn't make a 900/1100 or more version of this machine. CX1200 sport touring.
Nice compilation! Thank you!
I've owned both and the Guzzi wins on all fronts. The Honda is still a very nice bike with a lot of character and some great cafe racer versions out there, but the V50 is even better. It's 40kg lighter, has better brakes, sounds better and for me was much more reliable and enjoyable to ride.
V50 more reliable than a cx????????? That's just laughable.
ChromeFreeDisco clearly you don't know much about it, CX500 - 50 hp, 4 valves per cylinder, water cooled, double hydraulic front disc brake, 180 km/ h top speed, etc., now you say something about the SV 65.......no?
.....nothing?
M773: Do you really know or is that just your "opinion"?
Guzzi's only "win/won" because Honda let them. Honda decided it wasn't worth it to kill Moto Guzzi off for a tiny market. The Italian market would have never forgiven them.
@@scottmerrow1488 650cc maximum engine size was never enough to kill off Moto Guzzi. Not when you look at Guzzi's engineering. The trans. that plugs into the engine like a car, the simplicity of air cooling. The handling which is great throughout the entire product range. The value in a bike with a nice tube frame as opposed to stamped sheet metal welded together. Moto Guzzi is built to last unlike throw away Honda models. Try getting a dealer to work on your old Honda. Or even get parts for bikes they built 25 years ago. The salesmen will only look at you like you are strange for not letting them sell you a new one. Most important is a certain intangible that gets people hooked on Guzzi's. Which even those people struggle to put into words. No, Sorry but there is just something about a motorcycle with heritage and soul that Honda just didn't have with the CX.
Just forget the sound comparison look at the build , custom work it is just amazing hat's off ....
MY FAVORİTE AİR COOLED!
Because air does not freeze :-)
Gee what a shock. The company that stuck with v twins makes the better one. That one with straight pipes sounded great.
I have had 4 Guzzi’s..1 cx500..The CX 500 was originally designed by Handel to eventually be a turbo charged engine. It is a better design than the Guzzi..I know Guzzi has perfect primary and secondary balance. but Honda perfected the V twin by spinning the clutch in the opposite direction from the crankshaft to offset the torque reactions. They twisted the cylinders 23° to bring the intake manifolds closer together, this brought the carburetors close together to get them out of the riders way, and to allow them to be operated by a single cable on a bellcrank . this single cable system allows the carburetors to stay synchronized. Honda engine has multi valve heads. Central location on the spark plug for a better combustion, reducing the chance of premonition or detonation. behind it uses very light pushrods to activate the valves, and still has a very high red line. Using pushrods reduces the height of the heads.The Honda engine has water cooling. water cooling is 4000 times more efficient than air cooling..
refinement and reliability concerns, you have to be able to tinker with your own bike when you are in a Guzzi..They aren’t perfect. Oil pressure sensors Or one of the little nagging glitches. I put one on two of my bikes, and I have put 2 on my current Norge.. seeing that oil light come on while you’re doing 80 miles an hour is heart stopping.Start relays or another weak point on the Italian bikes. I put two of them on my V 11 sport, and 1 on my Norge.Just little nagging annoying electrical component failures. But the basic motorcycles I have never had trouble with.
The CX 500 on the other hand is not problem free either. Water pump seals are a common failure and it is a pain to access. The early CX 500s had I believe, CDI ignition. these early ignition systems made the machine difficult to start. It would be cranking the bike, and it would not fire into you let go of the starter button. It seems that the starter was robbing the electrical system/ignition system of a Knouff voltage to fire. But when you let go of the starter button, the starter draw disappears and the ignition system gets full voltage for a second . if the engine is still rotating when you let go of the starter button, the ignition will start the engine.The later CX 650 technicians were transistor ignitions and they started the engines much quicker.
I like the Honda engine better. I wish they would bring it back in a machine like the Honda pacific coast with updated suspension, fuel injection, And leave the disc brake off of the back wheel. Who needs a heavy 200 hp rear disc brake /gyro/ flywheel / unsprung mass on a motorcycle rear wheel..
Hooray! Somebody who understands that the axis if an engine is defined by the crankshaft👍. So many people call these motors transverse😡
What is the black longitudinal V-twin behind the Guzzi at about 0:35? The swing-arm looks like a Honda's.
Nice bikes! Esp. the very first one, and the one at 2:00.
At 0:37 looks like a KTM Duke.
The black Guzzi V7 is sweeeeet with those under engine tiny mufflers snnnaaaaaarrrll
I bought my last Motorcycle in 1996, a Moto Guzzi G5 with the look of an Le Mans 1...I still have it :-)
That's because they will last a lifetime with care and even if worn out are a bike worth rebuilding.
@@gregorytimmons4777 You said it...
In 1974 I acquired a Moto Guzzi 850T which I was to keep for the next twenty years. That machine was my THIRD shaft-driven machine at that stage. I never owned a CX500, although I had one as a loaner while the R100RS and M72 outfit I owned some eleven years ago was in the shop. I did have a Honda VT500E from 1984 to 1997 and, in my opinion, this was a lighter less over-engineered motorcycle than the CX.
Currently, I have a V9 Bobber (second bike) as my eighth shaft-driven motorcycle - and this one is slowly being upgraded with a series of mods as finances permit. The next upgrades include adding a centre stand, and having the OEM Moto Guzzi Rearset Kit - 2B0042735 fitted. Guzzi has shown how to meet Euro 4 standards with a modern V-Twin pushrod air-cooled engine! In some ways I prefer the standard engine sound of my V9 Bobber to the 850T but, in that, I'm relying on memory. So comparing V9 to 850T, I'm 13HP shorter down on power, have half the fuel tank capacity, but I'm also less about 50 kg in mass, have fuel injection and a shorter more-nimble ride.
1:01 Amazing idle. My favorite.
Funny, you can tell a lot about how a bike is ridden by the wear on the tires. A lot of these really nice looking bikes are ridden straight up ... No lean angle.
I own a modified guzzi 850 le mans II, a modified CX500 and my beginner bike a 1973 CB250 (so I wouldn't consider myself anti-honda) but the guzzi is clearly much more enjoyable, nicer to ride and about the looks we don't even need to talk (though the all original cb250 looks pretty nice too). In my opinion (also as an absolute amateur considering mechanics) the guzzi wins in any case, also due to it's simplicity (and in the end still has over 30HP more) - except for the price. The CX is really fun to try out things as there is quite a huge aftermarket and things are really cheap. So a really cool bike to learn modding on. On contrary the guzzi is really expensive and there's just a very specialized aftermarket with pretty expensive (but beautiful tho) parts. If i needed to sell one of the 3 it would be the CX.
Very good example of guzzi cafe style.
Moto Guzzi have great exhaust sound and I like the body,I think I choose Moto Guzzi
I have a basic problem with water cooled bikes, you have a built in obslescence risk when the pump fails or the radiator gets firred up. The Guzzi is Air Cooled... reducing a large long term maintenance problem.
You have a basic problem indeed. The cx was one of the most long term reliable bikes ever made. When I was a courier in London they were the bike of choice for many just because they were so reliable. Almost nobody despatched on Guzzis because although they were lovely to ride they just didn't survive day after day hard riding.
Garsh! I'm sure glad there aint no water cooled airplanes out there
And.... thank heavens car engines are all air cooled..... thus reducing a large long term maintenance problem.
What long term lack of reliability? What planet do you live on?
Oldbatwit he lives on planet GAY! when he say long term he means some scholong!
The SP GUZZI Sounds like a '67 ford 289 V8.
A bit of truth in that. I read an article about the original 850 Le Mans how it sounded like someone sliced two cylinders off a V8 and planted them into a motorcycle frame. I've owned two Guzzi Le Mans and nothing sounds as good, especially when they come on song at about 6000rpm.
Love my Guzzi. Go and buy a second hand V7. They are cheap and reliable plus very easy to work on if you like doing that. Not top in their class at anything but puts a smile on my face every time i ride it. Great bike to own.
How can you compare a big Guzzi with a plastic maggot, having ridden cx’s for a living,amongst others and a Spada about the only similarities are both are shaft driven v twin four strokes. The Spada lived in the underground car park for the50 mile commute into London and only used, workwise, for long motorway jobs and the journey home. Now if you had compared the V50 with the CX that would have been different, and yes I had a V50 for a year until it was stolen, it would have given different opinions. I loved the Spada with its lazy engine and several times sat at 90 plus smoking in comfort behind the lovely fairing. Not the fasted bike but great to ride for long distances. No numb bum or aching wrists after a long journey.
One has to smile at the fashion of having a large hole under the seat where the battery should be, with the battery relocated to being under the swing arm where it will get covered in road crud, fail prematurely and be an absolute pain to access and service. Additionally the under seat area should be used for storage of gloves, tools and oily rags. It's all a rum do I tell you.
James Rindley if you are stupid enough to put the battery under the bike is your business, my battery is under the rear hump of my beautifully done CX so talk for your self because not all the bikes are made the same!!
A very nice collection!
Love the guzzi.The Honda motors were bullet proof
Guzzi Guzzi Guzzi
my favorite moto guzzi!
Why your channel named "jawa" are you riding jawa or you are jawanese?
Thanks, so really nice bikes!
It depends on the exhaust system. Guzzi may have the better sound, but Hondas are faster and accelerate better.
And last forever. Guzzi only survived because Honda decided this niche wasn't worth appropriating.
Oh I don't know mate, even a dirty old mk3 hitting 100km in 2.8 seconds.
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Guzzi every day any time anywhere. Classic bikes.. Best sound.. And better style.
Moto Guzzi win!
Sounds like they have different crankshaft spacing of the connecting rods
I believe they do. Guzzi's have a shared (simese) crank pin. Judging by the fore/aft spacing of the cylinders, I believe the Honda's a staggered layout. But I could be wrong. :-):-):-)
A great sounding Honda only matches an average sounding Goose. If you want a top shelf note that resonates deep inside, then Gootsie it is.
The Guzzi is the nicest of all V twins. The V twin Honda doesn't come close.
4,40 headphones god dam you .deafened me nicely though
Well i think Guzzi is beautiful and classy can't tell about reliability or performance have never rode one, although i own a HD, just bought a GL500 transformed into cafe racer and is so very nice looking bike and delivers great riding emotions (not the most powerful ones but brings tons of fun) but obviously understanding why people use to call cx and gl500 "poor mans Guzzi" those cx500 are not the best examples of a fine Cafe racer work.
Guzzi mon amour.
Guzzi x Lafranconi: a marriage made in heaven
Why does the guy driving the Guzzi drag his feet like a beginner?
never owned a guzzi but i love my honda86 xl250r!
You didn't have the cash for a Guzzi?
Guzzi 👍🏼
The Hondas look more customized to me, I say Honda (and I learned to ride on a Guzzi).
When you have finished "playing" with those machines then you can actually ride them.
Le Guzzi .....so' nata cos' , un' chiu' bell' e nat' !
So it's Guzzi vs Honda
BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Oh.......YOU'RE SERIOUS?!?!
Guzzi. Especially the one at 3:30
the engine block of the honda, if something goes wrong you can use it as an anchor for your boat, while te guzzi's is eternal repairable, you can change cilinders, timing chain crank bearings in no time! everything is accessable (and has cooler looks aswel!)
That's not longitudinal, but transverse! and of course those Guzzis are much, much more desirable! That Honda was a dispatch riders mount!
My buddy had the Honda. It was cool but it did nothing well?
No wonder germans call the cx "güllepumpe" (slurry pump)
I got a guzzi no idea they sound that good. You don't really hear them when you are out and about on it
I wouldn't mind a 1976 MotoGuzzi LeMans bit will always take a Honda 1st as their build quality is 2nd to none.
Nice bikes all round. For all their beauty though, riding bikes like these is crippling.
The Hondas sound like someone farting in the bathtub.....
Guzzi sounds and looks better than the Honda. My money is on Moto Guzzi.
I've not owned one but have rode my cousin's a lot. Very nice machine. His was a 1969 model. I dolike the new Eldorados.
Craig Pennington money?, what money?, you don't have any!, have you ever ride a CX? no you only ride your cousin bike so shut the fuck up!
Carlo, you're just a Douche!
Der junge Mann hat seinen Auspuff verloren
Guzzi
I like Guzzi's but lets be real. MOTO GUZZI only survived because Honda decided that it's niche market wasn't worth appropriating. Maybe Honda had sentimental reasons as well.
I really doubt Guzzi only survives because Honda gave up on a configuration they never took past 650cc.
CX500 handles dreadfully...Guzzi for me anyday!
Scrubbed tires and scraped footpegs does not mean bike handles . Rode CX's in early eighty's could scrape pegs and scrub tires but not best handling even then it felt like had hinge in middle . Was ok then as not really much torque or power from engine to upset it . Not in same league as some thing like 80's guzzi
Been on the CX650 was not really impressed not really much better than 500 pretty gutless still never been on turbo though .Test rode le mans found it lot better but the CX was built cheaply really , lot of frame was cheap pressed steel .Yes engine was pretty damm reliable apart from early cam chain tensioner but had no low end grunt really for a 500 twin . They were built as cheap dispatch riders bike really and not really a fun bike to ride and looked pig ugly in original form .They were safe and predictable handling but certainly not good handling even by 80's standards .Guzzis then were fun and good handling imo looked good but let down by dodgy electrics finish and required more maintenance than Honda
Sound moto guzzi
Quality HONDA 😘
One's a toy, one's a machine...
Die Hondas klingen auch gut, aber ein wenig wie Nähmaschinen. Ich bleib lieber bei meinen Guzzis
No comparison!
Ronca mais legal que a BMW.
no comparison really.....honda does not live up
I don't believe in reving a motor not under a load....
Guzzi rules
Cant really compare guzzi to plastic maggot lol . Yes CX was good bike did have its fair share of mechanical problems though .There are some nice cx customs but only really trying to imitate guzzi on the cheap
Is there really a contest? Looks wise they kinda look the same, sounds wise there's no contest, LE Guzzi all the wat baby. Top end though I think the Hondas have it, but torque is pants, so so sluggish...my 2 cents anyway. ;)
Those guzzi idle like you shake a 5 gallon steel can with 10 hammer in it.
You mean no caparison . Well I guess it's just me but this like comparing a D K W k 800 to a honda lead wing . The honda got no soul and very little class. Guzzi is the clear winner far and away a better machine.
Guzzi at all
Guzzi v7 mitica
The CX500 engine is much older than the guzzi... And still much more reliable than the newer guzzi ones!
No its not
Cassandra compared with some of the bikes in the video, it is. Guzzi engine has evolved through the years, the Honda was discontinued long ago. About reliability, the mechanical part of the guzzi isn't bad, but they still have some electrical issues. And I do love guzzis!
Yeah Guzzi is older... but CX/GL is a solid, dependable engine. I have one with 65k miles and counting.
whisperdancer
It is true that there are some newer Moto guzzi's in the video the (V7) and a (leman sport) but there is also a leman 850 which is the same year or not older than honda's cx 500
Geez, you don't know what you are talking about! Check your facts and eat your words.
2 wheeled cars
Honda
Pcx
Honda in comparison lmfao !!! No way
I laugh at all these so called cafe racers people are building out of old despatch rider bikes, because that's all the CX was good for, an over weight top heavy ugly slug.
Know as the plastic maggot in the UK early ones were notoriously unreliable with camshaft and cam chain issues.
Ummm... NO... The CX/GL were quite reliable bikes. And were modern 4 valve per cylinder and watercooled, and made 50Hp from 500cc. That's on par with everything 2017 makes. Unreliable? Why because you are supposed to change a cam chain every 50k miles? Big deal. I have a naked 1981 GL500 that I bought for $400, done normal maintenance stuff on and have gone over 20k miles on it. It now has 65k miles. Just needs oil, brakes, tires, fork seals, and a couple cables. I just took it on a 600 mile round trip ride a week ago. Most dependable bike I've ever had. Much better than this newer Yamaha sport bike I have. POS needs something done to it every other month and only at 27k miles now. So I'm fixing it one last time and posting it for sale.
The 1978 CX's where recalled to have the cam chain tensioner replaced as they would fail.
I also prefer the older bikes as they can be worked on without a high tech workshop and a computer system.
Steven Kirk well thats just shows you dont know jack shit
Steven Kirk well said
Is that right, 30+ years as a bike mechanic and i know jack shit !
www.motomucci.com/blog//2012/03/aftercx500-common-issues.html
They both sound bloody awfull why ruin good bikes
Honda !!!
Pahahahah, you'll get over your first buys eventually, and when you do, the purest vintages stand out by a long way ;)